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ChildofVenus
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posted February 14, 2019 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone give an example of this? So I know what to look for?

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posted February 14, 2019 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aamhz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 14, 2019 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

High school sweethearts, been together more than 20 years, super happy/healthy relationship and still very in love and have a family and talk about growing old and staying together for the rest of their lives. I have no doubt they will as well lol. It’s almost nauseating how lovely dovey they are.

Been together 9 years, married 3 years ago. Again, super happy couple, really supportive towards each other and best friends. They do everything together. Planning on starting a family soon

This is Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. I think everyone knows they have a great relationship, they speak very highly of each other all the time, have a lot of fun together and when I seen their charts I knew it was genuine and not just for show. The huge stellium right in the ASC like that shows a super close, intimate and harmonious bond. Very connected. They function as a unit. They’ve been together I think 8 years now and I definitely think they will be together for life.

There are just a few examples. Too lazy to upload others lol

Basically you want conjunctions and/or oppositions of the personal planets, and Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto is good as well. I prefer trines/sextiles for Saturn and Uranus though.
Pattern completion is also good, so kites, grand trines, mystical rectangles and or t-squares. When you have hard aspects, as long as there are also soft aspects to offset them and if they’re involved in a closed pattern formation it works. There is a way to funnel and transmute and direct the energy in a more effective way within patten completions since the planets work together.

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posted February 15, 2019 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for itsmeyaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:

Basically you want conjunctions and/or oppositions of the personal planets, and Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto is good as well. I prefer trines/sextiles for Saturn and Uranus though.
Pattern completion is also good, so kites, grand trines, mystical rectangles and or t-squares. When you have hard aspects, as long as there are also soft aspects to offset them and if they’re involved in a closed pattern formation it works. There is a way to funnel and transmute and direct the energy in a more effective way within patten completions since the planets work together.

This was really interesting to read! Thank you.
I was trying to understand the composite chart of me and this guy, so this was helpful. I first thought having oppositions or Sun in the 12th house is not a good thing.
Because we have Sun in Virgo in 12th opposite Mars and Venus in Pisces. I thought that was a big no.

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posted February 15, 2019 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This was really interesting to read! Thank you.
I was trying to understand the composite chart of me and this guy, so this was helpful. I first thought having oppositions or Sun in the 12th house is not a good thing.
Because we have Sun in Virgo in 12th opposite Mars and Venus in Pisces. I thought that was a big no.

You have to look at the whole chart. In the e.g. above, they have a whole stellium conjunct the Asc. That's the highlight.

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posted February 15, 2019 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Basically you want conjunctions and/or oppositions of the personal planets, and Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto is good as well. I prefer trines/sextiles for Saturn and Uranus though.
Pattern completion is also good, so kites, grand trines, mystical rectangles and or t-squares. When you have hard aspects, as long as there are also soft aspects to offset them and if they’re involved in a closed pattern formation it works. There is a way to funnel and transmute and direct the energy in a more effective way within patten completions since the planets work together.

I noticed in chart 1, there's practically no Saturn aspects except a trine to Asc. In chart 2, they have the undesirable Saturn square Moon + Uranus/Neptune harsh aspects to Sun/Mars + Pluto square Saturn.

Broke some conventional beliefs. Interesting!

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posted February 15, 2019 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aamhz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I noticed in chart 1, there's practically no Saturn aspects except a trine to Asc. In chart 2, they have the undesirable Saturn square Moon + Uranus/Neptune harsh aspects to Sun/Mars + Pluto square Saturn.

Broke some conventional beliefs. Interesting!


Instigated by this thread, I looked at all my significant relations. Composites had hardly existent Saturn ties in any, but in the long ones* the Synastry had them. (*romantic, same-sex aka entirely platonic, family)

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posted February 15, 2019 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. But like I said, Saturn square moon is okay because in chart 2, moon is making other positive aspects and that moon square Saturn is involved in a t-square AND the moon is part of a mystic rectangle. So there is a lot more going on with the moon besides just a moon square Saturn.
One “bad” aspects isn’t going to break a chart. When you have one of those, look to see if there are others things to balance it out.

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posted February 15, 2019 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I noticed in chart 1, there's practically no Saturn aspects except a trine to Asc. In chart 2, they have the undesirable Saturn square Moon + Uranus/Neptune harsh aspects to Sun/Mars + Pluto square Saturn.

Broke some conventional beliefs. Interesting!


Those harsh aspects to Uranus and Neptune are part of a mystic rectangle (pattern completion). That’s the exception. And again, the moon square Saturn and Pluto is in a closed pattern (t-square). Pattern completions make the hard aspects work in a more positive way, they actually start to work together in a really dynamic way. And when you have other positive things going on, they have the love stellium. (Sun opp Venus, mercury opp venus).
Oppositions work the same as conjunctions in a composite.

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posted February 15, 2019 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for itsmeyaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
You have to look at the whole chart. In the e.g. above, they have a whole stellium conjunct the Asc. That's the highlight.


This is the composite, can you tell me what you think ?

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posted February 15, 2019 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus and Mars are conjunct are the ASC/DSC ruler which is making this energy even stronger as these are the natural Venus/mars angles. So super strong attraction and chemistry, but still a weak chart overall.
Saturn is conjunct those two planets which is going to cool it off with some time and will cause some blockages and difficulties, usually external obstacles like past baggage or timing difficulties etc. Having lots of planets in the 12/6th axis is also not good. This shows an imbalanced relationship and unstable as well.
It’s too bad there isn’t another planet in Capricorn because there would be a kite, that would help this chart a lot and add more stability and harmony... but oh well.

I think this would be a really good fling and for fun/sex. Because there is a lot of chemistry and passion here. I just don’t see this being a fulfilling healthy relationship in the long term. Too much disconnection and things lacking. And those Saturn conjunctions are a doozy after a while.

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posted February 15, 2019 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for itsmeyaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Venus and Mars are conjunct are the ASC/DSC ruler which is making this energy even stronger as these are the natural Venus/mars angles. So super strong attraction and chemistry, but still a weak chart overall.
Saturn is conjunct those two planets which is going to cool it off with some time and will cause some blockages and difficulties, usually external obstacles like past baggage or timing difficulties etc. Having lots of planets in the 12/6th axis is also not good. This shows an imbalanced relationship and unstable as well.
It’s too bad there isn’t another planet in Capricorn because there would be a kite, that would help this chart a lot and add more stability and harmony... but oh well.

I think this would be a really good fling and for fun/sex. Because there is a lot of chemistry and passion here. I just don’t see this being a fulfilling healthy relationship in the long term. Too much disconnection and things lacking. And those Saturn conjunctions are a doozy after a while.


This is so interesting because when we were together years ago, we broke up because his best friend got too jealous and started feeding him toxic thoughts. And we'd always argue over things caused by external factors. And also the timing was off. Fascinating. And this is actually why he got in contact with me again, because he said our timing was off.

Ugh, too sad the chart is not so strong. I was lowkey rooting for it.. but oh well......

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posted February 15, 2019 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol yup. Gotta love Saturn 🙃🙄🙄 (no you don’t) lol

You should post the Davison too, I’m curious

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posted February 15, 2019 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for itsmeyaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
lol yup. Gotta love Saturn 🙃🙄🙄 (no you don’t) lol

You should post the Davison too, I’m curious


Here it is. And thank you so much you are so kind. <3

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posted February 15, 2019 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh, yup. Saturn is conjunct mars (ASC ruler) and the sun. So it’s just doubling up this energy. Sucks when that happens. And it being in the 12th still really sucks. There could be secrets and deception or just things you’re not aware or or not seeing clearly so try be as objective as possible about this connection. Lots of 12th house energy always is a red flag. This would be a self-sabotaging relationship in general because you would be prone to addictive behaviours together and escapism, encouraging each other’s bad habits like smoking or drugs or drinking etc.

The moon, Venus, Uranus/Neptune t square is also adding more of that 12th house energy with Neptune involved. Definitely confirms this relationship is based on a lot of projections and illusions or even flat out deception (hope not!). And Uranus is adding the instability and on/off nature, unexpected changes or hot and cold feelings.
Venus is in the 1st though, so I do see affection warm between you, especially with moon in the 7th as well.
And the DSC ruler being strong in domincle shows that there is real love or a strong bond here. But idk, I see a lot of obstacles and challenges here that might be insurmountable.

Lastly you should post the synasty lol.

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posted February 15, 2019 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for itsmeyaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ahh, yup. Saturn is conjunct mars (ASC ruler) and the sun. So it’s just doubling up this energy. Sucks when that happens. And it being in the 12th still really sucks. There could be secrets and deception or just things you’re not aware or or not seeing clearly so try be as objective as possible about this connection. Lots of 12th house energy always is a red flag. This would be a self-sabotaging relationship in general because you would be prone to addictive behaviours together and escapism, encouraging each other’s bad habits like smoking or drugs or drinking etc.

The moon, Venus, Uranus/Neptune t square is also adding more of that 12th house energy with Neptune involved. Definitely confirms this relationship is based on a lot of projections and illusions or even flat out deception (hope not!). And Uranus is adding the instability and on/off nature, unexpected changes or hot and cold feelings.
Venus is in the 1st though, so I do see affection warm between you, especially with moon in the 7th as well.
And the DSC ruler being strong in domincle shows that there is real love or a strong bond here. But idk, I see a lot of obstacles and challenges here that might be insurmountable.

Lastly you should post the synasty lol.


Oooohhh dear! skjlsksks I screamed! When we were together back in the day, it was not really a self-sabotaging relationship to be honest, we were mostly very caring towards each other, but external factors made us split, and when he contacted me again, he was fully aware of this.
So in our rs, I was mostly like a mother to him, I would make sure he's feeling okay and taking good care of himself. But I was somehow more mature than he is, although he's older than me, so when things started getting childish I ended the rs.
So I did appreciate he got aware of all of this (things you said and that I mentionned). That's why I was lowkey rooting for this. But I did make it clear we'd be friends and start talking again. And I felt like in some time he would probably want more. So now.... idk about that anymore lmao

Here is the synastry : I'm the inside circle.

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posted February 15, 2019 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh, there’s the imbalance then, you being like a mother or care taker lol.

Okay I’ll look at the synastry more in a bit

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posted February 15, 2019 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for itsmeyaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ahh, there’s the imbalance then, you being like a mother or care taker lol.

Okay I’ll look at the synastry more in a bit


Okay, thank you so much!!!!!

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posted February 15, 2019 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ahh, there’s the imbalance then, you being like a mother or care taker lol.

Okay I’ll look at the synastry more in a bit


Any thoughts on this composite?

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Original thread I created with more info: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008761.html

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posted February 16, 2019 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nezumi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My parents' composite.
I don't know if it can be qualified as strong but they have been happily married for 33 years now. It's also I relationship that I have observed closely over the years so ... yeah.
I think a composite needs a little bit of Neptunian magic. Especially if the couple in question has some Pisces/ Neptune in their natal charts.
I also think there has to be some kind of conjunctions between the composite and the natal charts. In my experience, this is what makes a certain relationship meaningful to both people.
I admit, I was surprised at the lack of Saturn action in the composite. Apart from a sextile to the Moon and a wide square to Neptune there's not much going around there. I guess the so called glue is only present in the synastry.



Mom's Saturn is conjunct Dad's Sun and Dad's Saturn is conjunct Mom's South Node (which ironically is considered by some a separative aspect ) Maybe having Jupiter there helps alleviate some of the negative implications that a Saturn/SN conjunction has in synastry. Then again Jupiter in Cap is in fall whereas Cap Saturn is domicile... so who knows?

But the conjunctions from the composite to natal are really interesting.

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posted February 16, 2019 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why don’t sextiles and trines count? Why only conjunctions and oppositions?

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posted February 16, 2019 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your parents do have a really strong chart!!!! Lol
Anytime you have a love stellium unafflicted, meaning no Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto squares or oppositions to it or conjunctions of Saturn/Uranus, that’s unaffflicted. Like I mentioned above, squares or oppositions CAN work if it’s part of a pattern completion and there are other soft (trines/sextiles) aspects being made by that planet as well but it’s still not ideal.
Moon/Jupiter/mars involved in the love stellium either by conjunction, sextile or trine is awesome as well.

So your parents have the love stellium unafflicted in the 7th house! It’s trine by mars and Neptune (really good), They also have a grand trine with these planets and 2 yods! Yods are really dynamic and fated/compulsive, gives intense chemistry and the two people are really compelled to be together. And that sun opposite Pluto which wouldn’t be great on its own, is actually making that yod into a boomerang and acting as a release point, so it’s actually ideal!

Powerful chart! Great example of what an ideal composite looks like. I’m not surprised in the slightest that they’ve been together that long 👍.

Also, people always think you need Saturn for “glue”, which is a stupid concept lol. The “glue” is a great relationship, period. Saturn is irrelevant. Saturn doesn’t make a good relationship. Sure it adds responsibility, duty or guilt/obligation or stability but none of that means a healthy or happy relationship or compatibility. Saturn will just prolong your suffering. Bottom line; If you have a great composite and synastry, whether Saturn is involved or not, if it’s a good relationship, that’s the glue! It’s very simple. Saturn is not needed and honestly not preferred most of the time unless you have a strong Saturnian DSC or Venus.

People need to quit thinking if they don’t have Saturn in synasty or composite/Davison a relationship isn’t going to last. 🙄 you want a strong composite and good synastry, that’s what you should be focusing on. Because if you have that, you are going to WANT to stay together, which is what ultimately determines if a couple lasts or not. Not Saturn. And btw, it’s really rare to not have any Saturn aspects in one of the 3 charts anyways. So it’s not something people should be worrying about.
Saturn just makes you more long-suffering, meaning you’ll stick it out when things are crappy, that’s how it shows up in charts. Which isn’t what you want anyways. You shouldn’t be staying in relationships that suck. Lots of Saturn is the reason people stay in bad relationships. It’s “glue” but not the healthy or the kind you want.

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posted February 16, 2019 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it’s incorrect to not include sextiles and trines.

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posted February 16, 2019 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Childofvenus; um what? Who said sextiles and trines aren’t included? Lol nobody here said that. Quite the opposite.

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posted February 28, 2019 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Anytime you have a love stellium unafflicted, meaning no Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto squares or oppositions to it or conjunctions of Saturn/Uranus, that’s unaffflicted. Like I mentioned above, squares or oppositions CAN work if it’s part of a pattern completion and there are other soft (trines/sextiles) aspects being made by that planet as well but it’s still not ideal.

How about Pluto squaring the love stellium but part of a YoD? The love stellium is also part of 2 wedges involving Moon/Mars/Jupiter. Will it help release the square tension?

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