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Capguy75
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posted February 08, 2019 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capguy75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the past year there's been a colleague who I've had (to put it lightly) mixed feelings about.

On the one hand, we're chalk and cheese. I got the vibe she's a bit "high maintenance" (an Instagram account where she presents herself living this fake aspirational lifestyle, an ex-hubby who looked like a boy-band member and earned a hefty wage). Truth be told, in my worst moments, I felt she came across as a shallow, spoilt brat.

To an extent I get the feeling, the impulse bad reaction was mutual. Whilst I wouldn't call myself a slob, I'm definitely got a reputation as a slightly geeky, boho, "creative" sort who doesn't really give a damn about what's "cool" or "presentable". More than once, I think she's found me exasperating and probably with good reason.

But here's the thing... over the last year, maybe once in a blue moon, we bump into each other by the water cooler, by ourselves and just chat. And we get along. In fact, it feels comfortable and easy and like we really understand each other. We, dare I say it, connect. And then life carries on and from a distance my head thinks "yeah, we've *nothing* in common".

There's even been times when we've flirted, scarily enough. My head tells me she isn't serious, that she only does it for validation because... well, the whole notion of us finding the other attractive screams "does not compute".

So, I wondered... are there any markers or patterns that could indicate this kind of love/hate thing?

If it helps, here's our synastry (I'm inner, she's outer - ignore her houses as I don't know her birth time):

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posted February 08, 2019 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capguy75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like I should have done some research first...

Found this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/005063.html

Not sure if mar1982delta is still around, but they said:

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Oh, a whole bunch of them could do imo, pluto-moon, pluto-sun, pluto-venus, pluto-mars, but at least 2 of them and most probably a DW..Plus, at least one of them a hard aspect, conjunction, square or opposition. That's the way I imagine it at least!

Sure enough, there's her Mars and Venus conjunct and opposite my Pluto!

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posted February 08, 2019 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anska5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi capguy75,

First of all, let me just say, I've never met my astrological twin before, but here I am looking at your synastry chart and realized that you and I must have the exact same birthday (same year and day). Only our ascendants are different as I'm two hours older than you are.. :-)

Regarding your question, yes I would also bet on those pluto oppositions. My ex boyfriend was a triple aries, Sun,moon and venus in aries, all three opposing my pluto... We fought like cats and dogs initially when we met at University and were part of the same circle of friends living at our University halls of residence. A friend told me years later that she remembers us having these constant angry arguments at the dinner table, everyone thought we must really hate each other. We eventually actually became friends (before getting together) and I can relate to your feelings of 'just getting on'. However, I have to say at least in my case, all those pluto oppositions were ultimately turning the relationship into power battles. Warfare in fact. This relationship hurt me very much and although it's always said pluto is transformative, I would have preferred to miss out on that much painful transformation. The bottom line is, feeling that much anger initially, is a sign that there is friction which of course makes for a lot of heat and excitment, but it was in the long run (at least in my experience) felt as very exhausting incompatibility.

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posted February 17, 2019 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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Capguy75
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posted March 11, 2019 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capguy75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@anska5: Wow! Greetings twin sister!

(Actually, did you know that Thomas Bangalter of Daft Punk was born the same day as us as well? Not sure what time. I guess that makes us triplets...)

Thanks for your insight. I've been looking up Moon/Mars squares on other threads here too and its spooky: lots of people saying similar "I'm attracted to so-and-so yet they're totally not my type!"

I'm guessing both being Virgo moons doesn't help either. Overanalysing everything. Have two Virgo moons actually ever got together with each other? Sometimes I wonder if they'd be so busy second-guessing their feelings neither would ever make the first move!

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posted March 11, 2019 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What did you put as her birth time?

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posted March 11, 2019 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capguy75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Bismarck: Midday. As I said, I don't know the actual time so just used it as its in the middle.

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posted March 11, 2019 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capguy75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Took the the plunge and looked up the Composite. Again, her birth time's not known so please ignore houses:

Venus is conjunct NN to within 1 degree. That's... umm... interesting, right?

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posted March 12, 2019 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sure enough, there's her Mars and Venus conjunct and opposite my Pluto!

^ And you have Pluto square Sun in composite. I noticed this shows up in charts where the people involved feel incredibly attracted yet they fight against this feeling because it doesn't make sense. The attraction isn't in a sweet, loving way (unless you have other sweet aspects like Moon-Venus) but rather in a compulsive, sexual way and you can't help but become obsessed with this person or be drawn to them uncontrollably. Should you enter into a relationship, this aspect will cause you to keep testing each other esp if there's any slight hint that the other party may not be as involved/committed/loyal as you.

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posted April 21, 2019 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capguy75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:

^ And you have Pluto square Sun in composite. I noticed this shows up in charts where the people involved feel incredibly attracted yet they fight against this feeling because it doesn't make sense. The attraction isn't in a sweet, loving way (unless you have other sweet aspects like Moon-Venus) but rather in a compulsive, sexual way and you can't help but become obsessed with this person or be drawn to them uncontrollably. Should you enter into a relationship, this aspect will cause you to keep testing each other esp if there's any slight hint that the other party may not be as involved/committed/loyal as you.


Hi Hikaru29 - just realised I never said thanks for noticing this. It's certainly beginning to feel a bit like this more and more although, again, my overriding feeling is of "there can't be any attraction because it wouldn't make any sense, so obviously I should pooh-pooh this as much as I can."

If anything, though, the past few weeks have seen the ante being upped. I'm not deliberately flirting with her or anything. However, its becoming inescapably noticeable that she's now following me around and hovering. So often I say "Hi" and do small talk.

Most of the time she'll react positively - either we'll have a good chat or she'll act coy and flirt in a way that I don't take seriously because it feels too "knowing" - like she has power over me or something. So I don't react to it as if I notice it much. Maybe a bit playfully someimtes. Most often I just react as I would another workmate.

More often recently, she's been reacting in a slightly moody manner - not moody with me, she doesn't ignore me, in fact she'll often say "Hi" to me first - more moody with the world or life at that moment. It's like she constantly buzzes around me but has a face that suggests she's either p**sed off with something or is in the midst of dealing with something serious. Occasionally I'll catch her looking at me from across the office for no reason. Despite all this, bizarrely, we're feeling more comfortable around each other.

But, the truth is, if I even suggested to any of her friends or my friends that there might be an inkling of us liking each other they'd seriously ask me what I'd been smoking. It's not that I'm "out of her league" or anything. Its just that most people think - from what they've experienced of our personalities - that it'd never happen in a billion years.

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posted April 22, 2019 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ What you've described - the strange attraction - sounds like Sun square Pluto. And you also have c-Pluto trine Venus, Pluto opposite her Venus/Mars and her Pluto square your Asc in synastry.

Moon-Mars hard aspects can create strange attraction as well. My friend has the DW with her boyfriend and she felt sexually attracted to him even though he's not her type, and she also feels that she's not his type. It makes for passionate sex and volatile emotional exchange.

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posted April 22, 2019 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capguy75:
Took the the plunge and looked up the Composite. Again, her birth time's not known so please ignore houses:

Venus is conjunct NN to within 1 degree. That's... umm... interesting, right?


Hi Capguy75,
funny that you dont know her TOB cause the houses look matching the situation :-)
By the way, look at your NN/Neptune/Mars conjunct her Uranus and Saturn sextile her Jupiter... and your Saturn on her Moon... then Composite NN with Venus, Jupiter and Mars, and Saturn/Moon trine Mercury ...
It is an unusual connection for you but behind the surface it seems you might be very close and support each others. It all looks like you might inspire each others on a more open minded level.

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posted April 23, 2019 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hold the phone! @Hikaru29 can you elaborate more on how Sun square Pluto in the composite chart causes attraction to not make sense between the two individuals? Can you also look at the composite chart I posted in this thread http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008992.html and tell me how it might play out please? I have a hunch I know what you're referring to, but clarification would certainly go a long ways.

Thanks for your time!😀

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posted April 23, 2019 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
Hold the phone! @Hikaru29 can you elaborate more on how Sun square Pluto in the composite chart causes attraction to not make sense between the two individuals? Can you also look at the composite chart I posted in this thread http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008992.html and tell me how it might play out please? I have a hunch I know what you're referring to, but clarification would certainly go a long ways.

Thanks for your time!😀


I can only speak from my own experience and what others have said about their experience with composite Sun square Pluto.

It's a strangely intense attraction from the onset - the "why can't I stop staring at him or try to be near him" kinda feeling. One thing apparent (which some others have also said) about c-Sun square Pluto is the EYE CONTACT. When we look at each other I feel that he's staring into my soul. This is one reason it feels uncomfortable.

People say this is an attraction/repulsion aspect and some have reported not liking certain things about the other party despite the attraction, but for me the repulsion is more about resisting the intense attraction (like the eye contact I mentioned and the strong desire to be physically near him). I'm a flighty Gemini Venus who loves to flutter around... but whenever he's there, I feel stuck like glue!

I remember the first time we kissed, we were on fire...like 2 ravenous people. This is how we still are if we don't have intimacy for awhile.

This contact digs out strong emotions in us even if unintentional. Somehow, what you say/do will trigger a strong reaction from the other party so we can be super attracted to each other one moment, then super annoyed the next. If you're not in a close r/s you might not feel this. You might just stop at feeling intensely attracted.

Jealousy/possessiveness is part of the package. You might feel upset/insecure if one party suddenly distance themselves or not pay enough attention to you, or worse, if they pay attention to someone else.

We also have c-Pluto square Venus so it adds to the intensity.

EDIT: I forgot to add... with c-Pluto square Sun, the more you can't be together, the more you want to be together.

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posted April 23, 2019 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Hikaru29! That helps's a lot, I find myself annoyed by this woman when she tries to take a more aggressive approach towards me, a few years ago we were at a wedding, not together, just in the same building, anyways... We kept staring at each other, couldn't be helped, she comments the situation out loud, that uncomfortableness that you were mentioning, at one point after she comments about it her Mom tells her that maybe I like her, which you know, she wasn't wrong, but I knew she was still a minor at the time, suddenly she takes it upon her self to approach me, I didn't know what else to do except turn away, I didn't want to be seen dancing with someone so young, she walks back to her seat and starts crying, we barely know each other, I only met her a couple times before that day, but I couldn't believe my eyes, that she could be that upset. Have you experienced anything similar with your Sun square Pluto? What have you experienced with Composite Venus square Pluto? And does your Composite Venus also conjunct Sun as well?

Thanks again!

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posted April 23, 2019 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Your story of the wedding reminds me of the first time we met. He saw me scolding a guy who trespassed the ladies toilet. I thought my temper would turn him off but he said he got more curious about me instead. However, he has brought this matter up twice so I guess it must've left quite an impression, lol.

I feel extremely hurt if he shows any coldness or if he gets annoyed at me. Similarly, he gets very anxious when I'm upset at him, but I'm not sure if this is entirely Sun/Pluto because we also have Pluto conj Moon in synastry which is more likely what causes our emotional co-dependency.

We have c-Sun/Venus/Mercury conjunct so yes, these all square Pluto (lol). Venus square Pluto is very jealous/possessive love. Sometimes we withhold feelings to test/punish the other person but at the same time, it's also hard to resist each other.

Pluto r/s are very hard to let go off... it can create love/hate feelings (there's no in-between...no such thing as break up and be good friends).

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posted May 12, 2019 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starstruck1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a couple with the same aspect.

Her venus and mars conjunction oppose his pluto which is opposite his own s/m midpoint. He is mostly contained but has some harsh pluto natally and can bite with aggression verabally, gemini sun lol

The relationship is so weird in the exact way you describe, she is not really his type at all....he is her boss and they have worked together for years and it started suddenly after they broke off previously relationships.


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posted June 02, 2019 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capguy75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all - sorry to raise this from the dead again, however things have moved a little since I last posted.

Things escalated a little and she started following me about quite a bit, started calling "Hi" to me - basically made it plain she was trying to get my attention to the point I felt I had to confront my own doubts and tell myself she was probably seriously interested in me.

Now, bearing in mind we work together and our working relationship could be seriously be affected, I couldn't straight out ask her out - so instead of playing it cool as I had been, I just started to give her a bit more attention back to see how things developed.

At this point I just get the coy, flirty acknowledgement again and all the following like a love-sick puppy suddenly stops, replaced by Miss Iceberg. I felt like she'd only been stringing me on for validation and now she'd got that she was no longer interested in me. ****** off with all the blowing hot and cold I decide that's that and have started to blank her from there on.

She's back to acting friendly with me now. But I'm feel I'm done. Except... a mutual friend is trying to convince me she's a person she has a lot of time for - that she's someone with hidden depths and many layers. So now I'm wondering if I'm over-reacting.

She's an Aquarian, and I've heard they're notorious for blowing hot and cold in the early stages. Is this what's going on? Or did she seriously just act like a love-sick puppy around me for a good couple of weeks, just to feel the sense of validation from having "got me" when I finally reciprocate? Because that's seriously pathetic...

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Hi Capguy75,
funny that you dont know her TOB cause the houses look matching the situation :-)
By the way, look at your NN/Neptune/Mars conjunct her Uranus and Saturn sextile her Jupiter... and your Saturn on her Moon... then Composite NN with Venus, Jupiter and Mars, and Saturn/Moon trine Mercury ...
It is an unusual connection for you but behind the surface it seems you might be very close and support each others. It all looks like you might inspire each others on a more open minded level.

I'd love to believe this is the case. And, truth be told, I do feel this at times. We've both come out of divorces barely over a year ago so that compicated things too. But on the other hand I'm concerned I'm just being messed around.

Does the synastry show any evidence of which way one of these might be more likely?

Help!

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posted June 03, 2019 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She has Aries Venus/Mars. She may like to be the pursuer and may have found your aloofness rather intriguing. My suggestion is to show a little bit of interest but not too much. Keep her guessing.

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