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efaki94
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posted July 02, 2020 03:27 AM
  
Sorry for posting the same but didnt manage to post the images properly.im a new member in the forum and in astrology general...wish that YOU could give me some insight about this relationship...we are two leos and we are very close from the beggining ...we also met in a very difficult time of our lives for both but sometimes i feel that there is some kind of overwhelm in the air between us and some kind of push and pull... thanks in advance. im in red he is in blue.Synastry
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comdoc
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posted July 02, 2020 09:51 AM
Overall positive synastry potential of 68% (6.8/10). Biggest single challenge is represented by his Capricorn Node conjunct your Neptune; that does not help his future development and material success. His Leo Jupiter square your Scorpio Pluto is overwhelming. Your Draconic Libra Moon/ASC conjunct his Sun suggests past life connection and agreement to work out some karma this time. That would be easier if not sharing same residence. IP: Logged |
efaki94
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posted July 02, 2020 05:12 PM
Comdoc thanks a lot for the answer.. Could you tell me about the node and neptune thing? Also is it bad that my venus don't aspect his planets expect his pluto that contraparallel my venus with 0.03 degreeIP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted July 04, 2020 12:16 AM
HI efaki94your relationship is very binding, in the good and in the bad.
First of all, your natal Saturn is opposite Chiron, and it's square to your ASC/Moon, so it seems you have a deep wound at your self-worth which is triggered by relationships at emotional level, and since your Moon/ASC is square to his Mars/Venus conjunct to your Chiron and opposite Saturn, this is an issue that can be stressful for him, but at the same time he seems to support you in dealing with such wound of yours. The Venus/Mars conjunct Chiron is an intense glue at the intimate level, and with the Saturn opposition there's strong bond and committment, but it could also be that Chiron triggers such a push and pull dynamic in a little toxic co-dependence at psychological level.
In addition to this, he also has a Chiron/Saturn opposition exactly on his MC/IC axis, with your Mercury conjunct his MC, so he might also have a self-assertiveness issue about achievements, self-reliance and self-worth, so there might be a sort of mirror dynamic in which you can see your own wounds reflected into the other, support each other but also be harsh to each other as much as you're harsh to yourself. He might be quite devoted and committed to you, but he could be afraid of not being enough good for you, especially in material terms, cause his Saturn is square to your Jupiter. His North Node conjunct to your Neptune/Uranus can give a strong mind connection and fated feelings, but also platonic love, insecurity and physical separation.
In the Composite, Chiron in Leo conjunct ASC and opposite Saturn/Mercury is your glue again, there's a strong co-dependence where you both need to find your self-assertiveness through the relationship, and since Chiron is square to Pluto, this subconscious dynamic can become toxic, with strong control issues, clash of wills and a communication wall can be arisen between you. Even so, the Saturn/Mercury conjunction is trine to Jupiter, so communication is the key for happyness. Saturn/DSC though is a tough placement and the relationship might find obstacles to become stable, especially cause Uranus/Neptune is square Jupiter, so there might be some kind of challenge in your union with a divisive trait and maybe physical separation, things are not always clear and in the open, and with Mars square to Jupiter there might be strong selfish attitudes.
Composite North Node is trine Chiron/ASC and sextile Saturn, so this looks like that solving your deepest individual issues is the karma bringing you together.
Moon conjunct MC is again very binding and your emotional and intimate world can be very deep. The Moon/Venus midpoint is opposite Jupiter, this seems there's deep love behind those push and pull dynamics, your bond might be long lasting, even thoug the Jupiter/Uranus square might be a break-up and divisive aspect if a balance is not found. IP: Logged |
comdoc
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posted July 04, 2020 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by efaki94:
Comdoc thanks a lot for the answer.. Could you tell me about the node and neptune thing? Also is it bad that my venus don't aspect his planets expect his pluto that contraparallel my venus with 0.03 degree
Welcome. His Capricorn Node indicates down-to-earth practical development of his environment and mental planning abilities. Your Neptune nearby thwarts that developmental path, producing confusion and material dissipation--perhaps through your existing or future debt. Your 5H Virgo Venus and his 1H Scorpio Pluto, sextile by Sign yet contraparallel, contribute to the push/pull you described. Sexually you are both cyclically attracted, then feel dissatisfied when it falls apart. IP: Logged |
efaki94
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posted July 04, 2020 02:34 PM
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HI efaki94your relationship is very binding, in the good and in the bad.
First of all, your natal Saturn is opposite Chiron, and it's square to your ASC/Moon, so it seems you have a deep wound at your self-worth which is triggered by relationships at emotional level, and since your Moon/ASC is square to his Mars/Venus conjunct to your Chiron and opposite Saturn, this is an issue that can be stressful for him, but at the same time he seems to support you in dealing with such wound of yours. The Venus/Mars conjunct Chiron is an intense glue at the intimate level, and with the Saturn opposition there's strong bond and committment, but it could also be that Chiron triggers such a push and pull dynamic in a little toxic co-dependence at psychological level.
In addition to this, he also has a Chiron/Saturn opposition exactly on his MC/IC axis, with your Mercury conjunct his MC, so he might also have a self-assertiveness issue about achievements, self-reliance and self-worth, so there might be a sort of mirror dynamic in which you can see your own wounds reflected into the other, support each other but also be harsh to each other as much as you're harsh to yourself. He might be quite devoted and committed to you, but he could be afraid of not being enough good for you, especially in material terms, cause his Saturn is square to your Jupiter. His North Node conjunct to your Neptune/Uranus can give a strong mind connection and fated feelings, but also platonic love, insecurity and physical separation.
In the Composite, Chiron in Leo conjunct ASC and opposite Saturn/Mercury is your glue again, there's a strong co-dependence where you both need to find your self-assertiveness through the relationship, and since Chiron is square to Pluto, this subconscious dynamic can become toxic, with strong control issues, clash of wills and a communication wall can be arisen between you. Even so, the Saturn/Mercury conjunction is trine to Jupiter, so communication is the key for happyness. Saturn/DSC though is a tough placement and the relationship might find obstacles to become stable, especially cause Uranus/Neptune is square Jupiter, so there might be some kind of challenge in your union with a divisive trait and maybe physical separation, things are not always clear and in the open, and with Mars square to Jupiter there might be strong selfish attitudes.
Composite North Node is trine Chiron/ASC and sextile Saturn, so this looks like that solving your deepest individual issues is the karma bringing you together.
Moon conjunct MC is again very binding and your emotional and intimate world can be very deep. The Moon/Venus midpoint is opposite Jupiter, this seems there's deep love behind those push and pull dynamics, your bond might be long lasting, even thoug the Jupiter/Uranus square might be a break-up and divisive aspect if a balance is not found.
Stoika thank you very much for your deep analysis and for your time. You are so right of what you said I think I really have a thing about my self worth but with this guy I feel for the first time in my life that I can rely on him and I feel he doesn't judge me and understand my feelings. Also about the material things (if I got it right don't know good English) he is very generous with his time and his money he got me the first gift when I only knew him 2 weeks (I'm not used to this and it feels weird in good way). But with all this saturn I feel sometimes a heavy feeling of responsibility when we spend many days in his home (we don't live together) after a while I won't to "run" and I can't imagine being married or leaving my home.
Also I have met his family and we tend to spend our time with them very beautiful. I think he is more stable than me and has less ups and downs. He is more sure about this relationship than me. Also do you think that I should worry about composite Mars opposition to neptune/uranus? I heard it's a cheat aspect 😔
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efaki94
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posted July 04, 2020 02:39 PM
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Welcome. His Capricorn Node indicates down-to-earth practical development of his environment and mental planning abilities. Your Neptune nearby thwarts that developmental path, producing confusion and material dissipation--perhaps through your existing or future debt.Your 5H Virgo Venus and his 1H Scorpio Pluto, sextile by Sign yet contraparallel, contribute to the push/pull you described. Sexually you are both cyclically attracted, then feel dissatisfied when it falls apart.
Comdoc this is so true about plans especially the work plans he is very concerned about that stuff. And the dissatisfaction you describe is real we can have the best sex and be really close and if the sex isn't this good the next time we tend to be a little cold to another.
also this is the other composite chart
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Stoika7
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posted July 04, 2020 03:42 PM
His Leo Jupiter and his Aries Moon trine to his Sun can be very giving, and his Venus in 11th house is sextile your Jupiter, so he seems to be spontaneously giving to you, and he's certainly committing cause his Saturn is trine to your Moon/ASC and his North Node is trine to your Venus.
I would not worry about the Composite Mars opposite Neptune cause it is very wide (9 degrees). Moon/MC sextile Mars and Saturn trine Jupiter signals he's quite loyal instead :-)
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efaki94
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posted July 04, 2020 03:55 PM
Stoika thanks i wish he wont cheat because when i met him there was a girl that had told me that he tend to be very flirty but i dont see something like that.. also there is a girl which is his friend girlfriend and they seem to have better synastry and my mind go crazy everytime i check their charts. also i did the other composite chart but the planets are in different houses  IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted July 04, 2020 05:31 PM
Oh Ok, I hadnt noticed that the previous chart was a Davidson, my bad!About the cheating aspect... I can't see that in your Composite, nor in his natal aspects, cept maybe for his Venus in 11th house which might suggest he can be independent and open in relationship matters, but I don't see this much in your synastry/composite charts... I could check the Composite between him and his friend if you like. The problem I see now here in the midpoint chart can be about long term, cause Vertex is conjunct DSC and opposite Mercury, this is a very otherworldly aspect that can give a strong psychic connection, but it is a very unstable aspect cause the Vertex is linked to astral energies that can make difficult to implement the relationship at a more grounded level, in addition Composite Sun is in the twelve house, another otherwordly and karmic placement that can leave things unfullfilled or unsolved somehow, with an unattainable feeling...
Also, the Saturn/Uranus-Neptune midpoint is square to the MC/IC axis, and this might give strong instability to the relationship and uncertainties about long terms. Moon conjunct MC and Venus trine the Uranus/Neptune sextile Pluto is very nice, it shows the undelying affection, chemistry and the strong emotional bond. The most concerning aspect though is Pluto square to the Saturn/Chiron opposition. This is usually a strong toxic trait, with Saturn square Pluto on its own there's usually a strong clash of wills, and with Chiron involved things might get quite painful with an abusive trait at emotional and psychological level, morever Ixion is conjunct Pluto in the picture, and this can lead to very harsh arguments, words and attitude that could hurt each other. Chiron is in Leo first house, so when this happens, both your self-worth is damaged with a sort of humiliation and self-pity. The other aspects can soften such a strong one, but the toxic dynamic is there. IP: Logged |
efaki94
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posted July 04, 2020 07:06 PM
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Oh Ok, I hadnt noticed that the previous chart was a Davidson, my bad!About the cheating aspect... I can't see that in your Composite, nor in his natal aspects, cept maybe for his Venus in 11th house which might suggest he can be independent and open in relationship matters, but I don't see this much in your synastry/composite charts... I could check the Composite between him and his friend if you like. The problem I see now here in the midpoint chart can be about long term, cause Vertex is conjunct DSC and opposite Mercury, this is a very otherworldly aspect that can give a strong psychic connection, but it is a very unstable aspect cause the Vertex is linked to astral energies that can make difficult to implement the relationship at a more grounded level, in addition Composite Sun is in the twelve house, another otherwordly and karmic placement that can leave things unfullfilled or unsolved somehow, with an unattainable feeling...
Also, the Saturn/Uranus-Neptune midpoint is square to the MC/IC axis, and this might give strong instability to the relationship and uncertainties about long terms. Moon conjunct MC and Venus trine the Uranus/Neptune sextile Pluto is very nice, it shows the undelying affection, chemistry and the strong emotional bond. The most concerning aspect though is Pluto square to the Saturn/Chiron opposition. This is usually a strong toxic trait, with Saturn square Pluto on its own there's usually a strong clash of wills, and with Chiron involved things might get quite painful with an abusive trait at emotional and psychological level, morever Ixion is conjunct Pluto in the picture, and this can lead to very harsh arguments, words and attitude that could hurt each other. Chiron is in Leo first house, so when this happens, both your self-worth is damaged with a sort of humiliation and self-pity. The other aspects can soften such a strong one, but the toxic dynamic is there.
Stoika thanks again for your response. Like you said there is that weird feeling about 12th house sun maybe a hole in our relationship like something is missing but you don't what but after some thought I think is the expectations of the relationship that we have that me or him give so much efforts about this relationship .we met in a time that I had panik attacks everyday and a lot anxiety and he had some problems with drugs. Everything changed the day I met him for me and for him for the good. Really. Also it's true that when we fight we are very mean to each other especially him. He can see that he is hurting me with his words and still keep going. Here is the girl I told you which sometimes seems to flirt with my Leo :P even if her boyfriend is there. His stellium in her 8th makes me little crazy and jealous🙄
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Stoika7
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posted July 04, 2020 09:18 PM
His Neptune/North Node conjunction could be related to his drug issues...The Composite with his friend shows they have affection for each other and also a chemistry is between them, they might feel very familiar to each other and share a lot of common interests. Venus conjunct Chiron gives a potential deep intimacy, but this is highly challenged by the Grand Cross with Pluto, Saturn and Moon, so if they were a couple, this could play out as a strong abusive trait where such intimacy would turn into a very painful and toxic dynamic with ego clashes, control issues, manipulation. But it doesnt look they could ever be a stable couple, since Uranus/Neptune is quincunx to Chiron/Venus, it might just be a short affair and they likely wouldn't be faithful to each other. This is also an aspect that might suggest they share a social life with common friends, they might also share drugs or alcohol habits.
The nodes are widely square the MC/IC axis, this looks temporary binding and karmic, South Node is in 7th house, so I'm not even sure their closeness will be long term . IP: Logged |
efaki94
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posted July 05, 2020 01:59 AM
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His Neptune/North Node conjunction could be related to his drug issues...The Composite with his friend shows they have affection for each other and also a chemistry is between them, they might feel very familiar to each other and share a lot of common interests. Venus conjunct Chiron gives a potential deep intimacy, but this is highly challenged by the Grand Cross with Pluto, Saturn and Moon, so if they were a couple, this could play out as a strong abusive trait where such intimacy would turn into a very painful and toxic dynamic with ego clashes, control issues, manipulation. But it doesnt look they could ever be a stable couple, since Uranus/Neptune is quincunx to Chiron/Venus, it might just be a short affair and they likely wouldn't be faithful to each other. This is also an aspect that might suggest they share a social life with common friends, they might also share drugs or alcohol habits.
The nodes are widely square the MC/IC axis, this looks temporary binding and karmic, South Node is in 7th house, so I'm not even sure their closeness will be long term .
Stoika I thought that it might be just in my mind that their synastry was good but like you said it really is. Hahaha. they don't spend time often together only when my boyfriend meets her boyfriend. One day he had told me that she has a weird kind of humor in a good way. Also she tend to don't respect our personal space like we were together the other day and we were taking about something and we were really close to each other (psychically) and she came really close to us like really close and interrupted the thing so I stared at her wishing that she would take the message. I have told him that she seems she likes him and flirts him and he said he didn't noticed something like that because she is his friend gf.
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posted July 05, 2020 02:01 AM
BTW he wasn't a user in the drug thing if you know what I mean 😑IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted July 05, 2020 09:13 AM
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Stoika I thought that it might be just in my mind that their synastry was good but like you said it really is. Hahaha. they don't spend time often together only when my boyfriend meets her boyfriend. One day he had told me that she has a weird kind of humor in a good way. Also she tend to don't respect our personal space like we were together the other day and we were taking about something and we were really close to each other (psychically) and she came really close to us like really close and interrupted the thing so I stared at her wishing that she would take the message. I have told him that she seems she likes him and flirts him and he said he didn't noticed something like that because she is his friend gf.
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Darling, their synastry is not so good to me in a romantic sense. They might have an attraction cause her Mars is trine his Mars/Venus in her 8th house, so she actually might be more attracted than he is.
In the Composite I see closeness and affection, but with that Grand Cross and Uranus opposite Sun I dont think they feel like being a couple in a romantic sense... With Venus quincunx to Neptune, yes, she might have a flirting attitude, but this could be an attitude of her own since she's Sun/Moon in Gemini and her Venus in 7th house trine Jupiter.
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posted July 05, 2020 09:41 AM
Stoika thanks again for your reply sorry didnt get it that their synastry isn't so good. I think I ll sleep good at night now. Haha. For real. Thank you so so much for your time and your interest 🙏☺️IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted July 05, 2020 12:17 PM
Sorry, her Venus/7th house is trine to Pluto, not Jupiter, and opposite Uranus/Neptune, so she might have a sparkling sensual side, and with the Uranus/Neptune opposition she still looks flirty and playing the field as an attitude of her.You're welcome! IP: Logged |
efaki94
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posted July 05, 2020 02:06 PM
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Sorry, her Venus/7th house is trine to Pluto, not Jupiter, and opposite Uranus/Neptune, so she might have a sparkling sensual side, and with the Uranus/Neptune opposition she still looks flirty and playing the field as an attitude of her.You're welcome!
The truth is that she has that sparkling and she is really attractive that's why I'm jealous hahah😂 can I ask you something more? Could her venus in cancer that fall in our 12th in composite mean something?
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posted July 05, 2020 02:54 PM
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The truth is that she has that sparkling and she is really attractive that's why I'm jealous hahah😂 can I ask you something more? Could her venus in cancer that fall in our 12th in composite mean something?
Her Venus in your Composite 12th house is opposite Neptune and trine to Lilith/8th house, so this would show you don't trust her... to better see the dynamics between the three of you, you should pull out a multicomposite chart between you, him and her, if you can find name asteroids and include them it would be helpful.
But from what I see, I wouldnt worry too much about her, honestly. I would focus more on the divisive aspects between you and him. The Saturn/Vertx in the 7th house with Vertex conjunct ASC opposite Chiron forming the t-square to Pluto is a strong karmic block, and the Sun in 12th house makes things difficult to become more stable. You need to find a more balanced harmony and improve the communication in a more open and understading way to each other. IP: Logged |
efaki94
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posted July 05, 2020 03:20 PM
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Her Venus in your Composite 12th house is opposite Neptune and trine to Lilith/8th house, so this would show you don't trust her... to better see the dynamics between the three of you, you should pull out a multicomposite chart between you, him and her, if you can find name asteroids and include them it would be helpful.
But from what I see, I wouldnt worry too much about her, honestly. I would focus more on the divisive aspects between you and him. The Saturn/Vertx in the 7th house with Vertex conjunct ASC opposite Chiron forming the t-square to Pluto is a strong karmic block, and the Sun in 12th house makes things difficult to become more stable. You need to find a more balanced harmony and improve the communication in a more open and understading way to each other.
im glad that you say that i shouldnt worry about her ...really...well yes i should focus on our relationship more and make things better for me and him .. i have heard about the name asteroid but i dont know how to translate the greek names right
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posted July 05, 2020 03:26 PM
i think i made it
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Stoika7
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posted July 05, 2020 05:04 PM
To me, Mars sextile to venus/chiron in 7th house and trine to saturn shows he's loyal to his current relationship, i.e. to you. Moon is in 4th house sextile Sun and trine to Uranus/Neptune looks like there's harmony between the three of you, Sun conjunct DSC opposite Uranus/Neptune suggests that your relationship with him and his relationship with her ar two different things that he keeps separated, Neptune widely square to Jupiter shows that not everything is openly expressed, and the Grand Cross with Pluto, Chiron, Moon, saturn suggests that there's jelousy between the two women, that she could be an issue between you and him, a cause of arguments or negative vibes... But to me, the Uranus/Neptune opposite Sun shows that such issue is not such a big danger, while making it a big deal with suspects and jelousy could damage your relationship. Where does Lilith fall in this chart? (you can just tell me the house and degree, no need to post a new chart). IP: Logged |
efaki94
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posted July 05, 2020 05:23 PM
The lilith is in 27 of aquarius opposite venus and conjuct saturn in 2nd house. It doesnt sound good.
the other lilith 1181 is in 18 capricorn opposite sun and conjuct ASC neptune uranus The truth is that we used to have fun the three of us I remember one time that she make fun of him because he had buy me a bracelet that had the infinity symbol and he had said that he believes that our love will last forever and she was sarcastic to him and I was laughing too. Till the time she started to touch him too much for my standars and be mean to me. But the weird thing is that if he wasn't my boyfriend I think I would be friends with her because we have some common interests and we used to have nice conversations back then.
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posted July 05, 2020 05:25 PM
Hope I don't bother you with all these questions stoika. Thanks again IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted July 05, 2020 05:44 PM
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The lilith opposite venus and conjuct saturn in 2nd house. It doesnt sound good.The truth is that we used to have fun the three of us I remember one time that she make fun of him because he had buy me a bracelet that had the infinity symbol and he had said that he believes that our love will last forever and she was sarcastic to him and I was laughing too. Till the time she started to touch him too much for my standars and be mean to me. But the weird thing is that if he wasn't my boyfriend I think I would be friends with her because we have some common interests and we used to have nice conversations back then.
When you said that he separate the relationship between me and her could you see how he see the relationship with her?
I think that Lilith conjunct Saturn and opposite Venus suggests he's loyal to you cause Mars is trine and sextile to the opposition, the Saturn/Moon midpoint is opposite Jupiter and trine to North Node, so again he's loyal to his actual girlfriend and since North Node is in the eleventh sextile Jupiter, his perception of her is related to friendship. Even though, Lilith square to Pluto and Moon gives again a subtle vibe of jelousy between the women and your fears that she's a danger to your relationship.
What you say about your past friendship with her and having fun is interesting cause South Node is in 5th house, North Node in 11th house, so this along the Grand Cross looks like your relationship with him has given a more serious tone (not so mcuh fun anymore) to your relationship with her, but since North Node is in eleven, yes the potential friendship is always there. The North Node/Saturn midpoint is conjunct Uranus/ASC/Neptune, so your friendship with her is unstable, with ups and downs, detachment and unclear/unsaid feelings and thoughts to each other. IP: Logged | |
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