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abrightfutureahead
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posted February 18, 2019 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya ladies,
You both were so kind as to read mine and my boyfriends charts a few months ago. We are still going strong at present, but we got to talking the other night about his troubles he finds when he meets new people, and it dawned on me that his Sagittarius ascendant just doesn’t seem to shine through, I don’t feel any fire from him.
He said how people find him secretive when they first meet him and I feel he has a real Scorpio energy about him. I asked him if he was sure of his time of birth and he said he would ask his mum, who confirmed he was born an hour earlier than he was certain of.

Low and behold - Scorpio ascendant!

It’s changed our charts slightly and I’m hoping has improved our compatibility..i’m dreading that it’s made our composite chart look even more bleak.
Please could you take the time to reanalyse our new and correct charts. Would mean so much!
We haven’t dropped the “L” word yet but the feelings very much there for me.. i’m having a major flap after spending so long researching into our inaccurate charts!!

Here’s our corrected synastry chart

Thank you 🙏🏻
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sassaqua
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posted February 19, 2019 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HI Lisa,

I think that the talent triangle that you have with his Moon will keep you going for a long time. His Chiron with your Sun is nice too.

Obviously yes, there are a lot of challenging aspects. What I've come to realise is that relationships are like that. If the feeling is there, you will go ahead anyhow with the relationship, no matter what we see in the charts, or what challenges are in the way.

Love is a journey.

This may not help you or answer your question in an astrological sense but it's all I can say. We learn and grow from our relationships, and what we need at various times and ages in our lives changes. So no one can really say.

You're experienced enough now to know what all those red lines mean.. you can go in with your eyes open and be aware. Sorry I cannot say more. I'm so busy, I cannot run through charts anymore at the moment.

Not the advice you're wanting I know.. and I understand you want to have the fun of analysing it all (like I love to do also), but I say - if I've got time to say anything.. just go with it and let it take it's course, it's an opportunity to love that should be taken, and try to stay friends no matter what the outcome.

See what Stonemoon and the others says

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LunaIscariot
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posted February 19, 2019 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weird that you’re even into him at all lol. Looks so unbalanced. I can see he really likes you, but doesn’t look like you should be that into him...? Seems your feelings would be more lust than love. He’s only really activated and matching your 8th house, which is sexuality etc. And your mars is being hit, and his mars is conjunct your Venus, so again sex and lust. But he’s not doing much else for you though. Really strange lol
Are you sure YOUR birthtime is right? If your ASC is Taurus it would make way more sense

Post the composite and Davison. The planets have to be in Gemini, sag, Virgo or libra. Has to lol I’ll be shocked if they aren’t


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abrightfutureahead
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posted February 19, 2019 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks sass,
Love is a journey I like that, and it’s true no matter what the charts scream at us we will still follow our hearts at the end of the day. My synastry and composite was AWFUL with my kids dad, I was warned but that didn’t stop me getting myself into a heartbreaking relationship.

I guess I’m trying to be cautious this time around, as everything played out exactly as I was told with my ex.
Hope you are keeping well my lovely! Thanks for your quick response x

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posted February 19, 2019 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya Luna,
Thanks for posting. Funny you should say that, I’m not 100% sure my time of birth as only have my dad to ask and it’s not on my birth certificate. He said he was sure it was a few minutes past 6am, and that I was born as the sun had come up. So I’ve been reading my chart as 6:05am.
I’ve just checked online to find out the time of sunrise on my birthday and it puts it at 5:07am, and guess what... Taurus ascendant!
I felt rather confident that Gemini was my ascendant, but I do have gemini venus and air moon, so looks as though I was probably wrong about that. I’m a Taurus sun so sense both energies in me.

I’ve updated the chart with the new time of sunrise here. Does this look a accurate to you? I’ll get the other charts for you, thanks SO MUCH for having a look for me, I feel I’m holding back from getting too serious with my man as I know how my last relationship played out and I ignored the warning signs.

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posted February 19, 2019 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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abrightfutureahead
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posted February 19, 2019 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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sassaqua
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posted February 20, 2019 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also have to look at the natals to see what people are looking for.

I think I remember this now ABFA. This is the guy that swept you off your feet? And we noticed that he maybe had some weird things going on with his Pluto and some other things?

It's interesting to hear the feedback anyhow that you're going strong.

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posted February 20, 2019 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya again sass,
That’s right, he’s still sweeping me off my feet everyday, but it’s more that we are taking things slow and steady And our bond is getting stronger daily.
Here’s my natal

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posted February 20, 2019 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya again sass,
That’s right, he’s still sweeping me off my feet daily. It’s more of a slow and steady growing bond.
Here’s my natal

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abrightfutureahead
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posted February 20, 2019 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His natal (corrected and accurate)


Can’t wait to hear back from you all ☺️

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sassaqua
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posted February 20, 2019 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok well, maybe your Jupiter is keeping his challenged Venus buoyant.

Also, your Pluto is not in bad condition. While it still squares his Venus like his natal Pluto does and all of your generation would, it's not a manipulative and power-playing Pluto being in the good condition that it is.

Maybe he feels like he can trust you. And, with such a challenged Venus as his is, perhaps this is what he's attracted to right now.

You've also got some Gemini energy that perhaps, provides support to his Mars there (that's opposite pluto). Maybe that support helps him get out of the fog and darkness of his Pluto in the 12H? Gives him some ego strength.

Your Mars and his Moon will go a long way I think. Along with your Saturns in the same sign you can both work together and there's a rapport of understanding each others natures.

So, trust, rapport and being able to work together will go a long way.

If that grand trine in the synastry with both your Suns and your Moon is there that's good place for those ego planets to be in too. Even if it's out of sign (like in the first synastry) it will still be a solid and safe bond. With his Saturn and nn too.. I very much like this.

It's too hard to get to the finer aspects without a grid. It's important to assess the hierarchy of degrees which is best done via the grid too

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posted February 20, 2019 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks sass,
That all sounds right to me. This is what is attracting me to him too apart from the physical and emotional bond we have, feeling of trust and that we can work together to have a nice life.

Here’s the synastry again with some love asteroids added

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posted February 20, 2019 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here’s our aspect grid with a few points of interest

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sassaqua
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posted February 20, 2019 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this looks pretty good.

First, because there are a lot of contacts. And because there are a lot within both the personal planets and the outer ones - which gives depth.

The closes aspects are your:
Jup square his Moon
Saturn sextile, and Pluto trine Moon
Saturn conj Uranus - perhaps stabilising your Mars opp his Uranus
Moon square Mercury
Sun trine Saturn

Those Moons though are TOB dependent as we know.

The downfalls are his Mercury aspects, which may manifest as arguments and misunderstanding. And that it is opposite your Chiron, which could turn out as painful for you, if you want to see too deeply into his psyche and he feels too open and vulnerable and lashes. The Moon square Mercury can be a frustration.

He gets only one easy aspect to him Venus from you Jupiter, but this can manifest as more focused and intense, and therefor greater appreciating for what you Jupiter offers his Venus. Better that it's a trine too, and not a conjunct which could be too irritating.

His Moon hasn't got a lot from you, but his Moon is in good condition natally, so it's ok for him to handle those challenges.

All that's left then is the sesi and semisquares, and inconjuncts, that cannot be underestimated for their niggling frustration over time!

I would like to see more nodal and/or vertex contacts to keep the feeling there over long term. But the Saturn contacts can compensate for this a great way.

Depending on ho mature he is, those easy Saturn contacts can be so soft, that it manifests as little to no fear of losing the relationship. Some people are more motivated to stay with someone because of the fear they feel from losing the other person, rather than an open love without fear. A lot of people equate fear with love.

That's my 10c worth ABFA

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abrightfutureahead
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posted February 21, 2019 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much sass,
Especially as you said you don’t have the time at the moment, means a lot.
I might be bias but I feel our chart is strong. We also have sun opposite sun/moon midpoint & sun trine moon, these are still present even if the times are not exactly accurate. I’ve heard having these two aspects together are marriage indicators. I blooming well hope so!
Also the venus trine Jupiter is a double whammy, which makes it stronger I believe.
The other strength of that moon trine mars is also a double whammy, and our ascendant Conjunct DC also seems significant.

I have no experience in reading composite charts, but it’s obvious to see all those red lines there, what does seem to stand out with the composite though is vertex Conjunct DC & Pluto Conjunct the MC.
I’ve also heard these are marriage indicators in a composite or at least a fated encounter.

All that you’ve said sounds about right though sass, and I feel those mercury squares between us, miscommunication - but think that’s also down to him being American while I’m English.
I’ll keep you posted 😄

Looking forward to hearing back from Luna and stonemoon who can hopefully see what they think of the composite and Davison.

Lisa

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posted February 21, 2019 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by abrightfutureahead:
Here’s our aspect grid with a few points of interest


You should check "aspects to all objects" in the menu. Asteroid aspects aren't showing up.

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abrightfutureahead
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posted February 21, 2019 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi and thanks Bismarck!
I’ve changed it to show the asteroids in aspect, i really hope you could kindly give me your input of our charts.

Lisa

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posted February 22, 2019 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just noticed our South Node Conjunct MC is a double whammy. How do you think this aspect will play out?

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posted February 22, 2019 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see a comment has been made but I can’t view it 🙁

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abrightfutureahead
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posted February 26, 2019 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump for Luna and stonemoon.
Hope you ladies won’t mind ☺️X

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posted February 26, 2019 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I only have a quick minute but he fits what you need. Your first and 7th house is encapsulated, so you need a Pluto type to help you access the trapped Sag energy in your chart. He is Pluto square Venus and Pluto trine Moon and Chiron. This man fits someone who is important to you. You are definitely interested because his Mars hits your Sun and Asc. Since he is Scorpio rising you're activating his chart ruler.

I will look more in a little bit!

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posted February 26, 2019 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have a natal T-square with Moon as apex and chiron opposite uranus. Do you find yourself struggling to find or accept stability in relationships? With a moon in libra, wanting harmony... uranus in Cap and chiron in Cancer... you have a struggle between how you were nurtured and receiving love/care and fighting against .... something?

I am curious about that for sure. And how it affects you in relationships. Now your moon is getting support from Venus, so that eases things a bit. You're very sweet and very giving in nature with others. But I am guessing too much? And I would prefer to see him supporting your T square. But he has nothing opposite your Moon. His Mercury trines that Venus of yours, but not your moon. You are prone to a little worry/anxiety and I would like to see him helping you out here. (Your moon in 6th house...)

I do think he is significant for you because he unlocks those trapped signs for you. Longevity remains to be seen. The composite is not as tight as one would hope. His pluto opposite your sun is signifying that he is here to provide change in your life. He is turning point for you, a big one. But lasting qualities remain to be seen.

Keep in mind that "lasting" comes in many forms. Ive seen Saturn aspects that should have bound people together that didn't, and no aspects that you would hope for and the people stick it out forever. You have some Saturn aspects, but I actually think this is a healing relationship more than anything else. I say enjoy it for what it is, what it brings to you and don't worry about the rest.

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posted May 08, 2019 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@stonemoon

Hiya dear I’m sorry i didn’t see your reply until now and I’ve had to dig though the forum to find it!

Yes I for sure have some issues with finding stability in my relationships. It seems my relationships never seem to last. This is partly down to having “abandonment issues” from childhood where I didn’t recieve proper nurturing/care as a girl due to my mother having severe mental health issues. The delusional kind. I grew up unsure if I could believe what I was told to be true, no fault of my mothers, she believed her delusions. This caused me to learn to keep people at arms length. After being taken out of her care I was passed around the family and nobody wanted to take care of me for very long, and ended up in care, so felt unloved from a young age.

I am in the process of trying to overcome my abandonment issues, which manifest in continually getting into relationships with emotionally unavailable men and pushing people away. I guess I don’t trust someone to stick around for long.!
Thanks for your insight I hope you could enlighten me more on my chart.


*Update*

My relationship with my American man has come to a disturbing end. @sassaqua & @stonemoon - you both picked up that this guy had some issues. Mentioning, he comes across real nice and together but there is a darker side, and the issues with control of women. I could NOT see that coming; but once I did I nipped it in the bud. So here’s my story of how things unfolded.

We spent 6 happy months together, he planned to move closer by so we could get more serious and see eachother more in the week. Then one day he flipped out on me and told me I can’t speak to my ex anymore, I had to choose either him or my ex. It came from nowhere and completely unreasonable, as I have two children with my ex so I have to speak to him, there was nothing for him to even worry about as my ex hardly even bothers to see my girls...

I told him to do one basically after this and didn’t speak to him for a week, expecting him to realise he was being paranoid and jealous and apologies for asking this of me. We then continued on but his behaviour started to become very suspicious, but not just of me, of everyone and he started saying some concerning things which made me question his mental health. Things like, everyone is looking at me and judging me. He started smoking cannabis very heavily at this time also which I told him i wasn’t happy about, although I always seem to end up having bouts of using myself, which I have done since my teens.

All my family use so it’s not something I have thought of as a big issue, as long as it isn’t all the time or wasting loads of money on it 🙈.

We continued our relationship but I called him out a few times asking him why he was gaslighting me on occasions and started to become manipulative. I’ve been cautious after your advice and very clued up with psychology, which I’ve picked up after dealing with abusive relationships in the past. I wasn’t having any of it when he was trying to confuse me on the phone and twisting my words. I started to distance myself more, but also his level of paranoia began to increase and he started telling me he was having arguments with strangers in the street 😵.

At this point I started to suspect he was unwell as he was acting very emotionally unstable, but I had already fallen in love with him and hoped we could get back on track.
Then one day he accused me of drugging his drink and that everything that was happening to him for some reason was my fault. I got really upset and asked how he could think I would do that, and he said he would get a drug test to prove that I did it!?

I decided to contact his sister who I have been introduced to expressing my concerns for him. All this talk and behaviour started to be all too similar to how my mum would behave in my childhood when she started to get sick. I had this gut instinct of what was coming so decided it was best to end the relationship, but beforehand let his family know so they could support him.

His sister then tells me he has been very unwell in the past and hospitalised a few times after thinking his mum had took his blood from his body and over disturbing things.. I’ve kept a distance with a broken heart and he slowly has deteriorated over the last 5 weeks. To the point he was convinced I am in a new relationship, the birds are talking to him and he’s hearing voices; which the last conversation we had over the phone before I’ve cut all contact he tells me that “chris” has gone now, he was such a soppy guy but “we” are blended now and stronger. And that he is “not alone”. It’s a whole other level I didn’t see coming at all.! . I’m just sad the guy I fell in love with is psychotic and there’s nothing I can do about it..

I do believe this relationship was about healing for me, his behaviour suddenly gave me memories of my mum I had forgotten about, and hopefully allowed me to realise this pain that’s been buried in my subconscious mind. Also think I won’t ever touch cannabis again out of sheer fear how it can make some lose their flipping mind!!

How about that for a turn out?! I refuse to let it stop me from finding someone who’s right for me, I deserve love and happiness. I trust in the universe to bring someone along when the time is right 😊


How are you both doing ladies? Hopefully more lucky in love than I’ve been. Thanks for your accurate interpretations it’s been a lesson learned 😁

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posted May 09, 2019 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was reading through the thread and your latest update really threw me off. That was such a twist. 😳 Anyway, your Composite doesn't look great (a lot of t-squares) with Sun square Moon, Mars square Sun/Mercury opposite Moon, Venus square Saturn/Uranus/Neptune/Chiron... but don't give up hope... like you said, the right one will come at the right time.

Stonemoon mentioned your natal t-square and I just wanna say I too have a natal t-square involving Moon/Venus/Mars in angular houses. When someone completes that t-square for me with a Virgo planet, he helps me work out my inner tension to figure out what I want and need... and if you think about the Virgo traits, that sounds about right (lol).

For you... your Moon has a lot of tension (feelings of disillusionment, emotional needs not met... you may feel you're always giving and not receiving) so someone with an Aries planet there might challenge you to be of courage, be fearless and optimistic. Aries also goes well with your Mercury/Venus. Also, you attract Plutonian but important to have someone with healthy Pluto... and you'll like Moon/Mars traits as well.

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