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posted January 07, 2019 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is moon/moon a soul mate connection?

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posted January 08, 2019 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 08, 2019 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Possibly. Could be even more so if it took place in a water house. Or if Moon was also aspecting Pluto or Neptune.

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posted January 09, 2019 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say so! Not necessarily a romantic one, but I'd say someone who can really connect to your soul.

I've had Moon/Moon conjunction in synastry a number of times! Most notably with my Mother (though it's an out of sign conjunction, still very close).

I find that it is a beautiful feeling of familiarity, and that the emotional state is very similar- you can understand each other very well empathically!

However it can be messy as there can be a lot of attachment and 'loss' of emotional boundaries, since it's like pouring two buckets of water (emotion) into one big bucket! It can be hard to tell who is feeling what, and can need a lot of conscious communication!

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posted January 09, 2019 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What orb would you use for this, considering they’re luminaries?

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posted January 09, 2019 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
What orb would you use for this, considering they’re luminaries?

I would personally use up to 12 degrees, but even in-sign only I have felt connection to, as the moon is so quick in movement.

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posted January 10, 2019 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by implosions:
I would say so! Not necessarily a romantic one, but I'd say someone who can really connect to your soul.

I've had Moon/Moon conjunction in synastry a number of times! Most notably with my Mother (though it's an out of sign conjunction, still very close).

I find that it is a beautiful feeling of familiarity, and that the emotional state is very similar- you can understand each other very well empathically!

However it can be messy as there can be a lot of attachment and 'loss' of emotional boundaries, since it's like pouring two buckets of water (emotion) into one big bucket! It can be hard to tell who is feeling what, and can need a lot of conscious communication!


wow, this is very true! there is a strong connection and super similarities! seems like we're the same person lol

We met when he was 15 and i was 22. we're currently not in speaking terms due to him being emotionally and verbally abusive. ..... he has narcissistic traits. so it's something that i cannot tolerate!

he would tell me he's not attracted to me even though he was after me for months, called everyday 20 x etc.

he just dumped alot of his unprocess issues onto me. is this what moon/moon conjuntion is?


here's our chart. same moon in libra. i'm blue, he's red


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posted January 10, 2019 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Possibly. Could be even more so if it took place in a water house. Or if Moon was also aspecting Pluto or Neptune.

his moon is conj my pluto
my neptune is sq his pluto

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posted January 10, 2019 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi Randall,

Is there a way we can search past posts from myself?

I wanted to pull up a reading Aubyanne did for me a few years back though

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posted January 10, 2019 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
wow, this is very true! there is a strong connection and super similarities! seems like we're the same person lol

We met when he was 15 and i was 22. we're currently not in speaking terms due to him being emotionally and verbally abusive. ..... he has narcissistic traits. so it's something that i cannot tolerate!

he would tell me he's not attracted to me even though he was after me for months, called everyday 20 x etc.

he just dumped alot of his unprocess issues onto me. is this what moon/moon conjuntion is?


here's our chart. same moon in libra. i'm blue, he's red


Wowza, that's some synastry. I would count that as a Moon/Moon conjunction, but the real doozy here is actually Moon/Pluto, I think! Especially since his Moon is conjunct his Ascendant! This can be a reaaaaaaally emotional placement (moon on any angle is VERY emotionally expressive and often caught up in their feelings in some way), but his Moon/Asc to your Pluto is where the issues of wanting to 'control' your relationship come in.

Pluto on the Moon is extreme feelings of possession and fascination, usually very intense, especially on the part of the Moon person. I've found a lot of men who have their moon contacting a partner's Pluto can get really obsessive, even if they don't want to. It's almost like an addiction to the intensity of their feelings, which are already pretty intense to begin with. And since your Pluto is on his ASC as well, he's really feeling it in the body. That can be really addicting/obsessive and aggressive (ASC/1st house is a Mars/Aries house, after all).

Saturn square Saturn is another one- issues of who's the adult, boundaries being unclear and difficult, that's a big one. I would say the age difference plays a huge role, too.

Ahh, I spy his Venus opposite Pluto as well. That's a 'I'm going to tempt you into whatever I can think of to gain the upper hand' kind of synastry placement, especially when unhealthy.

If you see narcissistic qualities in him, you're right to draw hard boundaries. I would say with all the moon connections here he is HARDCORE projecting his Mommy-Issues, even if he doesn't realize it himself.

But the Saturn square Saturn .. That could be a long drawn out problem of boundaries if not dealt with- or it could be done and done, if one person really sorts it out and disconnects. My suggestion would be cut contact if he isn't growing up. Sometimes we HAVE to cut ourselves/them off from us so THEY can do their natural growing. Otherwise we're just enabling them to continue the pattern.

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posted January 10, 2019 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wowza, that's some synastry. I would count that as a Moon/Moon conjunction, but the real doozy here is actually Moon/Pluto, I think! Especially since his Moon is conjunct his Ascendant! This can be a reaaaaaaally emotional placement (moon on any angle is VERY emotionally expressive and often caught up in their feelings in some way), but his Moon/Asc to your Pluto is where the issues of wanting to 'control' your relationship come in.

Pluto on the Moon is extreme feelings of possession and fascination, usually very intense, especially on the part of the Moon person. I've found a lot of men who have their moon contacting a partner's Pluto can get really obsessive, even if they don't want to. It's almost like an addiction to the intensity of their feelings, which are already pretty intense to begin with. And since your Pluto is on his ASC as well, he's really feeling it in the body. That can be really addicting/obsessive and aggressive (ASC/1st house is a Mars/Aries house, after all).

Saturn square Saturn is another one- issues of who's the adult, boundaries being unclear and difficult, that's a big one. I would say the age difference plays a huge role, too.

Ahh, I spy his Venus opposite Pluto as well. That's a 'I'm going to tempt you into whatever I can think of to gain the upper hand' kind of synastry placement, especially when unhealthy.

If you see narcissistic qualities in him, you're right to draw hard boundaries. I would say with all the moon connections here he is HARDCORE projecting his Mommy-Issues, even if he doesn't realize it himself.

But the Saturn square Saturn .. That could be a long drawn out problem of boundaries if not dealt with- or it could be done and done, if one person really sorts it out and disconnects. My suggestion would be cut contact if he isn't growing up. Sometimes we HAVE to cut ourselves/them off from us so THEY can do their natural growing. Otherwise we're just enabling them to continue the pattern.



O M G!! you hit it right on the nail wow!! this is exactly the dynamic of our connection/relationship!

I am SO upset and confused (more so before, now i am moving on) that he would tell me he didn't want to be with me and he's not attracted to me -- even though i feel every fiber in my soul/body that he is! he really messed with my mind and heart there!

HE HAS LOADS OF ISSUES (as so do we all) but, he has issues that he's not ready to admit and deal with hence the projections. He has become vulnerable to me and opened up his mom issues, and i was there to nurture and show him care. but his narcissism takes hold and he ends up hurting the one's who love him the most! i couldn't deal with that after 7 months of back and forth.

the last straw was when he made plans meeting up at a party, and he never showed up after telling me that day and talking to him for an hour that he was definitely coming!

i just stopped right there and then. he made contact a few days later, saying nothing about what happened and no sorry. i have blocked him!

i realized why i have been a bit anxious today and it turns our that it' been a month today that we haven't spoken. i am ok with that.

why do you think if it says on the chart that he does feel very intensely for me with attraction and feelings. why did he lie?? and said he didn't like me like that? to hurt me? to gain control? to steal energy from me?

yes he was obssesive and he admitted he was addicted to me. i thought the pluto would be all those things, no? he was super emotional wow, he totally beat me in the emo bit. i never thought anyone would be as emotional as me. he made me look like a stone there haha

why did you say wowza, what a synastry? is that a good or bad thing? lol

oh yeah, he totally tried to manipulate me into getting the control and upper hand. he had many insecurities so he just manipulated me alot trying to be the dominant one.

he couldn't because i am very strong willed (aqua sun) lol he can't do it. he told me i am way too wild LOL


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posted January 10, 2019 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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O M G!! you hit it right on the nail wow!! this is exactly the dynamic of our connection/relationship!

I am SO upset and confused (more so before, now i am moving on) that he would tell me he didn't want to be with me and he's not attracted to me -- even though i feel every fiber in my soul/body that he is! he really messed with my mind and heart there!

HE HAS LOADS OF ISSUES (as so do we all) but, he has issues that he's not ready to admit and deal with hence the projections. He has become vulnerable to me and opened up his mom issues, and i was there to nurture and show him care. but his narcissism takes hold and he ends up hurting the one's who love him the most! i couldn't deal with that after 7 months of back and forth.

the last straw was when he made plans meeting up at a party, and he never showed up after telling me that day and talking to him for an hour that he was definitely coming!

i just stopped right there and then. he made contact a few days later, saying nothing about what happened and no sorry. i have blocked him!

i realized why i have been a bit anxious today and it turns our that it' been a month today that we haven't spoken. i am ok with that.

why do you think if it says on the chart that he does feel very intensely for me with attraction and feelings. why did he lie?? and said he didn't like me like that? to hurt me? to gain control? to steal energy from me?

yes he was obssesive and he admitted he was addicted to me. i thought the pluto would be all those things, no? he was super emotional wow, he totally beat me in the emo bit. i never thought anyone would be as emotional as me. he made me look like a stone there haha

why did you say wowza, what a synastry? is that a good or bad thing? lol

oh yeah, he totally tried to manipulate me into getting the control and upper hand. he had many insecurities so he just manipulated me alot trying to be the dominant one.

he couldn't because i am very strong willed (aqua sun) lol he can't do it. he told me i am way too wild LOL


Yeah, it sounds like he's just lying to himself about a lot. He may also be drawn to you, but it doesn't necessarily have to be romantic on his part. I find that Venus opp Pluto can also be all bark and not a lot of bite. They won't actually follow through on a lot, unlike if it were Mars opp Pluto, since Venus is more passive. And keep in mind, it is YOUR Pluto, so you are the one going through the transformation; his emotional currency is just triggering it (and I mean he's feeling it, but it's your Plutonic activity, as it were).

He is very young. And so are you! The 20s are when we really sort out our inner demons, a lot of Pluto transformation at this time, not a lot of long-term stability unless Saturn is already very heavily dominant in your chart (and even then, it's just 'setting the stage' in the 20s). You effectively played the roll of stand-in mother, probably his first taste of projecting his feminine-energy issues he's collected from his mother. Sure, he'll be drawn in, but it's not always what we need or want in the long run. Saturn square Saturn can make it feel more committed overall as well, due to the nature of that planet.

I would say his 'lying' aspect is probably his Lilith and Chiron in Gemini- that's big on difficulties of communication. Chiron in Gemini especially is REALLY hard to communicate directly- they either over-share or don't share at all, very little in between. And with his BML involved, it can make it more volatile. This person seems like they are going to have a LOT of issues to work out with themselves in regards to how they handle feminine energy, especially that of the mother. These two planets fall in your 10th house as well, so appearing in public with you would be his big trigger (like showing up to a party). On a personal note, unless he is of legal age now, the age difference makes me aggressively stand by 'this is not going to work'. Underage relationships are inherently toxic if romantic or sexual energy is involved because one person is still VERY MUCH in their formative years. It can be very damaging due to a natural lack of awareness. But I won't speak on what I know of you both, which is to say next to nothing! Trust your intuition here.

And I said 'wowza' because it is a lot going on. Pluto/Moon conjunctions in general are very intense feeling. Don't let him manipulate you; I would just cut contact, or just be straight with him about why. He's going to be unhappy about anything that comes from this relationship unless HE does his own work on the self. Something that seems like it'll be a long while before he does. I would try not to drag it out any further than necessary- work on your own self, focus on that, and he'll be forced to eventually do the same.

Again, Pluto can create feelings obsession on both parties- but his will be more emotionally up front as he is the moon person. He has Pluto in the first anyway, so his life will be full of these types of experiences, and he will be constantly battling power-struggles until he does work on himself. Just do you, bluestskies.

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posted January 11, 2019 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ implosions

Thanks so much for your insights. We're no longer speaking. Like i mentioned, i blocked him after he did't show up at a party we planned to meet up. i feel much better without all that toxic energy and manipulation/control/abuse. Btw, his nessus is conj my asc. I just realized that Nessus is the abuse asteroid?

Anyways, What is BML? He is not under age. We met when he was 15/16. This was 15 years ago! He's now 32, I am 39! We were strictly friends back then lol but the connection was palpable. We just have so much in common to talk about etc.

Yes, I am finally learning to value myself and not put up with toxic and unhealthy behaviors from guys. In the past, i used to just sit and forgive etc. yes, it took me months to finally say Ok, I am not dealing, bye. But through those months, i didn't react to his BS. i was aware of everything that was going on.

I am not sure what chiron in gemini is, but sounds about right. he was always so nervous to hang out with me i don't know why. we've hung out plenty of times many years ago lol

yes, he is way insecure with his feminine energy. he grew up without a father. he passed away when he was a child. his mother was not nurturing he said. he unloaded and became vulnerable with alot of things. i am not sure why he was comfortable sharing with me but at the same time i felt he was afraid of me too?

my ex bf before this guy - he and i also had that moon/pluto conjunction. I was the moon though, and boy was i way too emotional! it actually pushed me to do my inner work and broke me down to a million pieces! it was the same degree too 0-1 degree.


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posted January 11, 2019 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ implosions

You said this: Chiron in Gemini especially is REALLY hard to communicate directly- they either over-share or don't share at all, very little in between. And with his BML involved, it can make it more volatile. This person seems like they are going to have a LOT of issues to work out with themselves in regards to how they handle feminine energy, especially that of the mother. These two planets fall in your 10th house as well, so appearing in public with you would be his big trigger (like showing up to a party).

why would he be triggered to be in public with me? What you shared above is super true though... and it's been baffling me since! I asked him a few times why he's so anxious to meet and hang out with me, he didn't give me a straight answer besides saying . 1. he's not comfortable under his skin. 2. he is anxious when thinking of seeing me right now.

i wanted to add that he made such a huge deal with his skin issues. they are not even that severe! again, the vanity of narcissism consumed him!

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posted January 11, 2019 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@ implosions

Thanks so much for your insights. We're no longer speaking. Like i mentioned, i blocked him after he did't show up at a party we planned to meet up. i feel much better without all that toxic energy and manipulation/control/abuse. Btw, his nessus is conj my asc. I just realized that Nessus is the abuse asteroid?

Anyways, What is BML? He is not under age. We met when he was 15/16. This was 15 years ago! He's now 32, I am 39! We were strictly friends back then lol but the connection was palpable. We just have so much in common to talk about etc.


Oh okay, phew! Haha, sorry for the confusion, I was really unsure! But this makes loads more sense now!

And yes, Nessus conjunctions can often have issues of abuse come up, intentional or otherwise. I find it brings out dark/mean side out sometimes (in the case of the Nessus person) or makes us more prone to being emotionally reactive/impulsive, and if we haven't done any work in that area, it can spell out some really bad behaviour in how we treat people. Not always! But if someone is healthy and has done a lot of work on themselves, Nessus can be really cool and used for growth. I've seen it's healthy expression in discussing the topics of Nessus and really learning a lot from them. Even being helpful!

BML is in reference to Black Moon Lilith, which in a man's chart is usually where they are attracted to very strongly independant feminine energy (I've seen it can often be where the mother refused to relinquish any control to the child) but can also come out in relationships as a woman/energy they are intensely attracted to, but also terrified of (because they have NO control in that area).

And yeah, Moon/Pluto is always very intense emotions. I have yet to experience it- thankfully I don't think I will (as my moon is in Gemini), but I have definitely experienced moon on my Pluto (as well as the square aspect). It is a lot of intense emotions, lemme tell ya. But also VERY good for growing. It really does destruct-o the blocked emotions and forces us to confront them in ourselves. Unfortunately, this can also mean a lot of projection (growing up for me was less fun, as I have Pluto conjunct my Sun stellium as well). But VERY soul purging and full of growth when you've gone through the underworld.

I mentioned the 'in public' issue as that's usually what the 10th house feels like. Either the public persona (what we can feel embarassed or hyper aware of when out in public versus behind closed doors (4th house). In that case, though ironic, you have both Jupiter and your own BML in his 10th house. That is like saying you are a very large presence to him when in public, and with BML there, it can be a very large presence that he cannot hope to have any control over. And since it's all in Leo, issues of vanity and self worth/appearance can definitely show up.

Actually it's funny, I just saw that Saturn and North Node are in his 11th house from your chart. To me this very much screams 'you will learn boundaries' of a very intense nature (considering the square to both saturns). And in some cases I could also see that as either 'together forever' or 'cut off and never again', and from what you've described it seems to have experienced both. North Node is all about new experiences, which can often be fascinating and obsessive for some people as 'new' is always ... well, new and shiny! Even if difficult. Humans are interesting, like that haha.

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wow, you're SO good. thank you so much!!

you said: BML is in reference to Black Moon Lilith, which in a man's chart is usually where they are attracted to very strongly independant feminine energy (I've seen it can often be where the mother refused to relinquish any control to the child) but can also come out in relationships as a woman/energy they are intensely attracted to, but also terrified of (because they have NO control in that area).

I am super independent and wild. he actually told me that I am way too wild for him. (he looses control and it angers him)

he has told me that when he was young, he was a very hyper and 'problem' child. too out of control, perhaps even have adhd. his mom he said just was always frustrated with him, in turn, he internalized that as 'she hates me'. he said he felt his mother favoured his older, more smarter brother. I really felt so much compassion for him, and i nurtured him. it's just so hard when you show care to someone and they get angry when you do. (how crazy right?)

** you said: I mentioned the 'in public' issue as that's usually what the 10th house feels like. Either the public persona (what we can feel embarassed or hyper aware of when out in public versus behind closed doors (4th house). In that case, though ironic, you have both Jupiter and your own BML in his 10th house. That is like saying you are a very large presence to him when in public, and with BML there, it can be a very large presence that he cannot hope to have any control over. And since it's all in Leo, issues of vanity and self worth/appearance can definitely show up.

oh yea, he has told me he's intimidated by me. i don't know why, but yes i guess when i am around him in person, perhaps he feels 'small' and not good enough?

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wow, you're SO good. thank you so much!!

you said: BML is in reference to Black Moon Lilith, which in a man's chart is usually where they are attracted to very strongly independant feminine energy (I've seen it can often be where the mother refused to relinquish any control to the child) but can also come out in relationships as a woman/energy they are intensely attracted to, but also terrified of (because they have NO control in that area).

I am super independent and wild. he actually told me that I am way too wild for him. (he looses control and it angers him)

he has told me that when he was young, he was a very hyper and 'problem' child. too out of control, perhaps even have adhd. his mom he said just was always frustrated with him, in turn, he internalized that as 'she hates me'. he said he felt his mother favoured his older, more smarter brother. I really felt so much compassion for him, and i nurtured him. it's just so hard when you show care to someone and they get angry when you do. (how crazy right?)

** you said: I mentioned the 'in public' issue as that's usually what the 10th house feels like. Either the public persona (what we can feel embarassed or hyper aware of when out in public versus behind closed doors (4th house). In that case, though ironic, you have both Jupiter and your own BML in his 10th house. That is like saying you are a very large presence to him when in public, and with BML there, it can be a very large presence that he cannot hope to have any control over. And since it's all in Leo, issues of vanity and self worth/appearance can definitely show up.

oh yea, he has told me he's intimidated by me. i don't know why, but yes i guess when i am around him in person, perhaps he feels 'small' and not good enough?


Yeah, masculine energy has a strong desire to be in control, mostly due to the nature of masculine energy. It's more pro-active than receptive. (Not saying this is a Man/Woman thing, as we all have masculine and feminine energy in us). I suspect that because of how he has internalized this 'my mother hates me' energy, and seeing as BML is with his Chiron, it's likely no one will ever be able to break into that aside from himself. It sounds like a refusal to relinquish control in areas of wounding, because to them it is very deeply embedded, and very much makes up a core part of who they are. It will have to be something he does on his own (with whatever help he deems allowed/useful, but no one beyond himself will be able to make that choice).

We can have all sorts of compassion for people, but that doesn't mean we can always do something for them, if anything at all. It is always up to them in the end how to handle it. All we can control is ourselves. Something BML knows very well.

He is likely intimidated because you have an abundance (Jupiter) of self ownership (BML), and he has a wounding (Chiron) in regards to self ownership (BML). I am sure there are deep stories within him as to why everything is the way it is, but this is just what I can see playing out in the charts. If nothing else, you know better now what levels of compassion you are capable of, how you can and cannot affect another individual, and what you do not wish to put up with in a relationship. I would say those are a lot of good things taught from Saturn's influence.

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oh, and i almost forgot. he told me this: when we hang out, just don't steal my soul! LOL

i also see his BML is in the 8th house! wow

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