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CuriousV
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posted February 14, 2019 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys!

Would you please give me your thoughts on this synastry. I am concerned that our suns are not aspected in any way. Would this create some kind of "not getting each other" vibe between us?

And also my Moon is not aspected. Is that bad?

What do you think of other aspects that could offset the above?

Thank you in advance!

I am in Blue. Both TOBs are correct.

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posted February 15, 2019 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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CuriousV
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posted February 15, 2019 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, anyone please??

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LunaIscariot
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posted February 15, 2019 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His moon tight on your ASC is going to add that emotonal affinity and connection. Same with your moon being in his 4th... emotional connection isn’t going to be lacking at all lol. You’ve feel very comfortable together and there will be emotional intimacy and with him opening up to you and sharing with you (slowly of course given his moon being in Scorpio haha).
Your sun is conjunct his ASC so that’s going to make
Up for the lack of sun-sun aspects. You will have a lot in common either way.

The conjunct angels axis, and DW nodes conjunct angels plus planets conjunct or falling on angles tells me this ls me this is a significant soulmate relationship. More than likely karmic in nature, so be prepared to some hurt or struggles since you were meant to meet to grow and learn lessons from each other. I don’t see this lasting (karmic connections never do) but you were definitely meant to meet this person

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posted February 15, 2019 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
His moon tight on your ASC is going to add that emotonal affinity and connection. Same with your moon being in his 4th... emotional connection isn’t going to be lacking at all lol. You’ve feel very comfortable together and there will be emotional intimacy and with him opening up to you and sharing with you (slowly of course given his moon being in Scorpio haha).
Your sun is conjunct his ASC so that’s going to make
Up for the lack of sun-sun aspects. You will have a lot in common either way.

The conjunct angels axis, and DW nodes conjunct angels plus planets conjunct or falling on angles tells me this ls me this is a significant soulmate relationship. More than likely karmic in nature, so be prepared to some hurt or struggles since you were meant to meet to grow and learn lessons from each other. I don’t see this lasting (karmic connections never do) but you were definitely meant to meet this person


Thanks, Lunalscariot! Yes, I can sense that he is in an emotions withholding mode being a Scorpio Moon but I am used to that type of energy since my Venus is in Scorpio. I think we both are cautiously curious at this stage

As for the nodes, are all NN connections always considered karmic? And if so, what would be an indicator of a good positive karmic relationships versus a bad one that would lead to separation in the end? Just wondering what makes you say that karmic connections never last. I thought that there was such a thing as positive karmic soulmate relationships where, even if there are struggles/hard times, both people come out of it stronger than when they went in because it's through those types of lessons our souls learn, grow and transform.

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Bismarck
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posted February 15, 2019 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no knowflake, but mars opposite chiron . . . yikes.

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CuriousV
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posted February 16, 2019 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck:
I'm no knowflake, but mars opposite chiron . . . yikes.

I saw that too but have no clue what that means...would you please elaborate? I am assuming from your comment that it's bad?

And what about his Venus trine my Chiron?

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posted February 16, 2019 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm more concerned of his Saturn squaring your Mars and his Mars on your Descendant. The latter can create a lot of passion but you may also experience him as being imposing which can create conflicts.

Other than that, your angle-angle, planet-angle conjunctions are really nice.

How does your Davison look?

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posted February 16, 2019 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CuriousV:
I saw that too but have no clue what that means...would you please elaborate? I am assuming from your comment that it's bad?

And what about his Venus trine my Chiron?


Like I said, no expert, but I would imagine it would entail some sort of abuse.

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posted February 16, 2019 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus conjunct your Venus and Mars + midpoint well that's exciting. Your Saturn on his Mercury, is a little restrictive, on his Venus shows loyalty and commitment.

Can you get close enough to experience it, is the question.

Moon conjunct Node indicates he has a lot to learn about emotions and hence is wary of his feelings at this stage of life. You will help him with this, bring out all kinds of conversation/feelings that are buried. He will both thank you and fear you for it... ;-)

I feel this is a karmic friendship. Helping him to work through some childhood issues. There may be some intimacy but you won't be as focused upon you. The node/Ascendant both ways is very interesting though, this could be a long-term bond.

IS your Moon unaspected? There's a line to his Mercury? Is it a sesqui? Do you have any quintiles? They are amazing in synastry.

Mars Dsc does imply sexual interest. I am getting an interesting vibe here, there is a lot of karmic energy, not necessarily past life, more like you both acting as a catalyst to one another's life paths.

It would be interesting to see the aspect grid as I feel that things are deeper than at first glance!

PS - I've no problem with Mars opposite Chiron. It can hurt but it pulls down barriers and you really need that to get close to somebody.

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posted February 16, 2019 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All karmic relationships are “bad” and do and should end in separation since they’re not healthy. What you’re talking about is a just normal soulmate relationship. Those aren’t karmic and produce growth in both people, but without the usual pain and separation.
And yes, this looks like the karmic kind. It’s easy for me to tell based on the lack of true compatibility or harmony in your charts which normal soulmates always have. Your charts are lots of squares and oppositions (hard aspects) and lacking that flow and harmony which characterizes a normal soulmate relationship. Lots of things missing here.
But when I see double NN conjunct angles and conjunct angle axis, and with the planets to angles, yes 100 percent a karmic soulmate connection. If you had other things it could be a soulmate soulmate, but when it’s missing I know it’s just karmic.

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posted February 17, 2019 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck:
Like I said, no expert, but I would imagine it would entail some sort of abuse.

I did some digging on the net regarding Mars/Chiron and there is not a lot of info but one site said that the hard aspects can indicate temper, anger management and lack of emotional sensitivity. This is also what it had in terms of Venus/Chiron trine which is what we have and an overall Mars/Chiron linkage:

"Chiron and Venus, the Bringer of Love, Pleasure, and Beauty/Enjoyment: This is a Magical Linkage, and a Golden Linkage for Success, and is singularly the most powerful and beneficial linkage that two persons can have. It is also a Romance Linkage and a Cinderella Linkage. It brings Combined Destinies, the uniting of futures, becoming one family, money as partners, joining forces, a lifelong relationship, and a charismatic relationship. If this is formed with someone, chances are very high that each will help the other. This linkage greatly improves the chances of marriage with the linked person. This is the strongest of all linkages and helps form enduring bonds. It has almost mystical influences and seems to help the linked persons in anything they do as a pair.

Chiron and Mars, the Male Energy Polarity: This is a strong sexual generator for the man in a relationship, but a woman will want a family with the man who brings this power to her life. In terms of attraction that leads to marriage, the Chiron-Mars connection often creates a level of attraction that is impossible to ignore. It is the one and only Marital Sexual factor where the man will often marry the linked woman."

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posted February 17, 2019 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CuriousV:
I did some digging on the net regarding Mars/Chiron and there is not a lot of info but one site said that the hard aspects can indicate temper, anger management and lack of emotional sensitivity. This is also what it had in terms of Venus/Chiron trine which is what we have and an overall Mars/Chiron linkage:

"Chiron and Venus, the Bringer of Love, Pleasure, and Beauty/Enjoyment: This is a Magical Linkage, and a Golden Linkage for Success, and is singularly the most powerful and beneficial linkage that two persons can have. It is also a Romance Linkage and a Cinderella Linkage. It brings Combined Destinies, the uniting of futures, becoming one family, money as partners, joining forces, a lifelong relationship, and a charismatic relationship. If this is formed with someone, chances are very high that each will help the other. This linkage greatly improves the chances of marriage with the linked person. This is the strongest of all linkages and helps form enduring bonds. It has almost mystical influences and seems to help the linked persons in anything they do as a pair.

Chiron and Mars, the Male Energy Polarity: This is a strong sexual generator for the man in a relationship, but a woman will want a family with the man who brings this power to her life. In terms of attraction that leads to marriage, the Chiron-Mars connection often creates a level of attraction that is impossible to ignore. It is the one and only Marital Sexual factor where the man will often marry the linked woman."


That sounds like Magi school of thought. From what I've heard, most people write them off as being too fatalistic and giving far too much importance to chiron. Better take on chiron aspects: http://theinnerwheel.com/2016/03/16/beyond-the-wound-a-brief-chiron-cookbook/

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CuriousV
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posted February 17, 2019 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
All karmic relationships are “bad” and do and should end in separation since they’re not healthy. What you’re talking about is a just normal soulmate relationship. Those aren’t karmic and produce growth in both people, but without the usual pain and separation.
And yes, this looks like the karmic kind. It’s easy for me to tell based on the lack of true compatibility or harmony in your charts which normal soulmates always have. Your charts are lots of squares and oppositions (hard aspects) and lacking that flow and harmony which characterizes a normal soulmate relationship. Lots of things missing here.
But when I see double NN conjunct angles and conjunct angle axis, and with the planets to angles, yes 100 percent a karmic soulmate connection. If you had other things it could be a soulmate soulmate, but when it’s missing I know it’s just karmic.

OK, this makes sense now. So basically when there are predominantly blue lines, that would be a positive soulmate relationship vs lots of red which are karmic aspects, right? Thank you for explaining, Lulanscariot!

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posted February 17, 2019 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I'm more concerned of his Saturn squaring your Mars and his Mars on your Descendant. The latter can create a lot of passion but you may also experience him as being imposing which can create conflicts.

Other than that, your angle-angle, planet-angle conjunctions are really nice.

How does your Davison look?


Hi Hikaru! Here is our Davison chart. Can you please tell me why this chart is important? I thought synastry is what will tell you how two people will interact with each other in a relationship. I am also confused as to the importance of the Composite. Which of the 3 is the most important to look at?

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posted February 17, 2019 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck:
That sounds like Magi school of thought. From what I've heard, most people write them off as being too fatalistic and giving far too much importance to chiron. Better take on chiron aspects: http://theinnerwheel.com/2016/03/16/beyond-the-wound-a-brief-chiron-cookbook/

Yes, thank you. I will definitely check out the link.

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posted February 17, 2019 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CuriousV:
Yes, thank you. I will definitely check out the link.

She wrote other articles on chiron on that blog as well. Just follow the tag.

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posted February 17, 2019 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Uranus conjunct your Venus and Mars + midpoint well that's exciting. Your Saturn on his Mercury, is a little restrictive, on his Venus shows loyalty and commitment.

Can you get close enough to experience it, is the question.

Moon conjunct Node indicates he has a lot to learn about emotions and hence is wary of his feelings at this stage of life. You will help him with this, bring out all kinds of conversation/feelings that are buried. He will both thank you and fear you for it... ;-)

I feel this is a karmic friendship. Helping him to work through some childhood issues. There may be some intimacy but you won't be as focused upon you. The node/Ascendant both ways is very interesting though, this could be a long-term bond.

IS your Moon unaspected? There's a line to his Mercury? Is it a sesqui? Do you have any quintiles? They are amazing in synastry.

Mars Dsc does imply sexual interest. I am getting an interesting vibe here, there is a lot of karmic energy, not necessarily past life, more like you both acting as a catalyst to one another's life paths.

It would be interesting to see the aspect grid as I feel that things are deeper than at first glance!

PS - I've no problem with Mars opposite Chiron. It can hurt but it pulls down barriers and you really need that to get close to somebody.


Thank you so much, Waxlobster for chiming in...

What makes you think that it's some sort of childhood issues that I would be able to help him with? And why friendship? Do you feel like there is just not enough aspects for it to turn into a romantic connection?

Seeing that his Moon is in Scorpio, I thought that perhaps he had a tough childhood or had difficulties with his mother. I asked him if he gets along with his mom and he said yes. I don't know much about his childhood though, we are just in the beginning stages of getting know each other....

Not sure if this is significant at all but it's a long distance connection - we are in different countries although only about a 3-4 hour flight away. Could this be something tied in with both of our NN on our ASC?

Yes, I saw that was a black dotted line from my Moon to his Mercury but I don't know what that means. I only have enough astrology understanding for blue and red aspects. Can someone please tell me if this dotted line means anything? There are several of them in the chart (Mars/Pluto, Neptune/Mars, Mars/Venus being the others) and also what does the green dash line mean if anything?

Waxlobster - what do you mean by the aspect grid? I'd be happy to post it but how/where do I get it?

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posted February 19, 2019 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 19, 2019 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CuriousV:
Thank you so much, Waxlobster for chiming in...

What makes you think that it's some sort of childhood issues that I would be able to help him with? And why friendship? Do you feel like there is just not enough aspects for it to turn into a romantic connection?

Seeing that his Moon is in Scorpio, I thought that perhaps he had a tough childhood or had difficulties with his mother. I asked him if he gets along with his mom and he said yes. I don't know much about his childhood though, we are just in the beginning stages of getting know each other....

Not sure if this is significant at all but it's a long distance connection - we are in different countries although only about a 3-4 hour flight away. Could this be something tied in with both of our NN on our ASC?

Yes, I saw that was a black dotted line from my Moon to his Mercury but I don't know what that means. I only have enough astrology understanding for blue and red aspects. Can someone please tell me if this dotted line means anything? There are several of them in the chart (Mars/Pluto, Neptune/Mars, Mars/Venus being the others) and also what does the green dash line mean if anything?

Waxlobster - what do you mean by the aspect grid? I'd be happy to post it but how/where do I get it?


The dashed and dotted lines represent minor aspects such as inconjuncts(green).

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posted February 19, 2019 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Bismarck, then I am not going to pay much attention to those...

I'd like anyone's input on our Davison. Don't know what it represents but seems it's as important as synastry?

I am seeing a bunch of red crosses as well as rectangles and triangles. Are any of those significant? And what is their meaning?

Posting it again for easier access. Thank you in advance!

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posted February 20, 2019 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone, please?

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posted February 28, 2019 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CuriousV:
Hi Hikaru! Here is our Davison chart. Can you please tell me why this chart is important? I thought synastry is what will tell you how two people will interact with each other in a relationship. I am also confused as to the importance of the Composite. Which of the 3 is the most important to look at?

They are all important. The synastry shows attraction and how you make each other feel, which areas you're compatible and which areas you clash, etc. The Composite shows a relationship potential and the Davison IMO (different people have different take) gives a more realistic view. People usually lean towards one or the other.

The Chinese astrologers believe that Composite shows what can happen and the Davison shows the eventual outcome, so for e.g. in Composite you have Mars opposite Uranus which shows a very unstable energy but in Davison you may have Mars sextile Uranus. This means that the couple may adjust and be able to manage the unstable opposition energy over time, turning it into one that's stimulating and fun.

I usually pick out repeated aspects in these charts as they show the relationship's main theme(s).

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posted February 28, 2019 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SeaGoat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry Lunalscariot I hope you don't mind me asking and going into Virgo mode here. This is what I have been trying wrap my mind around lately.

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:

And yes, this looks like the karmic kind. It’s easy for me to tell based on the lack of true compatibility or harmony in your charts which normal soulmates always have. Your charts are lots of squares and oppositions (hard aspects) and lacking that flow and harmony which characterizes a normal soulmate relationship. Lots of things missing here.


What would be considered true compatability or harmonic aspects. Aspects along the lines of Sun trine Moon, Venus trine Moon and Venus trine Mercury? Or simply the flow of the chart and house overlays?

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But when I see double NN conjunct angles and conjunct angle axis, and with the planets to angles, yes 100 percent a karmic soulmate connection. If you had other things it could be a soulmate soulmate, but when it’s missing I know it’s just karmic.

Do you consider it karmic if one of these aspects is present or if you have all three (nodes to angle axis, angle axis conjunct, and planet to angle). And does it have to be double NN conjunct to angle to be karmic?

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posted February 28, 2019 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi CuriousV,
Mixed feelings regarding your Davison. On one hand, you have some really nice pattern formations - house, kites, mystic rectangle - which indicates very nice flow of energies. However the Moon & Sun are also part of a t-square which means basic lack of understanding between the couple, and Neptune there just adds confusion. The Moon & Neptune have an outlet in the kite so the tensions can be released but the Sun doesn't have an outlet so very likely that t-square tension will all be choked at the apex Sun. If you think of the Sun as the man, he will likely be the one not feeling good about whatever that's lacking.

Similarly for the other t-square involving Saturn/Uranus/Mars where Uranus lacks an outlet and the fact that it's in 1st house emphasises its erratic energy. Being the apex of the t-square and without an outlet of release may just cause it to go out of control.

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