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Saggy7
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posted June 24, 2020 08:32 AM
  
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posted June 24, 2020 01:48 PM
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posted June 24, 2020 08:18 PM
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Stoika7
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posted June 24, 2020 09:31 PM
Hi dear Saggy7, nice to hear from you again but sorry that you had such a painful experience....I am just noticing that your South Node conjunct to his Sun is square to his Neptune, this is often a "parting ways" aspect, moreover his South node is conjunct your Pluto square his Jupiter... could it be that his work/career has to do with the break-up for some reason ?
He also has Uranus/Chiron opposiiton square Eros and Venus square Saturn, so he might be unstable in terms of relationships on his own.
Other aspects are very intense at emotional and sexual level, but your Saturn/Mercury/Uranus is square his Sun/Mercury, so there might be an incompatibility in your personalities, maybe difficult communication.
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Saggy7
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posted June 24, 2020 09:55 PM
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Stoika7
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posted June 24, 2020 10:45 PM
Too bad we dont have his TOB cause we dont know if the Composite stellium is actually in the 12th house, which would explain the "unsolved" between you two, and we dont know aspects to the angles, btw the Saturn/Uranus midpoint is (almost) exactly square to Jupiter, this is a strong divisive trait and usually a break up/divorce indicator, an unstable trait for long terms at best, since it involves Uranus, the break up can also be unexpected... Neptune square Mars shows that he's not seriously committing, or he might be a player and be interested in someone else, in any case a strong independent trait of the guy from the relationship.I could not find strong transits pointing to the end of the relationship, unless they hit the composite angles which might not be accurate... 'cept for transiting Sun square composite Mars and opposite Neptune. Has the breakup happened just recently? Another thing I have noticed in the synastry though, your Nessus square his Chiron/Uranus opposition. Could he have felt some kind of pressure about committiment? Or could he have some kind of "inferiority issue" as being confronted with you at intellectual level, which might have triggered some deep insecurity of his?
Just guessing..........
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posted June 24, 2020 11:27 PM
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Stoika7
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posted June 25, 2020 12:18 AM
Thanks for giving more context!I think there's some truth from his part cause Composite Saturn is sextile Mars, and in synastry you have a strong (his)Saturn/Moon conjunct (your)Moon/Mars trine your Venus, and the Composite stellium is actually "special", so it's possible that he was honest, as he was in confessing he's a "cheater" and unstable in relationship matters... It is possible that his South Node involved in the Saturn-Moon/Mars-Moon conjunction, and your South Node conjunct to his Sun/Mercury square your Sun/Mercury/Saturn let him lose interest in the face of some arguments, long distance and slow developments... this whole instability and slow developments might be what the Composite Saturn/Uranus square Jupiter shows, and the 12th house stellium might actually be accurate then, I mean, it would fit the context so far... Still, the Mars/Neptune square is there, so even though he was honest, it still suggests he might have ended up making his own choice then... His Venus is in Leo square his Saturn, his Moon is Scorpio, and together with other aspects of his, I think he needs to feel he's "special" for someone in order to keep his interest high. Maybe your Saturn/Mercury square his Sun/Mercury was a bit frustrating and cold for some reason on the communication level, and so maybe also the long wait for something to take off the ground, he's still a earthtly Virgo with a fire Venus, and the Composite stellium is in Scorpio again, so it all seems to require more passion and seduction than logic and talks... ?
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posted June 25, 2020 07:19 AM
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posted June 25, 2020 08:44 AM
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antiphon
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posted June 25, 2020 12:34 PM
The moons conjunct is very good, but the suns square, mercuries square and Saturn square sun is quite bad. I don’t see any reason to think that he lied to you or that it was just your fantasy or that he moved on because he lost interest.IP: Logged |
Saggy7
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posted June 25, 2020 12:50 PM
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serendipity20
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posted June 25, 2020 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Saggy7:
Dear Stoika,It is very nice to hear from you again as well. Here is the composite:  I will wait to hear your opinion on the composite, but in your first post you didn't say anything that wasn't true. Thank you so much for replying, I appreciate you.
Hi Saggy! I just looked at your Composite and saw that you had very similar aspects and sign placements to a Composite I recently posted (rubs hands)!! I'm especially interested in the Pluto conjunct Scorpio stellium energy. Do you identify with the Scorpio placements in your Composite chart (Sun, Moon, Venus and Mercury)? And how do you feel like the Pluto conjunction to the stellium played out so far? Thanks in advance! IP: Logged |
antiphon
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posted June 25, 2020 02:34 PM
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Hi antiphon... what is your opinion what happened if not him losing interest ?
I think your relationship is a complicated mix of positive and negative energies. He isn’t talking to you, so he probably thinks the negatives outweigh the positives. But he’s also not sure if it was the right decision because the positives are really positive. IP: Logged |
Saggy7
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posted June 25, 2020 02:49 PM
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Stoika7
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posted June 25, 2020 04:17 PM
2,5 months ago transiting south node was conjunct Composite Neptune, which is a strong separative aspect, literally "parting ways", and since it's square Mars, it's him leaving the relationship... at the same time transiting Pluto was square to Composite North Node, and Uranus was opposite Composite Pluto, so there was an abrupt change.To answer your question I would need his exact TOB... I think the Composite stellium shows a potential, but it was challenged by those other aspects, especially the Saturn/Uranus square Jupiter, and his own instability (Comp. Neptune square Mars and his natal aspects)... I would also need the second guy's TOB in order to see different houses and angles, which might make a big difference...
But it doesnt sound like the first time you had similar coincidences with you meeting very similar guys, does it ?
I remember once I had noticed you were somehow attracted by similar traits in men, even though this one is a big coincidence... any chance to find out TOB for each of them ?
You might also try a numerology reading, to see if these two guys numbers might have a particular meaning for you. IP: Logged |
Saggy7
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posted June 25, 2020 04:27 PM
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Stoika7
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posted June 25, 2020 06:11 PM
Wow, it is incredible how the charts are similar, especially Composite!
Well, we dont have the first guy's TOB so we cant make an accurate comparison, btw this guy is very attracted to you with his Venus/7th house on your MC trine to your Saturn, his DSC conjunct your Chiron, his ASC conjunct to your Mercury/Sun/Saturn, so maybe he would feel a stronger committment compared to the first guy, even though we dont know the first guy's angles and houses, but this 2nd guy doesn't particularly hit your 7th house, so maybe that's why you don't feel so drawn to him as well.The Composite with the 2nd guy though looks basically the same as with the 1st guy!!! ('cept for houses in the first one, that we don't know...)
Here the Moon is in 12th house, so this looks very uncertain on the emotional level, the stellium is in 11th house trine Jupiter so this looks like a good friendship might come out of this, but the Saturn/Uranus square Jupiter is still there, and also Uranus square MC suggests that this could be a very short lived connection, even though for different reasons than with the 1st guy, likely cause of the Moon in 12th, i.e. a lack of enough emotional involvement. IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted June 25, 2020 06:20 PM
As for numerology, sorry I dont have a parrticular advice, there's plenty of sites that have a numerology calculator, you can check this one I have used some time ago
https://numeroscop.net/
They also have a compatibility section.
https://numeroscop.net/numerology_compatibility/love_compatibility_test/My idea was mainly to check what the two guy's (same) birthday numbers are and if the results have any particular meanings to you, in your life...
https://numeroscop.net/numerology_birthday_meanings/ IP: Logged |
serendipity20
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posted June 25, 2020 07:21 PM
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Hi serendipity! I am here to answer anything you want to know. But please know my answers may be useless to you because I don't know how to interpret aspects properly.I can tell you how it felt. It was an unforgettable experience for me. I felt we were so in tune with each other mentally, spiritually, emotionally...also physically even though we didn't take that next step in our relationship. I wanted everything with that man, a family, children, everything. I felt like he would be more than enough. Life with him, I wouldnt need much else. So you can imagine how heartbroken I was when he pulled away. I was the one who acted out in the beginning..i would start feeling overwhelmed and i would get scared. It left a toll on him.. I'm a very passionate person and I felt all my passions come out around him. He didn't like that. He didn't like us arguing. He couldn't understand that I can calm down in 5 minutes like nothing happened, but he would still be "hurt" over it.. I wish he had more patience with me and I wish he had known that I really do get better with time. I think in so many ways we are so perfect for each other. He was so perfect to me except him ignoring or ghosting me. That one hurts like hell. Please ask anything else. Im sorry if I didn't quite answer your question. Also, I can only hope I get to experience the same connection and bond with someone else again but hopefully that person will stick around and want to make it work despite everything unlike him...
Thanks so much for your response Saggi! I can't even begin to imagine how you feel right now. I really do hope things will work out for you one way or another. Be it with him or with someone completely new and unexpected. Having said that, I don't want to but I'm going to be brutally honest with you  ... I think astrology is a fascinating science, but I sometimes feel like many people cling to it, looking for signs a relationship will somehow rise up from the ashes. In some ways refusing to face the hard reality. If a guy/gal doesn't seem to want to be with you in real life or doesn't treat you right, as difficult and heart-wrenching as this may sound, pick up the broken pieces of your heart and move on. It's useless tormenting yourself over it, looking for signs and transits, hoping things change when you have all the signs you need right there in front of you. If it was meant to be, it will be. In the meantime, have yourself a ball! And who knows... Now when I first looked at your composite I thought to myself wow, these two must really be in tune with each other. The tight love stellium, all those trines to Jupiter, the very wide but nice conjunctions between the Sun/Moon and Moon/Venus... Add a passionate Pluto to the mix, it's magic! Obviously I'm focusing on the flowing and easier aspects in your Composite, but they are numerous so that means something. Those aspects are also very much in line with the way you seem to have experienced the relationship. So maybe your chart is making strong aspects to the Composite while his isn't making as many, or as strong of contacts. Sometimes the Composite doesn't fully add up with both people's lived experience... Peeked at the Synastry and I kinda have to agree with everyone else. Although aspects can manifest in different ways, your Uranus squares his Sun by just 1degree. That's a very tight orb! Traditionally it suggests that he might be very stimulated but somewhat unsettled by you. The communication between the both of you also appears to be quite strained with all the hard aspects involving Mercury, Sun and Saturn. While I don't think he doesn't have any feelings for you (with Moon/Moon, Moon/Mars, Venus/MC...), he just might not feel secure in the relationship as your planets are in strong friction with both his Sun and his Mercury. I happen to have a lot of personal planets in earthy signs (like him), so I can empathize with his need for some form of stability. Will he be back in your life? I have no idea. But as of right now, I'd suggest you muster up all the willpower you have and move past it. I know it's easier said then done, but you just have to take it one step at a time. BTW, thanks again for your response to my Pluto question! From what I gathered, the Pluto energy was apparent in the relationship, but not to the point of being toxic overdose. That's definitely a plus! Not sure about the Scorpio placements question... Can't figure out if they were really a factor in your relationship:/. I'm gonna get to the bottom of this someday!!
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