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Topic: Progressed Composite... Stoika7, what do you think?
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Hikaru29
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posted April 14, 2019 10:11 AM
  
Moon will be moving into 11th house soon.
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Stoika7
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posted April 14, 2019 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7879/46691002635_f8d06e08eb_b.jpg I don't know why I can't post the image. Pls click on the link instead. Moon will be moving into 11th house soon.
The main focus here in the Prog. chart is Saturn in Leo 5th house ruler, trine to Neptune in the 5th house. which still points to the feeling of an ideal committed bond, sextile Pluto, so this feeling is still powerful. At the same time, Prog. Saturn square NN and Uranus. This combination points to the fact that the relationship needs to set free from a basic dynamic that doesn't work anymore, and it needs to find a new gear, adjustments, a rebuilding somehow, cause the idea you had of this relationship doesn't work anymore (Prog. Mercury square Jupiter) and at this moment you're both critical and questioning each others feelings (Prog. Moon square Venus). Morever, Venus square Neptune shows the need to accept each other's "real" personality, fault, approach... actually, Prog. Saturn square NN calls for such reality check as well, together with compassion and forgiveness. In this scenario, Prog. Mercury square Jupiter shows that there's still a lot of potential to come into play (together with Saturn sextile Moon, Pluto trine Moon) despite the fact that at this moment communication is harsh and you seem not to understand each others, but you still feel deeply that things can ultimately work out. In fact, I think, when Prog. Moon will move to the 11th house coming sextile to Prog. Sun, a common effort to get closer again might be attempted. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted April 14, 2019 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
The main focus here in the Prog. chart is Saturn in Leo 5th house ruler, trine to Neptune in the 5th house. which still points to the feeling of an ideal committed bond, sextile Pluto, so this feeling is still powerful. At the same time, Prog. Saturn square NN and Uranus. This combination points to the fact that the relationship needs to set free from a basic dynamic that doesn't work anymore, and it needs to find a new gear, adjustments, a rebuilding somehow, cause the idea you had of this relationship doesn't work anymore (Prog. Mercury square Jupiter) and at this moment you're both critical and questioning each others feelings (Prog. Moon square Venus). Morever, Venus square Neptune shows the need to accept each other's "real" personality, fault, approach... actually, Prog. Saturn square NN calls for such reality check as well, together with compassion and forgiveness. In this scenario, Prog. Mercury square Jupiter shows that there's still a lot of potential to come into play (together with Saturn sextile Moon, Pluto trine Moon) despite the fact that at this moment communication is harsh and you seem not to understand each others, but you still feel deeply that things can ultimately work out. In fact, I think, when Prog. Moon will move to the 11th house coming sextile to Prog. Sun, a common effort to get closer again might be attempted.
Thanks, Stoika! You're right about a lot of things... ditching old dynamics and finding new ways to make this work. During our last conflict, I told him how certain things are not working out for us. He made promises yet they all seemed to come with "fine prints" so I don't trust it. I don't doubt his feelings for me though...and I'm thinking whether we should retreat to friendship level and re-work it from there, yet I'm not sure if we can do friendships w/o getting emotional with each other, lol. The silver lining I see from the chart is the small trine with Saturn/Pluto/Neptune and the Saturn sextile/Pluto trine to Moon/Mars. It still shows a will and ability to combine idealism and realism. pMoon will move away from Mercury next month so at least that's one less square to deal with, but Sun/Moon will not form an aspect until Sep and it'll be a quintile - helpful aspect but provided we can keep afloat for that long.
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Stoika7
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posted April 14, 2019 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Thanks, Stoika! You're right about a lot of things... ditching old dynamics and finding new ways to make this work. During our last conflict, I told him how certain things are not working out for us. He made promises yet they all seemed to come with "fine prints" so I don't trust it. I don't doubt his feelings for me though...and I'm thinking whether we should retreat to friendship level and re-work it from there, yet I'm not sure if we can do friendships w/o getting emotional with each other, lol.The silver lining I see from the chart is the small trine with Saturn/Pluto/Neptune and the Saturn sextile/Pluto trine to Moon/Mars. It still shows a will and ability to combine idealism and realism. pMoon will move away from Mercury next month so at least that's one less square to deal with, but Sun/Moon will not form an aspect until Sep and it'll be a quintile - helpful aspect but provided we can keep afloat for that long.
I think that the Moon/Mercury square is the main problem right now... and the Saturn square NN really calls for more indulgence and understandings of the other's nature. Saturn (and the Sun!) in 1st house ruled by Leo ASC (5th ruler) actually shows that there's still a deep serious (love) bond and committment, so I'm not sure you can be just friends :-) Neptune in 5th house trine Saturn is clearly romantic commttiment, even though there's distrust (Neptune square Venus)... I know you don't trust him! Maybe this all just says that the r/s deserves another chance, finding those new ways to make it work. The Moon moving to 11th is certainly a good chance on the emotional level, I think, and until Saturn and Sun are in 1st house, in good aspect to Neptune 5th house, likely you will keep this going, and Uranus looks still "stable" at this moment.... IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted April 15, 2019 12:20 AM
Thanks, I will try to keep this going and not get too stressed by it. 
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Stoika7
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posted April 15, 2019 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Thanks, I will try to keep this going and not get too stressed by it.
Well, Mars-Moon square Mercury is certainly stressful !! And transit Mars is actually conjunct your Prog. Comp. Moon these days... square Prog. Mercury... so I bet your communication is stressful and emotional... but transit Jupiter in Sagittarius (in your Prog. Comp 5th house) might help make things easier this week and for the next few months! (actually... I'm not sure how transits affect Progressed charts, LOL! But why not?) IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted April 15, 2019 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Well, Mars-Moon square Mercury is certainly stressful !! And transit Mars is actually conjunct your Prog. Comp. Moon these days... square Prog. Mercury... so I bet your communication is stressful and emotional... but transit Jupiter in Sagittarius (in your Prog. Comp 5th house) might help make things easier this week and for the next few months! (actually... I'm not sure how transits affect Progressed charts, LOL! But why not?)
Strange that the squares from Mercury to Moon/Mars have been there since a year ago but we didn't start to really clash until of late. Jupiter was conjunct Moon previously but Moon went out of orb last month, so maybe we lost that cushion? because the Saturn-Uranus/NN aspects have also always been there.
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Stoika7
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posted April 15, 2019 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Strange that the squares from Mercury to Moon/Mars have been there since a year ago but we didn't start to really clash until of late. Jupiter was conjunct Moon previously but Moon went out of orb last month, so maybe we lost that cushion? because the Saturn-Uranus/NN aspects have also always been there.
Are those aspects in the Composite as well? (sorry,I can't remember)... in my experience (not so experienced though about Prog. charts!) when the Progressed Moon changes position, there's always a shift in the situation... as far as I understand, Progressed aspects are slow to change (effective changes usually are within a year or so), so I assume that those slow aspects show a potential in long term and it all becomes more significant as soon as Progressed planets move and change their aspects. (hope what I just wrote makes sense!) IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted April 15, 2019 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Are those aspects in the Composite as well? (sorry,I can't remember)... in my experience (not so experienced though about Prog. charts!) when the Progressed Moon changes position, there's always a shift in the situation... as far as I understand, Progressive aspects are slow to change (effective changes usually are within a year or so), so I assume that those slow aspects show a potential in long term and it all becomes more significant as soon as Progressed planets move and change their aspects. (hope what I just wrote makes sense!)
In Composite our Moon trine the love stellium in 1H and Mars is opposing Moon, sextile Mercury. Jupiter is opposite Moon, sextile Venus. What's the same is Saturn square Uranus/NN but not on Asc/IC. I read about pMoon changing positions as well and when I see it moving to 11H I wonder whether it means we're going back to being friends? But 11H also means hopes and dreams, right? IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted April 15, 2019 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
In Composite our Moon trine the love stellium in 1H and Mars is opposing Moon, sextile Mercury. Jupiter is opposite Moon, sextile Venus.What's the same is Saturn square Uranus/NN but not on Asc/IC. I read about pMoon changing positions as well and when I see it moving to 11H I wonder whether it means we're going back to being friends? But 11H also means hopes and dreams, right?
Yes, I've just found the Composite in my old post!... Mars is opposite to Moon and sextile Mercury! But the Progressed aspects, as I was saying, are usually slow and come into play within a year, I also think transits on the Composite and Prog. Composite also come into play... since transit Mars is conjunct your Progressed Moon and square Mercury right at this moment, those Progressed chart aspects are triggered, and since the Moon went out of orbit from Jupiter, those squares probably got into play... I think that whether your relationship definitely changes, you would see a big shift in progressed Saturn and Uranus aspects... I'm still skeptical about the friendship shift cause of the Prog. Sun and Saturn in first house ruled by Leo/5th house trine Neptune (in 5th house)... the 11th house is friendship but also about deep sharing, selflessness and freedom, and it is usually considered a good house also in romantic relationships, so I would assume that the Moon in 11th house would make things much more intimate and peaceful... it wouldn't rule out the friendship scenario of course, but what about Venus sextile NN and Pluto trine Mars opposite Neptune (in 5th house) trine Saturn/sextile Pluto then...? :-) IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted April 15, 2019 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
I think that whether your relationship definitely changes, you would see a big shift in progressed Saturn and Uranus aspects... I'm still skeptical about the friendship shift cause of the Prog. Sun and Saturn in first house ruled by Leo/5th house trine Neptune (in 5th house)... the 11th house is friendship but also about deep sharing, selflessness and freedom, and it is usually considered a good house also in romantic relationships, so I would assume that the Moon in 11th house would make things much more intimate and peaceful... it wouldn't rule out the friendship scenario of course, but what about Venus sextile NN and Pluto trine Mars opposite Neptune (in 5th house) trine Saturn/sextile Pluto then...? :-)
I hope you're right about this and thanks for the encouragement. I thought Mars opp Neptune is negative? IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted April 15, 2019 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I hope you're right about this and thanks for the encouragement. I thought Mars opp Neptune is negative?
Oh yes, it is! it gets on your nerves... but it is within that binding scheme, where Mars conjunct Moon trine Pluto is hot! and Venus sextile NN still points to love, and the Prog. 5th house ruler, so to say that the Progressed chart doesn't suggest simple friendship at this moment...
Well, I still see the stellium in your Comp., so I wish it can work out <3 IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted April 15, 2019 04:50 AM
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Oh yes, it is! it gets on your nerves... but it is within that binding scheme, where Mars conjunct Moon trine Pluto is hot! and Venus sextile NN still points to love, and the Prog. 5th house ruler, so to say that the Progressed chart doesn't suggest simple friendship at this moment...
Well, I still see the stellium in your Comp., so I wish it can work out <3
Ah, yes, you're right. Neptune is part of a wedge with Moon/Mars/Pluto - An irritating yet intensely attractive (hot) dynamic. Fight-kiss-fight-kiss (lol). I definitely felt it. The pChart looks a bit calmer towards the end of the year with Moon quintile Sun/Mercury and Venus starts to conjunct Juno. Moon will only sextile Sun/Mercury next May onwards but not before going out of orb from Mars/Pluto so there goes the heat (lol). Actually I can't wait for Moon to get outta Gemini. I realised that it was when Moon got into this sign that I started to feel unstable & insecure... but I've to wait till end-2020 for Moon to go into Cancer! And then following which pMoon will enter 12th house (retreat into privacy?). I'm projecting so far beyond (lol).
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Stoika7
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posted April 15, 2019 01:18 PM
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Ah, yes, you're right. Neptune is part of a wedge with Moon/Mars/Pluto - An irritating yet intensely attractive (hot) dynamic. Fight-kiss-fight-kiss (lol). I definitely felt it.The pChart looks a bit calmer towards the end of the year with Moon quintile Sun/Mercury and Venus starts to conjunct Juno. Moon will only sextile Sun/Mercury next May onwards but not before going out of orb from Mars/Pluto so there goes the heat (lol). Actually I can't wait for Moon to get outta Gemini. I realised that it was when Moon got into this sign that I started to feel unstable & insecure... but I've to wait till end-2020 for Moon to go into Cancer! And then following which pMoon will enter 12th house (retreat into privacy?). I'm projecting so far beyond (lol).
Gemini Moon is not bad to me, if well aspected! when Prog Moon is quintile Sun/Mercury, then it all becomes "mentally connected" :-)
OMG, would Cancer Moon turn square to Pluto then? well, you'll have time to get ready for further heat, LOL IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted April 15, 2019 02:44 PM
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OMG, would Cancer Moon turn square to Pluto then? well, you'll have time to get ready for further heat, LOL
It will start squaring Pluto from 2021 (provided we're still together!) but also trine Uranus/NN at the same time. I think it will take some intensity off? IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted April 15, 2019 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
It will start squaring Pluto from 2021 (provided we're still together!) but also trine Uranus/NN at the same time. I think it will take some intensity off?
It would suggest a new "phase" in the r/s purpose, looks like a "revolution"... but Moon square Pluto is still intense, it depends from how Mars looks like (it probably will square Pluto as well?)... on whether you're still together, maybe Saturn says something about it... ? IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted April 16, 2019 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
It would suggest a new "phase" in the r/s purpose, looks like a "revolution"... but Moon square Pluto is still intense, it depends from how Mars looks like (it probably will square Pluto as well?)... on whether you're still together, maybe Saturn says something about it... ?
Mars will still trine Pluto, sextile Saturn/Asc by then, but its "saga" to Neptune/Venus/Mercury continues... Both our progressed natal also has Saturn on the Asc now. In addition, my pSaturn conjuncts my natal Saturn and is making several aspects to my natal inner planets (quintile Sun, quincunx Moon, sextile Mercury, semi-sextile Venus, trine Mars). His pSaturn conjuncts his natal Saturn/Venus/Mercury, semi-square Moon/Pluto, sextile Jupiter, quintile Uranus. Seems like we're both going through heavy Saturn individually. I don't know about him but I think Saturn is making me very negative even though if given the right dose, I'm determined to make this work. He may find it too serious or restrictive, I don't know... previously I let the string lose but our r/s became ambiguous (I don't even know if we're together or not) so I tried to do a clean break but we still talked and argued like a couple (lol) and we missed each other. But when we try to be together, there's this rigid structure/routine. It's not that we're bored with each other... IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted April 16, 2019 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Mars will still trine Pluto, sextile Saturn/Asc by then, but its "saga" to Neptune/Venus/Mercury continues... Both our progressed natal also has Saturn on the Asc now. In addition, my pSaturn conjuncts my natal Saturn and is making several aspects to my natal inner planets (quintile Sun, quincunx Moon, sextile Mercury, semi-sextile Venus, trine Mars). His pSaturn conjuncts his natal Saturn/Venus/Mercury, semi-square Moon/Pluto, sextile Jupiter, quintile Uranus. Seems like we're both going through heavy Saturn individually. It's either gonna make us more serious with each other or we may find it too restrictive?
Natal Prog. Saturn on the ASC is usually about personal development, maturity, responsability, it might be stressful or it might just suggest a phase of "growing up"... basically getting suddenly older, LOL :-D (just kidding!)... either way, whether you become more serious to each others or break up (in the worst case scenario), it means you will develope maturity through what you have experienced.
In the Prog. Composite though, it's usually a serious bond "not matter what", even though it might feel restrictive, it's just hard to break the bond. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted April 16, 2019 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Natal Prog. Saturn on the ASC is usually about personal development, maturity, responsability, it might be stressful or it might just suggest a phase of "growing up"... basically getting suddenly older, LOL :-D (just kidding!)... either way, whether you become more serious to each others or break up (in the worst case scenario), it means you will develope maturity through what you have experienced.
In the Prog. Composite though, it's usually a serious bond "not matter what", even though it might feel restrictive, it's just hard to break the bond.
Ok, I did notice a few strands of white hair, LOL.
Thanks for walking me through this, anyway, as I've not really looked at progressed Composites till now. Did you look at yours? IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted April 16, 2019 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Ok, I did notice a few strands of white hair, LOL.
Thanks for walking me through this, anyway, as I've not really looked at progressed Composites till now. Did you look at yours?
Oh Gosh... ahah, it's hopeless, I've looked at any possible chart, LOL
First time I met him, we had the Progressed stellium conjunct Moon, Mars conjunct Venus, Moon trine Mars, Jupiter, Saturn... no Prog. Saturn squares 'cept for Jupiter (in the regular Comp. we have those horrible Saturn squares to the stellium!)... Prog. NN conjunct Neptune, Prog- Moon conjunct ASC... and nothing actually happened, LOL !!
At this moment, we only have the Stellium and Mars conjunct Venus, but all Moon squares to it :-( NN conjunct Sun... Our Natal Porgressed Moons are conjunct for the next few years, I wonder what that means... Our Prog. Comp. is going to change in a significant way only in 2021... with Moon conjunct NN and no more Moon squares, and my prog. Sun is going to conjunct his natal Moon on november 2024 :-(
(well, I'm actually ready to wait for him to Eternity, LOL)
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Hikaru29
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posted April 16, 2019 07:04 AM
The conjunction of pMoons and to NN are nice! It shows great emotional connection. But I think it's really hard to see action if the people are not meeting?But there may still be a chance? Because you never know what the future brings... I hope you won't have to wait for eternity. IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted April 16, 2019 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
The conjunction of pMoons and to NN are nice! It shows great emotional connection. But I think it's really hard to see action if the people are not meeting?But there may still be a chance? Because you never know what the future brings... I hope you won't have to wait for eternity.
Thanks for sharing that hope :-D well... I can wait at least until 2024, I just hope I won't have too much white in my hair, ahahah
Yeah, a lot of great aspects between us in all charts, 'cept for his... girlfriend :-(
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Hikaru29
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posted April 17, 2019 02:53 AM
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Thanks for sharing that hope :-D well... I can wait at least until 2024, I just hope I won't have too much white in my hair, ahahah
Yeah, a lot of great aspects between us in all charts, 'cept for his... girlfriend :-(
Sometimes it's about "timing". IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted May 02, 2019 10:39 AM
@Stoika7,
I just wanna give you an update: we patched back last week when pMoon no longer square pMercury and transit NN applied a close conjunction to our composite Venus at the same time. With the square between pMoon & pMercury gone, we really could talk better w/o feeling emotional & hostile. However, we still have a few more progressed squares to deal with and transit Saturn & Pluto are opposing our composite stellium.  IP: Logged |
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posted May 02, 2019 01:38 PM
Omg Stoika you are good!
Would you mind having a quick look at my progressed composite with someone in my life? 🙏😬IP: Logged | |
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