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ChildofVenus
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posted December 17, 2018 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does this indicate in synastry?

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posted December 17, 2018 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natal chart needs to be considered. Since normally this isn't as intense or romantic. But the one person I've intensely felt about in my life has 3rd, 9nth, 10th and 11th house overlays for me. (eighth house overlay I never feel intensely about)

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posted December 17, 2018 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Natal chart needs to be considered. Since normally this isn't as intense or romantic. But the one person I've intensely felt about in my life has 3rd, 9nth, 10th and 11th house overlays for me. (eighth house overlay I never feel intensely about)

Do you have 9th, 3rd, 10th or 11th house placements? That could be why I've read that 4th, 8th and 12th house overlays are the most intense. So far for me It's been the 4th house and maybe the 8th house. But I have a lot of 8th house placements in my own chart. No planets in my 12th house.

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posted December 17, 2018 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Do you have 9th, 3rd, 10th or 11th house placements? That could be why I've read that 4th, 8th and 12th house overlays are the most intense. So far for me It's been the 4th house and maybe the 8th house. But I have a lot of 8th house placements in my own chart. No planets in my 12th house.

My chart ruler is in my 11th and my tenth house is Aquarius. My DC is Sag which explains ninth house and its' ruler Jupiter is in my 3rd.

I think angles matter a lot as to how you feel about each house. And fifth house too I guess.

My Uranus is in my eighth. Which hypatia just brought to my attention that it might make me feel cool about eighth house matters which makes a lot of sense in my case. I've had more than a few people with eighth house overlays and I felt nothing for them. Actually never felt strongly about anyone's planets falling in my eighth.

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posted December 18, 2018 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
My chart ruler is in my 11th and my tenth house is Aquarius. My DC is Sag which explains ninth house and its' ruler Jupiter is in my 3rd.

I think angles matter a lot as to how you feel about each house. And fifth house too I guess.

My Uranus is in my eighth. Which hypatia just brought to my attention that it might make me feel cool about eighth house matters which makes a lot of sense in my case. I've had more than a few people with eighth house overlays and I felt nothing for them. Actually never felt strongly about anyone's planets falling in my eighth.


If his chart ruler Moon is in 3rd house and I've my 5th house Pluto conjunct it, is it significant for him?

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posted December 18, 2018 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
My chart ruler is in my 11th and my tenth house is Aquarius. My DC is Sag which explains ninth house and its' ruler Jupiter is in my 3rd.

I think angles matter a lot as to how you feel about each house. And fifth house too I guess.

My Uranus is in my eighth. Which hypatia just brought to my attention that it might make me feel cool about eighth house matters which makes a lot of sense in my case. I've had more than a few people with eighth house overlays and I felt nothing for them. Actually never felt strongly about anyone's planets falling in my eighth.


Yeah I think Uranus in the 8th is probably why you don't feel much when someone's planet is there. I haven't experienced having anyone's planet is my 8th house. But I like having their Moon in my 5th house. It feels nice but my 5th house is empty.

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posted December 18, 2018 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If his chart ruler Moon is in 3rd house and I've my 5th house Pluto conjunct it, is it significant for him?

It's tough to say from a topical level only... But given that your seventh house ruler Jupiter oppose it I'd think it's more integrated in your relational nature vs just romantic or when having fun nature. I'm not sure how much of an orb you can use with outer planets... Some go with 2-3 max since it's in fact a generational planet but again given that it's your Jupiter that opposes it, it's probably more powerful than a standard Pluto so maybe.

But as far as house overlays, yeah I'd definitely think so. The fact that he can relate to your intense nature means a lot to him. One cuz his Moon is there, two cuz it's his ruling planet that's there. And the Pluto/Jupiter contact from your chart is also significant in your chart in matters of relationships so...

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posted December 19, 2018 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
It's tough to say from a topical level only... But given that your seventh house ruler Jupiter oppose it I'd think it's more integrated in your relational nature vs just romantic or when having fun nature. I'm not sure how much of an orb you can use with outer planets... Some go with 2-3 max since it's in fact a generational planet but again given that it's your Jupiter that opposes it, it's probably more powerful than a standard Pluto so maybe.

But as far as house overlays, yeah I'd definitely think so. The fact that he can relate to your intense nature means a lot to him. One cuz his Moon is there, two cuz it's his ruling planet that's there. And the Pluto/Jupiter contact from your chart is also significant in your chart in matters of relationships so...


My Jupiter is opposing his Moon at 2°.

Moon is not just his chart ruler but he's also a Lunarian.

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posted December 23, 2018 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 24, 2018 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Natal chart needs to be considered. Since normally this isn't as intense or romantic. But the one person I've intensely felt about in my life has 3rd, 9nth, 10th and 11th house overlays for me. (eighth house overlay I never feel intensely about)

Do you find it resonates with primary & secondary house overlays through symbolisms matching?

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posted December 24, 2018 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Do you have 9th, 3rd, 10th or 11th house placements? That could be why I've read that 4th, 8th and 12th house overlays are the most intense. So far for me It's been the 4th house and maybe the 8th house. But I have a lot of 8th house placements in my own chart. No planets in my 12th house.

Perhaps it's because they activate your primary & secondary relationship houses through symbolisms matching.

Got a thread here which Lotis White explained - http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001052.html

Do you find it true?

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posted December 24, 2018 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Do you find it resonates with primary & secondary house overlays through symbolisms matching?

For me definitely, much more so than any house overlays.

My ex husband had his Sun on my DC pretty exact. (without going into details) I wouldn't necessarily say that I saw him as my ideal partner at all.

I've had quite a few Sag's in my life, none necessarily I would commit to.

But I do know I was always attracted to individuals with such characteristics. This other guy has no Sag placements but very much portrays such traits in my eyes, which is probably why I'm really feeling him. As well as his Mercury (which is my chart ruler, in addition my DC ruler sits in my third) overlays my ninth. It all just comes together.

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posted December 25, 2018 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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For me definitely, much more so than any house overlays.

My ex husband had his Sun on my DC pretty exact. (without going into details) I wouldn't necessarily say that I saw him as my ideal partner at all.

I've had quite a few Sag's in my life, none necessarily I would commit to.

But I do know I was always attracted to individuals with such characteristics. This other guy has no Sag placements but very much portrays such traits in my eyes, which is probably why I'm really feeling him. As well as his Mercury (which is my chart ruler, in addition my DC ruler sits in my third) overlays my ninth. It all just comes together.


Oh, I forgot you're a Gem rising like me! How is this guy you mentioned Sag-like? What sign is his Mercury?

I also don't necessarily see Sag as my ideal. My first ex was a Sag and he was completely not my ideal. My Dsc ruler sits in my 11th so I prefer someone who's able to be my friend & lover and who's also more on the serious side (which also matches my 8th house Cap) + I've Saturn sextile Sun/Mercury, trine Mars so I really click with more serious people. While I also like people with a sense of humour, I get turned off if they joke too much and appear flaky (which some Sags do).

I really have a qn though (pls tell me what you think)... Does my natal Saturn aspects give me a sort of Saturnian energy or are harmonious aspects considered too weak? My Saturn also squares Jupiter & Pluto. I've been thinking about this as I've been told these are not strong aspects so not really Saturnian energy, yet people who know me have all told me I'm very serious and stern with a no-nonsense approach. I get really annoyed when people are not serious with things. Some even say although I'm nice (cos I'm Neptunian), I'm also always a little "cold". These are all Saturnian energies, aren't they?

Btw, do you also know anything about Mercury conjunct Eros on the IC in synastry?

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posted December 25, 2018 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh, I forgot you're a Gem rising like me! How is this guy you mentioned Sag-like? What sign is his Mercury?

I also don't necessarily see Sag as my ideal. My first ex was a Sag and he was completely not my ideal. My Dsc ruler sits in my 11th so I prefer someone who's able to be my friend & lover and who's also more on the serious side (which also matches my 8th house Cap) + I've Saturn sextile Sun/Mercury, trine Mars so I really click with more serious people. While I also like people with a sense of humour, I get turned off if they joke too much and appear flaky (which some Sags do).

I really have a qn though (pls tell me what you think)... Does my natal Saturn aspects give me a sort of Saturnian energy or are harmonious aspects considered too weak? My Saturn also squares Jupiter & Pluto. I've been thinking about this as I've been told these are not strong aspects so not really Saturnian energy, yet people who know me have all told me I'm very serious and stern with a no-nonsense approach. I get really annoyed when people are not serious with things. Some even say although I'm nice (cos I'm Neptunian), I'm also always a little "cold". These are all Saturnian energies, aren't they?

Btw, do you also know anything about Mercury conjunct Eros on the IC in synastry?


So this guy has nothing in Sag. His Mercury is in Aquarius (mirroring sorta my Mercury in 11th).

Not sure what it is that precisely contributes to these qualities he has... And I'm really not a fan of the Sag people I know. But I do like the Sag concept. The idea of being well learned and just knowing about everything life questions may hit you with. That is him. (initially I thought it was his 9th house ruler conjunct fifth house cusp, which will give him a joy in knowing stuff just for the sake of it. Although it may still be true...)

I just realized his Jupiter in Capricorn in the third house sextile Sun, squares his AC. Which essentially mirrors my DC ruler Jupiter in Leo opposite Saturn in the third. An epiphany moment lol, he's actually the type of Jupiter guy that I probably view as my ideal. I guess.

I definitely wouldn't say that harmonious aspects are considered weak. Harmonious aspects are not annoyingly in your face, but rather well integrated in your nature and a natural part of you. Hard aspects are stuff you're forced to integrate within your nature. And people may feel that.

Say someone's Mercury square AC. Or square Venus. They probably have a hard time charming people over, since it's not natural for them to fluently and without hesitation use the right words to know how to 'get' them or lure them in. (These are probably the guys acting weird and trying too hard when hitting on you lol, hope I'm not offending anyone) Someone with harmonious aspects (specifically the trine) to these will probably not to able to teach you what they're doing to be naturally sweet or charming. They'll probably just say 'be yourself'. Those with the sextile are probably best to teach you such stuff. Since they're aware that it's not inherently there for them, but they have an easy time integrating it and use it when necessary.

Actually the harmonious Saturn aspects are much more favorable in my opinion than the hard ones. (Gonna go with my gut here with this example, although I don't really know such people) Saturn sextile Sun trine Mars... You know sometimes you look at these female business entrepreneurs and you're like damn I wanna be just like that. It just seems so easy and having a life full of purpose like that just seems really ideal. Like everything they do is just 'right'. With the hard Saturn aspects, they'll probably make everything seem like a 'thing' to deal with and it'll just be all complicated. Those individuals are probably hardly a source of inspiration since the aura they exude probably just feels forced and with a sense of pressure.

With the sextile to Mercury, probably that's the reason you don't like it when people joke around too much. Like 'think real'. You probably dislike people making themselves crazy or something. (I can relate to this one, I have the hard Saturn to Mercury although at an 8 orb and out of sign) But still, people probably don't feel stupid in your presence, they probably just feel like they have to up their game with you.

Asteroids are something I've yet to explore. Don't know much about it to be honest.

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posted December 26, 2018 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I definitely wouldn't say that harmonious aspects are considered weak. Harmonious aspects are not annoyingly in your face, but rather well integrated in your nature and a natural part of you. Hard aspects are stuff you're forced to integrate within your nature. And people may feel that.

Say someone's Mercury square AC. Or square Venus. They probably have a hard time charming people over, since it's not natural for them to fluently and without hesitation use the right words to know how to 'get' them or lure them in. (These are probably the guys acting weird and trying too hard when hitting on you lol, hope I'm not offending anyone) Someone with harmonious aspects (specifically the trine) to these will probably not to able to teach you what they're doing to be naturally sweet or charming. They'll probably just say 'be yourself'. Those with the sextile are probably best to teach you such stuff. Since they're aware that it's not inherently there for them, but they have an easy time integrating it and use it when necessary.

Actually the harmonious Saturn aspects are much more favorable in my opinion than the hard ones. (Gonna go with my gut here with this example, although I don't really know such people) Saturn sextile Sun trine Mars... You know sometimes you look at these female business entrepreneurs and you're like damn I wanna be just like that. It just seems so easy and having a life full of purpose like that just seems really ideal. Like everything they do is just 'right'. With the hard Saturn aspects, they'll probably make everything seem like a 'thing' to deal with and it'll just be all complicated. Those individuals are probably hardly a source of inspiration since the aura they exude probably just feels forced and with a sense of pressure.

With the sextile to Mercury, probably that's the reason you don't like it when people joke around too much. Like 'think real'. You probably dislike people making themselves crazy or something. (I can relate to this one, I have the hard Saturn to Mercury although at an 8 orb and out of sign) But still, people probably don't feel stupid in your presence, they probably just feel like they have to up their game with you.

Asteroids are something I've yet to explore. Don't know much about it to be honest.


Why, thanks for saying that. Now my harmonious sextiles/trine feel good. I was feeling confused when someone said my Saturnian energy is just a facade and will not attract a Cap dsc, although I feel so integrated in my personality + I've Mars in 10th house trining my Saturn (not significant?). So I was thinking do you really need those hard aspects, Cap planets and/or a stellium? Although that will be ideal but I'm happy with a moderate energy, haha.

Anyway, I personally feel that the harmonious energies make me serious but not overly hard on myself & others. Some of my friends with hard Saturn aspects always seem extremely busy or they will do things in very complicated ways when there's clearly an easier resolution... perhaps it's like what you said, they make everything they do a "thing" to deal with and complicated.

What do you mean they feel a need to up my game? I don't know if I make them feel stupid but I do the *eye-roll* often when people say something stupid or off-tangent...it's like my eyes have an auto-switch (lol).

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posted December 26, 2018 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Why, thanks for saying that. Now my harmonious sextiles/trine feel good. I was feeling confused when someone said my Saturnian energy is just a facade and will not attract a Cap dsc, although I feel so integrated in my personality + I've Mars in 10th house trining my Saturn (not significant?). So I was thinking do you really need those hard aspects, Cap planets and/or a stellium? Although that will be ideal but I'm happy with a moderate energy, haha.

Anyway, I personally feel that the harmonious energies make me serious but not overly hard on myself & others. Some of my friends with hard Saturn aspects always seem extremely busy or they will do things in very complicated ways when there's clearly an easier resolution... perhaps it's like what you said, they make everything they do a "thing" to deal with and complicated.

What do you mean they feel a need to up my game? I don't know if I make them feel stupid but I do the *eye-roll* often when people say something stupid or off-tangent...it's like my eyes have an auto-switch (lol).


Lol cool. And yeah moderate energy is kinda like knowing you're having a fun time, but only really realizing it in retrospect. A last year's Christmas party recollection or something lol. (Worst when you're trying to have fun and remembering just that - the trying - that's probably like the hard aspects)

I think Mars in tenth by itself will automatically give a Saturnian feel to your Mars. Houses are areas of life. Mars and your asserting power focusing on the status of a situation. And working on what 'needs be'. And it trines Saturn... So yeah.

You explained the answer to your question well by the 'not being hard on yourself and others.'

I feel people with strong Saturn aspects will just try to bring you down or something for not being serious or whatever. Like yeah you may roll with your eyes. It'll probably make them think like they messed up or something and try to correct their actions (although they probably get that feel from you from the get go) but it won't feel 'squared' to them lol best explanation I could find. Like it won't feel you're trying to fit them into a box. They'll naturally feel like they wanna act 'normal' around you. (Instead of the squared individuals probably best avoided lol due to the constant having something to say to 'make you right' - referring to someone specifically here with a Mercury-Saturn conjunction in Capricorn no less. So it might just be those hard Saturn to Mercury aspects, they just make you feel stupid in my experience lol)

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posted December 28, 2018 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Lol cool. And yeah moderate energy is kinda like knowing you're having a fun time, but only really realizing it in retrospect. A last year's Christmas party recollection or something lol. (Worst when you're trying to have fun and remembering just that - the trying - that's probably like the hard aspects)

I think Mars in tenth by itself will automatically give a Saturnian feel to your Mars. Houses are areas of life. Mars and your asserting power focusing on the status of a situation. And working on what 'needs be'. And it trines Saturn... So yeah.

You explained the answer to your question well by the 'not being hard on yourself and others.'

I feel people with strong Saturn aspects will just try to bring you down or something for not being serious or whatever. Like yeah you may roll with your eyes. It'll probably make them think like they messed up or something and try to correct their actions (although they probably get that feel from you from the get go) but it won't feel 'squared' to them lol best explanation I could find. Like it won't feel you're trying to fit them into a box. They'll naturally feel like they wanna act 'normal' around you. (Instead of the squared individuals probably best avoided lol due to the constant having something to say to 'make you right' - referring to someone specifically here with a Mercury-Saturn conjunction in Capricorn no less. So it might just be those hard Saturn to Mercury aspects, they just make you feel stupid in my experience lol)


I LOL at your Christmas party analogy. *Dance half way... oh, I'm supposed to be having fun...continues dancing*

I don't try to fit people into my box. I'll just leave them out by not engaging them at all (haha)..so I shut people out (not sure if it's a good thing). On the same note, I find that people with hard Saturn aspects will force-fit you into their boxes and they won't stop until you fit...lol

I know someone with Saturn square Mercury in Capricorn. He's extremely critical of what you say. He'll nitpick at your words and will go on and on about why you should not use a particular word or phrase. Can be insufferable. I had a run-in with him once and had to excuse myself from the table because I was going to explode.

Two other friends with Saturn square Sun are like disciplinary masters. Very critical of your behaviour. You should've done this... You shouldn't have done that...etc. Makes you feel that you have to be at your best behaviour and do all the right things.

I'm offending all the hard Saturn aspects people here. Hahaha...

I think Mars in 10th also appears "aggressive" although it may or may not be real + my Mars squares Asc so... (haha). My ex-boss said I was very competitive although honestly I wasn't trying to compete with anyone. Also people have regularly told me I give off a "don't-mess-with-me" vibe although I'm not an aggressive person. My Pisces Mars is the apex of 2 mutable t-squares so it prefers to adapt & avoid conflicts rather than confront, unless severely threatened.

I just realised that my Saturn is also at the apex of a cardinal t-square involving Jupiter & Pluto which supposedly exudes strong Saturnian energy. I read this online: "When Saturn is the Apex of a T-square, the individual finds security in the control that he or she exercises over the life but, in doing so, there is the danger of becoming too rigid, too unyielding and highly structured. The desire for control also shows an ability for organization, management, self-discipline and high responsibility. "
-- This really describes my struggle. Pressure from people overly demanding things from me.

Clearly I'm trying very hard here to prove my Saturnian energy so thanks for agreeing with me so far. LOL.

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