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cultstatus
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posted February 10, 2019 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m curious about this - have you ever fallen in love or had someone fall in love with you if the traditional love and romances houses 5,7,8 are basically empty?

The ruler of my 7th (Mercury) conjunct his Lilith and loosely Saturn (his chart ruler) but that’s it. The ruler of his 7th (sun) loosely opposes my moon, and I have my mars and NN in the same sign but they aren’t even conjunct.

What else would you look at? Because we have a very deep emotional connection that can only be put down to the 8th house moon overlay. But that doesn’t seem like enough from what I’ve read.

Or is it just not going to happen given the lack of overlays?

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LunaIscariot
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posted February 10, 2019 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Post the charts, synasty composite and Davison

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posted February 10, 2019 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely, house overlays aren't the only thing to look at. This guy I was crazy about had nothing in any of those houses of mine. But he did project those qualities, which is much more important.

Like my 7th house is Sagittarius. He had nothing in that sign but was very Jupiterian in nature, he matched my Jupiter placement. (Mine's in Leo in my third house oppose Saturn. His is in Capricorn in the third house sextile Sun from the fifth) And my fifth house Libra, he's a Libra rising. Eighth house Capricorn, actually that's the only thing closest to an overlay, his Jupiter was 2 degrees before my eighth house cusp.

But anyway, what you're mostly seeking out is the nature as an entirety of your romantic houses. Not the actual signs. Like in your case a Mercury DC let's say in your tenth house, you might be interested in a politician or someone with such nature. Or if it's in Scorpio, maybe someone who has an investigative nature. And a guy with Mercury as his chart ruler in his eighth let's say in Virgo or something might portray those qualities you're seeking out.

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posted February 10, 2019 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Absolutely, house overlays aren't the only thing to look at. This guy I was crazy about had nothing in any of those houses of mine. But he did project those qualities, which is much more important.

Like my 7th house is Sagittarius. He had nothing in that sign but was very Jupiterian in nature, he matched my Jupiter placement. (Mine's in Leo in my third house oppose Saturn. His is in Capricorn in the third house sextile Sun from the fifth) And my fifth house Libra, he's a Libra rising. Eighth house Capricorn, actually that's the only thing closest to an overlay, his Jupiter was 2 degrees before my eighth house cusp.

But anyway, what you're mostly seeking out is the nature as an entirety of your romantic houses. Not the actual signs. Like in your case a Mercury DC let's say in your tenth house, you might be interested in a politician or someone with such nature. Or if it's in Scorpio, maybe someone who has an investigative nature. And a guy with Mercury as his chart ruler in his eighth let's say in Virgo or something might portray those qualities you're seeking out.


Aspects are more important. Someone could absolutely be your type, but do nothing for you if the aspects aren't there.

Look for house activation. Which house lords are being activated through aspects?

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posted February 10, 2019 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cultstatus:
I’m curious about this - have you ever fallen in love or had someone fall in love with you if the traditional love and romances houses 5,7,8 are basically empty?

The ruler of my 7th (Mercury) conjunct his Lilith and loosely Saturn (his chart ruler) but that’s it. The ruler of his 7th (sun) loosely opposes my moon, and I have my mars and NN in the same sign but they aren’t even conjunct.

What else would you look at? Because we have a very deep emotional connection that can only be put down to the 8th house moon overlay. But that doesn’t seem like enough from what I’ve read.

Or is it just not going to happen given the lack of overlays?


I've never fallen for anyone who doesn't have Scorpio-Cap mix which is my 5th and 7th H.
If there is a but of Aqua (my 8th H) that's ideal!

I have never liked someone who doesn't have this Scorpio-Cap mix
Same goes for my friends, especially one of them who was born 2 days earlier than me. We have same exact planets except of Moon and Houses. She's attracted to men who have a mix of her 5th (Leo) and 7th (Libra) H plus her Sun-Moon midpoint which is in Aries.
She isn't compatible at all with them but she is actually just attracted to them anyway.

I mentioned her because honestly she is a proof that 5th and 7th H work wonders because the synastry aspects with the people she goes crazy for are so bad and they reflect reality because they are completely incompatible and she is not happy with them however she can't help the strong attraction.

Like me she can't see other men emotionally/sexually. Fir example I like Taurus but I won't ever be able to feel attracted to them as anything ele other than friends (my 11th H is in Taurus).

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posted February 10, 2019 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anska5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, i have. My ex boyfriend was a triple aries (sun, moon and venus) which all fell into my 11th house. We did indeed start out as friends, but crucial was that my descendant ruler saturn falls into my 1st house...aries house. Time and time again in the past 15 years of studying astrology and seeing hundreds of synastry charts, I find that the houses where your 7th house ruler falls (or your 5th or 8th) become your alternate 'romantic' houses so to speak. I have seen repeatedly synastry charts of friends and family, strong, long term relationship where the aspects or lack of classic romantic house overlays didnt explain the strenght of attachment...but then you see the partner's planets fall into the 3rd house, and what do you know, it turns out to be the house the 7th house ruler falls in or the natural house ruler of the person's sign you fall for...

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posted February 10, 2019 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anska5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
P.S. over the years I've also had several synastry reading with reputed astrologers and ALL of them absouletely stressed the importance of house rulers. I've noticed with myself, e.g. if planets fall into my 7th house, I don't necessarily consider the person relationship material. BUT my saturn, the ruler of my 7th house absolutely and all the time is heavily aspected when I react, so to speak. It's an absolute must and in a way my most senstivve point relationship wise..

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posted February 10, 2019 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck:
Aspects are more important. Someone could absolutely be your type, but do nothing for you if the aspects aren't there.

Look for house activation. Which house lords are being activated through aspects?


True, I think aspects should be looked at more importantly than overlays. Especially house rulers' aspects. And that, on top of the actual style fitting those houses... Boom.

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posted February 10, 2019 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anska5:
yes, i have. My ex boyfriend was a triple aries (sun, moon and venus) which all fell into my 11th house. We did indeed start out as friends, but crucial was that my descendant ruler saturn falls into my 1st house...aries house. Time and time again in the past 15 years of studying astrology and seeing hundreds of synastry charts, I find that the houses where your 7th house ruler falls (or your 5th or 8th) become your alternate 'romantic' houses so to speak. I have seen repeatedly synastry charts of friends and family, strong, long term relationship where the aspects or lack of classic romantic house overlays didnt explain the strenght of attachment...but then you see the partner's planets fall into the 3rd house, and what do you know, it turns out to be the house the 7th house ruler falls in or the natural house ruler of the person's sign you fall for...

This is actually true in my case too. Their Moon conjunct my seventh house ruler in the 3rd.

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posted February 10, 2019 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the replies.

I’ll post the charts here tonight, I did post them a while ago it’s a bit of an ongoing saga.

I read something last night about your descendant ruler- whatever house they naturally rule is your second descendant? Is that right? So Virgo - 6th house? His Jupiter falls in my 6th.

Just checked and I see our 7th house rulers are both aspects by basically all of each other’s personal planets in some way, except mars. But my mars and NN conjunct his Venus and Juno in Aries anyway. The sign his 7th house ruler falls in (sun) as well as his mercury.

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posted February 10, 2019 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the replies.

I’ll post the charts here tonight, I did post them a while ago it’s a bit of an ongoing saga.

I read something last night about your descendant ruler- whatever house they naturally rule is your second descendant? Is that right? So Virgo - 6th house? His Jupiter falls in my 6th.

Just checked and I see our 7th house rulers are both aspects by basically all of each other’s personal planets in some way, except mars. But my mars and NN conjunct his Venus and Juno in Aries anyway. The sign his 7th house ruler falls in (sun) as well as his mercury.

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posted February 10, 2019 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I've never fallen for anyone who doesn't have Scorpio-Cap mix which is my 5th and 7th H.
If there is a but of Aqua (my 8th H) that's ideal!

I have never liked someone who doesn't have this Scorpio-Cap mix
Same goes for my friends, especially one of them who was born 2 days earlier than me. We have same exact planets except of Moon and Houses. She's attracted to men who have a mix of her 5th (Leo) and 7th (Libra) H plus her Sun-Moon midpoint which is in Aries.
She isn't compatible at all with them but she is actually just attracted to them anyway.

I mentioned her because honestly she is a proof that 5th and 7th H work wonders because the synastry aspects with the people she goes crazy for are so bad and they reflect reality because they are completely incompatible and she is not happy with them however she can't help the strong attraction.

Like me she can't see other men emotionally/sexually. Fir example I like Taurus but I won't ever be able to feel attracted to them as anything ele other than friends (my 11th H is in Taurus).


Interesting, of my three long term relationship ships the longest was a Virgo (7th) then a cancer (5th) then a Gemini (4th).
I really love Aries placements though, at least one boyfriend had an Aries moon. I love Aries for any personal placement too not just sun.

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posted February 10, 2019 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know its love though,no ?

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posted February 10, 2019 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the Composite and Davison Chart are important as well.

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posted February 11, 2019 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
This is actually true in my case too. Their Moon conjunct my seventh house ruler in the 3rd.

Similar. My Dsc ruler oppose his Moon and his Dsc ruler trine my Moon.

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posted February 11, 2019 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anska5:
Time and time again in the past 15 years of studying astrology and seeing hundreds of synastry charts, I find that the houses where your 7th house ruler falls (or your 5th or 8th) become your alternate 'romantic' houses so to speak. I have seen repeatedly synastry charts of friends and family, strong, long term relationship where the aspects or lack of classic romantic house overlays didnt explain the strenght of attachment...but then you see the partner's planets fall into the 3rd house, and what do you know, it turns out to be the house the 7th house ruler falls in or the natural house ruler of the person's sign you fall for...

I resonate with this. When I first looked at our house overlays, I thought he couldn't possibly like me but his behaviour showed otherwise. Then I realised I activated all his romantic house rulers and alternate romantic houses, including his 4H.

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posted February 11, 2019 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I resonate with this. When I first looked at our house overlays, I thought he couldn't possibly like me but his behaviour showed otherwise. Then I realised I activated all his romantic house rulers and alternate romantic houses, including his 4H.

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posted February 11, 2019 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@anska5 - So for example if someone’s DSC ruler is in Gemini and their Mercury falls in their 10th house. And their 8th house is in Cancer and their Moon falls in their 12th house. The 10th and 12th houses would be considered their alternate romantic houses? So in synastry if someone else’s planets fall in their 10th and 12th house that would be significant?

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posted February 11, 2019 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cultstatus:
Interesting, of my three long term relationship ships the longest was a Virgo (7th) then a cancer (5th) then a Gemini (4th).
I really love Aries placements though, at least one boyfriend had an Aries moon. I love Aries for any personal placement too not just sun.

Hehe Aries is the worst for me especially Moon and Mars
Why don't you post your chart?

I think I'm the only one whi thinks that the DSC ruler in aspects with someone's elses planets don'y mean anything special just because it's the DSC's ruler.
My DSC ruler is Saturn though and it's in 8th. Bow tgat I'm thinking about it, it rrally doesn't mean much when someone conjuncts my Saturn and it's even worse with the squares and opposition. Unless 5th and 7th H are activated.

I've been thinking about this these days because of another thread.
My friends have the same thing going on with 5th and 7th H everytime. I wish I could see more synastries from people close to me but the problem is always the birth time especially with the older ones.


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posted February 11, 2019 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScoSAg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys,
I want to contribute to this because I've seen in my case the same thing. The house my DC ruler is in is a strong indicator of romantic attraction in synastry.

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
This is actually true in my case too. Their Moon conjunct my seventh house ruler in the 3rd.

I have this with someone I've been long term. Many ups and downs and other people in the picture on my side but here we are still attached. My DC ruler is Mercury and it's in my 12th in Sag. Their AS is opposite my Mercury and their Moon conjuncts it. We have a heavy 12th house overlay (His Moon,DC, Venus and Neptune in mine and my Moon and NN in his). The interesting thing about this is that he puts nothing in my 5th and 7th and only Jupiter and IC in my 8th. The composite also doesn't show much in the relationship houses yet we've been together for 9 years almost. And this given my tendency to escape into imaginary romances and always be on the lookout for new potential partners. So yeah..7th house ruler is a biggie.
This is our synastry by the way...

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posted February 12, 2019 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the delay, been tied up with work.

So this is my synastry with the current guy I've got an ongoing connection with, not dating, I just moved away from the city he lives in.

My first boyfriend - over 5 years, not too sure if his TOB is accurate but I'm on the inside.

Second boyfriend, about 3 years together.

Third relationship - this one ended really, really badly. I've kind of only just gotten over it. We were only together for a year.

TBH I don't really like someones personals conjunct my 7th house ruler, Aquarius energy screams friend to me. I suppose because of the 11th house. In saying that of those charts I just posted, the three I do have accurate TOB have Ascendant/Descendant close to 7th house ruler.

Taking into consideration the moon link you guys have mentioned, with the guy I'm on off dealing with his moon squares my 7th house ruler and my moon opposes his.

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posted February 12, 2019 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ScoSAg:
Hi guys,
I want to contribute to this because I've seen in my case the same thing. The house my DC ruler is in is a strong indicator of romantic attraction in synastry.

I have this with someone I've been long term. Many ups and downs and other people in the picture on my side but here we are still attached. My DC ruler is Mercury and it's in my 12th in Sag. Their AS is opposite my Mercury and their Moon conjuncts it. We have a heavy 12th house overlay (His Moon,DC, Venus and Neptune in mine and my Moon and NN in his). The interesting thing about this is that he puts nothing in my 5th and 7th and only Jupiter and IC in my 8th. The composite also doesn't show much in the relationship houses yet we've been together for 9 years almost. And this given my tendency to escape into imaginary romances and always be on the lookout for new potential partners. So yeah..7th house ruler is a biggie.
This is our synastry by the way...


Thanks for sharing, I wonder if more people have noticed the Ascendant/Descendant connection to 7th house ruler that we've shown in these synastries

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posted February 13, 2019 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 17, 2019 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm bumping this thread

at the same time I wanted to say that I checked a guy's chart who was too much in love with me but it wasn't mutual.

I had my planets in his 5th (my Sun and ASC) and 7th H (my Venus, Mars and Jupiter)
He didn't have any of his in my 5th or 7th H
he had his Sun and Mercury in my 8th H.

Plus we have Jupiter opposite Mercury
I like chatting with him even after so many years but that's it.

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posted February 17, 2019 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I'm bumping this thread

at the same time I wanted to say that I checked a guy's chart who was too much in love with me but it wasn't mutual.

I had my planets in his 5th (my Sun and ASC) and 7th H (my Venus, Mars and Jupiter)
He didn't have any of his in my 5th or 7th H
he had his Sun and Mercury in my 8th H.

Plus we have Jupiter opposite Mercury
I like chatting with him even after so many years but that's it.


Ok so if someones Moon is in my 5th house. I read that the Moon person would enjoy spending time with me. That I would be ideal to them in regards to romance. And my Moon in their 8th house I would feel 8th house things for them.

So Jupiter/Mercury does make it nice in regards to talking with someone? I figured that I have this both ways with someone. Their Jupiter conjuncts my Mercury and my Jupiter squares my Mercury.

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