posted November 27, 2020 12:03 PM            

This is me

posted November 28, 2020 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi Kimera, can you please post synastry and composite charts?

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Sorry i didnt notice the images not working...

Edit: Synastry

Composite

posted November 28, 2020 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Thanks for the charts Kimera.
I'm looking at the Composite.
You have Sun/Venus/Mercury stellium on the ASC, opposite Mars, sextile Pluto, so this is why you have such deep loving feelings and strong sexual attraction to her.
Mars is opposite Venus/Neptune, this may point to cultural differences but also to an artistic link and/or some kind of social life, alcohol addiction and infidelty, or simply the fact that the two people are not committing in an exclusive way to each other. In fact the Moon/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct MC, suggesting a strong emotional connection and the feeling that this is a long lasting bond, but this is square to the Uranus-Neptune/Venus midpoint and to the ASC/DSC axis, which is an aspect ruling out the possibility of such stable committment...
Uranus/Neptune in 12th house is very platonic and in the big picture I have described it could suggest unrequitted love and physical distance.
Chiron is in 7th house and square to Pluto, Saturn is also square to Moon/Pluto midpoint, this could point to a very painful side of this relationship, an obsessive attachment coming from subconscious issues and potentialy emotionally abusive.
The Saturn/South Node midpoint is conjunct IC and opposite to the Moon/Jupiter midpoint. This suggests that this connection is destined to separation.
Transiting North Node is currently conjunct to Composite South Node, so I believe this separation may occur shortly or that you might have to get ready for a letting go...
Sorry for not being able to give you a more wishful insight... honestly with this Composite I would suggest moving on, 'cause with Chiron/Pluto/Saturn there's a painful attachment which may become unhealthy if you cling to this against your karma. Hugs.

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posted November 28, 2020 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Kimera:
I see. Thank you so much
Edit: There is no way at all to make it work then?

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Nothing is impossible my friend. But you need to get aware of the negative energy of the Composite Saturn/Pluto-Moon/Chiron t-square, this is one of the most potentially harming aspects 'cause it means that deep unsolved personal issues are resurfacing through the relationship in an unhealthy way, and when this occurs one needs to understand where such negative energy comes from and how to heal it instead of mirroring one's own issues on the other person through power control, obsession and so on. This means there's usually a lesson about one's own issues triggered by the relationship and that only through such awareness things might work out, given that the other person is emotionally/romantically available...

The relationship looks very karmic with your axis conjunction in the synastry and your nodes attached conjunct her Uranus/Neptune on your IC...
in Composite, North Node is sextile MC/trine IC, so there's definitely a soul meeting here.

Jupiter trine to the Sun/Venus/Mercury stellium, there's true love/affection and a family-like bond.

With Composite Neptune/Uranus square IC/MC axis and the other aspects I have mentioned, usually the two people have a different direction in life though...

she looks stability but she seems to have some issues at emotional level (natal Pluto-Jupiter/Saturn/Moon t-square and Neptune/Uranus square Venus), she looks quite ambitious and following her own path and might not be up for such deep emotional "chains"... She likely sees you as someone she can feel intimately close but may feel a burden with Saturn square Venus. On the other end, her Chiron is opposite your Sun/Mercury and your Chiron is opposite her Neptune/MC (and your IC), so she likely triggers your past subconscious issues about your self-worth, i.e. she might lead you to feel you're not worth to be loved and stuff like that... (your natal Moon is also square your ASC/DSC, so you might have such emotional insecurity on your own)...
I would suggest to not show pressure and/or obsession towards her.
Composite North Node is in 11th house, this is about unconditional love and friendship.

My main concern is about the reverse transiting nodes on the nodes, with composite south node trine to Saturn... this looks certainly like a shift of the situation, but usually brings difficulties in getting together cause of something that doesn't depend on your will, but from fated circumstances...

Natally you're having transiting nodes square your Sun, so this is a shift as well in your life, with tr North Node on your Mars, transiting Saturn is conjunct your North Node heading to your Moon and you will have your Saturn return early next year, so I think you are going through this emotional struggle now in order to find more stability once your Saturn return will be accomplished.

transiting Pluto is conjunct your IC and opposite your Chiron, so you need to let go of what is not working anymore for you, which is becoming stressful while your healing goes through a change of direction and self-assertiveness... maybe this relationship is meant for you to get more aware of what you need to let go or change at this moment in your life...

Sorry for not having an answer to your question, I guess it mostly depends on whether she's into this, but if she is, keep in mind that there are karmic/astral and also subconscious energies here that make things complex.

posted November 29, 2020 08:05 PM            

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I usually speak on experiences of certain placements. Something that caught my eye is that her Lilith is in your 7th house. I had this placement with someone else and I was so obsessed by this person, I idealised them and thought of them as my perfect partner even though they weren't. You have many of your planets in her ascendant so that also contributes a great deal.

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posted November 29, 2020 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Kimera:
Thanks for your comment. Were you the Lilith or the house person?

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posted December 02, 2020 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by softissues:
No problem, the house person (sigh)

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posted December 02, 2020 03:52 PM            

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Nothing is impossible my friend. But you need to get aware of the negative energy of the Composite Saturn/Pluto-Moon/Chiron t-square, this is one of the most potentially harming aspects 'cause it means that deep unsolved personal issues are resurfacing through the relationship in an unhealthy way, and when this occurs one needs to understand where such negative energy comes from and how to heal it instead of mirroring one's own issues on the other person through power control, obsession and so on. This means there's usually a lesson about one's own issues triggered by the relationship and that only through such awareness things might work out, given that the other person is emotionally/romantically available...

The relationship looks very karmic with your axis conjunction in the synastry and your nodes attached conjunct her Uranus/Neptune on your IC...
in Composite, North Node is sextile MC/trine IC, so there's definitely a soul meeting here.

Jupiter trine to the Sun/Venus/Mercury stellium, there's true love/affection and a family-like bond.

With Composite Neptune/Uranus square IC/MC axis and the other aspects I have mentioned, usually the two people have a different direction in life though...

she looks stability but she seems to have some issues at emotional level (natal Pluto-Jupiter/Saturn/Moon t-square and Neptune/Uranus square Venus), she looks quite ambitious and following her own path and might not be up for such deep emotional "chains"... She likely sees you as someone she can feel intimately close but may feel a burden with Saturn square Venus. On the other end, her Chiron is opposite your Sun/Mercury and your Chiron is opposite her Neptune/MC (and your IC), so she likely triggers your past subconscious issues about your self-worth, i.e. she might lead you to feel you're not worth to be loved and stuff like that... (your natal Moon is also square your ASC/DSC, so you might have such emotional insecurity on your own)...
I would suggest to not show pressure and/or obsession towards her.
Composite North Node is in 11th house, this is about unconditional love and friendship.

My main concern is about the reverse transiting nodes on the nodes, with composite south node trine to Saturn... this looks certainly like a shift of the situation, but usually brings difficulties in getting together cause of something that doesn't depend on your will, but from fated circumstances...

Natally you're having transiting nodes square your Sun, so this is a shift as well in your life, with tr North Node on your Mars, transiting Saturn is conjunct your North Node heading to your Moon and you will have your Saturn return early next year, so I think you are going through this emotional struggle now in order to find more stability once your Saturn return will be accomplished.

transiting Pluto is conjunct your IC and opposite your Chiron, so you need to let go of what is not working anymore for you, which is becoming stressful while your healing goes through a change of direction and self-assertiveness... maybe this relationship is meant for you to get more aware of what you need to let go or change at this moment in your life...

Sorry for not having an answer to your question, I guess it mostly depends on whether she's into this, but if she is, keep in mind that there are karmic/astral and also subconscious energies here that make things complex.

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About this Composite Saturn/Pluto-Moon/Chiron t-square... Are you able to tell if it comes from one side or is it even? (As in we are both equally "guillible"?)

Also, whats with the natal Pluto-Jupiter/Saturn/Moon t-square and Neptune/Uranus square Venus? Ive always felt theres something in there and people who dont know her closely have never believed me. Are you able to tell what kind of issue could it be?
Thanks for your suggestion,and dont you worry cos im so far away from clinginess/obsession that most almost everyone who knows us are completely shocked whenever they find out my feelings for her. Im fact some of them have suggested that maybe even she herself is unaware of it. I think I got the Saturn square Venus energy subconciously therefore my apparent distance and complete normality when we interact both in private and public.

Your main concern is concerning me now too hahaha
"This looks certainly like a shift of the situation, but usually brings difficulties in getting together cause of something that doesn't depend on your will, but from fated circumstances..."
You mean a shift of the situation in a good way but then it doesnt work out in the end cos destiny says so? I can totally see it happening.

posted December 02, 2020 05:46 PM            

You're certainly not obsessive/clingy, your uranus/neptune sextile mercury and quincunx mars could suggest you have your own standards and ideas, you "think different" and in a self-reliant way, even a bit stubbornly, but you also may tend to need others' approval intimately in your choices cause of a slight self-assertiveness issue (Chrion/MC square Venus), so this is one aspect that may be triggered by her or the relationship... here though we talk about a potential aspect (Saturn/Pluto-Moon/Chiron t-square) which might not be visibile yet but that could become influent whether you were in a more intimate/romantic long term relationship... on the other hand, she might certainly be (potentially) obsessive/clingy cause of her natal Pluto/Jupiter square Moon/Mars opposite Saturn... it is possible that as long as you're not a couple, you both may not be aware of how these aspects would play out, but they're potentially there... since she has such a t-square involving Moon/Pluto/Saturn, I would assume she would be the one who could activate the composite Saturn/Moon-Pluto/Chiron t-square, i.e. the issues could come from her own issues but therefore trigger your own issues too... consider that this t-square is one of the most toxic aspects you can find in a relationship, but then of course it depends from the maturity of the two people and it could have all kinds of different expressions... usually, emotionally frustrating and painful though, hitting your most sensible inner "wounds".

With her natal Pluto-Jupiter/Saturn/Moon t-square, she might have an emotional wound from childhood, especially from her father, which has blocked her emotional spontaneity which she replaced with a strong ambitious attitude (Jupiter/Pluto)... Saturn is a bit wide, so she may not suffer depression, but Mars here can give her a lot of reaction as a defence against painful subconscious feelings and fears, but this could also become also a bit selfish and controlling (Mars/Moon square Pluto). all things she might mask easily, apparently, cause of her Mars in Leo, which is quite warm, kind and caring, and her bright independent Sagittarius Sun... her Venus square Uranus/Neptune can make her unstable and idealistic in relationship matters, even though it is a bit wide, but then she also has Neptune/Uranus quincunx Moon/Mars, that can definitely give her a freedom lover trait and difficult committment.

As for the nodal transits, it looks like something in your lives, or in the life of one of you, may keep you separated at this time and make things hard to get off the ground... it looks fated cause life circumstances are likely difficult to bring you closer at this moment. nodal transits to the nodes usually show significant steps in the relationship, or a shift of some kind... since there's a Saturn contact, it looks more about distance than closeness though...

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posted December 03, 2020 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
I also think she may be unaware of your feelings cause of the 12th house planets...

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Thing is I told her a while ago how I felt but in a very Mars in Gemini way hence I think she just took it as a confused friend and nothing else. That situation has changed though since now I feel stronger than ever before in my life. Also, knowing shes a very Plutonian person doesnt help at all...

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You're certainly not obsessive/clingy, your uranus/neptune sextile mercury and quincunx mars could suggest you have your own standards and ideas, you "think different" and in a self-reliant way, even a bit stubbornly, but you also may tend to need others' approval intimately in your choices cause of a slight self-assertiveness issue (Chrion/MC square Venus), so this is one aspect that may be triggered by her or the relationship... here though we talk about a potential aspect (Saturn/Pluto-Moon/Chiron t-square) which might not be visibile yet but that could become influent whether you were in a more intimate/romantic long term relationship...

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I can totally see that now that you point it out. And its good to see it from an objective perspective (the fact that im not clingy/obsessed one in this situation)
And i get that it seems very dangerous...

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on the other hand, she might certainly be (potentially) obsessive/clingy cause of her natal Pluto/Jupiter square Moon/Mars opposite Saturn... it is possible that as long as you're not a couple, you both may not be aware of how these aspects would play out, but they're potentially there...

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I can see that too but being quite honest, and i know I must sound mental but i wouldnt it mind it at all.

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since she has such a t-square involving Moon/Pluto/Saturn, I would assume she would be the one who could activate the composite Saturn/Moon-Pluto/Chiron t-square, i.e. the issues could come from her own issues but therefore trigger your own issues too...

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consider that this t-square is one of the most toxic aspects you can find in a relationship, but then of course it depends from the maturity of the two people and it could have all kinds of different expressions... usually, emotionally frustrating and painful though, hitting your most sensible inner "wounds".

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With her natal Pluto-Jupiter/Saturn/Moon t-square, she might have an emotional wound from childhood, especially from her father, which has blocked her emotional spontaneity which she replaced with a strong ambitious attitude (Jupiter/Pluto)... Saturn is a bit wide, so she may not suffer depression, but Mars here can give her a lot of reaction as a defence against painful subconscious feelings and fears, but this could also become also a bit selfish and controlling (Mars/Moon square Pluto).

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I never thought about it this way! That explains a lot. If thats where she hurts I might have an idea how to deal with it.

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all things she might mask easily, apparently, cause of her Mars in Leo, which is quite warm, kind and caring, and her bright independent Sagittarius Sun...

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Mask is a keyword here, isnt it? Which means those issues may be hidden deep within on her subconscious or maybe she does know it but isnt willing to share with anybody EVER. The fact that most of her inner planets are fire and the rest are Scorpios is kinda confusing sometimes.

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her Venus square Uranus/Neptune can make her unstable and idealistic in relationship matters, even though it is a bit wide, but then she also has Neptune/Uranus quincunx Moon/Mars, that can definitely give her a freedom lover trait and difficult committment.

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I have noticed this traits also. I do know she believes in true love and she respects the concept but somehow I feel she subconsciously feels that will never happen to her. Im not saying at all that I should be the one to change that but at least I wanna make her realize that this is definitively not the case... I mean, she is just as deserving of love as anybody else...

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As for the nodal transits, it looks like something in your lives, or in the life of one of you, may keep you separated at this time and make things hard to get off the ground...

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Can I pm you about this one, please?

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it looks fated cause life circumstances are likely difficult to bring you closer at this moment. nodal transits to the nodes usually show significant steps in the relationship, or a shift of some kind... since there's a Saturn contact, it looks more about distance than closeness though...

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posted December 03, 2020 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Unfortunately on here there's no way to send a pm and they dont want us to post our email address... I could ask Randall if he can send you an email with my email address though, if you want.

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All good, sorry for the inconvenience hahaha

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I will reply in details later, but I would ask you a favour meanwhile, could you please post a new Composite chart from astro.com adding Juno, Vertex, Eros and Psyche? Thanks!

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Thank you. Is this alright?

posted December 03, 2020 02:40 PM            

With the anti-Vertex opposite to the stelliun in 12th house the chart looks pretty supernatural... this adds a strong karmic and fated vibe to the 12th house, which was already a karmic indication, but with the anti-vertex it gets a magic element of fate and a soulmate feeling. This is why you say you truly love her. For those who believe in it, it would suggest a past life, anyway that there is an unsolved issue. With the Vertex opposition there could be an overwhelming craving and belief that you're meant to be together, but this carries an unattainable side as the astral energy bringing you together belongs to an otherworldly dimension difficult to experience in the earthly plane, this means that whether you're a couple this unattainable side for a complete union and merging of two souls in one might still be there and feel unsolved.

With Juno the picture is now a little different for me. First off, Juno conjunct North Node looks again magic, fated, and it gives the feeling that you're destined together as a couple. Juno/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct Moon, this is usually a strong indication of long term and marriage.
Venus/Mars midpoint is conjunct to MC and to the Moon/Jupiter midpoint. This is also another strong indication of a long lasting love bond (do you work in the same professional field?) and of an intense chemistry at sexual level.
Eros/Psyche midpoint is square Moon, which gives an intense emotional and romantic exchange.
Psyche/Mars midpoint is opposite Eros, this would point to your loving feelings for her.

Looking at these aspects, one would say that you're meant together and will love each other for life, likely getting married.

The risk that this all may stay unattainable and platonic though is still there, cause of the 12th house planets and Vertex opposition, especially cause of Neptune conjunct Uranus opposite Mars with Mars quincunx to Saturn. This aspects involving Mars are weird cause one would assume that it is the man who wouldn't commit. In any case, this may suggest a difficult committment, and also the South Node/Saturn midpoint conjunct IC would suggest a difficult taking off the ground for some reason...

Basically there are two opposing indications, with the aspects I mentioned before it looks like marriage material and long time committment, the others suggest an unattainable platonic side difficult for committment.
This might mean that despite the good potentiality, there might be other difficult circumstances keeping you separated, and it takes to look at transits for possible developments, but at this moment they dont look so favourable for getting close... on the other hand, transiting Saturn and Jupiter are travelling through the stellium and trine to Jupiter, so this should actually bring developments... I am honestly puzzled!

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Thing is I told her a while ago how I felt but in a very Mars in Gemini way hence I think she just took it as a confused friend and nothing else. That situation has changed though since now I feel stronger than ever before in my life.

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ahah, Gemini Mars! I think you felt stronger about this cause of transiting Saturn going direct on the stellium and transiting nord node trine to MC. Since Jupiter is also going through the stellium, I think it would be a favourable moment to send her a clearer message :-)

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Sorry to ask again but how it does unfolds? And how can we work on it?

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That t-square is very stressful especially cause it involves both Pluto and Moon, so here the same emotionally intense glue between the two people can literally turn to a weapon damaging the relationship and their personal emotional/psychological balance, in negative moments it could unfold with unintentional or intentional manipulation of the other's emotions, using the deep knowledge you have of the other weak points one can (even subconsciously) use it for psychological self-defence purpose, for instance blaming the other for some issue cause they were not enough good in solving the issue or blaming them if something is not working in the relationship using those weaks point of theirs as the reason for everything going wrong, or stuff like that... Chiron opposite Saturn can have a very critical attitude which can hurt a lot. But it may not be so visibile either, maybe just an unintentional attitude from the other person might hurt the other's sensitiveness with no particular reason, for instance...
How can you work on it, Chiron is the wound healer but sometimes it is the healer, other times it is the wound, it depends on how you deal with Chiron and your wounds, in this case composite Chiron is in Leo so it suggests ego issues, Saturn square Pluto is an aspect of ego clash on its own, harshly confrontational, so the two people need to keep their own ego issues at bay.

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Mask is a keyword here, isnt it? Which means those issues may be hidden deep within on her subconscious or maybe she does know it but isnt willing to share with anybody EVER. The fact that most of her inner planets are fire and the rest are Scorpios is kinda confusing sometimes.

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Well she's Pisces Saturn in 11th house, so I assume both things you said, this is partly buried in her subconscious, but the part she's aware about she's likely not sharing, apparently she mainly shows her complete assertive and bright side to the outside world (the fire elements and Aries ASC).

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I do know she believes in true love and she respects the concept but somehow I feel she subconsciously feels that will never happen to her. Im not saying at all that I should be the one to change that but at least I wanna make her realize that this is definitively not the case...

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Venus square Neptune/MC can give her such a hopeless trait about relationships and she might feel not worth to be loved, this is also reflected to neptune quincunx Moon/Mars, which might actually give her also some kind of addiction to replace an emotional void, or simply the fact that she subconsciously "escapes" stable bonds.

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Is there something that can be done about it? (Supposing the distance comes from my side?)

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If it depends from you, I guess you could certainly give it a try and open up more clearly with her, the stellium and neptune in the 12th house could give a lot of misundertsanding about the other's feelings and intentions, so the Mars opposition to this might suggest that unclear messages may come actually more from you than from her...?

About the fated circumstances... I don't know, I would actually be curious to hear what they are in order to understand what you could do about it... so if you want to share more privately let me know, as I said I could ask the moderator to give you my email or I could give you the address of another forum where you can PM me.

posted December 03, 2020 08:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Thank you!

With the anti-Vertex opposite to the stelliun in 12th house the chart looks pretty supernatural... this adds a strong karmic and fated vibe to the 12th house, which was already a karmic indication, but with the anti-vertex it gets a magic element of fate and a soulmate feeling. This is why you say you truly love her. For those who believe in it, it would suggest a past life, anyway that there is an unsolved issue. With the Vertex opposition there could be an overwhelming craving and belief that you're meant to be together, but this carries an unattainable side as the astral energy bringing you together belongs to an otherworldly dimension difficult to experience in the earthly plane, this means that whether you're a couple this unattainable side for a complete union and merging of two souls in one might still be there and feel unsolved.

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Woah. Supernatural, magic, soulmate, past lives. We`ve got everything going on... It sounds really intense. I knew there was something of this nature going on... What if we find a way to tap on that extra dimensional energy?

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With Juno the picture is now a little different for me. First off, Juno conjunct North Node looks again magic, fated, and it gives the feeling that you're destined together as a couple. Juno/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct Moon, this is usually a strong indication of long term and marriage.
Venus/Mars midpoint is conjunct to MC and to the Moon/Jupiter midpoint. This is also another strong indication of a long lasting love bond (do you work in the same professional field?) and of an intense chemistry at sexual level.
Eros/Psyche midpoint is square Moon, which gives an intense emotional and romantic exchange.
Psyche/Mars midpoint is opposite Eros, this would point to your loving feelings for her.

Looking at these aspects, one would say that you're meant together and will love each other for life, likely getting married.

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It sounds so idyllic and perfect that its making me want to call in sick at work today so I can tell her all of this...

"(do you work in the same professional field?)"

Our professions are linked and it interest us as hobbies too although now we`re not working as that (however, our part time gigs belong to the same industry)

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The risk that this all may stay unattainable and platonic though is still there, cause of the 12th house planets and Vertex opposition, especially cause of Neptune conjunct Uranus opposite Mars with Mars quincunx to Saturn. This aspects involving Mars are weird cause one would assume that it is the man who wouldn't commit. In any case, this may suggest a difficult committment, and also the South Node/Saturn midpoint conjunct IC would suggest a difficult taking off the ground for some reason...

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Basically there are two opposing indications, with the aspects I mentioned before it looks like marriage material and long time committment, the others suggest an unattainable platonic side difficult for committment. This might mean that despite the good potentiality, there might be other difficult circumstances keeping you separated, and it takes to look at transits for possible developments, but at this moment they dont look so favourable for getting close... on the other hand, transiting Saturn and Jupiter are travelling through the stellium and trine to Jupiter, so this should actually bring developments... I am honestly puzzled!

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posted December 04, 2020 12:44 AM            

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ahah, Gemini Mars! I think you felt stronger about this cause of transiting Saturn going direct on the stellium and transiting nord node trine to MC. Since Jupiter is also going through the stellium, I think it would be a favourable moment to send her a clearer message :-)

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That t-square is very stressful especially cause it involves both Pluto and Moon, so here the same emotionally intense glue between the two people can literally turn to a weapon damaging the relationship and their personal emotional/psychological balance, in negative moments it could unfold with unintentional or intentional manipulation of the other's emotions, using the deep knowledge you have of the other weak points one can (even subconsciously) use it for psychological self-defence purpose, for instance blaming the other for some issue cause they were not enough good in solving the issue or blaming them if something is not working in the relationship using those weaks point of theirs as the reason for everything going wrong, or stuff like that...

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I see... It does sound really toxic and tbqh Ive been working of my own issues for a while so it doesnt affect other people surrounding me.

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Chiron opposite Saturn can have a very critical attitude which can hurt a lot. But it may not be so visibile either, maybe just an unintentional attitude from the other person might hurt the other's sensitiveness with no particular reason, for instance...

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Ive also felt this with me being oversensitive for no particular reason whatsoever. Ive always took it as a logical development between our Suns in Square.

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How can you work on it, Chiron is the wound healer but sometimes it is the healer, other times it is the wound, it depends on how you deal with Chiron and your wounds, in this case composite Chiron is in Leo so it suggests ego issues, Saturn square Pluto is an aspect of ego clash on its own, harshly confrontational, so the two people need to keep their own ego issues at bay.

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Well she's Pisces Saturn in 11th house, so I assume both things you said, this is partly buried in her subconscious, but the part she's aware about she's likely not sharing, apparently she mainly shows her complete assertive and bright side to the outside world (the fire elements and Aries ASC).
Venus square Neptune/MC can give her such a hopeless trait about relationships and she might feel not worth to be loved, this is also reflected to neptune quincunx Moon/Mars, which might actually give her also some kind of addiction to replace an emotional void, or simply the fact that she subconsciously "escapes" stable bonds.

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If it depends from you, I guess you could certainly give it a try and open up more clearly with her, the stellium and neptune in the 12th house could give a lot of misundertsanding about the other's feelings and intentions, so the Mars opposition to this might suggest that unclear messages may come actually more from you than from her...?

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About the fated circumstances... I don't know, I would actually be curious to hear what they are in order to understand what you could do about it... so if you want to share more privately let me know, as I said I could ask the moderator to give you my email or I could give you the address of another forum where you can PM me.

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posted December 04, 2020 01:25 PM            

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The only thing that comes to mind which could combine positively these two apparently contradictory situations is the choice of not putting any label on it and just take it how it comes. Maybe even choosing to keep it open. In that way we could be emotionally committed but without the need of the institutionalism of marriage. A partnership in which both of us are as free as possible. Unlabeled. Just the two of us and thats it. What do you think?

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This is actually what Neptune/Uranus opposite Mars and Mars quincunx Saturn would suggest, a very free/open kind of relationship. The problem here in this case is the t-square again... if besides the neptune/mars opposition you had only very harmonic aspects, it would mean that you both can deal very well in such an open relationship. With the Chiron/Moon-Pluto/Saturn t-square in the picture, I'd warn you that such a free relationship may actually become the issue, triggering controlling and blaming attitudes against such freedom sooner or later. or one of the two may not be so at ease as it initially appeared.

If you dont mind, PM me at http://www.astrologersforum.com/forum/viewforum.php
my username Eva7
(but you would have to register here)

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There are some things left untold from last time. Although it would go against your suggestion of not pressuring. And what if it depends on her?

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Well, opening up about your feelings doesnt necessarily mean pressuring :-) by pressuring I meant with a clingy and demanding attitude, but then we noticed you're not like that, so I have ruled out that speaking out would actually pressure her, on the contrary it would help against the "blurred" aspects of the 12th house...

posted December 05, 2020 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
This is actually what Neptune/Uranus opposite Mars and Mars quincunx Saturn would suggest, a very free/open kind of relationship. The problem here in this case is the t-square again... if besides the neptune/mars opposition you had only very harmonic aspects, it would mean that you both can deal very well in such an open relationship. With the Chiron/Moon-Pluto/Saturn t-square in the picture, I'd warn you that such a free relationship may actually become the issue, triggering controlling and blaming attitudes against such freedom sooner or later. or one of the two may not be so at ease as it initially appeared.

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Woah, this has gotten so comple that i have no idea what to say anymore...
Is poligamy out of the question then? I mean, im not the thrilled about it but if that is what it takes, so be it...

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Well, opening up about your feelings doesnt necessarily mean pressuring :-) by pressuring I meant with a clingy and demanding attitude, but then we noticed you're not like that, so I have ruled out that speaking out would actually pressure her, on the contrary it would help against the "blurred" aspects of the 12th house...

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You mean speaking out as a full blown love confession?

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If the issues depend on her, I think of two options, she might not be up to this, i.e. her feelings might not be mutual on the romantic level (unrequitted love, which the 12th house plantes could also suggest) but with those Juno's aspect I would honestly think her feelings may be mutual instead...
So maybe there's something else, life circumstances that may not be favourable for developing a stable romantic relationship... ?
Or, in addition, her "fears" about committing could be the issue here.

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Im still puzzled about what do you consider as life circumstances in here? And yeah, that later part sounds accurate. Fears of commitment. Classic sagi... But what about her Scorpion traits? Arent they all about commitment? Would our Composite Pluto conjunct Moon in our 11th house be useful for her then?