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AmberMoon
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posted February 22, 2021 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread is inspired by a mountain of recent discussions and readings with psychics, tarot readers and astrologers regarding my “person.” Basically, this man I’m attracted to is supposedly having certain fantasies of me on the regular involving role play, power play and pain play. One very open minded reader even said they were “messed up.” 🥺 I am being told to keep my distance. I kind of want to know if this is something that he likes normally, if this is something I’m triggering in him or a combination of both? I will add some house placements as some are important I think:

So in his natal chart, he has moon in Capricorn (conjunct my Neptune and sextile my Pluto) opposite his Nessus in Cancer 12th house, which is trine my Dejanira in Scorpio and squaring both of our Liliths in Aries (we have a 10 year age gap). It seems there are some control issues with the feminine at baseline and my Lilith and Deja are not making things easier but I’m still very new to this.

Also in his natal, he has Mars in Gemini opposite Neptune in Sagittarius 5th house which is conjunct my Venus and trine my Nessus in Leo. His 4th house Pluto is trine his Mars and sextiling my Venus too. I read somewhere that Mars opposite Neptune in natal can make for aggressive fantasies?

Also, he has a conjunction of Chiron and Tantalus that I am exploding with my Pholus. Does he find pain somewhat tantalizing? I don’t know, I’m just spitballing here.

Any help would be appreciated!

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Tbh, it would likely be more helpful/productive to see his full natal.

If he has issues, he likely has general issues independent of you. Though, it is possible that you trigger some things in him as well. But first, it would be good to look at potential markers for NPD, ASPD, and the like.

In MOST of the charts I have done in relation to these types (when they are or seem accurate), I have seen definite patterns and markers that correspond to their issues. That means, they were born strongly predisposed to such tendencies.

There probably are cases here and there of someone being born "decent", but for whatever reason(s), they end up using their freewill in an increasingly limiting and/or destructive manner, thus changing the chart (and their psyche) for the worse i.e. majorly devolving.

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posted February 22, 2021 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the stiff-upper-lip UK, children over the age of two tend to have no physical contact with their parents unless they are being punished. ... Hence, the article at http://www.theweek.co.uk/film/44932/the-english-vice-why-do-we-love-talking-about-spanking

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posted February 23, 2021 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don’t know why, maybe it’s me being new here, but I just don’t feel like exposing his natal chart to a bunch of (very nice, cool and smart) strangers on the internet. Maybe I’ll warm up to that idea in time. But maybe I could send his chart to you in a more private setting? I was more or less wondering if those specific aspects can cause a propensity to darker fantasies with all the Neptune, Nessus, Deja, Lilith, Moon, etc., involvement. He does have an exact Sun Pluto square in natal which I feel makes him very good at hiding things but he is a very nice, warm, friendly, law abiding person. Seems religious too and is a devoted father. Probably never even gotten so much as a speeding ticket in his whole life. If he’s hiding something, he’s pretty darn good at it. He has good relationships, close friends and family, no addictions and a really good job so he’s not a degenerate loser or anything.....just maybe some interesting appetites.

Graham, that article made me chuckle, LOL. But, are you trying to cryptically tell me something......?

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posted February 23, 2021 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VeronicaNicole     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its a little hard without both of your charts to pin point where all of this is coming from, there are likely several telling aspects that could paint a more complete picture. It is likely that what all you listed plays a role, but its hard to have a clear idea what his intentions might be. Idk but I would get to know this guy alot better before getting yourself in a situation you may not like.

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posted February 23, 2021 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
“expose” the synastry, or your natal, not his.

typically - your own perception of him is yourself anyhow.

Capricorn is a feminine (receptive) cardinal sign, doubtful your expectation for brutality has to do with his “Moon” here

All the Capricorn Moon Men I know happen to be attracted to soft, considerate women, as they should be. Sure, a few (the ones with Virgo/Pisces Suns) have kinks about boundaries, but with Capricorn, consent is their “baseline”.

Internet-led occultism can be so daft sometimes. I genuinely wonder if even 2% of the people talking about astrology in the 21st century have read at least one extensive/hardcore book on the subject (in the last month, let’s be real), or perhaps only repeating what strangers say on social platforms, reenacting ego as knowledge lol

Tbh, your concern about sharing a generic birthdate in history and an overemphasis on his “secret” life without evidence tells me you’re more likely the one with this (pain body) issue called to attention

Masculine signs are Air and Fire

Don't take my tough direction about astrology personally. I have Saturn in 9H. Not trying to blow your mind/cover here, but whatever’s been said about “your person” is about you, is your own shadow - not necessarily them - especially if you’re the one getting the third-party “readings”

The asteroids you’ve extrapolated in synastry for justification are so minor that I’m compelled to call the fixation out ~ clarification required (post chart/s)

For the record if we’re going to generalize, an opinion not universal, “control” in the usual derogatory-sense is a Taurus expression

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posted February 23, 2021 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
“expose” the synastry, or your natal, not his.

typically - your own perception of him is yourself anyhow.

Capricorn is a feminine (receptive) cardinal sign, doubtful your expectation for brutality has to do with his “Moon” here

All the Capricorn Moon Men I know happen to be attracted to soft, considerate women, as they should be. Sure, a few (the ones with Virgo/Pisces Suns) have kinks about boundaries, but with Capricorn, [b]consent is their “baseline”.

Internet-led occultism can be so daft sometimes. I genuinely wonder if even 2% of the people talking about astrology in the 21st century have read at least one extensive/hardcore book on the subject (in the last month, let’s be real), or perhaps only repeating what strangers say on social platforms, reenacting ego as knowledge lol

Tbh, your concern about sharing a generic birthdate in history and an overemphasis on his “secret” life without evidence tells me you’re more likely the one with this (pain body) issue called to attention

Masculine signs are Air and Fire

Don't take my tough direction about astrology personally. I have Saturn in 9H. Not trying to blow your mind/cover here, but whatever’s been said about “your person” is about you, is your own shadow - not them - especially if you’re the one getting the third-party “readings”

The asteroids you’ve extrapolated in synastry for justification are so minor that I’m compelled to call the fixation out ~ clarification required (post chart/s)

For the record if we’re going to generalize, an opinion not universal, “control” in the usual derogatory-sense is a Taurus expression [/B]


Wow, aren’t you just a delight! 😀 Thank you for taking time out of your day to welcome this somewhat anxious newcomer with kindness which is pretty much nonexistent in today’s world. Notice how I’m on my path to learn more and I’m ASKING questions and not stating my findings as fact. From my understanding, we’re all here to bounce ideas off each other, not put down, accuse and belittle others - especially if they’re not as advanced as you seem to be oh wise one. Please forgive this simpleton if she got things all wrong. God, you sound like every horrible teacher I ever had growing up. But I can’t say I didn’t learn SOMETHING from our interaction. I will now go add personality traits of “pretentious, self-righteous know-it-all” to people with Saturn in 9th house.

I will not apologize to you or anyone else about not wanting to post a chart. Maybe I will get there in time. I just wanted to know if the few aspects I found would begin to explain what I was being told by more than one person. If not, just say no and move along.

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posted February 23, 2021 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
think/interpret what you want about me

I exposed my own placement for the sake of comprehending the vibration of opinion being shared. When you understand astrology better (in time), you’ll understand our “interaction”. It’s not personal

I didn’t ask an apology? but if you’d like one from me, I can offer one. I’m sorry

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posted February 23, 2021 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
think/interpret what you want about me

I exposed my own placement for the sake of comprehending the vibration of opinion being shared. When you understand astrology, you’ll understand our “interaction”. It’s not personal


LOL, you’re “vibration” reeks of narcissism. You know, those people who go out of their way to show how much smarter they are than you, belittle you, throw out horrible untrue accusations at you and then end it with “aww shweety, don’t take it personal 😉 .” Gross.....

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posted February 23, 2021 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
K-🤲🏽 You’re right

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posted February 23, 2021 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by AmberMoon :-

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Graham, are you trying to cryptically tell me something......?

Yes, ma'am.

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posted February 23, 2021 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha! Okay, I like you're subtlety. Very "cheeky."

Spanking, hmmmmm? Well, as you can see from the verbal exchange above, I'm not really one to be pushed around and dominated and my mouth can get me into trouble, so I could probably play a good brat that needs punishing, LOL. In all honesty though, I'm not going to get entangled in that.

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posted February 23, 2021 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Haha! Okay, I like you're subtlety. Very "cheeky."

Spanking, hmmmmm? Well, as you can see from the verbal exchange above, I'm not really one to be pushed around and dominated and my mouth can get me into trouble, so I could probably play a good brat that needs punishing, LOL. In all honesty though, I'm not going to get entangled in that.


Perhaps he sees you as the spanker rather than the spankee.

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posted February 23, 2021 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AHHAHAH, omg, I can just see it now.....a 6 foot 5 brute of a man over my knee....

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posted February 23, 2021 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't trust anything that's said by these people, without having spoken to him about any of this yourself. I understand the attraction to getting readings, but I have never been one to call a psychic for a reading. I went to a talk from one who was famous, after my mother died, and he seemed to get some things right for a few people in the audience, but he hardly read for anyone, and was rude to one woman who was dealing with the loss of her baby, because it sounded like she was asking for a reading. I went right off him, after that, and I'm not into HayHouse people either.

I have no suggestions, if you don't want to share synastry, or your charts, I'm sorry. People can read anything into a chart, though.

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posted February 23, 2021 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AmberMoon:
LOL, you’re “vibration” reeks of narcissism. You know, those people who go out of their way to show how much smarter they are than you, belittle you, throw out horrible untrue accusations at you and then end it with “aww shweety, don’t take it personal 😉 .” Gross.....

She apologized. I can understand why you were put off by her other post, but I don't think vansio apologizes, if she doesn't mean it.

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posted February 23, 2021 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AmberMoon:
AHHAHAH, omg, I can just see it now.....a 6 foot 5 brute of a man over my knee....

And ... afterwards ... saying "I'll be back" (with a nod to the 6'2" shorty, Arnold Schwarzenegger)

or "just call me Marion" (with a nod to the 6'4" John Wayne)

or "oh, to be in England" (with a nod to Robert Browning).


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posted February 24, 2021 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Teasel - I guess I was just really taken aback by what all these readers were saying and how they were all pretty much saying the same exact thing. It just seemed so different from his public persona and not sure I believed it myself or take it as fact, so that’s what prompted me to dig a little deeper into things and ask questions to try to find some semblance of an answer. Maybe I am too simple and naive in my astrology but I’m just starting my learning process and having fun. I said that a few times in my original post and even asked if someone would want to take a look privately at the charts which I’ve seen other people do.

I understand vansio apologized but that came after quite a few edits to her original post which started out super MEAN. I then quoted her post and as I was typing my reply to it - that’s when she apologized (if you even call that an apology). But it was too late in my book, shots were already fired. But I guess that’s what happens when you decide to go up against a person with a Scorpio planet stellium and MARS in the 9th.....

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posted February 24, 2021 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
“expose” the synastry, or your natal, not his.

typically - your own perception of him is yourself anyhow.

Capricorn is a feminine (receptive) cardinal sign, doubtful your expectation for brutality has to do with his “Moon” here

All the Capricorn Moon Men I know happen to be attracted to soft, considerate women, as they should be. Sure, a few (the ones with Virgo/Pisces Suns) have kinks about boundaries, but with Capricorn, [b]consent is their “baseline”.

Internet-led occultism can be so daft sometimes. I genuinely wonder if even 2% of the people talking about astrology in the 21st century have read at least one extensive/hardcore book on the subject (in the last month, let’s be real), or perhaps only repeating what strangers say on social platforms, reenacting ego as knowledge lol

Tbh, your concern about sharing a generic birthdate in history and an overemphasis on his “secret” life without evidence tells me you’re more likely the one with this (pain body) issue called to attention

Masculine signs are Air and Fire

Don't take my tough direction about astrology personally. I have Saturn in 9H. Not trying to blow your mind/cover here, but whatever’s been said about “your person” is about you, is your own shadow - not necessarily them - especially if you’re the one getting the third-party “readings”

The asteroids you’ve extrapolated in synastry for justification are so minor that I’m compelled to call the fixation out ~ clarification required (post chart/s)

For the record if we’re going to generalize, an opinion not universal, “control” in the usual derogatory-sense is a Taurus expression [/B]


🙌👍👍👍 yes!
Thank you for putting your neck out there and being honest. People hate honesty lol and of course you’re going to get backlash (I do all the time 🤣 but it needed to be said and it’s the truth. I thought the same things immediately (using minor asteroids to try justify something that hasn’t even been proven?, not wanting to post a birthday? Etc.) You’re not a narcissist at all lol just perceptive, knowledgeable, outspoken and honest and I respect you for it 💪🏻.

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posted February 24, 2021 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jesis Krist on a stick, I wasn’t justifying anything. Do you people have ANY reading comprehension? I said I was new at all this, doing some research on my own and just ASKING QUESTIONS. This is how some of you respond to newbies who are just starting out asking questions? Well if it is, I think that says more about you than it does about me. How Vansio worded their response to my questions was completely unjustified and rude, and their accusations towards me were not only hurtful but completely untrue. You didn’t see what was said before she edited her post. By the way, I don’t hate honesty, I hate rude pretentious jerks who pick on newbies, say things that are totally out of line and uncalled for, and then tell me not to take it personally. Some of you people need to get off your high horses and stop being so self important. Flex all you want but it’s just gross. How’s THAT for honesty?

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posted February 24, 2021 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, Graham, thanks for choosing to play around and have some fun with my naughty question and not responding with judgmental self righteous airs. It seems we could use a few more like you around here.

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posted February 24, 2021 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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By the way, Graham, thanks for choosing to play around and have some fun with my naughty question and not responding with judgmental self righteous airs. It seems we could use a few more like you around here.

Sorry, I wasn’t being self-righteous.

I wonder if the others picked it up, after the first one put it into your head? I don’t know, they may be onto something. I guess it depends on if you want to find out. I was going to ask who is the older one, but I don’t know if that matters. My sister married an older man, and I have nothing good to say about him. He has mars in Gemini, too. He hit on me, and destroyed my relationship with my sister. He’s 23 years older than me, 25 years older than her, and I’ve just realized that he is the older one for you, going by Neptune placements. There are people here who have had great age-gap relationships, I’m personally biased against them.

I don’t know many cappy moons, that I’m aware of. I suppose you could trigger fantasies in him, because of the Neptune conjunction, but that’s also a generational aspect.

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posted February 24, 2021 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Jesis Krist on a stick, I wasn’t justifying anything. Do you people have ANY reading comprehension? I said I was new at all this, doing some research on my own and just ASKING QUESTIONS. This is how some of you respond to newbies who are just starting out asking questions? Well if it is, I think that says more about you than it does about me. How Vansio worded their response to my questions was completely unjustified and rude, and their accusations towards me were not only hurtful but completely untrue. You didn’t see what was said before she edited her post. By the way, I don’t hate honesty, I hate rude pretentious jerks who pick on newbies, say things that are totally out of line and uncalled for, and then tell me not to take it personally. Some of you people need to get off your high horses and stop being so self important. Flex all you want but it’s just gross. How’s THAT for honesty?

Flex all you want? How was she flexing LOL it never ceases to amaze me how people always correlate you pointing out the obvious/facts about something OBJECTIVE with their own ego. If you’re right and you know you are, and so you say it, somehow you’re now a “narcissist” or “self-righteous” and on “a high horse” .Or maybe it’s actually not that deep at all and someone can actually just be knowledgeable or right about something and that’s actually the case in reality and not just a “ego delusion”. How are we on high horses and self important for pointing out the obvious..... ? This has nothing to do with our own opinion of ourselves? lol like what.
Just because someone is right about something and you don’t like it or want to accept it/believe it, doesn’t make the other person wrong/rude for saying it.
Stop being so sensitive and in YOUR ego and getting mad at us for acknowledging it. Not wanting to post a birthday (you can edit out the place and name even) is super weird considering this is an astrology forum and that’s what you do here.....
You’re being so defensive and secretive about this for a reason;
YOU’RE A STALKER.
He would probably be super creeped out if he knew you were getting all these readings about him, let alone about his sex life, when you don’t even know him that well and aren’t together. You call him “your person” yet he’s just someone you are attracted to.
Like if I knew someone I wasnt involved with was getting psychic readings about my sexual proclivities and trying to use astrology and strangers to verify it for them when they DONT EVEN KNOW IF ITS TRUE YET and there’s a possibly you’ll never even get to find out firsthand (has he even showed interest in you sexually?) and at this point it’s really none of your business what he does or doesn’t do sexually: it’s all pretty weird and irrelevant.
This whole thread is a waste of time.
“How’s THAT for honesty” 👍🤷‍♀️✌️

Next time don’t be a kcuntt and be rude to Vansio when she was very polite to you. She even said not to get offended, she offered an apology etc. yet you still couldn’t help yourself. All because YOUR EGO was offended, THAT’S gross.

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posted February 24, 2021 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmberMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wooow, this thread is totally paralleling my life right now. Finally standing up for myself after 30+ years of horrible rotten verbal and emotional abuse has made a lot of people around me very very angry. They miss their meek little people-pleasing doormat but she’s dead and gone. I guess that does make me a kcuntt. I wear that epithet as a badge of honor after what I’ve been through, so thank you. 😀

I did not like the way she chose to talk down to me and the assumptions she made of me (not fact, but her opinion, and definitely not polite) in her response and I stated as such. It had nothing to do with my ego. It’s called a boundary and I put it up. I didn’t call her a narcissist, I said her vibration felt like narcissism. I’ve spent the last few years setting boundaries for how I expect to be treated, after years of treating people like gold and getting only crap in return, and I see it’s going to be no different here. Making unnecessarily hurtful comments, belittling, making someone feel inferior for just asking a simple question on an astrology board and then telling them “hey I’m just being honest, don’t take it personal, don’t be so sensitive” and then making them feel bad for putting up said boundary sounds a lot like....hmmmm....abuse? Again, you guys didn’t see it before she edited it. And the apology sounded weird....? So so many untrue and hurtful assumptions are being made about me by you two and if you want to give your horrible opinion of me and call it objective truth and fact, be prepared to take it right back because it’s coming.

I don’t need nor want to be psychoanalyzed every time I ask a simple question about someone on here. I’m a grown woman, I’ve been through enough and I don’t have time for it. I know who I am. I will simply ignore attempts from others in the future, because you’re right this is a GIANT waste of time. When I want to ask a question about my own personality I will post my natal chart and happily receive brutally honest feedback about myself. When I want to ask a question about someone else, I want your opinion on my question of my person only and not a judgy hurtful unnecessary commentary on my character so don’t even go there. Got it? Good. I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels that way.

This is a interpersonal astrology board where people come to discuss other people and their love relationships.....we’re ALL stalkers if we’re here posting our love interest’s charts and asking all sorts of questions about them, LOL. So sue me if I just wanted a quick opinion on some aspects and didn’t want to plaster his chart on here.

Also Teasel I didn’t feel you were in on it at all. You were actually decent so thank you.

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posted February 24, 2021 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The last edit I made to my post, that’s different to the comment you quoted in the meantime for reference, was adding the word “necessarily”

Enough people observe me on this board to understand that I edit-often for comprehension’s sake, like as a first draft, not to be deceptive.

I stand by what I said, and also my apology. If one doesn’t trust themself, they can’t trust others. Best of luck

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