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Topic: I'm Desperate: Intercepted Houses and Real Life Soulmate Indicators
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JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 12, 2019 10:36 PM
Hello, can someone talk to me about what happens when your planets land in your partner's intercepted houses?For example, my boyfriend has Pisces intercepted in his 12th house with no planets in it, and I put Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Chiron there - all in Pisces (except Saturn - it's at 0 degree Aries). He also has no planets in Virgo, and my Pluto and Uranus are there. We also have in synastry: Sun Saturn trine DW Venus conj ASC Venus Moon DW Eros conj Psyche conj my Union Eros conj DSC Amor conj Mars Neptune conj Sun Neptune conj Moon Vesta conj Sun Moon conj IC Moon conj MC Moon conj Destinn Venus conj Asc Name conjunctions Composite: NN in 12th house Sun conj Saturn in the 8th
Davison has a mystic rectangle The list goes on and on, and the DW on the synastry charts are ridculous. I need someone to tell me what is really happening and/or will happen with this relationship. Please, I'm desperate... I have posted the synastry, composite, and Davison charts, in that order
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Dons2angelss Knowflake Posts: 938 From: Virginia, US Registered: Jan 2019
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posted September 12, 2019 11:39 PM
I know that someone who has no activity going on in their own 12H most of the time will not tolerate someone dropping a lot of energy there. I have a stellium in my 12H so I barely notice when someone's planets activate it unless it's an obvious conjunction. My ex however had an empty 12H and I dropped my moon, Pluto, Mars, and saturn in his 12H and he was a nervous wreck around me but at the same time, he was enthralled with me. It's like a double edged sword. He wasn't used to his 12 being active so being around me was like lighting that house up. IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 13, 2019 12:39 AM
Thank you for replying. His response to me is that I am the one he's been looking for his entire life - that I am perfect, and the most beautiful woman he's ever seen, and he vowed forever... I felt the exact same way - like I could finally breathe.But it's the typical runner soulmate scenario... so I am giving him a lot of space by not pushing this. Everything in my bones tells me this is part of our journey... but it's killing me to be away from him right now. I can feel him thinking about me... it's the weirdest thing I've ever experienced. IP: Logged |
Graham Knowflake Posts: 2527 From: Registered: Apr 2019
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posted September 13, 2019 05:35 AM
quote: what happens when your planets land in your partner's intercepted houses? For example, my boyfriend has Pisces intercepted in his 12th house with no planets in it, and I put Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Chiron there - all in Pisces (except Saturn - it's at 0 degree Aries).He also has no planets in Virgo, and my Pluto and Uranus are there.
The Davison Chart is a natal chart (but, for a relationship rather than a person). ... Hence, as with all natal charts, the objective/purpose is "to make the Sun shine" - by tackling the issues which can prevent that from being achieved. This Davison Chart has Aries/Jupiter/Chiron intercepted in the 11th house; Libra/Pluto intercepted in the 5th house; Cancer duplicated on the cusps of the 2nd + 3rd houses; Capricorn duplicated on the cusps of the 8th + 9th houses - and the Sun in the 8th house. So ... in the relationship ... a problem/issue in the 2nd and 8th houses is adversely affecting the activities of the 3rd and 9th houses - in a way that, until resolved, will prevent the positive qualities of Aries/Libra/Jupiter/Chiron/Pluto being used effectively/appropriately "to make the 8th house Capricorn Sun shine". [In the individual natal charts ... might his interceptions/duplications and your Pisces planets be indicating an 'assertiveness" issue ... that a "shining Capricorn Sun" will not have?] IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 13, 2019 12:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Graham:
The Davison Chart is a [b]natal chart (but, for a relationship rather than a person). ... Hence, as with all natal charts, the objective/purpose is "to make the Sun shine" - by tackling the issues which can prevent that from being achieved.This Davison Chart has Aries/Jupiter/Chiron intercepted in the 11th house; Libra/Pluto intercepted in the 5th house; Cancer duplicated on the cusps of the 2nd + 3rd houses; Capricorn duplicated on the cusps of the 8th + 9th houses - and the Sun in the 8th house. So ... in the relationship ... a problem/issue in the 2nd and 8th houses is adversely affecting the activities of the 3rd and 9th houses - in a way that, until resolved, will prevent the positive qualities of Aries/Libra/Jupiter/Chiron/Pluto being used effectively/appropriately "to make the 8th house Capricorn Sun shine". [In the individual natal charts ... might his interceptions/duplications and your Pisces planets be indicating an 'assertiveness" issue ... that a "shining Capricorn Sun" will not have?] [/B]
Thank you Graham - so how do we resolve these issues? For that matter, should I even bother trying? IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 13, 2019 07:10 PM
Hi - can anyone else please take a look at these charts and tell me what you see?IP: Logged |
Graham Knowflake Posts: 2527 From: Registered: Apr 2019
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posted September 13, 2019 08:58 PM
Your Pluto squares his Mercury, and his Pluto is conjunct your Mars. ... His Mars squares your Mars. ... His Jupiter squares your Venus. ... His Uranus squares your Sun and Mercury ... His Neptune is conjunct your Moon and squares your Saturn.The aspects from his outer planets to your inner planets will create issues that cause emotional pain for you. (So, no surprise that his Ascendant also squares your Moon). Is this really the kind of relationship you want to experience/endure at this point in your life? (If so, the potential for you to balance some past life karma is considerable.} IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 14, 2019 01:47 AM
You're right. I need to cut him loose...IP: Logged |
Graham Knowflake Posts: 2527 From: Registered: Apr 2019
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posted September 14, 2019 05:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by JoJo: You're right. I need to cut him loose...
Your natal Pluto aspects to Uranus, Moon and Mars might make you unable to do that.And ... if either (or both) of you does have an assertiveness issue, this is likely to be a partnership that was "made in heaven". IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 8020 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted September 14, 2019 08:09 AM
quote: I can feel him thinking about me... it's the weirdest thing I've ever experienced.
I can feel someone thinking of me too, and sometimes its bloody hard to handle, especially if you are "almost" with someone else... IP: Logged |
MMarie Knowflake Posts: 1244 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted September 14, 2019 08:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: I can feel someone thinking of me too, and sometimes its bloody hard to handle, especially if you are "almost" with someone else...
What does this feel like? Sometimes I can’t tell if I can feel someone else thinking about me or is it me thinking of them 🤔 lol IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 17868 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2019 08:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by MMarie: What does this feel like? Sometimes I can’t tell if I can feel someone else thinking about me or is it me thinking of them 🤔 lol
I used to get strong butterflies, if they were wanting to contact me, or if they were good feelings. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 17868 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2019 09:01 AM
If he's running, then let him. I remember being so confused by a man, and when he finally said that he needed space, I felt good. Right, that's a line drawn. I needed space, too. Then he contacted me again, four/five days later - back to confusion. You will eventually feel clear on what you want, and if he isn't providing it, then you won't want him anymore. If it's anything like I dealt with. IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 14, 2019 08:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JoJo: [b]You're right. I need to cut him loose...
Your natal Pluto aspects to Uranus, Moon and Mars might make you unable to do that.And ... if either (or both) of you does have an assertiveness issue, this is likely to be a partnership that was "made in heaven". [/B][/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you mean by an "assertiveness" issue. He have an issue with speaking his needs which was a little frustrating sometimes because I already knew what was on his mind. It seemed like times he actually did speak his truth were very uncomfortable for him. I think that had a very big part in his running.
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JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 14, 2019 08:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by MMarie: What does this feel like? Sometimes I can’t tell if I can feel someone else thinking about me or is it me thinking of them 🤔 lol
In my case, it's like I suddenly get a sensation that he's in the room with me. When we would text, we would often say the same things at the same times. We used to laugh and say, "Get out of my head!" IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 14, 2019 08:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: If he's running, then let him. I remember being so confused by a man, and when he finally said that he needed space, I felt good. Right, that's a line drawn. I needed space, too. Then he contacted me again, four/five days later - back to confusion. You will eventually feel clear on what you want, and if he isn't providing it, then you won't want him anymore. If it's anything like I dealt with.
I'm doing my best. He hasn't picked up his things or returned my house key yet so it makes it really hard to go "no contact". I haven't seen him in three weeks - it feels like he's afraid to see my face. I told him he is welcome to drop by when I'm at work to get this things, but... I'm still waiting... IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 14, 2019 08:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: I can feel someone thinking of me too, and sometimes its bloody hard to handle, especially if you are "almost" with someone else...
Yeah. It sucks. I wonder if it's because we have Neptune/Moon and Sun conjunctions.
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Graham Knowflake Posts: 2527 From: Registered: Apr 2019
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posted September 15, 2019 05:08 AM
quote: I'm not sure what you mean by an "assertiveness" issue. He have an issue with speaking his needs which was a little frustrating sometimes because I already knew what was on his mind.
Not being able to speak his needs is an assertiveness issue.But ... so would be being aware of another's needs and not speaking out about them. So ... he does have an assertiveness issue. ... But, do you?
quote: It seemed like times he actually did speak his truth were very uncomfortable for him. I think that had a very big part in his running.
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waxlobster Knowflake Posts: 892 From: Birmingham Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 15, 2019 06:15 AM
This synastry looks so karmic! All those planets in his 12th would make him feel very unstable, almost like you've put a spell on him and are controlling his subconscious. The Mars-Pluto shows passion, the Neptune conjunctions show that you fulfill one another's fantasies but this happens with karmic relationships. There has to be a magnet to draw you to one another and heal the past life complications. Have you ever done any past life meditations? Chances are you two will have power over one another until the energy is released and acceptance and forgiveness can come around. I think the synastry is too explosive to be harmonious. For instance Neptune conjunct Saturn and Neptune square Saturn means that you will tend to lack respect for one another's dreams and think of each other as 'silly' rather than understanding intrinsic needs. His north node in Taurus is looking for stability overall, so I think that's what he will eventually prioritise for his life. You remind him of freer, more creative versions (past life manifestations?) of himself and you've helped him to recognise that creativity is still important to him (Venus conjunct Asc). Anyone can have a relationship with anybody they want, but I think you will choose somebody who is more creative in THIS life and he will choose somebody who is predictable, to balance his mood swings and be his best audience.
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Graham Knowflake Posts: 2527 From: Registered: Apr 2019
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posted September 15, 2019 06:25 AM
quote: So ... he does have an assertiveness issue.
His natal interceptions and duplications indicate that ... a problem in the 4th and 10th houses is adversely affecting the activities of the 1st and 7th houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent him from making the best/most-effective use of the positive qualities of his 6th house Virgo and 12th house Pisces.In the (wholly Capricorn) duplicated 10th house, he has Venus conjunct Jupiter. ... So, during childhood, might his parents (4th/10th) have instilled a Venus-Jupiter belief in him that adversely affects his relationships (5th/11th) in a way that prevents him from appropriately expressing his Virgo/Pisces qualities (and needs)?
quote: ......But, do you (have an assertiveness issue)?
If not ... why is your natal Chiron-wounded Sun-Mercury conjunction (and the opposing Uranus-Pluto conjunction) being stimulated by his inability to appropriately express his Virgo/Pisces qualities?And, why is the Davison Chart indicating that both of you will benefit from developing your Capricorn qualities? IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 15, 2019 12:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE][b]So ... he does have an assertiveness issue.
His natal interceptions and duplications indicate that ... a problem in the 4th and 10th houses is adversely affecting the activities of the 1st and 7th houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent him from making the best/most-effective use of the positive qualities of his 6th house Virgo and 12th house Pisces.In the (wholly Capricorn) duplicated 10th house, he has Venus conjunct Jupiter. ... So, during childhood, might his parents (4th/10th) have instilled a Venus-Jupiter belief in him that adversely affects his relationships (5th/11th) in a way that prevents him from appropriately expressing his Virgo/Pisces qualities (and needs)?
quote: ......But, do you (have an assertiveness issue)?
If not ... why is your natal Chiron-wounded Sun-Mercury conjunction (and the opposing Uranus-Pluto conjunction) being stimulated by his inability to appropriately express his Virgo/Pisces qualities?And, why is the Davison Chart indicating that both of you will benefit from developing your Capricorn qualities? [/B][/QUOTE] My assertiveness issue is that I'm too assertive. I think it's partly due to my Aries Venus conjunct BML and MC.
Like him, I also have Taurus NN. His childhood was traumatic due to his parent's nasty divorce and resulting abandonment by his mom. He lived with his dad, but his stepmother was hateful and abusive, telling him that God would never love him because he was evil. He was estranged from his family for close to ten years as a young adult while he battled (and ultimately overcoming) addiction. From the start I could see that speaking positive things about his feelings for me was easy, but speaking his truth and setting healthy boundaries (especially with his friends - very codependent with him being the giver and they being the takers) was nearly impossible. In fact, the only problem we had was the negative influence of these two people and the tension it caused for our relationship. He was starting to make healthier choices while we were together, and the friendships were changing. They were not going to let that happen and it ultimately caused the break. He tells me every time we talk how much he loves and misses me, but he will not see me - he says our problem cannot be fixed. I feel like I was in a tug of war between positive and negative, which is interesting since he has Sun conjunctions NN. IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 15, 2019 12:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by waxlobster: This synastry looks so karmic! All those planets in his 12th would make him feel very unstable, almost like you've put a spell on him and are controlling his subconscious. The Mars-Pluto shows passion, the Neptune conjunctions show that you fulfill one another's fantasies but this happens with karmic relationships. There has to be a magnet to draw you to one another and heal the past life complications. Have you ever done any past life meditations? Chances are you two will have power over one another until the energy is released and acceptance and forgiveness can come around. I think the synastry is too explosive to be harmonious. For instance Neptune conjunct Saturn and Neptune square Saturn means that you will tend to lack respect for one another's dreams and think of each other as 'silly' rather than understanding intrinsic needs. His north node in Taurus is looking for stability overall, so I think that's what he will eventually prioritise for his life. You remind him of freer, more creative versions (past life manifestations?) of himself and you've helped him to recognise that creativity is still important to him (Venus conjunct Asc). Anyone can have a relationship with anybody they want, but I think you will choose somebody who is more creative in THIS life and he will choose somebody who is predictable, to balance his mood swings and be his best audience.
We both became much more creative together - he started playing his guitar more and I started writing again. Music was our common thread and central to our relationship. Regarding the Saturn/Neptune DW, I have to disagree about not supporting each other's dreams... it was the opposite. We both felt very supported and nurtured with each other. You are right regarding my planets in his 12th... we were spellbound by each other and had a connection to each other that was so powerful that I am not sure how to explain it. The energy between was so heightened that the very first time we actually touched each other both of us kind of jerked away in surprise because the sensation was so strong. Once we got used to it though, we were in physical contact with each other at all times (like a toaster that has to be plugged in to work). I would focus my thoughts towards him at night when we went to bed and hover my hands about an inch or two over his thigh (he is recovering from a work accident that resulted in a broken femur), my hands literally made his pain go away, so it became our routine for me to hover my hands over him on the days he had therapy since he was always hurting afterward. It was the strangest thing too... my hands would start to throb, turn red, and swell. There was a lot of heat and he always told me that he could feel the heat coming from them like a heater... BUT my hands were cold... that blew our minds every single time. We both have Taurus NN.
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waxlobster Knowflake Posts: 892 From: Birmingham Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 17, 2019 02:11 PM
I feel drawn to encourage you to do your Reiki 1. It felt amazing for me and you clearly have a gift for healing. All reiki does is help you bring the energy through you and to channel universal energy, rather than your own. Its hands on too, which is great for Taurus NN. Focus on your own growth and healing. You have a strong connection with your man. Your own healing will heal him too. 🙌💖🙌 IP: Logged |
JoJo Knowflake Posts: 548 From: West Linn, OR Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 18, 2019 02:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by waxlobster: I feel drawn to encourage you to do your Reiki 1. It felt amazing for me and you clearly have a gift for healing. All reiki does is help you bring the energy through you and to channel universal energy, rather than your own. Its hands on too, which is great for Taurus NN. Focus on your own growth and healing. You have a strong connection with your man. Your own healing will heal him too. 🙌💖🙌
Thank you for that. I took a Reiki 1 class a few years back, but it didn't resonate with me. Perhaps it was the teacher, or perhaps I wasn't ready. Who knows? IP: Logged |
itsmeyaz Knowflake Posts: 380 From: Registered: Feb 2019
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posted September 18, 2019 03:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by JoJo: Hello, can someone talk to me about what happens when your planets land in your partner's intercepted houses?
I'm sorry this is off topic, but may I ask how you linked the charts ? IP: Logged |