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aquasco
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posted November 10, 2018 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquasco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 10, 2018 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not that you have a lot of hard aspects, it's more that you don't really seem to have a lot of soft aspects who could smooth all the hard ones out a bit...

But no worries, opposites attract, and you are really opposites

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posted November 11, 2018 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crystal_clear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I advise you to run right now. First of all - tight Saturn-Sun conjunction. Secondly Saturn and Moon in the same sign. No matter how many good aspects - you two will be be living in emotional hell. Then you also have Pluto in easy aspect to Moon and Sun.

You will of course do what you want. it can be rewarding after all but Saturn rewards come late. So first it will be many years of Saturnian work.

Life is too short to actually get into this. I can see from. Where comes the attraction but like I said - over time Saturn and Pluto will kill all the joy

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posted November 11, 2018 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by crystal_clear:
I advise you to run right now.

Oh wow, really? I would find this quite irresistible, at least for the first person (inner wheel)

Sun conj vertex in 8th house
Moon in 4th house double whammy !!
Moon conj Lilith
Asc conj Eros (i know that one, this is hot!)
Mars and Jupiter opp Venus/Mars conj (a lot of sex)
Asc’s in a harmonious sextile. (you do complete each other, since you both need the other one’s element. In your case earth and water)
Sun and Moon mutually aspected.
Pluto harmoniously aspecting Moon
Pluto harmoniously aspecting Venus

Last but not least and the first thing I noticed:
Venus and Mercury conj NN !!

And the 1st person’s sun, though conj Saturn, falls in the 2nd person’s 5th house.

There is a magnetic, sexual draw between you. Mutually felt! (if you are each other’s type)
Since Person A has Scorpio Asc, they will immensely enjoy the sexual and transformative side to this union!
The Moon in 4th DW makes this a very emotional connection. You will deeply feel each other’s presence.
The NN conj from Venus makes this a fateful encounter, too. I don’t think you’ll be able to pass on this one..

BUT

The 1st person will be more involved in the long run, due to their Venus aspecting the other’s NN. These things never last, in my opinion, since it’s not a balanced union. In my experience the planet person feels very drawn to the other one, whereas the NN person at some point retreats. It’s because the NN is unknown territory.. it will always feel enticing and repulsive.

Also those with Scorpio Asc are more willing to immerse themselves in an intense relationship, whereas someone with Virgo Asc is rooted more in their head. It’ll take more time for them, to open up to uncharted territory. They’ll also be less willing to let down their defenses.

Scorpio will be obsessed fast, since their 8th house is also activated, whereas Virgo will see this a bit lighter. Since their Saturn conj the other one’s Sun, and their Uranus the other one’s Moon, they’ll at times have a ristrictive and depressing effect on Scorpio’s energy, and an unsettling effect on their emotions. Scorpio will feel miserable quite often.. But since I’m a Scorpio Asc too, I know we will enjoy the pain. We’re capable to take on a lot, when we think it’s worth it!

Good thing is, somehow you both need the other one’s elemental energy. Scorpio needs a partner, who is down to earth and more pragmatic.. whereas Virgo (with Pisces Dsc) needs someone other worldly, someone who makes them dream and feel more connected to their emotional and spiritual side. You will achieve that quite well, through your sexual union.

I can imagine this to be a very significant encounter for both of you! It will transform you both, no matter how and when it ends. I would give it a go, and see where it leads..

Would like to see your composite btw. This might say more!!👌

Ps: I’m no expert, just my 2 cents.

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posted November 11, 2018 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquasco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 11, 2018 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your synastry is more compelling than the composite.
The composite isn’t bad at all, but I notice that there are almost no aspects to your natal charts! The connection to the natal chart is important to determine the significance and viability of the relationship itself. It doesn’t seem that strong in this case. The impact you have on each other is still significant, but it won’t be enough to form an actual relationship for long.

Nevertheless there are some beautiful and strong points.. A Libra Asc and Venus in 1st house is a sign of a love partnership.. you two probably look great together. Sun on the Dsc makes you both partnership oriented as well as the vertex in 7th house.

Mars in 8th house speaks either for intense lovemaking or -if the energy cannot be channeled effectively- for quarrels over money and shared possessions. The opposition from Pluto 2nd house speaks for differing values. The sexual energy is strong, but not without conflict. You would fight a lot about money and values.

The moon in 4th house is a beautiful placement and speaks for strong emotional involvement. You will feel at home with each other.. but the square from that mars/Pluto opposition will directly affect that in a negative way. So whenever issues arise concerning sex/values/money you will feel threatened emotionally.
The only escape route for that, would be open communication (Mercury conj Asc) and the willingness to compromise (Sun conj Dsc)

Neptune and Uranus forming squares to Sun and Mercury show a relationship that’s rather unstable! Deception is a strong probability! So you would have to pay attention to that, and keep your communication channels open and honest.

Saturn is in 5th house but fortunately he doesn’t form harsh aspects to inner planets. The love expression in this relationship will be on the serious side. Not much playfulness or spontaneity. But some people don’t put much emphasis on that, so it’s neither good or bad. Depends on what you both want.

So what’s up with you and that other person? Can you relate to anything I have written? Or am I completely off. If you haven’t formed a relationship yet, the composite will show itself much later.. if at all..btw

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posted November 11, 2018 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquasco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 11, 2018 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with crystal_clear. You could give it a go, no point in not if you see no problem with it, but only time will tell if that relationship would last a lifetime.

But I don't agree with ann_bee's first sentence. I don't think you should ever go into a relationship where it is clear that only one of you is finding the circumstances irresistable or comfortable or whatever. That never works out, you should both be feeling happy and content and fulfilled, not just one of you getting a jerk out of it while the other is miserable. But again, I don't know what is the situation between the two of you in real life so maybe both of you are attracted and find it would be a good chance to take and not just one of you. If that's the case, just trust your intuition at that point to see if the relationship is worth staying in.


But if one of you (and only one of you) is only feeling the spark then yeah definitely don't even bother, because the synastry is already pretty bland no offense.

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posted November 12, 2018 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquasco:
The problem is that I don't know his TOB...

How about writing this piece of information, before you ask for a whole analysis ??

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posted November 12, 2018 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@capricorncheri

Where did I write, they should give it a go even if the other person isn’t interested? I was just responding to the first person, who insinuated that there were almost no good aspects and it’s not worth it.
Quote: I advise you to run right now.
That’s a pretty harsh statement, to begin with, and isn’t based on facts, imo.

Of course in the end it always comes down to mutual attraction and favorable life circumstances. But all we have is a chart. So I assume that it’s probably someone they just met or started dating..

But just out of interest (because I’m still learning) why do you think the synastry isn’t good?
I found a lot of aspects that counter this assumption.
In my first comment I made a list of favorable aspects.. even without the TOB of the 2nd person, there’s plenty, imo.

Just their Venus conj NN would be a huge thing.. there are also tight aspects between the luminaries and a lot of interaction between Venus and Mars.

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posted November 12, 2018 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well saying that you would go into a relationship like that because it is irresitible to you is you saying the relationship is worth it if it is attractive to one of you. Which is what I said several times. I did not misinterpret what you said lol. And I did not say that what you said was wrong, I just didn't agree with it. I think it is only okay to take a jump into a relationship that may flop if BOTH parties are comfortable and find the situation irresistible, which again is what I said. If only one party finds it worth it, then why bother? No point in only one of you feeling comfortable and attracted to the partnership. That's a sure failure, astrology or no astrology involved. Also, what I said the first time.

And I think the synastry is just meh, it's average nothing I'd spend too much time thinking about. Most of the positive aspects in it are between that asteroid or the outer planets and then the NN. The rest of the synastry is hard aspects between the planets. The hard planetary aspects might be sparking a flame of attraction between one or both of them, but if that is all there is with nothing positive btw those planets backing it up, there is probably going to be some sort of major disappointment, setback, or lack of feeling secure in this relationship.

As someone else said, it's not that they have a lot of hard aspects, its that they don't have enough soft aspects to cushion abruptness of those harsh aspects. As I said before, there is hope but only if they are both willing to take the risk and the leap and not just one of them trying to push to make it happen.

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posted November 12, 2018 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What would you consider favorable aspects then?
Not everyone can have Sun/Moon conj and Venus/ Mars conjunctions..
Most relationships don’t have that, and they’re still viable and enticing, and worth a commitment! I don’t think it’s always about finding your ultimate soulmate and forever life partner.. This is not something that happens through trines and conjunctions anyway, but through a willingness to put effort into someone and make compromises. But we need relationships to actualize ourselves and to grow. Wouldn’t strong Node contacts indicate some fatedness and an opportunity for growth?

Here are the positive aspects I had found in the chart (mind you back then I assumed that both birth times were known!)

Sun conj vertex in 8th house
Moon in 4th house double whammy !!
Moon conj Lilith
Asc conj Eros (i know that one, this is hot!)
Mars and Jupiter opp Venus/Mars conj (a lot of sex)
Asc’s in a harmonious sextile. (you do complete each other, since you both need the other one’s element. In your case earth and water)
Sun and Moon mutually aspected.
Pluto harmoniously aspecting Moon
Pluto harmoniously aspecting Venus

Last but not least and the first thing I noticed:
Venus and Mercury conj NN !!

I find these aspects quite impressive. Nothing in the chart tells me one should avoid this relationship!!
The aspects are also mutually felt. Both partners are involved, it’s not just a one-sided issue.

Or am I missing something?

“I would advice you to run right now” is a statement one might utter (if at all!) when there were lots of Pluto and Saturn squares.. which isn’t the case.

You know I’m just wondering.. maybe you see something I don’t..


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posted November 19, 2018 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquasco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 19, 2018 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquasco:
How do you think he feels towards me?
I just can't trust him.
I'm 20 and he's 27 years old, when he first texted me after meeting I didn't text back, he kept saying hi when he would see me in the streets even tho I would pretend I didn't notice him and stuff.
I probably was acting a bit immature but I'm kinda scared, last night at a friend's party he came to talk to me about this and he said all the things I wanted to hear...
Like he understands what I'm scared of and things like that, he said everything I was thinking without me having to say a word but when this happens I get even more scared, cause I think he's doing that just to please me or get in my head or something...

I'd think that's his Pluto to your Mercury. Wouldn't necessarily think he's trying to manipulate you though based on that. He's just tuned in sorta. But to see how he actually likes you his time of birth would be needed. Otherwise it'll be really topical the observation. Some people might like Saturn aspects e.g. and others would be turned off by it. And to know that you need to know his time of birth.

(Based on what you're saying he might just be turned on by your innocence lol, Venus/Mars to Jupiter in Leo might suggest that. And you're probably just feeding off on his energy. He might either be terribly turned on by you, hence him not caring whether or not it's reciprocated and just going for the kill. Or on that same note his Leo Mars is not willing to let go of his wants not being 'accepted', so long as he feels he still has a chance at ya. But it doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't like you. There's something pulling him in and he's not gonna let his ego get hurt, hence will bring about your 'timidness' as an excuse where you'll potentially start believing this yourself and fall for it. And the Pluto to your Mercury just gives him leverage. He might very well like you though. Again his time of birth...)

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posted November 19, 2018 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't touch it. But, I am older than both of you.

I think that it's valid to experience such a dynamic at some stage in our lives so as to learn.

Go for it. But, it wont last, and it will hurt.

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posted November 19, 2018 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we all need the hurt. Life is experienced by experiences.

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posted November 19, 2018 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquasco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 19, 2018 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I would go for it but him being so much 7 years older really scares me.
I'm not against hurt cause as you said it's part of experiencing but there are different types of hurt.

There's being hurt bc of circumstances, like something not working in the relationship, and there's being hurt by someone cause they want to hurt you. And I don't want someone to "fool me"...


With all the fire in his chart I think you should listen to what he tells you. I'd think he's pretty straight forward. (wanna post his natal? With the degrees portion at the bottom)

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posted November 19, 2018 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My thing was just that squares are never favorable on their own unless they have positive and neutral aspects there to bring out the goodness out of them. And I just thought the synastry was meh because there wasn't really anything there to bring out the goodness of the squares. Squares are pushy. When you get pushed from a building, you need several layers of landing to fall back on, literally. Maybe even a harness. So, positive and neutral aspects are like your harness, they're like your soft, supporitve landing at the bottom of that fall. The push can then be helpful and supportive of growth, because you didn't die from the fall. There was something keeping you alive and when you're alive, you can now learn from that fall and that push. Can't learn and grow from something if you died from it. Which is how squares can be very helpful. This fallback (positive and neutral aspects) should typically be found in the inner planets, not the outer planets and nodes. There is not a lot of that, which is why I think it is a meh synastry. You don't need to have Sun/Moon conjunctions or Venus/Mars conjunctions, you just need some sort of fallback in the inner planets to keep you safe from the fall of the squares and inconjunctions. The synastry is not bad but not something I would place hopes of survival in. It's average, like I said.

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posted November 19, 2018 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@capricorncheriscty
True. However the push is not always from atop of a building you know... That's why the time is really important. Say the moon squares might just force them to talk out stuff properly... It's all relative. And perhaps his Aries moon doesn't mind it at all... And her Capricorn Moon might deem it necessary. Especially with her seventh house ruler conjunct Mercury.
Edit: And her fifth house ruler Aries might have a similar love (as the Aries moon) for that aggressive nature, especially her Mars being enhanced by her Jupiter.

I wouldn't just brush off a synastry chart by seeing not enough colors or vice versa. It's really all dependant on the natals.

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posted November 19, 2018 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not to push the point but yeah I'm totally with capricorncheriscty.

aquasco .. squares to Moon (without harnesses) are squares to Moon no matter the sign.

Too much red, and in all the wrong places are a recipe for pain and disaster in the long run. It's just too wearing on the spirit.

But, yes, passion too. So, if you get in there, have fun, and get out without being too badly messed up, you'll hopefully have a good time and a good lesson to look back on.

Some people are into that kind of thing (I'm not personally).

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posted November 19, 2018 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brenda_S:
[b]@capricorncheriscty
True. However the push is not always from atop of a building you know... That's why the time is really important. Say the moon squares might just force them to talk out stuff properly... It's all relative. And perhaps his Aries moon doesn't mind it at all... And her Capricorn Moon might deem it necessary. Especially with her seventh house ruler conjunct Mercury.

I wouldn't just brush off a synastry chart by seeing not enough colors or vice versa. It's really all dependant on the natals.



Could you explain me what you mean when you talk about my 7th house ruler conjunct mercury? Does it mean that conversation plays a big role for me in relationship or..?[/B][/QUOTE]

Seventh house and its' ruler's nature are generally the stuff that you seek out or what satisfy you in a marriage partnership.

Your seventh house cusp Taurus... Its' ruler Venus in second house conjunct Mercury... And they're all in Capricorn. Seriousness and stability are strong themes for you... And has to be with some sense of laid-backness is what I'm guessing by this Venus. Think of it in the serene sense... And aggravating the tranquility will probably rub you in the wrong way. And you generally express this all in an external manner, hence communicating that aspect of yours. So someone not satisfying that part of you might leave you wanting. You wanna 'discuss' stuff. And not fight for sure.

Just realized that your second house is ruled by Sagittarius. So although all of the aforementioned is true, this would have the nature of your second house with all these planets in it have a feel rather of that free fall and excitement vs. just routine stuff and all.

(I edited my previous post... About the fifth house)

Now your fifth house is the romance trigger... The quality of that one is rather passionate.

So the moon squares... Yeah from one side it might aggravate the tranquility you're seeking. However those are your inner emotions coming to the forefront. And how many degrees is your Mars from your IC? I believe it's pretty close, that would give your own inner feelings that tense vibe. So might not be very foreign to you. And I'm liking his Pluto aspect to your Mercury here, him being able to get you from a telepathic level almost. As you said too.

Your Saturn I see sits in your fifth... That would add a purposefulness to your way of expressing your romantic nature. All this plays into it.

I get antsy when starting to analyze a chart lol so I'll not go into too much detail. But your nature is an actual nature and not just random connecting dots. I think you're supposed to put yourself in the position of the person when thinking about aspecting planets and how that would feel to you.

And same with him. I hate when people say 'you have Mars/Venus conjunct double whammy must be the attraction is mutual'. What's if I'm just turned off by that person's way of talking? It's all very generic you can't just say yes or no instantly and saying 'run this will never work out' is just... He might be hitting just the things you're looking for and the rest you'll encounter maybe, but it's the overall flavor that's much more important.

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