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Ashes2Phoenix
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posted June 07, 2019 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ashes2Phoenix     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I say subscribe, I mean "common" teachings or beliefs that you don't believe in, challenge or doubt.

Example: You are most attracted to those that activate or reflect your 5th, 7th and 8th house.

Example 2: Women are attracted to men that reflect their Sun/Mars.

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posted June 07, 2019 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are attracted to your Dsc sign.

Mars in Composite represents men.
(I'm not convinced because no one ever talks about which planet represents women)

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posted June 07, 2019 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
asteroids

I'm not saying they necessarily have zero influence, but I do not at all buy the influence some people purport them to have.

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posted June 07, 2019 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definitely asteroids and declinations. Fine-tuning is possible with them, I suppose. But the ten bodies tell all one needs to know.

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posted June 16, 2019 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Asteroids
Chiron
Nodes
Christian Psychics
Declinations

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posted June 16, 2019 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocketrocket     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If aproach to astrology is basic and superficial it's not unusual thing being unable to relate with teachings.

For example: my desc is in gem. I like that air energy, but also I like fire and water ppl.
But, in most cases am attracted to ppl who activate me 3rd house (natural gem) where are Pisces and my Jupiter, which is my chart ruler. Having connection with jup or my Cancer sun( water also) or Mercury or just filling my 3rd house i feel a bond.
Rulers of houses in your chart and natural rulers and those aspects make important connections.
Applying just basic knowledge is trivial and big big misguide.

For Composite are lightly diff rules. Can't remember exactly, but there are planets that are related with older and younger partner(ex:moon is younger partner, sun older.. tell you, not quite sure which planet represent partners itself), midpoints in Composite also can tell us which one is more affected is midpoint of sun and jup is venus and it matches with degree of person's natal chart degree.. Didn't spent enough time with composites, but there are many good astrologers here who can explain it better.

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posted June 16, 2019 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ashes2Phoenix     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@pocketrocket

I've studied astrology for a very long time and this my first hearing about midpoints of the composite telling how impacted a person is by the relationship. I have heard this of the composite which is a chart of midpoints but not midpoints of the composite planets. Did I interpret your post correctly?

As a side note, I don't subscribe to the belief that the composite chart represents a "long-term" couple's relationship dynamics or the relationship as a separate entity. A chart of midpoints is not real, it doesn't exist in time or space. Not attacking you, just adding an example for the thread.

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posted June 16, 2019 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ashes2Phoenix     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you everyone for your comments. It appears asteroids are a common theme.

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posted June 18, 2019 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well the problem with the asteroids is that unlike the 9 planetary bodies (moon thru saturn and the last two being the nodes of the moon) they were named by modern scientists who then picked names out of hats to name those asteroids. That's why it's a little funny when someone claims that the lilith asteroid means betrayal because that's what lilith's story is all about in mythology when the only reason that piece of rock is named lilith is simply because the scientist that discovered it went through a bunch of mythological names and randomly picked one.

That's NOT how it was with the planetary bodies which were named thousands of years ago when people literally thought of them as gods. Therefore all the mythology based around them came FROM THE PLANETS AND THEIR INFLUENCES. Not the other way around. The planet Saturn was a god floating around in the sky and the people could see the steady slow and stifling influence it had on people born under it's certain positions in the sky so they named that floating god Shani, which means the slow one. As the god moves slowly through the sky. The constellation of Leo (Simha) was called this because the people born under it's influence were taller and more regal in appearance than others... not because those stars looked anything like a lion as many people wrongfully assume.

Hence there is a huge difference between the asteroids and how they were named and the traditional stuff. So even if they do have some influence there's no way it has any attachment to their name yet that's what all asteroid astrologers do- link their effects to what they were randomly named by some lab scientist who laughs at the idea of astrology.

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posted June 18, 2019 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been observing the sky for a long time. Everyday... sometimes up to 5-6hrs... Just observing, looking at the charts of people who are close to me, researching the correlation between their lives and astrology.

My observations;

Transits of Nodes , Chiron dont seem to manifest. Either descriptions are faulty or... the influences are very very subtle.

Astreoids... I know juno transits mean nothing. Having them perfectly angled in synastry dont mean anything... No weight at all... So, I dont bother including them to my readings. The main players tell all there is to know.

I believe to master something one shall simplify rather than complicate.

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posted June 20, 2019 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sis:
I have been observing the sky for a long time. Everyday... sometimes up to 5-6hrs... Just observing, looking at the charts of people who are close to me, researching the correlation between their lives and astrology.

My observations;

Transits of Nodes , Chiron dont seem to manifest. Either descriptions are faulty or... the influences are very very subtle.

Astreoids... I know juno transits mean nothing. Having them perfectly angled in synastry dont mean anything... No weight at all... So, I dont bother including them to my readings. The main players tell all there is to know.

I believe to master something one shall simplify rather than complicate.



The only observation here I personally disagree with is regards to the nodes when they are conjunct a personal planet. Nodes conjunct someone else's mars, moon, sun, etc definitely have an affect imo. )I'm still up in the air as to whether the conjunction to the asc/desc in synastry may or may not have an affect as I don't have enough data).

However node trines, sextiles, squares etc... or even having a node sit alone - all these I agree have zero affect. The nodes in synastry only seem to make a difference in a conjunction. I suppose it makes sense considering they are not real heavenly bodies and therefore can't really give off energy, they can only potentially warp energy that is already coming through them- such as in a conjunction.

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posted June 20, 2019 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good stuff!

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posted June 21, 2019 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:
well the problem with the asteroids is that unlike the 9 planetary bodies (moon thru saturn and the last two being the nodes of the moon) they were named by modern scientists who then picked names out of hats to name those asteroids. That's why it's a little funny when someone claims that the lilith asteroid means betrayal because that's what lilith's story is all about in mythology when the only reason that piece of rock is named lilith is simply because the scientist that discovered it went through a bunch of mythological names and randomly picked one.

That's NOT how it was with the planetary bodies which were named thousands of years ago when people literally thought of them as gods. Therefore all the mythology based around them came FROM THE PLANETS AND THEIR INFLUENCES. Not the other way around. The planet Saturn was a god floating around in the sky and the people could see the steady slow and stifling influence it had on people born under it's certain positions in the sky so they named that floating god Shani, which means the slow one. As the god moves slowly through the sky. The constellation of Leo (Simha) was called this because the people born under it's influence were taller and more regal in appearance than others... not because those stars looked anything like a lion as many people wrongfully assume.

Hence there is a huge difference between the asteroids and how they were named and the traditional stuff. So even if they do have some influence there's no way it has any attachment to their name yet that's what all asteroid astrologers do- link their effects to what they were randomly named by some lab scientist who laughs at the idea of astrology.


couldn't have put it better myself.....

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posted June 21, 2019 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted June 21, 2019 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:

The only observation here I personally disagree with is regards to the nodes when they are conjunct a personal planet. Nodes conjunct someone else's mars, moon, sun, etc definitely have an affect imo. )I'm still up in the air as to whether the conjunction to the asc/desc in synastry may or may not have an affect as I don't have enough data).

However node trines, sextiles, squares etc... or even having a node sit alone - all these I agree have zero affect. The nodes in synastry only seem to make a difference in a conjunction. I suppose it makes sense considering they are not real heavenly bodies and therefore can't really give off energy, they can only potentially warp energy that is already coming through them- such as in a conjunction.


How is NN conjunct personal planets supposed to feel?

I'm seriously curious as the shortest and most horrible r/s I had has his Sun conjunct my NN & Dsc. The other 2 r/s that are longer and more loving doesn't have NN-planet conjunctions. Only trines/sextiles.

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posted June 21, 2019 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So the NN tends to expand or exaggerate an energy while the SN tends to dilute or drain an energy. Either can be good or bad depending on the planet and it's influence. as an example: If someone has negative mars tendencies then when your NN conjuncts it, those tendencies will often get worse. You'll argue more with the person or they will be more abusive ect. Someone who handles their mars this way would do better with the SN being conjunct it because it will drain the violent energy from mars making the native less abrupt in a relationship with them.


On a positive note a decent mars conjunct another's NN can enhance sports, friendly competition, friendly debate and activity between individuals.

NN to the Sun- If the Sun person is already rather selfish and arrogant they will be even more so around the NN person. If positive the Sun person will just become more confident and independant.

When the SN conjuncts a planet it tends to drain the energy. So moon conjunct SN is often emotionally draining for the moon person. They may feel that the SN person demands too much of their time and emotional energy and the SN person can feel like the moon person is not cooperative with their goals in life. Over time the moon person can have less feelings for the SN person. NN conjunct the moon is usually great because it enhances the moons feelings for the NN person.

Venus conjunct SN or NN are both usually quite good in synastry as venus is such a benefic and joining influence. However SN conjunct Venus often means over time there will be less romance between the two. This doesn't mean the relationship will be bad though as all relationships go through periods of less romance.

The issue with the nodes is that their effects become more apparent over time. They tend to not be felt until a couple has spent a certain amount of time together. You have to look at the way the planet person deals with their own planet and NN conjuncting that will tend to enhance that, while SN conjuncting it will tend to drain that within a relationship.

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posted June 21, 2019 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are many reasons I believe in asteroids.

Best I can tell, they seem to work on naming and consciousness.

Here is one example:


If I add the "Child" asteroid (#4580) to the synastry of my mother and I, then also add Child to the synastry of my father and I, here is what I get:

My mother's Child is conjunct my Moon.

Coincidence?

My father's SN is conjunct my Child.

I would have expected the Sun would be associated with my father.

That's only one connection of many I located using astrogenetics.

Planets are too general for scientific work IMO.

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posted June 21, 2019 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To address the OP:

I believe very little until I or someone else scientifically verifies it with proof with a large data sample OR I experience it first hand.

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The “natural affinity” between Venus and Mars is trash to me. Yes one can look at any synastric aspect to see how energy plays out; a woman’s Mars squaring a Mans Venus may well mean she will dominate him. However anytime I see a blog boast the romantic glory of this interaspect, I cringe. Very inflated, textbook conservative hogwash. The inner workings of natal charts (and the effects of current transits) are much too delicate to hanker down on planets like that.

Anyways, along that line, what I have noticed in lieu of this, Venus wants to be with Jupiter, not Mars. Mars wants to be with the Sun.

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posted June 24, 2019 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:
NN to the Sun- If the Sun person is already rather selfish and arrogant they will be even more so around the NN person. If positive the Sun person will just become more confident and independant.

He has Sag Sun conjunct Mercury/Neptune, sextile Uranus/Pluto. IME he was very selfish and didn't allow me to have a voice. He would also influence my decisions and belittle me, etc.

How about trines/sextiles? Are they insignificant? I read on Cosmitec that: "Sextiles and/or trines from planets and bodies from person A to the Nodes of person B are less intense and perhaps the most comforting and enjoyable."

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posted June 24, 2019 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The “natural affinity” between Venus and Mars is trash to me. Yes one can look at any synastric aspect to see how energy plays out; a woman’s Mars squaring a Mans Venus may well mean she will dominate him. However anytime I see a blog boast the romantic glory of this interaspect, I cringe. Very inflated, textbook conservative hogwash.

Agree. I also cannot understand the hoo-haa over Venus-Mars. I've experience the trine DW. Nothing fantastic.

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posted June 24, 2019 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ashes2Phoenix:
When I say subscribe, I mean "common" teachings or beliefs that you don't believe in, challenge or doubt.

Example: You are most attracted to those that activate or reflect your 5th, 7th and 8th house.

Example 2: Women are attracted to men that reflect their Sun/Mars.


Great examples lol!

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posted June 24, 2019 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So the NN tends to expand or exaggerate an energy while the SN tends to dilute or drain an energy.


A few men with their NN on my Sun love me (its subconsciously competitive) until they realize they can't be like me (yet; or can't affect me -its the sun), then they angry-resent me in silence. Hold some grudge for a moment. Eventually they try to come back when they realize something in their own energetic destiny, and think of me. My Sun is on my MC so its public domain anyways (and Aquarius). I think NN placements carry responsibility, and are pulling. With these few men, being "myself" all the time while they're in nodal stupor can be taxing. In a way, its exhausting for the planet person to "inflate" in the presence of a NN person. We don't necessarily want to be put in this position either, a single planet isolated for super-giving. Its wonderfully powerful and can distinctly remember picking up on the NN funnel whenever its around and sure, enjoying it, but its like carrying a baby all day.

Maybe worth noting about the synastry of this, unlike planets, theres no true exchange. Even with the Venus-NN placement I've had with some men, there comes a point in the chronology of loving were I realize, I'm almost on a stage, and its not coming back to me to the extent I'm being pulled (hard) to give it. The NN demand is subtle but incessant. Same goes for one of my old professors (a writer), who still reaches out to me to hear my thoughts. Or girlfriends with my moon.

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posted June 26, 2019 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Agree. I also cannot understand the hoo-haa over Venus-Mars. I've experience the trine DW. Nothing fantastic.

I dunno about the trine, but I always have fantastic chemistry with chicks who have Venus around my Mars...it gets sooo physical that when I experienced it for the first few times I was like what the hell loll . In my case it was the Venus that initiated btw and I was not quite used to it, getting groped in a basketball match rofllcopterrr.

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posted July 04, 2019 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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