posted October 28, 2018 08:23 PM            

This composite is undergoing a Saturn opp Saturn transit
Earlier (and in the middle) of this year it experienced t. Saturn conjunct the davidson Venus

Late April was it's Uranus opp. Uranus transit

As well as t. Uranus conjunct the davidson Mars, which is the ruler of the davidson's moon.

Also the transiting nodes crossed over the davidson Jupiter, which is the ruler of the MC/NN.

Ah and t. Saturn activated the midpoint of the yod.. so lots of revelations must have been had.

posted October 28, 2018 10:14 PM            

-Moon Opposite Pluto exact squaring the Nodes with Northnode at a critical degree and Saturn at the apex of a tsquare between Moon opposite Pluto and is also at the apex of Yod between Jupiter (the ruler of the NN and MC) and Neptune the Chart Ruler. That Saturn which to top it off is RETRO and conjunct southnode is key to that karma paying off and playing out. In addition to you two possibly meeting when transit saturn opposed that davison saturn which one of you has something in the natal in cancer around that degree? Curious...Can you post natals?

-Then add that the IC, DC ruler and chart ruler are all falling in the 8th.
-Add that SN, IC and DC ruler are all mercury rx in scorpio in the 8th. Very karmic.

I mean this is a super karmic and plutonic relationship. With Pluto opposite moon squaring the nodes is like you can't let go of each other, you will always love each other and think of each other, there will always be an attachment but I don't feel this is meant to last with the NN at a critical degree representing endings, this is about clearing karma and wrapping things up from a past life and transformation, once this takes place the relationship ends but you will still think of each other I feel.

*I associate that critical degree (29) with crisis, I feel perhaps you two met when one or both of you were going through a crisis and with Venus there on the NN is like you were suppose to be there for each other and give each other love and support while either of you got through the crisis. Been there for each other through a crisis is probably the karma that needs to play out, with saturn in cancer in the 4th I wonder if someone's grandparents passed away and that was the crisis. Or is there a sick person involved and one of you has to help the other let go and move on to the after life? Perhaps I am taking this too far but Pluto and Uranus are in the 7th and Jupiter in the 12th in aquarius and Sun ruler of the 6th conjuncts 8th cusp and IDK all that gave me the hunch that this may be about an unexpected illness, add the crisis vibe from NN at a critical degree in sag (sag can be about letting go especially with jupiter ruling the NN in the 12th, surrendering to faith), perhaps about someone ill moving on to the afterlife.

Maybe you work with people in hospice and this is a client you feel very connected to who is getting ready to move on and pass. Maybe is your grandparent. Maybe this is a widow or widower or will be.

posted October 28, 2018 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I mean that Sun ruling the 6th conjunct 8th cusp inconjunct chiron in the 1st, I feel illness and death come to mind and grief resulting from it. Relationship cut short because of it.

The davison screams crisis to me, barriers and challenges but a love that survives it all.

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Well the sun ruling the 6th conjunct 8th inconjunct chiron maybe means you met in the mental health field, I know you are in the mental health field so it could be that too but I still feel this relationship started out of the blue due to a crisis and will end of the blue once crisis ends and things settle. You or they will provide important support and love during this crisis.

posted October 29, 2018 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
I feel like... this was a very big year for these two people. Very big. April in particular.

This composite is undergoing a Saturn opp Saturn transit
Earlier (and in the middle) of this year it experienced t. Saturn conjunct the davidson Venus

Late April was it's Uranus opp. Uranus transit

As well as t. Uranus conjunct the davidson Mars, which is the ruler of the davidson's moon.

Also the transiting nodes crossed over the davidson Jupiter, which is the ruler of the MC/NN.

Ah and t. Saturn activated the midpoint of the yod.. so lots of revelations must have been had.

This has to be an age gap relationship is my thought.

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Hello Athenaia,

posted October 29, 2018 03:00 PM            

Hypatia,

I believe the separation has already begun. Our lives are beginning to move in different directions. It is a strange feeling, as I do feel very attached, however, a part of me feels it is for the best. I can't explain that? (considering the state of my natal Venus!)

posted October 29, 2018 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

Hypatia,

thank you for your time and help here. Much of what you have seen is accurate, and I am hitting myself that I could not grasp that Saturn-SN. Every time I looked at this chart I would zone in on a placement, only to realise it was connected to something else that threw me. I just can't connect the dots at all.

I am really wondering what the past Karma is. I wonder if this could be detected in the draconic?

In answer to your questions and insight, yes, there was a crisis. It was mine. Although I was too wrapped up in dealing with the practical side of things (Virgo Moon) I did not realise I was in crisis until the other took me aside and asked me how I was. I just went to pieces. No grandparents passed away, however one of mine was ill in hospital.

There have been deaths and illnesses of others in our lives and they tend to bring us together to give and receive support. I have always felt that I knew him already as soon as I met him, he also acknowledges this instant feeling of connection, which on the surface is ridiculous. No one else understands it.
However, our life events and movements even in this life have been eerily similar. We've had similar lessons to learn. We also did meet in the mental health field.

Bravo indeed! I love it when someone comes along and hits the nail so squarely on the head like this, it really motivates me to continue to study astrology as well as helping me learn more, so thank you Hypatia.

I will post the natals below, could also post the natal-davison synastries. I will also replace the OP davison.

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Wow I have goosebumps! Thanks for responding!

posted October 29, 2018 03:25 PM            

So the davison Saturn makes a yod with my natal Uranus/davison Neptune and my natal Merc-IC/davison Jupiter.

His natal Moon-Neptune conjuncts the davison Sun. his Sun also squares davison Sun.

posted October 29, 2018 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Wow I have goosebumps! Thanks for responding!

Today is insanely busy but would look at natals tonight. Thanks for posting those too.

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posted October 29, 2018 04:37 PM            

Here is why:

1. t.Saturn, t.Uranus and t.Karma will cj. d.Saturn

2. t.Sun cj. d.Sun

3. t.Jupiter (ruler of NN @ 29' Sag) will hit d.Karma (@ 29' Cap & d.Jupiter @ 4' Aqua)

4. t.Mars will conjunct d.Pluto with t.Uranus sq. d.Pluto

posted October 29, 2018 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I have this really weird feeling that our friendship will end with his death.
This could be with his natural death as there is quite an age difference, but that is not my feeling. I think I will definitely be there when he dies, but I have a feeling it will be in a crash. Thanks Uranus!!!!

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Now that you corrected that Davison moon in the 1H rules the 6th opposing Pluto which rules the 8th and falls in the 7th. Pluto ruling the 8th gives me that feeling of losing a significant other prematurely and its opposing the moon which rules the house of health but I don't see this moon opposite pluto activating his own natal but tr uranus will eventually go direct and hit that moon opposite Pluto. Tr uranus is already activating that nodal tsquare involving moon opposite pluto.

But looking at his natal his Moon rules his 12th and conjuncts Neptune in the 4th which trines Saturn in the 8th, I think he is going to live a SUPER long life actually, I mean those aspects scream literally VERY long life and dying in his sleep at home type of death, peacefully.

Looking at your natal I don't necessarily think it shows an early death but Pluto is approaching your Venus which squares Mars/Saturn/Pluto stellium on the AC and Mars rules your 6th house and falls in the 12th, Your venus rules your 12th, your chart and your 8th. I feel that may potentially mean that health issues that have been hidden from you will come to the surface possibly involving reproductive organs when pluto hits your venus and you may be struggling with health issues for a while MAYBE and he will provide support during that crisis, I feel you would overcome this though if this is the case bc saturn conjunct pluto is resilient AF and tends also indicate a long life.

Sorry, I wasn't looking for that. Its all a theory though.

Honestly though what I think is more likely is that one of you will lose someone you care for deeply and the other will provide support with grieving, like that grandparent that was ill, well at some point that grandparent will pass away for real and perhaps he will be there to help you grief. That is more likely bc of that Saturn in cancer conjunct southnode at the apex of that moon opposite pluto.

posted October 30, 2018 12:09 AM            

But yes I get the feeling that you will lose a significant other, probably close friend from childhood, and he will help you grieve and let go, he will provide needed support represented by that venus on the northnode at critical degree. Your faith will grow as a result of this crisis and grieving process he will support you through.

posted October 30, 2018 08:20 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Now that you corrected that Davison moon in the 1H rules the 6th opposing Pluto which rules the 8th and falls in the 7th. Pluto ruling the 8th gives me that feeling of losing a significant other prematurely and its opposing the moon which rules the house of health but I don't see this moon opposite pluto activating his own natal but tr uranus will eventually go direct and hit that moon opposite Pluto. Tr uranus is already activating that nodal tsquare involving moon opposite pluto.

But looking at his natal his Moon rules his 12th and conjuncts Neptune in the 4th which trines Saturn in the 8th, I think he is going to live a SUPER long life actually, I mean those aspects scream literally VERY long life and dying in his sleep at home type of death, peacefully.

Looking at your natal I don't necessarily think it shows an early death but Pluto is approaching your Venus which squares Mars/Saturn/Pluto stellium on the AC and Mars rules your 6th house and falls in the 12th, Your venus rules your 12th, your chart and your 8th. I feel that may potentially mean that health issues that have been hidden from you will come to the surface possibly involving reproductive organs when pluto hits your venus and you may be struggling with health issues for a while MAYBE and he will provide support during that crisis, I feel you would overcome this though if this is the case bc saturn conjunct pluto is resilient AF and tends also indicate a long life.

Sorry, I wasn't looking for that. Its all a theory though.

Honestly though what I think is more likely is that one of you will lose someone you care for deeply and the other will provide support with grieving, like that grandparent that was ill, well at some point that grandparent will pass away for real and perhaps he will be there to help you grief. That is more likely bc of that Saturn in cancer conjunct southnode at the apex of that moon opposite pluto.

Like that saturn/sn in cancer spells out loss involving a family member that you have a long history with stemming back to early childhood.

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Yes, I know who that grandparent will be, and I have discussed this with my friend. We are both aware that it will probably be the most difficult thing I ever have to go through. This family member has saved my life more than once. They picked me up many times when I couldn't stand anymore.
I have dreaded their death since childhood. Besides my children, they taught me all that was good in the world and gave me reasons to live.

I will certainly need my stellium when this happens!!

My friend has lost a few family members and I have tried to be there for him. I say 'try' because I am a rookie when it comes to dealing with death.

I am still processing the one death I have experienced (in 2013) and my friend always listens and understands when I want to discuss it. It's a difficult one to process as our relationship was painful, but I also needed him in my life at the time.

posted October 30, 2018 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
That Saturn YOD is activated by your natal Mercury conjunct IC and mercury rules your 11th house, perhaps the person you will lose is a friend from childhood you are very close to, not a family member. See how your mercury conjuncts the Davison Jupiter in the 12th which rules the Davison southnode? and saturn rules the Davison 11th house but conjuncts the 5th in cancer, I feel this is a friend from childhood that is like family that you have a lot of fond memories with.

But yes I get the feeling that you will lose a significant other, probably close friend from childhood, and he will help you grieve and let go, he will provide needed support represented by that venus on the northnode at critical degree. Your faith will grow as a result of this crisis and grieving process he will support you through.

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Thank you for this Hypatia.

This makes me think of a friend who has become like family. He is more of a 'cool uncle' than a friend, he is protective toward me, shares his wisdom and learning, and has always encouraged me to follow my dreams. We have had such a lot of fun also. He took me to my first festival and introduced me to life philosophies that I still live by. He really opened my mind to the world of thought, science and the arts.
His loss will be very difficult, and I fear it is not far off. He is a 65 year old, highly strung smoker!! He lived a life of decadence and self-indulgence until his brother became unwell. He is now a full-time carer and understandably struggles very much to accept that this is his life now. He is a fantastic carer, but does not see it and gives himself such a hard time.

This could be the death you are seeing that my other friend helps me with.