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Topic: Midpoints in Synastry = Unrequited Love?
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Lavender CrystalSwan unregistered
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posted January 09, 2014 07:58 AM
I was just thinking, would midpoint aspects in synastry possibly point to unrequited love if its only one person's "attraction midpoints" (Venus/Mars, Venus/Pluto, etc) activated more than the other person's midpoints? Or would they be felt by both parties?Lets say for instance if person A has her Venus/Pluto mp conjunct B's Pluto, would only she then feel "Venus/Pluto-y" about him? Or would he feel "Venus/Pluto-y" about her too? Lol I hope I'm not confusing anyone with this. What about her Venus/Asc mp on his Moon and Mars? Would he then admire her for her aesthetic appearance/beauty or would she be the one feeling attraction because its HER midpoint being touched afterall? Any thoughts?
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starmoon Knowflake Posts: 1828 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted January 09, 2014 08:40 AM
just my personal opinion, but my experience has shown that the person with the midpoint is the one left longing the most. for example, my most recent relationship had my sun/moon and venus/mars and venus/pluto conjunct my partner's midpoints (but not rather important ones), and it was definitely me that is left unrequited and feeling the loss. perhaps if they also have sun/moon contacts it would be reciprocal.
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Ceridwen unregistered
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posted January 09, 2014 09:15 AM
usually I`d say yes, the midpoint person is getting "hit" the most. However, it might depend on the triggering planets. If Venus or Moon are the ones triggering a midpoint, they still seem to be rather receptive.However I think this will be mostly the case if there is simultaneously a strong tight aspect (including semisquare and sesisquare) to the other one`s chart. IP: Logged |
Lavender CrystalSwan unregistered
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posted January 09, 2014 04:07 PM
Makes sense, thank you guys. Ceri, What other aspects do you use for midpoints? You think it could work with antiscons and quindeciles too? IP: Logged |
vickymadness Knowflake Posts: 2067 From: Minnesota Registered: Jan 2012
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posted January 09, 2014 06:47 PM
I also have a question about this: would a 3 orbs conjunction between a planet and a midpoint be acceptable?IP: Logged |
Lavender CrystalSwan unregistered
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posted January 09, 2014 08:35 PM
Vickymadness,I'd count it, but of course, its effect would be slightly weaker than normal. Midpoints are points afterall, so you want the orb to be as near-exact as possible in order to fully feel the energies of the aspect. IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted January 09, 2014 09:00 PM
I think it's the midpoint person feeling it. Another way of using it is through finding your asteroids that hit your midpoints so if people's planets hit that midpoint, it kind of embodies that message. But I use it at 1 orb since it's for asteroids. IP: Logged |
Lavender CrystalSwan unregistered
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posted January 09, 2014 11:53 PM
What if its someone's attraction object, such as Venus, Juno, or Aphrodite touching the other's midpoint?Like her Juno conjunct his Sun/Venus mp? Wouldn't it make sense that she see him as her perfect marriage partner more so than he does? Or would it be him that feels the Juno-vibe instead? Sorry, still trying to figure out how midpoints work exactly IP: Logged |
Ceridwen unregistered
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posted January 10, 2014 01:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by vickymadness: I also have a question about this: would a 3 orbs conjunction between a planet and a midpoint be acceptable?
I I wouldn´t count 3 degree midpoints. Personally I only consider them up to 2° max, and like them to be under 1°30 or even 1°00. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen unregistered
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posted January 10, 2014 01:36 AM
He would feel Sun/Venus.However I have been thinking about Moon/Venus and Sun/Mars-midpoints recently. Since both are symbols of pure masculinity and feminity. wouldn´t the Moon/Venus-mp for example for a woman be the "summary" of her feminity, and if a man Venus conjuncts it, wouldn`t the way she put herself out there appeal to him? IP: Logged |
Lavender CrystalSwan unregistered
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posted January 10, 2014 02:03 AM
Ceri, Yes I see what you mean. I kind of see it that way too. It'd make sense that a man will likely be attracted if his Venus, or even a romance-house ruler touches a woman's Moon/Venus mp. And vise versa for a woman's Mars or romance-house ruler touching a man's Sun/Mars. IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted January 10, 2014 02:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan: What if its someone's attraction object, such as Venus, Juno, or Aphrodite touching the other's midpoint?Like her Juno conjunct his Sun/Venus mp? Wouldn't it make sense that she see him as her perfect marriage partner more so than he does? Or would it be him that feels the Juno-vibe instead? Sorry, still trying to figure out how midpoints work exactly
Juno in a woman's chart actually refers to the wife she'll become after commitment, rather than her marriage partner. So the wife she would want to become fits his Sun/Venus-y (blend of ego and beauty) requirements. I'll usually only look at Sun-Moon mp, Venus-Mars mp, Venus-Pluto mp. I suppose the rest works too but it's too much work. lol.
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Lavender CrystalSwan unregistered
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posted January 10, 2014 03:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: Juno in a woman's chart actually refers to the wife she'll become after commitment, rather than her marriage partner.So the wife she would want to become fits his Sun/Venus-y (blend of ego and beauty) requirements. I'll usually only look at Sun-Moon mp, Venus-Mars mp, Venus-Pluto mp. I suppose the rest works too but it's too much work. lol.
Ok ty! And if its the man's Juno then he'll see her basic persona/appearance/style of love as fitting for a marriage partner right? Yeah lol I used to only look at the Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars mps too but after reading a few articles I've become really fascinated by the other mps as well! The angle/point mps deliver the most interest results in my personal experience. Oh and you don't need to calculate them by hand, astro.com can make them for you. Just select "Keller style (w. midpoints)" in the Chart drawing style menu and then click on the PDF version of the chart. Then scroll down to where it says Midpoints in Zodiacal Order and there you have it. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen unregistered
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posted January 10, 2014 04:24 AM
I prefer Ebertin.Keller has the soft aspects to midpoints, and honestly, in my observation soft aspects to midpoints do not effect anything at all. IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted January 10, 2014 04:33 AM
yeah i used to calculate manually. You can also go to astro.com and use the midpoint chart under "Pullen/ Astrolog".
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: He would feel Sun/Venus.However I have been thinking about Moon/Venus and Sun/Mars-midpoints recently. Since both are symbols of pure masculinity and feminity. wouldn´t the Moon/Venus-mp for example for a woman be the "summary" of her feminity, and if a man Venus conjuncts it, wouldn`t the way she put herself out there appeal to him?
I wonder if Venus-Moon mp in a guy's chart refers to the "dream girl" he wants?
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Ceridwen unregistered
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posted January 10, 2014 07:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: yeah i used to calculate manually. You can also go to astro.com and use the midpoint chart under "Pullen/ Astrolog". I wonder if Venus-Moon mp in a guy's chart refers to the "dream girl" he wants?
i was wondering the same. Though I still think the midpoint person - in general- will be the most affected. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen unregistered
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posted January 10, 2014 07:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan: Makes sense, thank you guys. Ceri, What other aspects do you use for midpoints? You think it could work with antiscons and quindeciles too?
Conjunction and opposition: direct midpoints square: indirect midpoints Noel Tyl and his followers use the quindecile with midpoints as well. To be honest I have no idea if antiscions work with midpoints. Maybe they do. But for now I keep to the conjunctions, oppositions and squares, they cover the most important (or rather the most noteable) ones anyway. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 3173 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted November 19, 2018 09:11 PM
What if it's the guys Sun/Moon midpoint conjunct the woman's Venus and his Sun/Venus conjunct her Mars?IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 104120 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 19, 2018 11:30 PM
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology. IP: Logged |
melinazonk Newflake Posts: 17 From: Switzerland Registered: May 2018
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posted November 20, 2018 05:15 AM
as a witness i can state that the person i like the most has my venus, sun and mercury opposite his sun/moon midpoint, but i always was the one more involved.IP: Logged |
sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 714 From: Oz Registered: May 2011
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posted November 20, 2018 05:32 AM
melinazonk -That's valuable information. Thank you. Obviously depends on the charts, but, that information runs counter to the logic as I see it. As (and mentioned above by someone), the midpoint is the sensitive point only, really. So, only sensitive for the midpoint person. But, maybe you can add a different perspective? Maybe, like with the angles that are also not a point that gives off energy, maybe there is a feedback happening with midpoints? The points feel it, and feed it back to the planets. I hope I'm making sense. But, yes, thanks for you input
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ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 269 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 20, 2018 05:43 AM
So midpoints are significant after all? Or only when the connection is backed up by other planet to planet aspects? Meaning that the theme of the midpoint would have to repeat itself somewhere else to be felt at all...I never payed attention to midpoints before. Maybe someone could explain how significant this connection is, compared to planet and house placements. And shouldn`t the Part of Fortune have a bigger impact than a sun/moon midpoint... since it`s derived from a person`s Sun, Moon and Asc? Basically representing the chart owner`s essence.. But this point also doesn`t get much attention, it seems.. just wondering IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 3173 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted November 20, 2018 07:46 AM
quote: Originally posted by melinazonk: as a witness i can state that the person i like the most has my venus, sun and mercury opposite his sun/moon midpoint, but i always was the one more involved.
I've read that it's the Midpoint person who tends to be more involved. But I guess it depends. My Venus in Pisces conjuncts this guys Sun/Moon Pisces midpoint at 3 degrees. And my Mars in Gemini conjunct his Sun/Venus Gemini Midpoint at 0 degrees. I wonder what it means exactly. He has Sun and Venus in Gemini in his nata l chart. IP: Logged |
melinazonk Newflake Posts: 17 From: Switzerland Registered: May 2018
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posted November 20, 2018 08:10 AM
we could talk forever about the infinite shades of synastry aspects... (i would love it)we all know that adding all the singular aspects to create a sort of puzzle it's quite... reductive. and also a pity because there's so much more than this, the natal charts themselves, signs, houses, composite, davison, progressions and so many other things that i don't even know yet. i recognize the hope/pleasure to have an opinion about our own synastry but i think that sometimes we're so impatient to find out if we're losing our time or not that we're not paying attention to the fact that, despite of every objective aspect, we have also to consider ourselves, our individuality. for example i noticed that the so famous venus-mars conjunction has no big impact on me for what concerns the sexual chemistry. the venus-mars opposition instead, woah don't get me wrong, i'm the first who posted her synastry here few days ago lol (@sassaqua you were the only one who commented it) in this sun/moon midpoint case, i could speculate that maybe he's into me too, but our emphatized 12th house makes everything... hidden. but it lasts. everytime we saw each other the rest of the world stopped to exist, and this wasn't just from my side, but also for him, i'm sure about this. using my cap-saturn (i'm on my first return) i would attest "he disappeared, never wrote me for explanations and i know he has a girlfriend now. so he simply doesn't care about me... so, byeee!" but, if we're talking about attraction-factors... i'm pretty sure he also felt something strong. maybe the fact that I manifested this feeling with my words and he didn't doesn't mean that he didn't feel anything! i really don't know... but i love astrology and i will keep to looking for answers. IP: Logged |
sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 714 From: Oz Registered: May 2011
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posted November 20, 2018 12:20 PM
melinazonk -If you feel comfortable, would you like to bump that thread to remind me and do an update? Re mid points - again, maybe the initial vibe the midpoint person gets, is felt by the planet person, and is then reflected back. Maybe the title of this post from the LL wise owls is not called "Midpoints in Synastry = Unrequited Love?" for nothing. Great to reconsider the dynamic of midpoints anyhow.
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