posted August 11, 2018 05:57 PM            

I have posted it once before, but did not ask for your feedback specifically, so, I am now, and I am hoping you could shed some light on the nature of our bizarre attraction, and if you see anything bad, or good, and how he feels? I pray you say as much as you can, because since 2016, this person's mere existence has been driving me crazy and haunting me, and I've been trying to push it out, to no avail. My own feelings still make me feel ill sometimes. It is hard to describe. I guess I want some kind of closure. Should I do anything? Is there anything to do? Should I keep working on forcing this person out of my head? Or not? I'm not saying you should tell me what to do, just, what facts can you see that could help me decide? Maybe there is something that I need to hear. I would very much like your perspective, if you'll kindly share? Thank you.

posted August 12, 2018 06:26 PM            

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posted August 13, 2018 03:41 PM            

That stellium in the 5th with eros/venus/pluto/sun looks divine and Mars conjunct Jupiter with Neptune in the 7th! OH GOD.

posted August 14, 2018 03:42 PM            

the southnode is conjunct to themars/venus midpoint plus psyche is square the node and the eros/psyche midpointis conjunct to Saturn, so you are dealing wit a very romantic and idealistc realtioship. there are strong emotional/physical/sexual attraction and a almost spiritual emotional attraction also.
I think the obsessive qualities you feel may be associate with the midpoint of the moon/Saturn square conjunct the vertex. any time the vertex comes into play there is a other worldly attraction or some sort of karmic feeling. here the connecting energies are Saturn and the moon which gives insights to the potential for emotional openness and devotion.the midpoint if satrun/moon is conjunct to psyche which is square the ndoe. this adds to the obsessive feelings as this can give deep devotional feelings. the satrun/moon square is rather large so I would think these feelings of fidelity are real.

on the other hand aspects which work against this relationship aree the juno/Jupiter midpoint square to urnaus and the mars/Neptune square.

juno/Jupiter/Uranus bodes instability and sudden breakup in relationships and often the need for emotional freedom and independence takes precedence.

mars square to Neptune usually is a sign that he is not loyal and often as a hidden outside relationship going on.as Jupiter is also square to Neptune, a element of deception is also presence. here e may have told you what you wanted to hear about the potential for a long term commitment in order to establish a sexual connection with you, the sexual chemistry is very strong.so I kinda of think he is playing two sides of the fence with you.
that is not to say that you nad he don't have a very nice social.emotional abvience between you. with vensu /Eros/sun stellium trine the moon and sextile to Neptune on the descendant ,there is a very sensitive and emotionally attractive feeling when you are together.neptune can be so soothing and sensitive.
but with mercury/sun/Pluto forming a stellium,there seems to be a basic block of expressing your thoughts with each other. this could be what you mentioned about his baggage as this aspect block deep and honest conversation.

the relationship promises so much but there seems to be counter point for every favorable aspect with a unfavorable aspect .

I just think there are too many negative aspects.particularly Jupiter square to Neptune which shows a basic deception and the Juno/Jupiter midpoint square to Uranus which shows a sudden breakup.

the transiting node has square to the composite pluto starting at the end of may and becoming exact in the beginning of june. this transit is most often one of distance and sometimes breakup. as the node approaches a square to the composite sun,in late august, I would expect this period to be one of estrangement .

posted August 15, 2018 04:02 AM            

before May the Transit n.node was trine our composite Saturn and those were good days indeed. But Square to our Composite Moon, and that was, well, emotionally rocky.

posted August 15, 2018 10:22 AM            

I do have issues trusting this person. We've known each other quite a long time, but nothing has happened, and I am reluctant to do anything, even if my insane, obsessive feelings nag at me. But what I do know, at least 99%, is that he is not the type to cheat, so that's one blessing, that "if" something were to happen, he wouldn't keep a lady on the side.

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the satrun/moon square is rather large so I would think these feelings of fidelity are real.

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So far so good. First you say this, but then ->

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mars square to Neptune usually is a sign that he is not loyal

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So we've got these two conflicting placements, but which one is strongest, and which one counts more? How does one consolidate these two contradictions?

Do you think that there is anything that could indicate how best to go about solving issues with this person? And hypothetically speaking, if some issues were overcome, could it be worth it, as in lead to genuine depth, communication, devotion and emotion wise?

@Hypa

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posted August 15, 2018 03:42 PM            

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First off, I'd like to say a big thank you for taking the time to look at the chart. I am super, super grateful! <3

I do have issues trusting this person. We've known each other quite a long time, but nothing has happened, and I am reluctant to do anything, even if my insane, obsessive feelings nag at me. But what I do know, at least 99%, is that he is not the type to cheat, so that's one blessing, that "if" something were to happen, he wouldn't keep a lady on the side.

:* <3 (<- that's the more ;D )

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hi again,

those are contradictory impulses it is true. but the defining aspects that make me skeptical are:

"on the other hand aspects which work against this relationship aree the juno/Jupiter midpoint square to Uranus and the mars/Neptune square.

juno/Jupiter/Uranus bodes instability and sudden breakup in relationships and often the need for emotional freedom and independence takes precedence."

this implies to me the relationship will not sustain itself, and so a contributing reason is likely to be the mars/Neptune square. even without a mars/Neptune square these two patterns are overwhelmingly indicative of a breakup.

I suggest you flat out ask him if he has been unfaithful and he go with your gut feelings to his response.

todd

posted August 15, 2018 03:51 PM            

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I suggest you flat out ask him if he has been unfaithful and he go with your gut feelings to his response.

todd

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posted August 15, 2018 03:56 PM            

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I do have issues trusting this person. We've known each other quite a long time, but nothing has happened, and I am reluctant to do anything, even if my insane, obsessive feelings nag at me. But what I do know, at least 99%, is that he is not the type to cheat, so that's one blessing, that "if" something were to happen, he wouldn't keep a lady on the side.

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If you want another opinion on the Moon/Saturn vs. Mars/Neptune debate, my findings have been Moon/Saturn doesn't necessarily translate into SEXUAL devotion, but more emotional devotion. In what I've seen it adds that "for better or worse" dynamic in that, even if the relationship is negative or draining otherwise, you still keep hanging on. Even in couples that have actually broken up, there is that lingering feeling of you will never ever completely forget them.

Mars/Neptune I have seen at the very least to be an aspect of deception. One long-term couple I know with this aspect in their composite - the man is one to, on occasion, go out with his friends and go into the back room of a strip club and make everyone swear they won't say anything about it (so his wife doesn't find out). He is a devoted family man otherwise, but there is that hidden wild streak he would prefer his wife to not know about (for obvious reasons). Harmless as this may be in the big picture, I also don't know him that intimately to say for sure that he won't someday have a full-blown affair.

Remember, life is long...and just because you believe it to be impossible RIGHT NOW doesn't mean it is impossible forever. If you are thinking of marrying this person and spending 30-40+ years with them, there is a lot of time for things to change and evolve.

All you can do, like Todd says, is follow your gut instincts and make the best decision possible.

Edit to add: I'm also a firm believer that a composite doesn't truly take effect until a relationship has been established. So if we are speaking only hypothetically I would say...give it a real-life chance at least because you wouldn't want to base your decision off speculation.

posted August 15, 2018 04:18 PM            

As someone who has been unfaithful I will tell you that I don't have any aspects in synastry or composite or davison between mars and neptune with the person I have been unfaithful to except for his Neptune widely trines my Mars by 4d4 and a little bit more tightly my Venus.

With my ex I was faithful to him and his mars/valentine conjuncts my Neptune/pyramus on the AC at the Galactic Center but I didn't last with him a decade but I had zero desire to be unfaithful to him, zero, he met my physical and emotional needs very VERY well, he was intense and romantic like me and had a high sex drive like me (this IMO says more about infidelity or fidelity than anything, are you two truly a great fit physically and emotionally? and are you really in love?). His Neptune trined by about 3 degrees my Mars and my venus by about 2d.

posted August 15, 2018 05:05 PM            

I agree with this observation but here the mars/Venus midpoint is conjunct the south node and square to the Saturn/moon midpoint which would in this instance suggests the devotion is also sexual.
todd

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If you want another opinion on the In what I've seen it adds that "for better or worse" dynamic in that, even if the relationship is negative or draining otherwise, you still Moon/Saturn vs. Mars/Neptune debate, my findings have been Moon/Saturn doesn't necessarily translate into SEXUAL devotion, but more emotional devotion. keep hanging on. Even in couples that have actually broken up, there is that lingering feeling of you will never ever completely forget them.

Mars/Neptune I have seen at the very least to be an aspect of deception. One long-term couple I know with this aspect in their composite - the man is one to, on occasion, go out with his friends and go into the back room of a strip club and make everyone swear they won't say anything about it (so his wife doesn't find out). He is a devoted family man otherwise, but there is that hidden wild streak he would prefer his wife to not know about (for obvious reasons). Harmless as this may be in the big picture, I also don't know him that intimately to say for sure that he won't someday have a full-blown affair.

Remember, life is long...and just because you believe it to be impossible RIGHT NOW doesn't mean it is impossible forever. If you are thinking of marrying this person and spending 30-40+ years with them, there is a lot of time for things to change and evolve.

All you can do, like Todd says, is follow your gut instincts and make the best decision possible.

Edit to add: I'm also a firm believer that a composite doesn't truly take effect until a relationship has been established. So if we are speaking only hypothetically I would say...give it a real-life chance at least because you wouldn't want to base your decision off speculation.

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posted August 16, 2018 08:25 AM            

My composite chart with my "crush" is alike your when it comes to some of the aspects. We too are not involved romantically, but I'm obsessed with him and I try to end things I have for him emotionally. Because the obsession has made me super moody, even depressed. I'm abcent minded, forget things, have anxiety that have led to mild depression with apitite loss, weigh loss, even a traffic accident when I was thinking about him!
And I just do not function well at all.

Its so complicated and also it would be a mess if I started elaborating so, to save you from reading my all over sobby messy text, in short we have the exact same:

Mars-Jupiter conjunction. Mars in pisces 29 and jupiter in aries 2 degrees so its tight. But they are in 10th house.

We have lots and lots of t-squares involving thise.

And also as in your case them Jupite-Mars is squaring neptune and uranus!
Netune is in 7th house like yours is along with 3 other planets.

Now, he himself has Neptune conj Mars in his chart, so maybe thats something HE brings into the compiste who knows.

He is not the infidel type, he is flirty though. And he seem to go back and forth with his ex, not sure yet.

I see it more like, we have very different view on religion. I'm religious, he is not. But he is openminded and likes to ask and listen and learn about it. We are from different cultures but very open to each other, so it may be how the neptune-jupiter thing plays out?

Anyways not wanna drag my post out.

Yes that uranus square seem to play out for us. Break ups, due to external conditions. Long periods of not seeing each other, and then long periods of working together. (We are uni students)

Also the need to emotional freedom, but I think bc its so hard on us all the emotions and we need room to breath.

Saturn is though trining Jupiter-Mars and we do have an exact applying trine between venus and moon and neptune etc, so there is redeeming qualities absolutely.

posted August 16, 2018 02:14 PM            

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I did wait for your answer to todd before I wrote this Lala

My composite chart with my "crush" is alike your when it comes to some of the aspects. We too are not involved romantically, but I'm obsessed with him and I try to end things I have for him emotionally. Because the obsession has made me super moody, even depressed. I'm abcent minded, forget things, have anxiety that have led to mild depression with apitite loss, weigh loss, even a traffic accident when I was thinking about him!
And I just do not function well at all.

Its so complicated and also it would be a mess if I started elaborating so, to save you from reading my all over sobby messy text, in short we have the exact same:

Mars-Jupiter conjunction. Mars in pisces 29 and jupiter in aries 2 degrees so its tight. But they are in 10th house.

We have lots and lots of t-squares involving thise.

And also as in your case them Jupite-Mars is squaring neptune and uranus!
Netune is in 7th house like yours is along with 3 other planets.

Now, he himself has Neptune conj Mars in his chart, so maybe thats something HE brings into the compiste who knows.

He is not the infidel type, he is flirty though. And he seem to go back and forth with his ex, not sure yet.

I see it more like, we have very different view on religion. I'm religious, he is not. But he is openminded and likes to ask and listen and learn about it. We are from different cultures but very open to each other, so it may be how the neptune-jupiter thing plays out?

Anyways not wanna drag my post out.

Yes that uranus square seem to play out for us. Break ups, due to external conditions. Long periods of not seeing each other, and then long periods of working together. (We are uni students)

Also the need to emotional freedom, but I think bc its so hard on us all the emotions and we need room to breath.

Saturn is though trining Jupiter-Mars and we do have an exact applying trine between venus and moon and neptune etc, so there is redeeming qualities absolutely.

I'm curious about your Davison chart? How does that one look? Just to see if its similar themes between both your charts^^

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before commenting on your ndoe dyanics, I think that you should post the composite because any aspects to the node and other planets can are very important . the node will energize all aspects not just th eons you are focused on.

unfortunately there are no books that really give the complete picture of the node.

it is somewhat of a conspiracy to by the astrological establishment to keep the real relevance and breath of the node censored.
usually discussion of the node centers on past and future growth /karma, which is not incorrect but this limited scope omits about 90% of the nodes actually power/relevance in a chart.

I have a thread about the node here at linda land http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000338.html

and the same but longer thread at
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=472743#post472743

todd

posted August 16, 2018 04:11 PM            

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I love this Will Smith Video (Fault Versus Responsibility): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USsqkd-E9ag

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As usual, you are wise. And I guess that's the crux of the issue. With everyone I've ever been with, I always "knew" how it would, or could turn out, so I wasn't so worried whenever we got together. It's like I saw the end of the story before it happened, on some level, and I knew I was ready to handle whatever came. But with this one? Super uncertainty.
I try to avoid thinking about this person, by being with others, but whenever they are near me, or touch me, I imagine HIM. I see HIM. I can't even seem to enjoy anyone else.

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Mars/Neptune I have seen at the very least to be an aspect of deception. One long-term couple I know with this aspect in their composite - the man is one to, on occasion, go out with his friends and go into the back room of a strip club and make everyone swear they won't say anything about it (so his wife doesn't find out).

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Thank you for your feedback here. It adds some more clarity, <3.
And in a way you are somewhat right. I am not worried about him going out with his friends to strip clubs. That's out of the question for him (trust me). However, you are spot on, in that there IS some kind of deception going on, and my intuition feels this, but cannot pinpoint it. It is due to some kind of shame, I guess. You see, I would not mind if someone straight up honestly told me they wanted to see strippers, or whatever fetish or fantasy they've got. If he's hiding, or would hide something, my guess is it would involve shame. These are things that make me hesitate. What is he hiding? What is he being deceptive about? There feels to be something wrong, somewhere, but I have no idea the source. When one is trying to hide something, we cannot simply ask. So what is he hiding? That eats at me.

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That is a good reminder. I should keep that in mind.

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I am afraid to. I am not afraid of rejection, and I have a very strong feeling he wouldn't reject me. But there is something about him that is a big scary to me. I do not know why. It's not ONLY love. But it's like that feeling you get before something potentially bad happens, and I wonder if I am just paranoid, or misinterpreting my own feelings.

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IDK but since mars is conjunct jupiter in the 4th (home life) and neptune is in the 7th I don't think this necessarily means infidelity. It could just mean a highly spiritual and idealistic union, high ideals around the home and the relationship itself. With neptune in the 7th I feel faith will be an important theme in your relationship, faith in the love you have for each other, faith you can overcome all odds together etc...Perhaps you two will be active members of your church even as a couple.

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Also the need to emotional freedom, but I think bc its so hard on us all the emotions and we need room to breath.

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posted August 16, 2018 05:15 PM            

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[QUOTE]As usual, you are wise. And I guess that's the crux of the issue. With everyone I've ever been with, I always "knew" how it would, or could turn out, so I wasn't so worried whenever we got together. It's like I saw the end of the story before it happened, on some level, and I knew I was ready to handle whatever came. But with this one? Super uncertainty.
I try to avoid thinking about this person, by being with others, but whenever they are near me, or touch me, I imagine HIM. I see HIM. I can't even seem to enjoy anyone else.

That's a very positive interpretation, and you could be very right. And interestingly, he is someone who's religious and likes spiritual practices. Not in a "burn witches way", but he is generally a bit religious.

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Girl you are in love, not surprised with that composite!

I am the same, I can tell when I meet a guy what I am getting myself into usually, I am the type that knows what she has or is getting involved with, is our moon in pisces intuition probably.

Neptune is the higher octave of Venus after all, I feel that Neptune gets more negative focus than positive even though its the higher octave of Venus which is confusing. Like yes there is potential for deception but Neptune also means potential for true unconditional love!!!!!!!! But yet we focus more on the potential for deception than the possibility that you might have found true unconditional love and the truth is everyone lies at some point or to avoid getting in trouble. I don't buy for a minute there is a human being on this earth who has never lied, I almost think lying exists bc is an adaptive trait, those who have lied did not get killed and survived long enough to pass down their genes.

BUT in the discovery chart Neptune has Mercury conjunct Lie by 3 degrees and Mercury Sextile TRUTH by 2 degrees.

^How do you interpret that? The conjunction is stronger than the sextile but this is how I look at it....if you want the truth it is there for you to see it but not everyone wants to see the truth or can handle the truth but if you want the truth and can handle it is there you just have to reach out for it hence the sextile to Truth..this is my opinion and I feel Neptune's discovery chart shows this in how Lie and Truth are aspected with Mercury.

posted August 17, 2018 09:28 AM            

Also as a religious spiritual person, nothing is lasting, the only lasting thing is ones creator and the love of the creator. In my belief, our souls are longing to get back to ones creator. Unconditional love etc. But we direct that longing and energy to “love intrests”. People talk about “when neptunes fof wears off the prince is a frog.” No the neptune fog does not wear off, there is no fog, its just your soul who once again realises, the love is missdirected, the person is a mere mortal. And it should not be disappointing, it just means you can distinguish what is what, now when all the love drugs in your brain has weared of. After that you can accept the “frog” and build something reliable and lasting. Ok enough spiritual talk from my side now

Why neptune equals lie I don’t get really. Not even pluto is treated this way, people have respect for pluto, bc he will uncover hidden things. The ways he goes about wont make people be like “oh its such a hirrible planet”. no they have respect.

Also I’m not trying to disregard years of composite knowledge! If neptune contacs may be bad in a composite so be it, I’m not trying to talk against it or deny it!

I just wish neptune was treated with more respect and love and... omg I’m hit with that insight just niw! The irony of this matter, so ironic! Thats what neptune is longing for in the first place! Unconditional love and some respect, and we are treating it like “he is a deviever and lier!”

aww poor Neptune! So missunderstood and sad haha. (sad laughing!)

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I red you post and meant to reply but time slipped away.

before commenting on your ndoe dyanics, I think that you should post the composite because any aspects to the node and other planets can are very important . the node will energize all aspects not just th eons you are focused on.

unfortunately there are no books that really give the complete picture of the node.

it is somewhat of a conspiracy to by the astrological establishment to keep the real relevance and breath of the node censored.
usually discussion of the node centers on past and future growth /karma, which is not incorrect but this limited scope omits about 90% of the nodes actually power/relevance in a chart.

I have a thread about the node here at linda land http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000338.html

and the same but longer thread at
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=472743#post472743

todd

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Thank you so much Todd for your reply!

Yes N.node seems so mystical and as you said, hard to find forward direct info about it. I would really love buying your works if you were to write them down somehow! I will read up on the links you linked thank you!

I have so far read just a few things that that resonates with me about the nodes. I had to go to vedic astrology for some of them.

I don't believe in past lifes so thats that. One soul, one body, one life, then death and resurrection.

I have read, n.node, the head of the dragon, is like a hungry hungry dragon. Since its just the head, it never gets enough, it will have more and more. Some thinks its to be aliken Pluto!