posted December 26, 2018 10:46 PM            

I'm brand new around these parts, but I've been reading and absorbing all of the prime insight off of here since 2013 on the daily. This is not an exaggeration. I don't know what I would do without this community... I've learned so much about myself... And I'm excited to finally have a voice and share a little bit.

Could any of you please assist?

Just a little FYI: Neptune has been touring my Venus (swinging like a damn pendulum) for the past year or so. Since Neptune has been in retrograde - I've been able to view others and myself more clearly. But prior to: BLIND AS A BAT.

I have dated and be-friended scum and thought the world of them. Now that it's gone direct again, I'm paranoid that I'm still inhibited... having natal Venus in Pisces has been nothing short of exhausting. I have been used, abused, and taken advantage of more times than I can count. But I am not a victim. I was young and different then and did not understand that you do attract what you radiate. I've suffered from low self-esteem for most of my life. I am also a late-bloomer. I still see myself much different than others do. I have been stalked and obsessed over. But I have remained single. I'm 31, going on 32.

My progressed Moon in Scorpio is nearing it's end. It's about to cross over my Ascendant and move into Sagittarius. It's been an insanely painful 2 years. So much death, solitude, career changes, fluctuation in finances.... and yes soooo much sex lol

Anyway, this man (who I met in June of this year) scares the hell out me.... I rarely care for 7th house overlays, but his Moon in my 7th is nothing short of divine ... Never felt this way before - I feel supported but also vulnerable. We share a few powerful connections... I just can't figure out how or what he thinks of me without being biased. I have to be honest. I need to be. He's predominately air. I typical feel first think second, while he thinks and intellectualizes (and socializes) 24/7.

I have not be as trusting with him as I have been in the past. I just want to be absolutely sure he's not using that Libra Mars for "play" catch and release.

We both have commitment issues. Are driven work-a-holics. Love a good escape. We also have been battling for power (Pluto and Saturn... Saturn exhibits restraint and establishing stability - we started off extremely fast *URANUUUUS*, but Saturn slowed us down) and yes, confusion from Neptune - I don't take those aspects lightly at all. But with all that said. Everything went awry when transit Juno went retrograde. I haven't read much of anything about Juno retrogrades and how it can affect various stages of relationships.

Juno has played a huge role in ours (together and individually by transit).... and I'll get into that later... anyway, followed by Venus and then Mercury retrogrades - we took some massive steps back... and now we are in limbo. Haven't spoken or seen each other in nearly a month.

Now that Juno has gone stationary, I can't help but think about him and how much he means to me. And how giving up, might be a huge mistake.

SO.....

Who... feels more?

And is there long term potentional?

My Natal:

Synastry:

Composite:

Davison (We LIVE this - seems spot on in comparison to the Composite):

posted December 27, 2018 03:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
Hello

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It's very hard to see the degrees as your image resolution is low, but from the way I see, you seem to be feeling more than him as:
(1) He seems to be activating all your relationship houses and planets, whereas you to him not as much. This is NOT to say he doesn't feel anything, just perhaps you're feeling more.

(2) You have a Pisces Venus & Scorpio Asc...sigh... you're definitely more sentimental and Scorpios are infamous for holding on once they fall in love.

However, you both have nice Juno aspects - Yours conjunct his Venus and his square your Jupiter. I don't see any Asc-Dsc contacts though.

posted December 27, 2018 08:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
It's very hard to see the degrees as your image resolution is low, but from the way I see, you seem to be feeling more than him as:
(1) He seems to be activating all your relationship houses and planets, whereas you to him not as much. This is NOT to say he doesn't feel anything, just perhaps you're feeling more.

(2) You have a Pisces Venus & Scorpio Asc...sigh... you're definitely more sentimental and Scorpios are infamous for holding on once they fall in love.

However, you both have nice Juno aspects - Yours conjunct his Venus and his square your Jupiter. I don't see any Asc-Dsc contacts though.

You said your Davison chart has been more accurate than Composite and I've been asking this qn for the longest time - whether to rely on Davison or Composite. Can you explain yours as in the differences between your 2 charts and why you find Davison more accurate? Thanks!

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Thank you, I appreciate at it! I didn't even think that you could see the aspects correctly... I cleaned up the charts a bit. Too many asteroids. My apologies - hope these are easier to view:

Synastry again:

And the aspects:

Davison:

Aspects:

His Juno in Cap also conjuncts my Neptune in Cap, exact. For us, Neptune roams free (maybe a little too free).

The reason I say the Davison describes us best -- is we STAY at home and love to be home. He feels like family. And he is incredibly affectionate and romantic with me. He had just moved into his first (custom built) townhouse 2 weeks prior to meeting me. I also live alone in my own "bachelorette" apartment. We are obsessed with decorating and tech.

We have technically been on maybe 2 dates out. We just prefer to be at home, in a bubble. It's the ultimate escape. But it's also why I am so paranoid and weary I am not seeing him and us clearly. I don't want to feel like I am secret. But that's why I have pulled away. Pluto in the 3rd and Saturn in the 4th are felt. There's a deepness between us I can't explain. And there is a push to be authentic and go beyond our Libran tendency to tread carefully and avoid talking about hard things.

Sexually, it's been the most satisfying I've ever experienced with anyone. And I want to have a family with him. When Venus was in Scorpio, he wouldn't leave me alone lol.

This past September, Juno hit our North Node in Taurus (which is also my exact descendant degree) - we talked about the future. Finances, Children, and what we both want from a partnership. He is AQUARIAN in love, to a T. He told me he is afraid of marriage and doesn't want to get married ever. His childhood was difficult. His father was married 7 times. His family was also split in half. His brothers went to live with his father. While he went to live with his mother and sisters. He's the youngest.

His father died in early September. He asked to spend time with me 3 days after the funeral. He casually told me during our conversation. They had a complicated relationship, and he cared for him in his final years before passing... and it's why I haven't pushed for commitment. I sense there's just so much happening inside him that he sweeps under the rug. He doesn't deal with emotions. But I found a slew of grief books scattered around his room.

At 36 going on 37, he's managed to avoid deeper commitment. He's Fire and Air. He's wild. Restless. But I feel and see how he's finally (inching toward) settling down.

He also asked for my resume and sent it off so he could get me a higher paying job with his tech company. That was huge for me, because his job is highly visible, and he's moving up quickly within in his company. I thought it was both odd and bold of him to risk his reputation for me (very 11th house of him - his 7th house planets fall into my 11th). His mars conjuncts my south node.

His Sun in Aries falls into my 5th, conjuncts my Jupiter and North Node.

I do activate his 7th house Ruler, Venus - NO it's not wham bam in your face conjunctions... I have had that and I felt NOTHING or it was one-sided attraction. But there's a fair share of hard and soft between us - but yea... I do think I feel more. So maybe this is a sign I should just stay away?

I don't know if you care for the Vertex or not - but that's the other large draw and why I think we keep coming back to each other... my Moon is 3 degrees applying to his Vertex, my Mercury is conjunct his anti-vertex. His north node conjuncts my Vertex.

My 7th house ruler is so funky. I have always felt it's more Mercury (Gemini) than Venus. I have a type - dark, tall and piercing eyes. I physically like fire men, with Scorpio qualities and intensity with an Aquarian mind/communication - this is what hooks me above everything - a man's intellect, knowledge and conversation. But he has to be real, and honest, and self-deprecating lol. We have to be able to laugh together. He definitely hits all these areas.

His Venus: Aqua in 11th ruled by Capricorn. His Saturn is in Libra opposite my Sun.

His Moon: Gemini in 2nd/3rd; Conjuncts my Mars and trines my Moon and falls into my 7th

His Moon is Gemini, in the 2nd in using Placidus - but the 3rd using whole signs. Being around him he vibes between both. He's very attached to his property (just like I am), but he handles the world like a true Gemini. He's always doing something with his hands. Mentally engaged at all times. I am the same way. I feel my Mars in Gemini colors my Sun qualities a lot. I talk with my hands and I'm very changeable and expressive. He made a point to tell me he loves how I use my hands and how I think.

The moon (Cancer) rules his 4th and 5th houses. Since his Moon is in Gemini, it's clear he wants a Mercurial kind of woman... and we have had the talk about commitment prior to things going off course with the retrogrades of Juno, Venus and then Mercury. But well - we aren't talking at all right now.

My 5th house ruler Mars conjuncts his Moon (rulers of his 4th/5th). I feel this the most. And he feels it too. He's tried to get me pregnant....

Our Mercuries are conjunct between 4th/12th. His Mercury falls in the 12th. This is his shadow side.... and the part that most others do not understand - but I do. It inhibits him in many ways. We don't do heavy drugs, but I do drink wine. And he does smoke an electric pen multiple times daily. He gets a very dreamy off-in-the-distance stare... I do the very same, but now I know what I look like when I unconsciously fall into my own thoughts lol

Anyway Mercury conjunct Mercury seems like a basic foundation for great communication - but in Pisces and with his in the 12th it's HARD. But it's also VERY romantic because his Moon seems more Mercurial than Taurean. Being in the 12th in Pisces matches my Piscean energy - an energy that is not tangible or understood, but he definitely feels - his words: "I am drawn to you. And I'm sure a lot of people are." I've never liked 12th house overlays. My Venus feels awkward and paranoid there, but I think he likes it?

Last... his Venus sextiles my Sun exactly. I know not a conjunction or an opposition, but it's felt.

He has the dreaded Moon square Venus. And by the puzzle that is my natal, I do exhibit both his moon and venus qualities. Uranus and Saturn in Sag are in my first house and sextile his Venus. I am a Scorpio rising. His Uranus is in the 8th in Sag, falls into my 1st. I know Uranus isn't a love planet, but sense it rules his Venus.... and yes, we are off/on. Like a plug that's pulled out of the wall socket, and then randomly forced back in. HAHA.

We have to work for it... but when we are together it feels nice. Never feels dull. And he often tells me how beautiful and cute I am to him. His progressed Venus is in Aries. My progressed Venus is in late Aries.

I've rambled enough - but thanks for replying Let me know if you need anything more to get a better idea?

posted December 27, 2018 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
Hello

I'm brand new around these parts, but I've been reading and absorbing all of the prime insight off of here since 2013 on the daily. This is not an exaggeration. I don't know what I would do without this community... I've learned so much about myself... And I'm excited to finally have a voice and share a little bit.

Could any of you please assist?

Just a little FYI: Neptune has been touring my Venus (swinging like a damn pendulum) for the past year or so. Since Neptune has been in retrograde - I've been able to view others and myself more clearly. But prior to: BLIND AS A BAT.

I have dated and be-friended scum and thought the world of them. Now that it's gone direct again, I'm paranoid that I'm still inhibited... having natal Venus in Pisces has been nothing short of exhausting. I have been used, abused, and taken advantage of more times than I can count. But I am not a victim. I was young and different then and did not understand that you do attract what you radiate. I've suffered from low self-esteem for most of my life. I am also a late-bloomer. I still see myself much different than others do. I have been stalked and obsessed over. But I have remained single. I'm 31, going on 32.

My progressed Moon in Scorpio is nearing it's end. It's about to cross over my Ascendant and move into Sagittarius. It's been an insanely painful 2 years. So much death, solitude, career changes, fluctuation in finances.... and yes soooo much sex lol

Anyway, this man (who I met in June of this year) scares the hell out me.... I rarely care for 7th house overlays, but his Moon in my 7th is nothing short of divine ... Never felt this way before - I feel supported but also vulnerable. We share a few powerful connections... I just can't figure out how or what he thinks of me without being biased. I have to be honest. I need to be. He's predominately air. I typical feel first think second, while he thinks and intellectualizes (and socializes) 24/7.

I have not be as trusting with him as I have been in the past. I just want to be absolutely sure he's not using that Libra Mars for "play" catch and release.

We both have commitment issues. Are driven work-a-holics. Love a good escape. We also have been battling for power (Pluto and Saturn... Saturn exhibits restraint and establishing stability - we started off extremely fast *URANUUUUS*, but Saturn slowed us down) and yes, confusion from Neptune - I don't take those aspects lightly at all. But with all that said. Everything went awry when transit Juno went retrograde. I haven't read much of anything about Juno retrogrades and how it can affect various stages of relationships.

Juno has played a huge role in ours (together and individually by transit).... and I'll get into that later... anyway, followed by Venus and then Mercury retrogrades - we took some massive steps back... and now we are in limbo. Haven't spoken or seen each other in nearly a month.

Now that Juno has gone stationary, I can't help but think about him and how much he means to me. And how giving up, might be a huge mistake.

SO.....

Who... feels more?

And is there long term potentional?

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posted December 27, 2018 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by comdoc:
Hello Hetshepsit. Overall synastry potential of 98% (9.8/10): glorious power together. Davison relationship chart potential is also 98% (9.8/10). This is a match made in heaven! There is long term potential. The only issue: are you both ready and willing? He feels more.

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Thank you :D

Do you mind elaborating a bit on why or how he could possibly feel more? He’s less sentimental than I am... but I just know I hit him in a deep way.

I’d appreciate a little breakdown of what you see/think, please?

posted December 27, 2018 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
Thank you, I appreciate at it! I didn't even think that you could see the aspects correctly... I cleaned up the charts a bit. Too many asteroids. My apologies - hope these are easier to view:

His Juno in Cap also conjuncts my Neptune in Cap, exact. For us, Neptune roams free (maybe a little too free).

The reason I say the Davison describes us best -- is we STAY at home and love to be home. He feels like family. And he is incredibly affectionate and romantic with me. He had just moved into his first (custom built) townhouse 2 weeks prior to meeting me. I also live alone in my own "bachelorette" apartment. We are obsessed with decorating and tech.

We have technically been on maybe 2 dates out. We just prefer to be at home, in a bubble. It's the ultimate escape. But it's also why I am so paranoid and weary I am not seeing him and us clearly. I don't want to feel like I am secret. But that's why I have pulled away. Pluto in the 3rd and Saturn in the 4th are felt. There's a deepness between us I can't explain. And there is a push to be authentic and go beyond our Libran tendency to tread carefully and avoid talking about hard things.

This past September, Juno hit our North Node in Taurus (which is also my exact descendant degree) - we talked about the future. Finances, Children, and what we both want from a partnership. He is AQUARIAN in love, to a T. He told me he is afraid of marriage and doesn't want to get married ever. His childhood was difficult. His father was married 7 times. His family was also split in half. His brothers went to live with his father. While he went to live with his mother and sisters. He's the youngest.

His father died in early September. He asked to spend time with me 3 days after the funeral. He casually told me during our conversation. They had a complicated relationship, and he cared for him in his final years before passing... and it's why I haven't pushed for commitment. I sense there's just so much happening inside him that he sweeps under the rug. He doesn't deal with emotions. But I found a slew of grief books scattered around his room.

At 36 going on 37, he's managed to avoid deeper commitment. He's Fire and Air. He's wild. Restless. But I feel and see how he's finally (inching toward) settling down.

He also asked for my resume and sent it off so he could get me a higher paying job with his tech company. That was huge for me, because his job is highly visible, and he's moving up quickly within in his company. I thought it was both odd and bold of him to risk his reputation for me (very 11th house of him - his 7th house planets fall into my 11th). His mars conjuncts my south node.

His Sun in Aries falls into my 5th, conjuncts my Jupiter and North Node.

I do activate his 7th house Ruler, Venus - NO it's not wham bam in your face conjunctions... I have had that and I felt NOTHING or it was one-sided attraction. But there's a fair share of hard and soft between us - but yea... I do think I feel more. So maybe this is a sign I should just stay away?

I don't know if you care for the Vertex or not - but that's the other large draw and why I think we keep coming back to each other... my Moon is 3 degrees applying to his Vertex, my Mercury is conjunct his anti-vertex. His north node conjuncts my Vertex.

My 7th house ruler is so funky. I have always felt it's more Mercury (Gemini) than Venus. I have a type - dark, tall and piercing eyes. I physically like fire men, with Scorpio qualities and intensity with an Aquarian mind/communication - this is what hooks me above everything - a man's intellect, knowledge and conversation. But he has to be real, and honest, and self-deprecating lol. We have to be able to laugh together. He definitely hits all these areas.

His Venus: Aqua in 11th ruled by Capricorn. His Saturn is in Libra opposite my Sun.

His Moon: Gemini in 2nd/3rd; Conjuncts my Mars and trines my Moon and falls into my 7th

His Moon is Gemini, in the 2nd in using Placidus - but the 3rd using whole signs. Being around him he vibes between both. He's very attached to his property (just like I am), but he handles the world like a true Gemini. He's always doing something with his hands. Mentally engaged at all times. I am the same way. I feel my Mars in Gemini colors my Sun qualities a lot. I talk with my hands and I'm very changeable and expressive. He made a point to tell me he loves how I use my hands and how I think.

The moon (Cancer) rules his 4th and 5th houses. Since his Moon is in Gemini, it's clear he wants a Mercurial kind of woman... and we have had the talk about commitment prior to things going off course with the retrogrades of Juno, Venus and then Mercury. But well - we aren't talking at all right now.

My 5th house ruler Mars conjuncts his Moon (rulers of his 4th/5th). I feel this the most. And he feels it too. He's tried to get me pregnant....

Our Mercuries are conjunct between 4th/12th. His Mercury falls in the 12th. This is his shadow side.... and the part that most others do not understand - but I do. It inhibits him in many ways. We don't do heavy drugs, but I do drink wine. And he does smoke an electric pen multiple times daily. He gets a very dreamy off-in-the-distance stare... I do the very same, but now I know what I look like when I unconsciously fall into my own thoughts lol

Anyway Mercury conjunct Mercury seems like a basic foundation for great communication - but in Pisces and with his in the 12th it's HARD. But it's also VERY romantic because his Moon seems more Mercurial than Taurean. Being in the 12th in Pisces matches my Piscean energy - an energy that is not tangible or understood, but he definitely feels - his words: "I am drawn to you. And I'm sure a lot of people are." I've never liked 12th house overlays. My Venus feels awkward and paranoid there, but I think he likes it?

Last... his Venus sextiles my Sun exactly. I know not a conjunction or an opposition, but it's felt.

He has the dreaded Moon square Venus. And by the puzzle that is my natal, I do exhibit both his moon and venus qualities. Uranus and Saturn in Sag are in my first house and sextile his Venus. I am a Scorpio rising. His Uranus is in the 8th in Sag, falls into my 1st. I know Uranus isn't a love planet, but sense it rules his Venus.... and yes, we are off/on. Like a plug that's pulled out of the wall socket, and then randomly forced back in. HAHA.

We have to work for it... but when we are together it feels nice. Never feels dull. And he often tells me how beautiful and cute I am to him. His progressed Venus is in Aries. My progressed Venus is in late Aries.

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You're right, I was really straining my eyes, lol. The table is very helpful but how come some of the orbs are so wide more than 10°? Anyway you do have lotsa nice aspects which tells me that you two relate to each other very well...just take note of the Neptune squares you have on each other which is also repeated in your Davison (Neptune square Sun/Mercury). A dose of reality is needed here.

Mercury in 12th can be difficult and I have it (LOL). We often hide our thoughts. But what has it gotta do with vices? I also noticed his natal Mercury squares Neptune just like yours? Do you often times have difficulty understanding each other? Or you both connect on an ethereal plane(haha)? I know Mercury conjunct Mercury is good for communication but I just wonder if this aspect will put a damper esp this seems to be a running theme in your charts.

Moon in Gemini definitely vibes the Mercurial energy, but Moon in 2nd house also means he values and can feel insecure over financial security and possessions. You said he's very attached to his property so there you go.. Moon being his 4th/5th house rulers and your Mars conjunct it will surely be felt by him. Moon contacts are important IMO because it represents what we feel safe.

Take a look at his Dsc ruler Libra ruled by Venus in Aqua in 11th house. He seeks these energies in a partner. You don't have personal planets in Libra but you do have Mars in 7th (Libra) house. His Venus having some aspects to your planets is helpful but it doesn't seem to be aspecting your relationship house rulers. However, you do have prominent Uranus & Saturn (rulers of Aqua) in your chart (trine Sun, square Moon/Mercury/Venus) so I believe he appreciates these energies in you.

In Davison, your Saturn/Venus in 4th house sit on the IC. I can totally understand when you say you guys always stay home as it's like your safe, private haven. His natal Moon in 2nd house probably loves it but your 10th house Moon needs visibility and doesn't like to feel "hidden". At the same time, Saturn in 4th can also bring difficulties in creating a home together (not saying it's not possible) and what you've described is already suggesting that.

I found this interp online. Sounds familiar to your case?
"You can find it difficult to create the kind of life together that you envision, and may have different ideas of what that means. "

Another says: "This couple may have brought many fears and limiting beliefs from their families of origin to the relationship." - which kinda sounds like him?

But Saturn is mature and resilient so if both of you are willing to work on it, it can work.

Saturn square Moon in Davison can create emotional distance but with Pluto there, I think it can make up for whatever "coldness", lol. It can also be sometimes you're intensely possessive/controlling; at other times emotionally disconnected. Moon in 6th house means issues could be revolving around daily matters (work, chores, obligations). This will probably be visible only when you live together. I can imagine if both are too career-driven (which you seem to suggest in your OP), this can be an issue.

The Davison Sun conjuncts his 7th house Mars exact so I believe this r/s definitely hits him.

I don't think you should give him up yet. There's no perfect relationship. Perhaps you both need some downtime now. I don't know how your last conversation ended but if you feel hopeful, you should pick this up with him again. Anyway, I never believe in comparing who loves more in a relationship because it will be a never-ending competition.

Sorry, I'm not an expert yet in reading charts but hope I've helped. All the best!

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
Sexually, it's been the most satisfying I've ever experienced with anyone. And I want to have a family with him. When Venus was in Scorpio, he wouldn't leave me alone lol.

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And I noticed you have Mars trine Mars. I always love Mars-Mars in Synastry. I've experienced the trine and yes, it was lovely. Mars opp Uranus also adds excitement to your sexual expressions.

posted December 28, 2018 07:58 AM            

Not just because your insight is spot on - it means so much for you to take the time to explain in depth.... everything you described is exactly what we've experienced.

And I agree that "who feels more" is unfair and a bit misguided. But I have been SO confused and lead on before (I used to overly idealize my partners... and I can form and bend to their way of life), and I have worked hard to hold onto my individuality this time around. This relationship has taught me so much about myself in such a short span of time... I love who I am with him. And I feel he pulls me forward (My North Node on his Sun).

YES lol, those Neptune squares have added to our communication issues - but I don't sense that we idealize each other in an unhealthy way. I see his flaws very clearly - and I think he sees mine too. But there is this air of forgivness and honest acceptance from Neptune. And I think (well hope), all the support from Saturn tempers Neptune's influence or at least keeps us consistently aware to fight for truth and reality over deception and fantasy.

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
And I noticed you have Mars trine Mars. I always love Mars-Mars in Synastry. I've experienced the trine and yes, it was lovely. Mars opp Uranus also adds excitement to your sexual expressions.

You also have Moon-Mars conjunct DW so this wanting to get pregnant thing is definite, LOL. Heard so much about this aspect.

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The Mars trine Mars is sooooooo good. Typically my Mars was either unaspacted by or in square to a lovers Mars or Venus.... it would be hot, but never fulfilling for me at least. It's like finally, I understand! Sexually he just knows what I like, and we are so in tune and connected. I have read that this a specific Libra Mars skill, to really know and please their partners... in the beginning yes, but now - it's very personal and intimate, and deep.

His Moon on my Mars and distantly my Moon on his Mars - it's incredible. Addictive. Emotional. Spiritual. UGH. So good. It's funny being the Mars.... I am more like the Moon. He's 98% of the time the aggressor. I feel his Pluto in Libra has something to do with that as well. In our progressed synastry, it opposes my progressed Venus in Aries, exactly. IT IS FELT. We have both admitted that there is an obsessive quality between us.

Going back to your points about our Mercury square Neptune in natal - YES! It's as if we speak the same language, but in different dialects. We misread eachother all the time. I have also let my imagination completely make up scenarios that just were not true (In example, I thought he was seeing someone else more seriously - and this person was slowly moving into his bathroom and closet... and that I must be some kind of side chick - I was convinced! It turns out, it was his mother's stuff.... she house sits for him and looks after 2 cats when he’s out of town for business) we talked about it, but I realized how far Neptune could go in the opposite direction of idealism. But this is likely also my Pluto in Scorpio, which fallls into his 7th lol. She's crazy!) The lesson from this is we have to TALK in person. And we have to remain honest and open to our feelings and th thoughts.

Our texting game is so bad lol. We are very sweet, never crude, but we don't rely on texting - which I love. We mainly text to check in, or to setup dates. But talking face to face is our strength.

I LOVE your view of our Saturn in the 4th in Davison. I cannot stress enough how accurate both of those interpretations are. But I remember seeing our Davison for the first time... it only confirmed that I felt he was my "Saturn Return's Promise" lol. I saw him coming into my life more than a year ago. I started studying my Lunar Return charts last year. They've been accurate.

Also, my upcoming Solar Return is very telling - It shows that I will be deeply involved and finally committed to someone I already know. Possibly, a life-changing year. Having my natal Sun in the 5th - I have noticed that my Solar Returns are distinctly true. So I’m trying to remain focused and just take one day and time with him. I don’t want to give up. I feel this r/s is significant for us both.

I love our Saturn (especially in Scorpio). It's like a steady passion. And with Venus there, I do feel it's possible to grow into a deep lasting commitment, that's fulfilling and rich.

Your insight about my Moon in the 10th vs His Moon in 2nd (My father is Taurus Sun, my mother is a Taurus Moon - they love being at home) could not be more true... I do want us to be more public. But as long as I know he's invested in me and our relationship, I am ok to stay home. I just have trauma from a 12th house Davison Sun relationship... and I was finding myself often comparing my past experience with that nightmare situation to what we have. I see now that wasn't fair -

BUUUUUT

I agree about our Moon in the 6th in Davison. There needs to be a bit of compromise in this area. He's more scattered than I am. I'm very tidy (Virgo!) and everything has it's place. I also always have the essentials in bulk (trash bags, toilet paper, water). He can sometimes forget and just get by without. But he is a health nut like me. He in fact had his own business - a health line of vitamins. He has a packed 6th house in his progressed chart. I like to think I can help him (lol) to keep these daily tasks and details in order. Ideally, I want to work from home.

With his Venus in Aqua, he will always be out in the world. He works for a corporate Tech company. We also met through a dating app! He travels a lot, and I think if we do end up together... this won't change. And I am very much ok with that. My Juno expects this lol.

Btw, his Sun opposes his Mars. I never like to make excuses for a guy's actions (or lack of) - but he does tend to swing between being assertive, and being passive. He's admitted this to me, but me being me lol, I kind of loath having to reassure him at times that I am interested. I think it's OBVIOUS I am, but I guess my strong Uranian qualities keep him guessing. I tend to disappear on him, act aloof. But we both need room to be ourselves and have our own lives. HOWEVER, I do want a little more blending... it's something I hope to discuss.

So anyway.... I ended up contacting him last night. He was so happy to hear from me.

He wants us to cook dinner at home... or go out for dinner

posted December 28, 2018 10:03 AM            

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Thank you

Do you mind elaborating a bit on why or how he could possibly feel more? He’s less sentimental than I am... but I just know I hit him in a deep way.

I’d appreciate a little breakdown of what you see/think, please?

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posted December 28, 2018 01:22 PM            

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His Cancer IC is ruled by his Gemini Moon which is angular in your 7th House and oppose your powerful Pallas conjunct your ASC. Your powerful Gemini Mars conjunct his Moon. His Moon's North Node is conjunct your 8th House Vertex. Net result is that he feels you intensely.

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Thank you

I noticed this myself, but again I can’t stomach the possibility of trying to see connections that really aren’t there - BUT glad I’m not crazy. This makes me happy yes, I think you’re right.

posted December 29, 2018 04:57 PM            

interesting composite because the favorable aspects also have unfavorable elements atthe same time.

the pros are the juno/jupiter conjunction opposed to the moon on the ascendant with the eros/pyche midpoint conjunct to the moon.
this is a favorable long-term pattern as it unites commitment with strong romantic felines.
then venus is square the the node which shows a very strong physical/emotional attraction.
these two pattern would usually signify a successful relationship but....

the cons. pluto is square to the juno/jupiter conjunction et.al.this shows there is an underlying selfish ambition.personal achievement is stronger than emotional devotion.pluto square to jupiter is usually a game breaker in the long run .
then venus is square chiron. this is a very difficult aspect because it shows a tendency for excess criticism. positively this conjunction show an intense intimate understanding of each others emotional feelings and responses. this aspect can bring you very close, but when things are not going smoothly,the criticism of each other can be devastating as you each others deepest strength and weakness.
thye south node is currently passing through the juno/Jupiter conjunction so if the relationship was going to consolidate, you and he would be very close right now. but as this transit is correlated with distress, the overview is not favorable for the long-term

posted December 29, 2018 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Hi Hetshepsit

I feel sooo happy for you! I hope to receive your e-wedding invite soon. Lol

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LOL!! If anything, you should expect a baby shower e-invite from me

posted December 29, 2018 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
hi Hetshepsit

interesting composite because the favorable aspects also have unfavorable elements atthe same time.

the pros are the juno/jupiter conjunction opposed to the moon on the ascendant with the eros/pyche midpoint conjunct to the moon.
this is a favorable long-term pattern as it unites commitment with strong romantic felines.
then venus is square the the node which shows a very strong physical/emotional attraction.
these two pattern would usually signify a successful relationship but....

the cons. pluto is square to the juno/jupiter conjunction et.al.this shows there is an underlying selfish ambition.personal achievement is stronger than emotional devotion.pluto square to jupiter is usually a game breaker in the long run .
then venus is square chiron. this is a very difficult aspect because it shows a tendency for excess criticism. positively this conjunction show an intense intimate understanding of each others emotional feelings and responses. this aspect can bring you very close, but when things are not going smoothly,the criticism of each other can be devastating as you each others deepest strength and weakness.
thye south node is currently passing through the juno/Jupiter conjunction so if the relationship was going to consolidate, you and he would be very close right now. but as this transit is correlated with distress, the overview is not favorable for the long-term

todd

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Thank you, Todd! I always love reading your posts/replies. If anything, I greatly appreciate your honest analysis.

But, I don't ever resonate or feel connected to the composite chart. I do not know what it is about me, but my composite is always strikingly different than the Davison chart. I have run charts of friends, family and even my own parents - and typically the Composite and Davison are fairly similar. But mine never are.

My current guy and I live out the Davison. We act like Libras together, and the Moon in Aqua in the 6th couldn't be more accurate. The neediness and "exuberance" of a Leo moon doesn't really fit us emotionally. We intelleculaize our feelings and put our individuality before our relationship. Co-dependency isn't an option for us. Aqua on the 7th house cusp fits us like a glove. Together we have warm presence that commands attention (Leo ascendant), and we are loved by many... but we're not at all conventional. We've broken all the "traditional" dating rules. We're molding a relationship in our own way. And I've grown to love it

Just an FYI:

My last relationship had a packed 7th (7th house Sun conjunct Venus and Mercury) and 8th house (Moon, Mars, Vertex and Chiron) composite. Scorpio Rising.

But the Davison.... 12th house Sun, conjunct ascendant. 12th house Juno and Jupiter. Venus and Mercury conjunct Chiron in 1st, opposite Saturn and Uranus in 7th. Moon and Neptune in 8th. Gemini Rising.

Guess which chart actually manifested? I trapped myself in a 4 year secret affair. I was blindly in lust. He lied to me every step of the way. He had a live in girlfriend and baby. We texted everyday, all day for four years (Mercury!). Saw each other occasionally. But that was it. You can't live a life or grow a relationship over text...

Though his girlfriend had him physically - He became emotionally dependent on me.

That packed 7th house composite was a joke. We never dated. We were sexually involved - but it was unrequited. The Davison aspects were dead on - it opened my eyes. I still look back and wonder why I wanted him to love me so badly?

So, I personally don't place too much weight on my own composite charts. But I do see what you mean - and it's constructive to know what challenges we my face if the composite does come into play.

posted December 30, 2018 11:37 AM            

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I personally don't place too much weight on my own composite charts.

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I have been having a headache over whether to rely on our composite or davison... but I definitely think our Davison Mars in 3rd sounds more like us than Composite Mars in 11th.

posted December 30, 2018 12:03 PM            

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I have been having a headache over whether to rely on our composite or davison... but I definitely think our Davison Mars in 3rd sounds more like us than Composite Mars in 11th.

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I think you have to feel out and vibe with the aspects - and be honest with yourself.

For me, I find the composite to be grossly unreliable. BUT I think it depends on the individuals involved. Like I mentioned above - I often find the composite and Davison to be basically the same, with little differences between a majority of couples I've studied.

But mine are always polarized. The big themes may be present, but overall I find the Davison straight forward and honest - and hell of a lot more accurate for me and my relationships. And you have to take into account that the Davison is happening in real-time and space.

posted December 30, 2018 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
I think you have to feel out and vibe with the aspects - and be honest with yourself.

For me, I find the composite to be grossly unreliable. BUT I think it depends on the individuals involved. Like I mentioned above - I often find the composite and Davison to be basically the same, with little differences between a majority of couples I've studied.

But mine are always polarized. The big themes may be present, but overall I find the Davison straight forward and honest - and hell of a lot more accurate for me and my relationships. And you have to take into account that the Davison is happening in real-time and space.

The composite is an idea. The Davison is more grounded in reality. But I think it is important to study both for what sticks out / parallels.

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posted December 30, 2018 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Quite a fair bit of similarities between our 2 charts but some aspects in Composite do not appear in Davison and these are quite major ones. I don't quite feel some so I don't know if it's because the aspects haven't played out or what. E.g. in Composite we have the nasty Saturn square Mars and Uranus opp Mars but in Davison it is Uranus sextile Mars. No Saturn-Mars aspect.

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Energies tend to manifest after 1-3 months if you're actively involved. So, if you've been seeing eachother for longer than 3 months... and those energies don't seem present or fitting - you have your answer on which chart may be more in tune with your relationship.

You're welcome to high jack this post and post both of your charts! I want to see

Do you have intimacy issues with him? Or is there a healthy dose of sexual excitement and stimulation?

posted December 30, 2018 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
Energies tend to manifest after 1-3 months if you're actively involved. So, if you've been seeing eachother for longer than 3 months... and those energies don't seem present or fitting - you have your answer on which chart may be more in tune with your relationship.

You're welcome to high jack this post and post both of your charts! I want to see

Do you have intimacy issues with him? Or is there a healthy dose of sexual excitement and stimulation?

Are you on/off with him?

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We've been meeting almost every week for the last 7mths and we're very sexually attracted. In fact, I'm sometimes worried this is only what's keeping him. We don't clash like what Saturn-Mars indicates. Our clashes are more like what Mars in 3rd house (Davison) says - "This Mars is open to sexual exploration and needs a lot of mental stimulation. Couples here will need to be intellectually engaged with each other. Anger is expressed through irritation and frustration that quickly dissipates." I read somewhere it also says couple with Mars in 3rd gets turned on during their fiery exchanges and often end up having makeup sex and this is what we always do! We'll argue one minute and be touching/kissing the next.

As for being on/off, I broke up with him once (for 2 weeks) but we reconciled the moment we saw each other again (the sexual attraction was too strong). But there is some element of instability due to external factors.

Composite

posted December 30, 2018 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
We've been meeting almost every week for the last 7mths and we're very sexually attracted. In fact, I'm sometimes worried this is only what's keeping him. We don't clash like what Saturn-Mars indicates. Our clashes are more like what Mars in 3rd house (Davison) says - "This Mars is open to sexual exploration and needs a lot of mental stimulation. Couples here will need to be intellectually engaged with each other. Anger is expressed through irritation and frustration that quickly dissipates." I read somewhere it also says couple with Mars in 3rd gets turned on during their fiery exchanges and often end up having makeup sex and this is what we always do! We'll argue one minute and be touching/kissing the next.

As for being on/off, I broke up with him once (for 2 weeks) but we reconciled the moment we saw each other again (the sexual attraction was too strong). But there is some element of instability due to external factors.

Composite

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I see exactly why you resonate with Mars in the 3rd, instead of square Saturn and opposite Uranus in the composite. Either way, it's clear sexuality begins in the mind and arousal/sexual intimacy is sparked by your intellectual connection. The Davison isn't too different from your composite. It's best to examine both for clues on what's occurring between the two of you.

My personal theory: My natal chart is such a hot mess - and I tend to attract difficult men with strong Uranus, Neptune, Saturn, Pluto - and Gemini - so there are always two sides to my relationships. An ideal (Composite) vs reality (Davison). I have to rely on Davison. But you don't have to choose - always cast and read both!

What does strike me is the lack of Saturn....Saturn is glue, and will slow down and solidify a fated relationship. Commitment is a Saturn matter.... but this seems like a Uranus ruled affair - Uranus in the 5th causes the "love and fun" to see-saw. Off/On energy that comes and goes... but it's just fun and exciting. Never boring.

Are you dating him formally or is this a "label-free" love connection? The Sun in the 1st adds to the sexual expression - and you are visible or known in someway.

The Rising sign in Gemini is mutable Air. Your connection again is based on all forms of communication (texting, technology, pop culture, politics - whatever mentally engages you both) and discovery.

Typically, a mutable Ascendant Composite or Davison is best suited for friendships rather than romantic relationships.

Why?

posted December 31, 2018 12:36 AM            

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Now I see why you've been having difficulty deciding which chart best describes your relationship! Yours is a perfect example of what I mean by both charts being typically the same for most - in your case I think it's best to look at both charts. Do you ever apply transits to see what planets are affecting and coloring your relationship?

I see exactly why you resonate with Mars in the 3rd, instead of square Saturn and opposite Uranus in the composite. Either way, it's clear sexuality begins in the mind and arousal/sexual intimacy is sparked by your intellectual connection. The Davison isn't too different from your composite. It's best to examine both for clues on what's occurring between the two of you.

My personal theory: My natal chart is such a hot mess - and I tend to attract difficult men with strong Uranus, Neptune, Saturn, Pluto - and Gemini - so there are always two sides to my relationships. An ideal (Composite) vs reality (Davison). I have to rely on Davison. But you don't have to choose - always cast and read both!

What does strike me is the lack of Saturn....Saturn is glue, and will slow down and solidify a fated relationship. Commitment is a Saturn matter.... but this seems like a Uranus ruled affair - Uranus in the 5th causes the "love and fun" to see-saw. Off/On energy that comes and goes... but it's just fun and exciting. Never boring.

Are you dating him formally or is this a "label-free" love connection? The Sun in the 1st adds to the sexual expression - and you are visible or known in someway.

The Rising sign in Gemini is mutable Air. Your connection again is based on all forms of communication (texting, technology, pop culture, politics - whatever mentally engages you both) and discovery.

Typically, a mutable Ascendant Composite or Davison is best suited for friendships rather than romantic relationships.

Why?

Because you're ever changing and influenced by outside sources - it can be difficult to become stable and committed. There are too many distractions and things to explore outside of the relationship. Saturn contacts to the Sun, Moon and or Venus - And/Or if Saturn is positioned in the 1st or 7th house and not afflicted = potential for longevity and stability. Without enough glue and a feeling of responsibility from Saturn - space and "lightness" (no pressure) is valued and required for the relationship to continue. If either of your become too demanding - the fun will die out / one of you or both of you could grow bored or turned off and pull away.

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Strange becos I feel more committed to him than past relationships that have Saturn in composites. One of them was short-lived. No glue despite Saturn. In synastry my guy and I have a few Saturn contacts including Moon-Saturn DW and both our Saturns square one another's chart rulers.

We're still not official but we are emotionally committed. We feel attached to each other. We're not in an open relationship if that's what you mean by "label-free".

One main reason I feel so much for this relationship is becos I love the intellectual connection we have as Mercury is my chart ruler and he has Moon his chart ruler in 3rd house and it falls in my 5th conjunct my Pluto. Plus those Pluto squares in Composite... We don't feel "casual" even if we try to. I've never felt more connected on mental/emotional levels. I don't know how to best describe what we have. It feels free and stimulating yet we feel so emotional and close esp when we're alone and we love those moments.

I know Uranus have a bad rep but I wonder if it can work for some? I've Sun opposite Uranus and my Dsc is Jupiter which rules 9th house in Aqua. He also has a few Uranus aspects in Natal and it rules his 8th house. The Gem Asc describes us... we're very sociable and always surrounded by friends. I can understand why you say it suits friendships better and it's true friendship element is strong in us. As a Gem Venus/Asc myself I actually need that in my love relationship. I need to be friends with my partners and have that mental connection first. But we have a Cancer stellium + Scorpio Moon so our emotional connection feels very real.

posted December 31, 2018 06:51 AM            

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^^ Looking at applying aspects, transit Saturn is currently passing through our Davison 7th house now opposing Sun and sextile Moon at 3deg. Saturn is testing our bond now..We've been relating more seriously and it feels like we're breaking up like we're going nowhere.. esp for me I can't leave things in limbo...yet at the same time I feel our bond getting stronger.. we both know a separation now will hurt us both. He says he will never be able to forget me. But this feeling could also be caused by transit Neptune which is also forming exact trines to Sun/Moon and a wide trine to Venus.

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:

Now I see why you've been having difficulty deciding which chart best describes your relationship! Yours is a perfect example of what I mean by both charts being typically the same for most - in your case I think it's best to look at both charts. Do you ever apply transits to see what planets are affecting and coloring your relationship?

I see exactly why you resonate with Mars in the 3rd, instead of square Saturn and opposite Uranus in the composite. Either way, it's clear sexuality begins in the mind and arousal/sexual intimacy is sparked by your intellectual connection. The Davison isn't too different from your composite. It's best to examine both for clues on what's occurring between the two of you.

My personal theory: My natal chart is such a hot mess - and I tend to attract difficult men with strong Uranus, Neptune, Saturn, Pluto - and Gemini - so there are always two sides to my relationships. An ideal (Composite) vs reality (Davison). I have to rely on Davison. But you don't have to choose - always cast and read both!

What does strike me is the lack of Saturn....Saturn is glue, and will slow down and solidify a fated relationship. Commitment is a Saturn matter.... but this seems like a Uranus ruled affair - Uranus in the 5th causes the "love and fun" to see-saw. Off/On energy that comes and goes... but it's just fun and exciting. Never boring.

Are you dating him formally or is this a "label-free" love connection? The Sun in the 1st adds to the sexual expression - and you are visible or known in someway.

The Rising sign in Gemini is mutable Air. Your connection again is based on all forms of communication (texting, technology, pop culture, politics - whatever mentally engages you both) and discovery.

Typically, a mutable Ascendant Composite or Davison is best suited for friendships rather than romantic relationships.

Why?

Because you're ever changing and influenced by outside sources - it can be difficult to become stable and committed. There are too many distractions and things to explore outside of the relationship. Saturn contacts to the Sun, Moon and or Venus - And/Or if Saturn is positioned in the 1st or 7th house and not afflicted = potential for longevity and stability. Without enough glue and a feeling of responsibility from Saturn - space and "lightness" (no pressure) is valued and required for the relationship to continue. If either of your become too demanding - the fun will die out / one of you or both of you could grow bored or turned off and pull away.

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Strange becos I feel more committed to him than past relationships that have Saturn in composites. One of them was short-lived. No glue despite Saturn. In synastry my guy and I have a few Saturn contacts including Moon-Saturn DW and both our Saturns square one another's chart rulers.

We're still not official but we are emotionally committed. We feel attached to each other. We're not in an open relationship if that's what you mean by "label-free".

One main reason I feel so much for this relationship is becos I love the intellectual connection we have as Mercury is my chart ruler and he has Moon his chart ruler in 3rd house and it falls in my 5th conjunct my Pluto. Plus those Pluto squares in Composite... We don't feel "casual" even if we try to. I've never felt more connected on mental/emotional levels. I don't know how to best describe what we have. It feels free and stimulating yet we feel so emotional and close esp when we're alone and we love those moments.

I know Uranus have a bad rep but I wonder if it can work for some? I've Sun opposite Uranus and my Dsc is Jupiter which rules 9th house in Aqua. He also has a few Uranus aspects in Natal and it rules his 8th house. The Gem Asc describes us... we're very sociable and always surrounded by friends. I can understand why you say it suits friendships better and it's true friendship element is strong in us. As a Gem Venus/Asc myself I actually need that in my love relationship. I need to be friends with my partners and have that mental connection first. But we have a Cancer stellium + Scorpio Moon so our emotional connection feels very real.

I tend to disagree that composite Asc in mutable signs are more suited for friendships. My parents also have composite Asc in Gem. It makes a couple appear "not close" to outsiders but it may not be true. My friend also has a mutable Asc with her bf and her ex husband.

I have to be honest with you - your relationship with him sounds exactly like mine with my (former) best guy friend.

We were emotionally committed. Moon conjunct Saturn. I have never felt closer to anyone. It was painful, but I swore we'd one day marry. I couldn't imagine myself with anyone else.

We also share an EXACT Sun/Moon conjunction in Aries in synastry. I fell in love with him at first sight... I swore he was and is my twin flame. I also can "hear and feel him."

He is actually the reason I am here today. I found astrology when I found him. He was my gateway/muse. Once my Mars in Gemini is intrigued by a subject (more like becomes obsessed) I devour and absorb any and everything. I learned astrology by reading and studying for endless hours in less than 3 months. He became my guinea pig (with his permission of course), to learn his charts and our charts backwards and forwards in order to see and theorize how Astrology has a variable effect and isn't an exact "size-fits all" - and how aspects and chemistry aren't always enough - there are patterns and everyone is unique - but some respond differently than others.

Our Composite:

Our Davison:

According to our composite (with the exception of Vertex in 8th) - we should have dated or hell got married by now. But we never did.

I didn't know what a Davison chart was for a good year or so after I started learning astrology.... but then I read into it on here and cast our chart. I was devastated. I couldn't understand why our Davison chart was so strikingly different: Sun in the 12th?! Juno in the 12th?! Uranus conjunct Saturn in the 7th?! And the oppositions!!! OH MY GOD, I had a meltdown.

But it was true. It was all the details and nuances between us that I didn't see at all in our composite or synastry.

I thought, I was certain he was my soul mate. The first time I saw him, I saw him bathed in bright light.I could hardly look directly at him. I recognized his soul - and I swore I said to myself "that's my husband."

Now I realize, maybe he's my former spouse lmao - but NO WAY IN HELL, in this life!

Anyway, I ended things with him after 5 years, just about 3 weeks ago. YES. 3 weeks ago. I can't bring him into 2019.

No our charts are not exactly the same - I am not trying to compare my situation to yours - I haven't seen your synastry.... but yes I agree: Moon conjunct Saturn is incredible. But from my personal experience it is not enough. Well it was not enough for us.

I know exactly what you're going through (Saturn was transiting out 7th) - but unless he makes a point to discuss commitment and calls you his girlfriend publicly - you are not committed. You are still just beginning to see each other - but, I am saying this as a warning. I am saying this to keep you aware. I just don't want you INVESTING and wasting your feelings and time if you both don't take that step and make it real. Please understand I do hope you give each other the opportunity to love and build as a couple - but if that doesn't happen, or it seems like someone else or something else gets in the way - you'll know why.

I believed for years that my guy loved me and just couldn't handle his feelings (due to our oppositions, I think he does now, while my feelings have waned/died). He's a Venus in Virgo, 10th house. He acts like a Venus in Cap. Either way, Virgo Venus do have tendency to borrow themes from it's opposite (Venus in Pisces) and harboring love feelings + self-sacrifice is a right of passage. I'm a Virgo Moon. We just click. I understand him... but this guy has extreme man-pain and delusions.

Neptune is transiting his 5th house in Pisces. He's been a an absolute mess... and he sucked me into his watery abyss. I had Neptune on my Venus - and I just couldn't see what was really going on. I was super confused and idealistic - why and how did I feel so strongly and sure what we had was true love? He would never hurt me. Why would he every lie to me?

He did. And he DID. Over and over.

Although we had Saturn contacts - they were mainly from my side - and they weren't fairly strong.

Saturn isn't always going to keep two people together - especially if you're not compatible - but mutual (double whammy), harmonious and/or hard Saturn contacts are an essential base to keep you both FIGHTING to be together. It feels comfortable to commit and to stay together for at least a few years. There's no way around it. I have lived it.

I would see this guy once or twice a week. It was insanely sexual. We texted EVERYDAY for 5 years. Our Gemini Rising was spot on. We'd flit from one subject to other - and we'd turn each other on by talking explicitly about sex and fantasies.

Yet he got another girl pregnant. I had an inkling they would move in together. He told me, swore he would never live with her.

He bought a house an hour away, and moved in with her and their infant son on October of 2017. I should of left the relationship then and there - but I just couldn't let him go (Saturn conjunct Moon Davison). Also Saturn was transiting our 7th house in Davison. Saturn is now transiting our 8th house, and hovering on our Moon.

I couldn't take it anymore. Our "relationship" had become 2 dimensional. Relying on texting and videos - he rarely can see me now since his "default girlfriend" (his cold words) a Capricorn Sun conjunct Neptune, is psychic - she once (this past March) found me with little to no information through social media and threatened me. She wasn't even sure it was me, but she took her shot.

What did he do? He told her she was crazy to her face - and that I was no one, and she was imagining things.

That sobered me up, but it took me this entire year to disengage emotionally from our 'friendship.' I can never meet his son. I am a threat. We cannot be friends - since I am involved with someone I have grown to love, it would also be emotional cheating if we remained texting friends.

My guy friend doesn't understand this. He kept repeating that he's not bitter (oh he's bitter), but he doesn't see his guy friends all the time so it's not a big deal. He has strong Uranus - and also the North Node of his Moon is in Aquarius.

HE'S SO DELUSIONAL THOUGH. Oh, but we have sex and talk about sex - that's the difference. We cannot be seen in public together, ever, either. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

And when you mention - that what you have is not an open relationship - I know, I didn't mean that.

By label-less, I mean if you haven't had an open conversation about defining the relationship. When the bond feels so strong, it's easy to think labels aren't important... it's easy to think you're above labels and willing to just let things develop naturally without "forcing" anything. That's Uranian. Aquarian.

If it's Saturn, Saturn NEEDS to know what you are. Saturn sees your value and wants to lock it down. Is it warm? Not always -my best guy friend and his "girlfriend" share Saturn squares at 0 degrees to Sun, Moon, and Venus in their Composite and Davison. They live together and are active in their community. He fakes his love for her. No it's not ideal or right (it's insanely karmic though!), but I had to accept that he IS committed to her and their son. I have his heart (Moon), but that's not enough. I do not have him physically.

You're either together (as a girlfriend/fiancé/wife or life partner) or you are not together. Saturn needs labels and clear definition. Uranus isn't a fan of them since it's a limitation.

And I honestly think for me personally, Saturn wouldn't allow me to have both a boyfriend (my current guy), and my guy friend. I had to make a choice. I had to sacrifice one. Honestly, it wasn't easy, but Saturn takes away what isn't good for you whether you like it or not. I am thankful for Saturn.

My relationship with my guy friend held me back emotionally from moving on. I even dated a man for a few months back in 2016 - he committed to me - but I never truly committed to him because I was still in love with my best guy friend.

I promised myself if I ever met someone new that gave me everything I needed, I would cut my best guy friend off. Painful as hell, but I did it.

posted December 31, 2018 08:12 AM            

We've talked about our relationship a few times... We're not oblivious to our problems. There are circumstances causing blockages which I can't disclose here but when I say we're emotionally committed, I mean we promise we're not seeing others and taking each other for a ride.

posted December 31, 2018 08:50 AM            

The Neptune aspects are the cause of those deception and disappointments. In the end you feel that this love is a dream. Hard Saturn aspects are very difficult to deal with IME (I had the squares with my first ex. Short lived and friction all the time) plus you don't have any Jupiter to bring joy so it's all just obligations, heaviness. Plus heavy Chiron... Painful. Moon conj Saturn is glue and if you add a lot of happy/loving aspects (Jupiter, Sun/Venus, Moon/Venus) it's happy glue. If you add hard neptune/Uranus, it's painful glue.

posted December 31, 2018 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
^ I looked at your Davison with your ex...those are quite a lot of challenges from the outer planets plus a stellium in Gemini, not just your Asc. The relationship feels very intellectual, active to me. No wonder you emphasize on the friendship aspect.

The Neptune aspects are the cause of those deception and disappointments. In the end you feel that this love is a dream. Hard Saturn aspects are very difficult to deal with IME (I had the squares with my first ex. Short lived and friction all the time) plus you don't have any Jupiter to bring joy so it's all just obligations, heaviness. Plus heavy Chiron... Painful. Moon conj Saturn is glue and if you add a lot of happy/loving aspects (Jupiter, Sun/Venus, Moon/Venus) it's happy glue. If you add hard neptune/Uranus, it's painful glue.

Sun in 12th can work actually. My friend who has mutable Asc has it with her bf and ex husband.

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Bingo. The lack of Jupiter and Neptune killed “us”

But I needed him and he needed me. He was a large part of my Saturn return. He helped me to really look at myself regarding how I tend to lose my sense of self and worth within a relationship.

Despite all the negative **** between us - he did encourage my independence. I moved out of my parents in the fall of 2017. That changed my life path for sure.

But overall, I am greatful for what this relationship brought to light - the pain (Chiron) was so real and so healing. I walked away truly valuing myself and seeing what I needed to do (and be) to attract healthy relationships.

We were extremely Plutonian as well. He has Pluto in his 1st house. He’s a Leo - but it squares his Sun exactly. So he had a darker appearance/moodiness that I found very irresistible and sexxxxy.

But I’m so happy you and your guy have an honest agreement. My guy friend and I did too - but Neptune dissolved and allowed deception to seep in.

But giiiirl, enjoy yourself. Pluto energy is vital for me, so I totally understand what you mean. It’s how I get hooked, and why I stay ;)

Happy New Year - and keep me updated!

I have to ask - Do you reaonate with your Solar Returns / read your Solar Returns?? I would like to look at yours for the upcoming year (or current year if you have a late birthday).

My 2019 solar return is INSANE. I need someone to take a look and give me a second opinion lol... I don’t trust myself lol