posted February 02, 2019 04:30 PM            

leaving aside all this healing/pain mumble jumble, in a relationship with a strong chiron ,there is a need/impulse to understand each other.....deeply and completely. a chiron positive relationship is one where both understand each other inside and out. every response ,every reaction is understood like both are mirror images of each other. this brings an amazing intimacy and understanding of each other.
but if the relationship goes south, then breakups can be devastating because each knows each others strengths.... and weakness. so arguments and criticism cut the quick leaving deep emotional scars.chiron can give such deep intimacy and knowledge of each other that the emotional betrayal can take a long time to heal.

posted February 02, 2019 09:53 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
s I have mentioned many times,chiron is much more that this healing/pain dynamic. the negative aspect only manifest after difficulties have arisen.

leaving aside all this healing/pain mumble jumble, in a relationship with a strong chiron ,there is a need/impulse to understand each other.....deeply and completely. a chiron positive relationship is one where both understand each other inside and out. every response ,every reaction is understood like both are mirror images of each other. this brings an amazing intimacy and understanding of each other.
but if the relationship goes south, then breakups can be devastating because each knows each others strengths.... and weakness. so arguments and criticism cut the quick leaving deep emotional scars.chiron can give such deep intimacy and knowledge of each other that the emotional betrayal can take a long time to heal.

todd

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Thanks for your response.

Is 'relationship' the key word here? Say you're still in the chillin phase...

And is there a time where you're just oblivious to the Chiron aspects? Does it depend on ones' own natal as well?

posted February 03, 2019 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Thanks for your response.

Is 'relationship' the key word here? Say you're still in the chillin phase...

And is there a time where you're just oblivious to the Chiron aspects? Does it depend on ones' own natal as well?

And how would you discern the hard vs. soft aspects?

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posted February 03, 2019 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Thanks for your response.

Is 'relationship' the key word here? Say you're still in the chillin phase...

And is there a time where you're just oblivious to the Chiron aspects? Does it depend on ones' own natal as well?

And how would you discern the hard vs. soft aspects?

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strong aspects to me are squares, conjunctions and oppositions , quintile.

a relationship that is just chillin would still have a sharp intellectual feel to it.in this phase of relationship, it think the mental stimulation would be most noticeable.
if the relationship develops then the need to understand the other becomes stronger as the sense of intimacy grows.

posted February 03, 2019 10:06 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
I would say it counts for any 'relationship' where you are getting to know a person (be it romantic, platonic, work related etc. It wouldn't mean that chiron isn't activated; if it is in the chart, it's likely going to be felt). I would say the more you get to know someone though (ie the more the walls come down between two people) the more you experience it.

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posted February 03, 2019 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
strong aspects to me are squares, conjunctions and oppositions , quintile.

a relationship that is just chillin would still have a sharp intellectual feel to it.in this phase of relationship, it think the mental stimulation would be most noticeable.
if the relationship develops then the need to understand the other becomes stronger as the sense of intimacy grows.

if one doesn't have any interest in the other person then I think the chiron influences would be negligible.
though chiron is very judgmental so if you were not interested in the other person, I think nit picking criticisms would be more likely to come out.
if you are in a relationship one way to sense if there are problems arising is that the one who is dissatisfied will start to make over critical and invalid comments.
todd

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Wait does that mean I shouldn't consider a trine? What's if the aspect is at a 1 degree orb?

posted February 03, 2019 10:33 PM            

How do I interpret Chiron conjunct MC in Synastry?

posted February 03, 2019 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Hi Todd,

How do I interpret Chiron conjunct MC in Synastry?

Sorry, Brenda, for hijacking your thread.

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posted February 04, 2019 02:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I now realize that my Chiron conjunct his MC too. Cool thanks 😊

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posted February 04, 2019 05:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
How does this feel for you? Do you find yourself deeply involved with his life goals, etc?

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First, disclaimer. His ToB is only assumed. Meaning although I can be pretty sure that it conjuncts his MC I might be just as wrong. Although I strongly believe it to be the case.

And, I think it would be hard to tell at this point cuz we haven't really 'evolved' if you know what I mean.

However, I'll explain it to you based on how the dynamic is currently.

And I'll admit that it's a bit tough to decipher where it's coming from, if his IC or MC, given that the signs are in reverse. Meaning, his IC is Capricorn. And his Saturn is in his 6th. So him 'working towards something' might just be his need to satisfy his inner self.

And his Moon is in his 10th. So his emotional responses to stuff about his goings about might just be how he is regardless of the people involved.

That being said, my Chiron also conjunct my South Node and Mars. So... I'd think that I'd I'd awaken his 10th house regardless of the Chiron aspects. Which is true. For some reason it feels like he needs to 'prove' himself almost? I'm not sure if I'm explaining it correctly, but seems like he wants to be known as the guy that has a lot of 'goings on' in life. And I'm not sure if it's triggered by me, or because of his IC nature and Moon in his tenth. But like I can ask him what's up and his response can be a list of stuff that's currently going on in his life. And again it might just be his Moon in 10th house nature. Which makes sense especially his Moon being in Leo, he wants to show off.

But I'm probably not answering your question, you wanna know how I feel as the Chiron. Just thought it would be necessary cuz I think in general the energy coming from his end automatically invites me to wanna be involved in it.

And given that my Chiron conjuncts my South Node, it definitely feels like 'oh that?' and not like 'oh cool what more is there to it?'

On the other hand, given that my North Node conjuncts his IC (in Capricorn), I have to say I definitely feel like I can use his Capricornian enlightenment. Like the waking up daily early and having a life all set up... Like that part is like omg I wish I can do that. Not that I can't, but again it takes a whole lot of energy outta me. (I mean my Mars conjuncts my South Node, in Cancer no less...)

So I feel like I'm more drawn to his IC than MC. Referring to the 'intrigued' kinda interest. If I'd have to guess, I'd think I trigger his MC more than him triggering my Chiron, which is probably just my Mars there at play.

But I just reminded myself of a past scenario, I do have to say that I'm definitely hurt if he doesn't feel like sharing something he's up to. That part I can attest to. And it definitely wasn't the standard typa hurt. Like I literally physically felt it. For days in a row. It was extremely painful and I'm not exaggerating even a bit. I felt this virtual-like lump in my chest lol. I honestly don't know why I was so bothered by it, but I don't think I can compare it to anything I had had in the past. And thinking about it it's so literally silly to be bothered by, never would've ever happened with anyone else. Just that minute little thingy was a real big deal for me.

Honestly I never thought about this aspect before, it definitely explains a lot of things for me. I guess thanks 😉.

posted February 04, 2019 08:47 AM            

Both my Chiron & Psyche are on his MC. I thought it should make the contact more intimate but I haven't felt so. My experience so far is that the MC person seems more keen to integrate the Chiron person into their life.

E.g. he would talk to me about his plans, dreams etc and I would share my thoughts and advices. I did it like a very natural thing, not trying to be nosey but to my surprise, he actually made major decisions based on what I said, even though we haven't known each other for a long time.

He has also suggested we work together but I declined. I don't want things to get messy if we break up. My rejection may have hurt him, I don't know.

As Chiron, I feel hesitant to get integrated too soon.

His Chiron is also conjunct my Sun. He has shown me cruel realities that hurt me deeply but also helped me to abandon my naive thinking about certain things, so in a way I should thank him. He knows he has hurt me but I don't think he realised how much I've been psychologically transformed. As the Sun person here, I'm extremely vulnerable to everything he says/does.

Chiron isn't cruel. I don't think we have ever intentionally hurt each other but we can touch each other's most sensitive spots.

posted February 04, 2019 01:04 PM            

The way you described your Chiron on his MC feels similar to my experience. Besides that one scenario I mentioned earlier of course.

posted February 04, 2019 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Wait does that mean I shouldn't consider a trine? What's if the aspect is at a 1 degree orb?

For some reason I assumed it would be rather favorable, given that a square would be rather interrupting? (We have a double whammy, Chiron square Venus and Chiron trine Moon. I thought the square to Venus wouldn't feel as Venusian, whereas the trine would feel rather comforting?)

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usually chion comes up when it is noticed because of it's disruptive affect.
trines to chiron usually just add to the mental harmony and don't create the harsh problematic emotional /mental interactions.

todd

posted February 05, 2019 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Wherever I read about Chiron, it's the Chiron person that should feel it most? It's a bit confusing, but I can see why you should be the one feeling transformed, since he brought it to light. Did he mention however how it affected him?

The way you described your Chiron on his MC feels similar to my experience. Besides that one scenario I mentioned earlier of course.

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I know he's hurt too. I could see how my pain affected him so I stopped telling him or showing him my pain, but he still feels it. He told me he knows how much he has affected me and it makes him feel bad.

I sometimes have dark thoughts of hurting him back but I can't do it. I also don't want us to go down that path of you hurt me once, I'm gonna hurt you twice. So I've been pulling away. I don't know if this is gonna be our Chiron breakup.

I think the trine should be mostly positive, no?

Considering Pluto's compulsiveness, I think it would be the first energy to be felt. That's at least in my case. But Pluto goes into a plateau after awhile (or we have learned to manage it better). The compulsive energy wanes.