posted April 03, 2019 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Not normal, lol. Turn off aspects to points: such as ascendant and MC etc.

Looks like a nice composite though with the love stell

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Thanks Sassaqua! I actually tried to do that, but didn't work, LOL !! I will try again. In any case, the Grand Kite appears in synastry and composite as well... and I'd like to understand better the meaning of it, I find it intriguing.

posted April 03, 2019 11:28 AM            

I have 3 kites with my ex in Davison. Moon opposite Pluto which caused intense feelings, neediness and dramatic arguments. He was really demanding like when he needs me, he needs me NOW. But the planets also trine/sextile Sun/Mercury/Neptune/Saturn so there are other areas we build emotional intimacy. He was always telling me his aspirations & visions...we go to each other when we feel down... and even after we broke off, he came to me for emotional support when his mom had a relapse.

posted April 03, 2019 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
The main struggle is between the 2 opposing planets. This is the area you will always tug & pull (sometimes we agree... sometimes we disagree...), but because it's in a kite formation, this tension can be released through the trines & sextiles supporting it. The areas are shown by the houses but I'm not good at interpreting this.

I have 3 kites with my ex in Davison. Moon opposite Pluto which caused intense feelings, neediness and dramatic arguments. He was really demanding like when he needs me, he needs me NOW. But the planets also trine/sextile Sun/Mercury/Neptune/Saturn so there are other areas we build emotional intimacy. He was always telling me his aspirations & visions...we go to each other when we feel down... and even after we broke off, he came to me for emotional support when his mom had a relapse.

But I feel that it was also Moon-Pluto that caused our eventual split because I couldn't be there for him at one point. It seems that with Pluto difficult aspects, the intensity is so strong that if one party pulls away, it's seen as a sign of "betrayal". Like a covenant, it's an offence to break it.

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Thank your for your explanation! So you mean that those opposing planets are the "key issue", don't you? What makes the bond, might make also the trouble? In my case, it seems Pluto/Sun (maybe also Pluto/Mercury)... so do you think that the Kite on its own still shows a deep bond?

posted April 04, 2019 03:12 AM            

My experience with one was my last longish term. At first I thought it may have been a marker for stability, and it was, for it certainly had a course of action to it.

But it was also like a trap in the sense that the relationships drove us hard. Like some ride that was going on it's own. The point of the kite end was the main dynamic I think, and in our case it was Mars. So, we were always wanting to do something together. We didn't just rest in each other's company easily.

Having said that though, we also had Moon/Pluto conjunct DW in synastry. AND also, that Mars in the kite (was because we had Mars conjunct in synastry) was opposite his Saturn. A notoriously dodgy aspect.

posted April 04, 2019 04:04 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I liked the way that Hikaru29s explained it.

My experience with one was my last longish term. At first I thought it may have been a marker for stability, and it was, for it certainly had a course of action to it.

But it was also like a trap in the sense that the relationships drove us hard. Like some ride that was going on it's own. The point of the kite end was the main dynamic I think, and in our case it was Mars. So, we were always wanting to do something together. We didn't just rest in each other's company easily.

Having said that though, we also had Moon/Pluto conjunct DW in synastry. AND also, that Mars in the kite (was because we had Mars conjunct in synastry) was opposite his Saturn. A notoriously dodgy aspect.

It's often hard to isolate aspects. But, I still stand by what I say above about a ride/train on it's own journey that was sort of beyond us both.

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Thanks so much! I completely know what you mean... I also feel that it is about being "driven hard"... and I feel this situation is "out of control" (especially out of "my" control!!)... but unfortuntely I couldn't move on and detach from this since three years, even though its not a relationship (at least not yet) but mainly a one-sided crazy love..... which I'm still trying to just understand "why" !!

posted April 04, 2019 04:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Thank your for your explanation! So you mean that those opposing planets are the "key issue", don't you? What makes the bond, might make also the trouble? In my case, it seems Pluto/Sun (maybe also Pluto/Mercury)... so do you think that the Kite on its own still shows a deep bond?

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Yes, they are the areas you'll always struggle with so the good thing with the kite is it allows you to connect in other areas. I think patterns can be binding, especially when Pluto is involved.

posted April 04, 2019 05:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Yes, they are the areas you'll always struggle with so the good thing with the kite is it allows you to connect in other areas. I think patterns can be binding, especially when Pluto is involved.

Although it's not a real r/s (yet), but how has the Pluto aspects been playing out for you so far?

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Well, I can't thank you enough for what you're saying here, you're basically telling me that I still have a lot of chances with him :-D :-D

OMG, Pluto aspects have been overwhelming ! I'm CRAZY for him, I can't stop thinking and dreaming about him, it is one of the most intense feeling I have ever had, with the only difference that when I felt like this before it was an actual longtime relationship, while this time it is all just in my head....! But in the synastry, we also have a Pluto/Jupiter conjunction and DW Pluto trine Sun. The "real" part of this all (ironically!) is that we have had some powerful synchronicities and a few amazing telepathic contacts, and I guess that's the 9th house Neptune conjunct Uranus sextile Pluto in the synastry... weird story!

posted April 04, 2019 06:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
^ Do you feel that he's reciprocating that Pluto pull? Sometimes I wonder if it could sometimes be one-sided obsession but since you have the DW in synastry, it doesn't seem so...

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I wish badly I knew!! That DW Pluto trine Sun is what I've been wondering about together with those Comp. Saturn squares on the Stellium and the Kite... but that DW Pluto/Sun made me exactly wonder what you've asked, does it mean he feels that too?! I just know that we have a powerful connection on a telepathic level, I saw it while it was happening many times and I could not believe it, and this is the only evidence I have that he might "feel" something too......

posted April 04, 2019 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
^ Surely during interaction you can feel it? When someone pulls the Plutonic energy on me, I can always feel it.

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In my heart I do feel intensely that something deep is mutual, but how can I be sure that my heart and crazy love is not misleading me?
He might even feel something on subconscious level without being aware of it, because the coincidences between us have been so many and striking that I'm sure there must be a reason for this and this would not happen if a mutual connection wasn't there, but unfortunately I have no evidence of this cause he doesn't openly show it and in this situation I don't even dare to talk about this with him, I am too scared of a rejection or to look like a fool :-(

posted April 04, 2019 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Well, anyhow.. depending on how much time you spend together, the comp is kind of not as relevant if it's not a relationship.

Best to take a look at the synastry and the natals.

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The Kite is also in the synastry... I have it in my own natal chart as well, but this is the only synastry/comp. I have ever had with a Kite! So you mean that it doesn't show a potential in the Comp. but it does in the synastry ? Or it just doesn't show potential at all in any chart until the relationship is established?

posted April 05, 2019 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
In my heart I do feel intensely that something deep is mutual, but how can I be sure that my heart and crazy love is not misleading me?

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That's a possibility. It's also likely he doesn't feel the pull as strongly as you because I find Plutonic energy very in-your-face so you should be able to feel it, esp from someone who has strong Pluto energy natally. Does he?

Also, how often do you talk/meet? If hardly, it'll be difficult to assess.

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He might even feel something on subconscious level without being aware of it, because the coincidences between us have been so many and striking that I'm sure there must be a reason for this and this would not happen if a mutual connection wasn't there, but unfortunately I have no evidence of this cause he doesn't openly show it and in this situation I don't even dare to talk about this with him, I am too scared of a rejection or to look like a fool :-(

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All those synchronicities sound more like a karmic connection? I understand you're scared of a rejection but c'mon, you've been nursing this crush for 3 yrs! How about saying it in a casual manner like: "Hey, I noticed so many similarities between us! Are we pastlife soulmates or what?" and see what he says.

Have you seen the movie 'Love Actually'? I really like the scene where Mark confessed his love for Juliet without expectation of reciprocation. Even if they can't reciprocate your feelings, they will still be touched and they'll always remember you fondly. I know I will be. Neptunian speaking.

posted April 05, 2019 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
That's a possibility. It's also likely he doesn't feel the pull as strongly as you because I find Plutonic energy very in-your-face so you should be able to feel it, esp from someone who has strong Pluto energy natally. Does he?

Also, how often do you talk/meet? If hardly, it'll be difficult to assess.

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Natally, he has Pluto conjunct Moon and Pluto sextile Neptune... and I have Pluto trine Moon/Mercury and sextile Neptune... pretty similar !!
But we're similar in many ways, and that's why I feel we're "soulmates" in the first place. Besides the powerful feeling and connection, we share very similar ideas and political/philosophical views and interests, we're both musicians and human right activists and have same tastes and so on...

unfortunately we don't meet so often, we have common friends and being both musicians we happen to casually meet in places... we're friends on facebook and instagram, so we "follow" each others daily, but I really never got more intimate with him other than this in "real life", cause he has a girlfriend.

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All those synchronicities sound more like a karmic connection? I understand you're scared of a rejection but c'mon, you've been nursing this crush for 3 yrs! How about saying it in a casual manner like: "Hey, I noticed so many similarities between us! Are we pastlife soulmates or what?" and see what he says.

Have you seen the movie 'Love Actually'? I really like the scene where Mark confessed his love for Juliet without expectation of reciprocation. Even if they can't reciprocate your feelings, they will still be touched and they'll always remember you fondly. I know I will be. Neptunian speaking.

When I told my Libra/Virgo guy I really care about him and even if we break up I'll always care about him, I know he was really touched by my confession and he reciprocated my feelings. And I also know that what I said had a lasting impact on him because he would always bring it up... like if I show any disinterest he'll ask if I still care about him, so I know it bothers him and he's afraid that this feeling I have for him might disappear.

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I have started to "believe" in karmic stuff when this weird connection with him has become "heavy" somehow, even scary. I've never believed in anything "psychic", I usually look for logical explanation (Aquarius Sun with Capricorn Mercury :-D ), and believe me, I've been struggling in this, but I've got so many striking evidences that I had almost to surrender in thinking that "something" not logically explanable is there! By the way, yes, now I'm 99% sure there's a karmic connection here, even though I don't know what it is about and why...
But he's a Taurus :-D Gemini Mercury and I know he's completely skeptical about these things! I'm sure he would see me like a weirdo or so if I mentioned such a subject... I'm even sure he noticed the synchronicities but just didn't realize they're impressive and probably just think it's all a bunch of meaningless coincidences... but yes, I feel he feels something, even though he can't be open up cause he's totally committed with his gf since three years and I've heard they now live together :-(
You're probably right but I just can't do that, I'm afraid to waste future chances more than a rejection, a rejection is a certainty right now, but maybe one day... who knows? It would be useless to tell him how I feel, I believe. But who knows, maybe I will do it at the right time, if there's a chance and I feel more confident...

posted April 06, 2019 08:19 AM            

I hope an opportunity will open up for you soon to at least give a sincere confession.

posted April 06, 2019 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
^ Ah... it's really tough if you don't meet often esp. If the meetings happen only by chance. Any possibility to bring this friendship closer and/or establish more regular meetings?

I hope an opportunity will open up for you soon to at least give a sincere confession.

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Thank you so much for your hope and for sharing <3 Somehow, I strongly feel this is "fated", despite the difficult situation, and I can't help to feel this is not over, that something will happen. Maybe I should just move on, but I swear I tried so hard... and any time I was starting to let it go out from my mind, something weird happened, that connection showed up again, by synchronicities or meeting him by chance or other weird stuff, in moments I wasn't absolutely thinking of him... and my obsession started again, LOL. So, I've "given up" somehow to the fact that I can't stop loving him and to the fact that there's "something" keeping us connected. Or that I still have to "learn" something from this story, which I have no awareness yet. We'll see :-)

posted April 07, 2019 10:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
any time I was starting to let it go out from my mind, something weird happened, that connection showed up again, by synchronicities or meeting him by chance or other weird stuff, in moments I wasn't absolutely thinking of him... and my obsession started again, LOL. So, I've "given up" somehow to the fact that I can't stop loving him and to the fact that there's "something" keeping us connected. Or that I still have to "learn" something from this story, which I have no awareness yet. We'll see :-)

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Tell me about it! There were several times I felt this way... ready to shut the door, lock the gates and "bam!" we're back together! My friend advised me to stop trying to "push" this away... to just let things play out... and this is my struggle because it's my nature to wanna have things "settled". So I guess this is one karmic lesson I need to learn.

posted April 07, 2019 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Tell me about it! There were several times I felt this way... ready to shut the door, lock the gates and "bam!" we're back together! My friend advised me to stop trying to "push" this away... to just let things play out... and this is my struggle because it's my nature to wanna have things "settled". So I guess this is one karmic lesson I need to learn.

Well, do keep me posted when you have new developments.

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I will, thank you! :-) yeah, that's exactly how I feel too, to let things play out, usless to try to "avoid" something that feels coming strong "against your will" no matter what :-)