posted October 11, 2018 11:06 AM            

Analyzing the charts can be helpful but I think ultimately, no matter what they say, marriages that survive in today's fast moving world are between two people that genuinely LIKE each other and have a deep level of respect for one another, beyond that attachment and commitment you feel. If you enjoy hanging out with that person, wouldn't you want to keep hanging out with them? Kind of like a best friend? Someone who you can ride through the hard times with but still come out laughing on the other side? Someone who has similar life goals and life path and wants to do it all with you by their side? Someone whose opinion and input you value and you trust they have your best interest at heart and vice versa? These things and more I think are what keep people together. They can even help you through the sexual slumps (which every couple experiences) or even beyond that when it starts to wane as you age.

posted October 11, 2018 03:38 PM            

I agree with Marg on that.

People can even be in love with one and other, and not work out. Love doesn't always even guarantee, either.

Staying together is as much a choice as it is a need for the right mixture of EVERYTHING - love, resources, compatibility, just the right amount of friction, well matched life path or soul path of another, respect, and so on.

posted October 18, 2018 12:49 PM            

Yes, today's fast moving world and the way online dating and apps have given people too many options to pursue have made them very non-commital in general compared to years past. The planets only work their energies through the funnel of the real world. In other words aspects only work within the rules of the time and place of the reality you live in. If you happened to have the same chart you do now but were alive in France in the 1800's, the results of those exact same aspects would give completely different results then having that same chart in Russia in the year 2000. A Saturn aspect 30 years ago had way more binding power because 30 years ago there was no dating technology. You met the few people you met in real life so you bonded with one or two people... today you can "meet" hundreds of potential partners online so people don't bond as much and would rather hold out and wait for something "better" that "might" pop up on their screen later. Saturn aspects that would've led to marriage 20 years ago too often only lead to a semi-long dating term in today's world. The planets work their energies through the funnel of the material world as it is.

Mars conjunct Moon is a very strong Sexual synastry aspect, BUT if the two people involved are of the same sex and heterosexual then it does NOT result in a strong sexual attraction at all. Instead it tends to result in a bit of a contentious relationship. Why? Because the real world has these two people as attracted to the opposite sex not their own sex. Therefore the energy of this conjunction is filtered through that material reality and the ultimate result of the aspect comes out differently due to the filtration.

Lets say this synastry of Moon conj Mars occurs between two homosexuals IN THE YEAR 1800. Well the sexual attraction would be there, BUT it probably wouldn't express itself. Instead it would probably express itself as annoyance and contention between the two because many homosexuals back then didn't even understand their own sexuality or that they "could" be gay. So after being filtered through their material biological reality this same aspect expresses itself completely differently than it would in today's world.

posted October 18, 2018 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
" I even have personal experience with long-term relationships with either Moon-Saturn or Sun-Saturn that still ended (for reasons nothing to do with synastry)."

Yes, today's fast moving world and the way online dating and apps have given people too many options to pursue have made them very non-commital in general compared to years past. The planets only work their energies through the funnel of the real world. In other words aspects only work within the rules of the time and place of the reality you live in. If you happened to have the same chart you do now but were alive in France in the 1800's, the results of those exact same aspects would give completely different results then having that same chart in Russia in the year 2000. A Saturn aspect 30 years ago had way more binding power because 30 years ago there was no dating technology. You met the few people you met in real life so you bonded with one or two people... today you can "meet" hundreds of potential partners online so people don't bond as much and would rather hold out and wait for something "better" that "might" pop up on their screen later. Saturn aspects that would've led to marriage 20 years ago too often only lead to a semi-long dating term in today's world. The planets work their energies through the funnel of the material world as it is.

Mars conjunct Moon is a very strong Sexual synastry aspect, BUT if the two people involved are of the same sex and heterosexual then it does NOT result in a strong sexual attraction at all. Instead it tends to result in a bit of a contentious relationship. Why? Because the real world has these two people as attracted to the opposite sex not their own sex. Therefore the energy of this conjunction is filtered through that material reality and the ultimate result of the aspect comes out differently due to the filtration.

Lets say this synastry of Moon conj Mars occurs between two homosexuals IN THE YEAR 1800. Well the sexual attraction would be there, BUT it probably wouldn't express itself. Instead it would probably express itself as annoyance and contention between the two because many homosexuals back then didn't even understand their own sexuality or that they "could" be gay. So after being filtered through their material biological reality this same aspect expresses itself completely differently than it would in today's world.

Conclusion: Don't think that just because you and your SO today have a similar synastry than a happily married couple that got married 20 years ago- that you two are now going to end up with the same long happy marriage. Today's world filters out these same planetary energies differently and you have to both put more effort into making a relationship work today than people did back then.

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posted October 18, 2018 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
This is interesting thanks for sharing. I often wonder how these aspects would play out between two people of the same sex. I guess it would be sexual attraction. If they are into each other.

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i have a frend who has his mars conjunct my moon (our ascendant and descendant axis is exactly flipped and he has an aries mars 1st house exactly opposite my libra venus/ascendant)

we cant help but flirt and feel comfortable with each other and if distance was a non issue he'd probably be third and id be done with my fwbs

that being said societal rules and conditions dont often dictate what most people do, just what they talk about... people in the past also acted on strong synastry

that all being said

heree's the synastry i have with my fiancee

https://m.imgur.com/a/MCJ6jIv

we're both 32, got together before we graduated hs met at 12, started getting close at 14, and we've lived together 13 years

planning to spend my life with her, and we've been through a lot of hard stuff together, where us loving each other in spite of everything has kept us from walking away because honestly even with love sometimes staying is harder

and i still love her like i did then, more in some ways

we're still sexually active near daily (everyone has low points in a ltr with that sort of thing ours has never lasted very long, and we've been lucky with that... those sorts of lows really **** with intimacy it seems)

so not traditional, but she knows i'd be there through anything always

i think the idea that synastry went further in the past is likely untrue, probably more just that the shows people put on to fit unrealistic social standards were stronger at those points so on the surface people see a relationship thats "lasted" but is functionally and intimately dead in reality and not much of a relationship anyway

posted November 03, 2018 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
" I even have personal experience with long-term relationships with either Moon-Saturn or Sun-Saturn that still ended (for reasons nothing to do with synastry)."

Yes, today's fast moving world and the way online dating and apps have given people too many options to pursue have made them very non-commital in general compared to years past. The planets only work their energies through the funnel of the real world. In other words aspects only work within the rules of the time and place of the reality you live in. If you happened to have the same chart you do now but were alive in France in the 1800's, the results of those exact same aspects would give completely different results then having that same chart in Russia in the year 2000. A Saturn aspect 30 years ago had way more binding power because 30 years ago there was no dating technology. You met the few people you met in real life so you bonded with one or two people... today you can "meet" hundreds of potential partners online so people don't bond as much and would rather hold out and wait for something "better" that "might" pop up on their screen later. Saturn aspects that would've led to marriage 20 years ago too often only lead to a semi-long dating term in today's world. The planets work their energies through the funnel of the material world as it is.

Mars conjunct Moon is a very strong Sexual synastry aspect, BUT if the two people involved are of the same sex and heterosexual then it does NOT result in a strong sexual attraction at all. Instead it tends to result in a bit of a contentious relationship. Why? Because the real world has these two people as attracted to the opposite sex not their own sex. Therefore the energy of this conjunction is filtered through that material reality and the ultimate result of the aspect comes out differently due to the filtration.

Lets say this synastry of Moon conj Mars occurs between two homosexuals IN THE YEAR 1800. Well the sexual attraction would be there, BUT it probably wouldn't express itself. Instead it would probably express itself as annoyance and contention between the two because many homosexuals back then didn't even understand their own sexuality or that they "could" be gay. So after being filtered through their material biological reality this same aspect expresses itself completely differently than it would in today's world.

Conclusion: Don't think that just because you and your SO today have a similar synastry than a happily married couple that got married 20 years ago- that you two are now going to end up with the same long happy marriage. Today's world filters out these same planetary energies differently and you have to both put more effort into making a relationship work today than people did back then.

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posted November 04, 2018 02:23 AM            

As I read it, manderin's meaning was that historical periods, and culture with it, change through the passages of time.

By real world I read the "here and now", as pertaining to the culture we live in at the time of our incarnation.

Her statement: "The planets only work their energies through the funnel of the real world. In other words aspects only work within the rules of the time and place of the reality you live in." I read to mean that, regardless of our aspects, we still conform to the culture of the historical time period we live in.

I don't think there was anything derogatory about same sex couples.