posted August 01, 2009 08:33 PM            

Is there anyone who can explain how to interpret that? Do you look at the 12th house ruler and aspects to that or to the planets in the house, etc?

Thanks,

posted August 01, 2009 09:04 PM            

So good to see ya!

Ummm... I can't answer your question. Just so happy to see you!

edit: I thought I add something...

Cafeastrology

Composite Sun in the 12th House. This position can bring challenges that most people find very difficult to deal with. In this relationship, many facets of your personalities that you would rather keep private may be revealed. Your relationship itself may be hidden from view or others may not know it exists at all. In fact, if they do know it exists, they are unlikely to understand what it is all about. This is an especially sensitive position of the Sun in the composite chart, and it calls for you to keep your eyes open. Many relationships with this position are unequal in power in some manner, where one person does more sacrificing to be with the other, where there is a significant age difference, where there is a secret affair, for example. This can take its toll over the long term. Dealing with imbalances is an inescapable part of your relationship, and it's best to use strategies to do so without inflicting or absorbing guilt.

posted August 02, 2009 12:13 PM            

I think it represents the end being the last house, as the AC would represent the beginning (first house). I'm with ya on the tough transits, though.

Hey Unmoved!

Great to "see" you too! Hope that everything is going great for ya.

I found this quote from Cafe Astro...

"For example, the composite Ascendant can indicate the circumstances surrounding the first meeting or the beginning of the relationship. It can also point to how a couple initiates things together (such as projects). Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house." http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html

I also remember in a discussion about composite vs. Davison that someone mentioned they could see the end of a relationship via the 12th.

I used to wonder whether or not composites were valid, but the more I learn, the more it seems that they are the blueprint for the relationship or I guess what we're given to work with, regardless of how great synastry is. That sounds cookbook, but it seems to hold true in my experience. I can see how the AC works. For example, I met a friend while traveling on vacation. We have a composite Leo rising. The composite chart ruler is found in the 9th house, which makes sense as to how it began. When I look at the 12th ruler it's either too ambiguous or I need a lesson in the interps...lol.

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posted August 02, 2009 12:55 PM              

Since were still good friends regardless of distance and time.

As for my Leo friend (The only other person I have with accurate birth time) lol..

Begins with Scorpio Asc. and ends with Libra in the 12th house..strange uh?

Natally 12th house Libra cusp is suppose to be kind of a loner denying cooperation..so applying this to my friendships, if it ended on 12th house Libra terms..we would feel lonely without eachother or maybe lack of cooperation would be the cause of the friendship ending. X_X

posted August 02, 2009 10:48 PM              

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posted August 03, 2009 06:44 AM            

with my ex-BF who i stayed together for 4 1/2 years (longest relationship for me), we have Pluto in the 12th house conjunct Libra AC. NN is also in the 12th house. i don't know how to interpret that actually, anyone have an idea? Sun, Venus Mercury are all conjunct in the 3rd house, conjunct IC, and they square the Pluto. we were more friends or even siblings than lovers, and we always lived together.

i have another short-lived boyfriend (but went on emotionally for some time) with NN in the 12th.

posted August 03, 2009 11:48 AM            

I just looked at my composite w/ my ex husband. The AC is Cap...Saturn in the 3rd conjunct Chiron and Mercury. That would make sense because we met online. The Sun is also in that house, although not conjunct. After time, I discovered that I'd been "schnookered." He pretended to be a certain person to win me over and once we were married, pulled the switch. (Saturn in Pisces, trine Neptune I felt constricted and surrounded by negative energy to the point where I became ill. 12th house ruled by Sag. Jupiter in the 6th is squaring (actually at the point of a T square w/ Uranus/Pluto in the 8th) the Saturn/Chiron/Mercury in the 3rd, which would explain the end or when I "woke up and smelled the coffee!" Risking my health wasn't worth trying to make something that unhealthy work.

Hiya AG

posted August 03, 2009 11:49 AM            

12th house ruler Virgo. Mercury in the 3rd opposite Sun/Venus. (Our work together was writing/communication...makes sense.) Pluto/Uranus (Sextile Neptune in 2nd) in the 12th forming a T Square w/ Sun/Venus (chart ruler) and Mercury (12th house ruler). Same exact thing...he was secretly addicted to crack and robbed to get money for it (which explains Nept in 2nd) and went to jail. Wow.

Think I might be seeing how this works. Thanks all!

posted August 03, 2009 01:49 PM            

I've been looking at the charts posted and trying to guess the beginnings and endings before reading the stories. It's been great practice and it has helped me grasp the concept and see the patterns. One intersting thing that I'm noticing is that, at least in terms of the 12th ruler, a conjunction seems to be like a negative aspect most of the time. Interesting!

posted April 09, 2012 03:23 PM            

what do they mean by "where there is a secret affair, for example

posted April 09, 2012 07:15 PM            

So I guess Pluto is the one who steps in to end things.

posted April 09, 2012 07:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
I find this topic pretty interesting. The 3 most important relationships I've ever had/men with whom I have been the most in love had the ruler of the 12th (Uranus) in the 8th house conjunct the composite North Node in two of the cases. In the third case the ruler of the 12th was in Scorpio, just past the 8th house/beginning of the ninth.

So I guess Pluto is the one who steps in to end things.

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posted April 09, 2012 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Well I mean that in those two composites, the 12th house began in Aquarius therefore the 12th houses were ruled by Uranus which was in the 8th house in both cases (And whereupon the Plutonic energy evidently ate them up)

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posted July 28, 2018 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by imperialbubble:
"any relationships with this position are unequal in power in some manner, where one person does more sacrificing to be with the other, where there is a significant age difference, where there is a secret affair, for example. "

what do they mean by "where there is a secret affair, for example

As in, they're cheating on you by having a secret affair w/ someone else, or that the two of them have a secret affair with each other, where one is already in a relationship w/ someone else? Please help ..

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posted April 01, 2019 06:37 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by imperialbubble:
[b]"any relationships with this position are unequal in power in some manner, where one person does more sacrificing to be with the other, where there is a significant age difference, where there is a secret affair, for example. "

what do they mean by "where there is a secret affair, for example

As in, they're cheating on you by having a secret affair w/ someone else, or that the two of them have a secret affair with each other, where one is already in a relationship w/ someone else? Please help ..

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posted April 02, 2019 04:08 PM            

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posted April 03, 2019 03:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
I suggest to read this great article about 12th house relationships, which fits perfectly my own experience;
http://theinnerwheel.com/2012/09/01/the-composite-chart-and-the-12th-house-th e-ghost-at-the-door/

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This is very informative, but I still feel confused. Haha.. One thing seems true for my friend's case - it seems fated yet it feels hard. I'm not sure what good lesson she has learnt from her marriage because she left mangled and bitter, with an empty bank account and full of debts.

posted April 03, 2019 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
This is very informative, but I still feel confused. Haha.. One thing seems true for my friend's case - it seems fated yet it feels hard. I'm not sure what good lesson she has learnt from her marriage because she left mangled and bitter, with an empty bank account and full of debts.

From the article it seems that 12H r/s are not meant to last? What would be considered a heavy 12H? This thing about 12H ruler showing how it ends is interesting too. Any credibility?

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I'm not sure about the ruler showing how it ends or whether they are meant to last... I've heard of couples sticking together for long time even with the weird 12th, so I really think it all depends from the individual maturity and the whole chart aspects... but I really recognized myself and some experiences of mine in this article. I think the lesson is about learning to let go whatever hurts you or what is not possible to fix, or whatever prevents your personal "growth" and life direction, and/or learning to love in a selfless way, but I guess the situations might differ and each one has its own "lesson" or path to follow...