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darkdreamer
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posted March 17, 2008 06:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just gathering some random informations here:

Differences to WEstern astrology:

1. whole sign houses
2. whole sign aspects
3. aspects are:
a) conjunction and opposition for all
planets
b) Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th house / sign (trines)
c) Mars aspects the 4th and 8th
d) Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th

4. planets:
Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu (NN and SN)
- some modern vedic astrologers start using Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, too

Natural benefics:
Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter

Natural malefics:
Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu / Ketu

5. Strenght of planets:
There are many things to consider, but some of these are:
a) planets in own or exalted sign are strong
b) retograde planets are considered strong
c) Sun and Mars in 10th, Moon and Venus in 4th, Saturn in 7th, Mercury and Jupiter in 1st are strong
d) aspects to a benefic strengthen the planet, aspects to a malefic weaken the planet
e)planets in sign of a friend are strong, planets in sign of an enemy are weak

5. Different charts used:
a) Lagna chart (with ASC falling into the 1st house)
b) Chandra chart (chart with Moon as the 1st house)
c) Navamsa chart (like the 9th harmonic)

Actually the normal (Lagna chart) is always read together with the Navamsa chart, and the Navamsa chart can strengthen or weaken the Rasi (Lagna-chart).


6. Chara Karaka:
Karaka means significator; every planet sifnifies something like Venus being the natural significator of marriage, relationships.

But there are additional Karakas, depending on the longitude of the planet:
a) planet with highest longitude: Atmakaraka (significator of soul and self)
b) planet with lowest longitude:
Darakaraka (significator of relationship and partner)

7. Additonal techniques:
a) Arudha Lagna
- look where oyur Lagna or ASC is located. Then see, where its lord is.
Count from the ASC-sign to its lord.
Then count the same number forwards from lord.
The sign, which you arrive at, is your ARudha Lagna.

Ex:
Lagna is in Libra; Venus is in Aquarius:
Libra - Aquarius: 5 signs
Aquarius + 5 signs: Gemini
So the ARudha Lagna would be in Gemini

Exception:
if the Arudha Lagna is the same or opposite the Lagna, then you take the 10th sign from Lagna.

Like in my chart:
Lagna in Scorpio; Mars in Scorpio - so technically the Arudha Lagna would be the same as the Lagna, in this case I would have to pic the 10th sign from Lagna, which is Leo, so my Arudha Lagna is Leo.


"...reveals how others perceive the native's personality. It shows how the person projects their illusion or glamour into the world."


b) Upapada:
- count from the 12th house to its Lord and then the same number forwards

Ex:
Libra in 12th house; 12th house ruler in Sagittarius (3 houses from Libra).
So I count 3 houses from Sagittarius onwards and reach Aquarius, so Aquarius is my Upapada

There are apparently two conflicting views on the Upapada (UL):

One view is that it indicates the public view on marriage, another is that it shows the karma that will give you the opportunities to meet, so that a relationship can manifest. And that karma that draws two people to each other, is to be seen in the Upapada Lagna.

But basically they seem to agree, that the UL shows your marriage partner.

c) Darapada:
- count from the 7th house to its Lord, then onwards

Ex:
Taurus in 7th house; Venus in Sagittarius (8 signs from Taurus), so I count 8 signs onwards and reach Cancer, which is my Darapada.

DArapada also shows your relationship, but with a high focus on sexual activity, a physical relationship.
http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Topics/arudha_lagna.htm

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posted March 17, 2008 08:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To get an overview over compatibility in relationships, you would look at:

1. Venus as the natural karaka for relationships and the wife (and for women: also look towards Jupiter as husband)

2. ruler of the 7th house (especially in contact with Lagna or ruler of the 1st house of the other person)

3. Sun-Moon

4. Moon-compatibility

5. Venus - Mars

6. Nodal axis (Rahu and Ketu)

7. Atmakaraka and Darakaraka (significators for Self and partner)

8. Upapada and Darapada

It seems that you always compare:
Rasi - Rasi
Navamsa - Navamsa
Rasi - Navamsa
Navamsa - Rasi


Well, the Vedics only have the conjunction and opposition as mutual
aspects, but they use whole-sign-aspects, even though aspects in
close orbs are seen as the stronges ones, but basically all planets
in Sagittarius would oppose a planet in Gemini, no matter on what
degree.

Regarding the comparision, it`s similiar to the draconics, at least
as I see it.

The Rasi`s signify the physical manifestation of a relationship, the
surface, or maybe the better word would be: the consciousness.

The Navamsa`s signify the soul, the depth, the unconsciousness.

And aspects between Rasi and Navamsa connect those two. Probably
those are the best to have, since they connect consciousness with
unconsciousness. One partner expresses, is, lives out (Rasi), what
the other desires deep within (Navamsa).

If you only have connections through the Rasi`s, it may be that this
could be a rather superficial relationship, founded on material
ground, without too much spiritual or emotional depth.
But on the other hand, if you have a very strong Navamsa-synastry
without Rasi-aspects, it could mean that even though deep inside your
souls are in touch with each other, that you will never know about
it, or despite some very strong attraction it will be difficult,
maybe impossible to actually form a relationship.
The soul (navamsa) must have means to manifest (Rasi) itself.


Regarding the bridge, the Navamsi- Rasi-aspects I found that quote:
"The navamsha reveals traits, desires, hopes, dreams, fears etc.
which are dormant, but trying to rise out into consciousness in your
life. You find the partner who is already acting these out in the
material world. You are intensely attrcted to this person; they are
everything you admire, everything you crave, everything you want to
be. This person completes you; expresses you; forms your `other
half`. Naturally, you marry them!"

Well, this might explain the phenomenon of onesided attraction.
Let`s say person A has his Mars conjunct `B`s Navamsha Venus, but at
the same time there are no aspects to person A`s navamsha, then B
would be insanely attracted to A, but since there is no connection to
A`s navamsha, deeper soul urges, A wouldn`t reciprocate the feeling.

I also found this system:

"An alternative system for measuring compatibility has been recently described by Arastu Prabhakar in The Times of Astrology, in which 6 factors are considered, each scoring 6 points, giving a maximum total of 36 points.

The 6 factors are:
(1) Matching of the Ascendant, Lagna lords and Rajayogakaraka planets in the two charts.
(2) Matching of the 7th house and 7th house lords.
(3) Matching of the natural significators for marriage.
(4) Matching of the 7th houses from the Moon, and their lords.
(5) Matching of the 7th houses from Venus.
(6) Overall influence on the 7th houses in each chart."

and

"There are many, many factors to consider, but some of the more important ones are:
(1) planets supported by the great beneficial influence of Jupiter, especially the Moon.
(2) a connection between the Ascendants and/or Luminaries in the two charts, (3) benefic influences on the Moon in general.
(4) support for the planet of love and comfort, Venus, particularly from Moon, Jupiter or Venus.
(5) a mutual influence between the sexual planets Mars and Venus.
(6) the influence of the nodes, particularly with the Sun, Moon or Ascendant. suggesting possible karmic bonding."


http://www.bava.org/private/relationships.htm

I think for the most important ones I would look at aspects between:

- Sun, Moon, Nodes and Lagna (ASC)
- Venus, Mars, Nodes and Lagna
- ruler of 7 / Darakaraka to Sun, Moon, Nodes, Lagna, Venus, ASC, ruler of 1 or 7 or Atmakaraka
- ruler of 1 / ATmakaraka to Sun, Moon, Nodes, Lagna, Venus, ASC, ruler of 1 or 7, or Darakaraka


additionally:
- aspects of the Upapada and Darapada, especially looking for the Upapada in conjunction, trine or opposition from the other`s Lagna or even the Upapada ruler being in the same sign as the other one`s Lagna (same for Darapada).

- I am not sure about these two, yet, but it seems that at least the Upapada creates opportunity or karma to meet.

DD

ps.: If I have understand anything wrong, please feel free to correct me. I just put it as I understood it.

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posted March 19, 2008 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've learnt quite a bit on Vedic. I've studied it for 10 years. The issue I have is my own chart doesn't make sense when I see the Vedic because it shows Sun Moon and Venus in Libra along with Gemini Rising. I am none of them. Likewise, it is hard to predict relationships from Vedic as well.

I would love to know if your predictions based on Vedic has been accurate.

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posted March 19, 2008 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting! Many thanks for sharing this with us.

I plan to look at this a lot more, but what I've noticed so far is that when using the planets up to Saturn...
--my Atmakaraka (Soul, Self) is the Moon; my SO's Darakaraka (Partner) is the Moon.
--my Darakaraka is Mercury; his Atmakaraka is Mercury.

That works out well.

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darkdreamer
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posted March 19, 2008 08:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mblover,

thank you for thinking I have learned quite a bit.
But actually those are just the few tidbits I have gathered over the last two weeks.
You know I was reading one article, and there was yet another new word I didn`t know. So I had to google it, with more informations. And so on.

However, I think if you`re doing Vedic astrology you should "forget" Western astrology.
For example: I have a Moon in Capricorn in Danishta in Vedic.
I don`t identify with the western interpretation of a Capricorn-Moon (my tropical Moon is in Aquarius), but from the Vedic point of view it makes some sense I must admit.

I have a stellium of Sun, Mercury and Venus in Sagittarius in 2nd house in vedic.
Now, with the Western interpretation that wouldn`t make much sense.
But knowing that the 2nd house in Vedic astrology also refers to speech, writing, voice and relatives, makes a whole lot sense.
Venus is also ruler of my 7th house. So,
And I`ve always felt very attracted to the way a man was talking or even his voice alone.

Of course you can find the theme in Western, too. Mercury, the ruler of my 7th house aspecting Venus, ruler of 5th house. It sais basically the same.
The voice (Mercury/ Venus) of someone is appealing (Venus as ruler of 5th house) for me.

Jane,

so yet another thing we have in common.
My Atmakaraka is also Moon and my Darakaraka is Mercury.


DD

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posted March 20, 2008 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's an honor, darkdreamer.

So in sidereal, your Moon is in Cap. Mine is in Cancer. You wrote that Vedic astrology only looks at conj and opp's. Do they consider opp's challenging aspects? Or are our opposing moons a sign that we're soulmates?

My sidereal Merc is in Sco, like it is in my tropical. Is your sidereal Merc in Sco too?

Since we have the same atma and dara, that means you're also a nice match up for my SO. Remind me never to let you two speak. (Home wrecker! )

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Good morning, Jane,


"Do they consider opp's challenging aspects?"
They see them as complimentary, as connecting Yin and Yang, and therefore they see it as a sign of a VERY strong attraction.
In the navamsa / 9th harmonic Music-man`s Sun is exactly opposite my Moon, and my soul has always been very drawn to him, even though it`s something that cannot manifest in reality.

But basically the opposition is a very good aspect for attraction.
So, I guess, our minds (Vedic see the Moon as symbol for the mind) and emotions are very complimentary.


" Or are our opposing moons a sign that we're soulmates?"
Do you really have a doubt about that?


"My sidereal Merc is in Sco, like it is in my tropical. Is your sidereal Merc in Sco too?"
Nope, mine is in Sagittarius, conjunct my Sun and Venus.
BTW is your vedic Venus in Cappy? And what about your ASC? I think I remember you said you have a SCorpio ascendant. Does that change into a LIbra ASC?
If so, then your first house ruler would be Venus, as is my 7th house ruler (Taurus in 7th house).

"Since we have the same atma and dara, that means you're also a nice match up for my SO. Remind me never to let you two speak."
Ah as long as he is not gay or a singer or in other ways unavailable, he is safe from me.
But of course, being engaged to you means he is kinda unavailable.
Do you, by any chance, happen to have a pic of him? Or his mail addy? Just wanna make sure he is the right one for you. *whistles innocently*

Just kidding of course.

I honestly believe, there has to be more than just the fitting karaka`s.


" (Home wrecker! )"
I only wreck homes that are wreck-able.

DD

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posted March 21, 2008 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"they see it as a sign of a VERY strong attraction."
Yes, I'd say that's accurate.

My vedic Venus is in Sag (along with your Sun, Venus, and Merc; meow ). And you're right, my ASC does change to Libra.

Do you feel like the vedic descriptions for a Sco Asc, Sag Sun, Cap Moon? Hey, those first two are what I have in my tropical, and the 3rd is similar too b/c my Moon is in the 10th house. You'd be my Indian doppleganger.

"Do you, by any chance, happen to have a pic of him? Or his mail addy? Just wanna make sure he is the right one for you. *whistles innocently*"
Oh you are a cheeky monkey! I like.

Another thing we have in common - both of our post totals are listed as 1111.

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"they see it as a sign of a VERY strong attraction."
Yes, I'd say that's accurate."
Ah, I feel flattered. LOL

Seriously, I think attraction is not limited to romantic or sexual attraction. It can also be mental, ähm, I mean, intellectual attraction.
After all you feel a certain attraction to your friends. BTW it is derived from the latin word for "being drawn to", for what reason ever.
In that sense I feel an opposition is a sign of great attraction. And if the persons involved happen to be female and male, this might be a strong romantic attraction as well (of course depending on the involved planets and on their sexual orientation, too).

"My vedic Venus is in Sag (along with your Sun, Venus, and Merc; meow ). And you're right, my ASC does change to Libra."
So, your ruler of 1st house is conjunct my ruler of 7th house - I guess a Vedic astrologer would approve of our marriage.


"Do you feel like the vedic descriptions for a Sco Asc, Sag Sun, Cap Moon?"
I don´t know. I miss my Aquarius-Moon.
But yes, I can identify with some of the traits, but then again, I have a Venus-Pluto-square, a Sag-Sun and a Cappy-Venus in Western, so there are some parallels.
How about you?


" Hey, those first two are what I have in my tropical, and the 3rd is similar too b/c my Moon is in the 10th house. You'd be my Indian doppleganger."
Hello, doppelgänger!
Seriously, I once read in a book (by Blashke), that if there are tight conjunctions of one`s sidereal positions to another`s tropical positions, there is heavy Karma involved, and it`s a sign that a relationship will develop, or an encounter will take place, to work on the karmic lessons and finish them.
Interestingly, my sidereal Mars, ASC and NN fall onto the tropical SN of one of my musicmen.

"Oh you are a cheeky monkey! I like. "
Why do you say that? I was being serious.
You know, I only want your best. And I think your best is your fiance, isn`t he?


"Another thing we have in common - both of our post totals are listed as 1111."
I didn`t realize. But I always felt a connection with that number.

DD

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"BTW it is derived from the latin word for "being drawn to", for what reason ever."

*gasp* How did you know about my love of etymology?
And I agree, sexual attraction is just one of many types of attraction.

"I guess a Vedic astrologer would approve of our marriage."
Let's honeymoon in India!

I feel the same as you re: relating to sidereal positions. I can relate as long as there are parallels in my tropical. This makes me think that those of us who use tropical astrology should probably disregard the psychology of sidereal sign placements and focus instead on the whole sign and house ruler aspects.

In sidereal...

--I have a Sco Sun, which I can relate to since Scorpio is one of the strongest signs in my tropical chart.

--I have a Libra Asc. I don't have anything in Libra in my tropical other than generational Pluto, but I suppose it's more personalized for me since it's my chart ruler and is conjunct my Sun/Moon midpoint. Anyway, I can relate to the description for Libra Asc. Certainly more than some other signs, but not as much as my tropical Scorpio.
Actually, I used to think I was a Libra Asc. The first book I read about astrology gave general instructions for determining your Asc, and using their method, it came out as Libra. It was years later that I learned it was actually Scorpio.

--The Cancer Moon is the hardest for me to relate to since I don't have any planets in Cancer or in my 4th house. But the Moon is a strong planet for me since it's the highest planet in my chart and is the lead planet of my bowl chart, so I can connect with being very lunar.

(Sidenote and probably TMI, but I have noticed that transits to my Moon, more than any other planet, affect me on a sexual level. )

"And I think your best is your fiance, isn`t he?"
Well, he's loving, and fun, and interesting. He's my partner.
So yeah, I guess he's alright.

"I always felt a connection with that number."
*gasp again* Me too.

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I knew I once had been working on this. lol

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posted May 21, 2013 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was in our pre-hacked days.

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Interesting info.

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Great work on collecting and sharing all that info Ceri! Very useful

I have started reading KRS's astro book bundle called "Bundle @ The Speed of Light" and it has some very great stuff in there. I highly recommend it.
When I looked into Vedic it actually made so much more sense to me than my Western placements.
The Vedic descriptions fit Virgo guy a lot as well (or should I now call him Leo guy LOL).
Anyways, Leo Sun fits us both so much more than Virgo Sun.

Something funny I noticed though was that some of his Vedic placements mirror my Western chart as well, such as his Vedic Asc and MC being the same sign/degree my Western Asc and MC and more!

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posted August 03, 2014 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Been diving into vedic recently. Guys honestly its so accurate that it scares me esp predictions. Have a look at krs channel on youtube kapiel makes its easier to understand vedic astrology. I am totally into vedic hoping for a new vedic forum on linda land

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quote:
Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Great work on collecting and sharing all that info Ceri! Very useful

I have started reading KRS's astro book bundle called "Bundle @ The Speed of Light" and it has some very great stuff in there. I highly recommend it.
When I looked into Vedic it actually made so much more sense to me than my Western placements.
The Vedic descriptions fit Virgo guy a lot as well (or should I now call him Leo guy LOL).
Anyways, Leo Sun fits us both so much more than Virgo Sun.

Something funny I noticed though was that some of his Vedic placements mirror my Western chart as well, such as his Vedic Asc and MC being the same sign/degree my Western Asc and MC and more!


Kapiel Raaj is awesome hey makes learning vedic easy

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posted August 04, 2014 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

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Excellent. Thank for sharing.

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Accidentally, I registered a Vedic astrology website called www.indastro.com. There are short free report about natal.Some are accurate and some are not, esp., about physical features are not much correct.

About me: She can be distinctively identified from the way of her walk because she is very slow in walking.
(This is totally wrong, I am a born fast wallker,which all the people know I walk very fast.)

About my bf: He will have a full or fleshy face, double chin, full eyes, wide mouth, much hair, short hands and feet and pale complexion. You will have a sturdy and fast walk.
(Wrong again, even his Sun, Moon and Mercury in Taurus, but he is not chubby, doesn't have full or fleshy face, now his hair isn't much and he walks quite slowly).

So I wonder if this website is not very professional or the Vedic astrology doesn't make more sense than western astrology.

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posted November 28, 2014 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good info.

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March 2008 ??? How come I have never ever come across this thread? I love it !!
I've always tried to get accustomed to vedic astrology only to fail miserably...

I have a question though, how can one draw the navamsa chart?
Can you use astro.com to do it. If I chose 9th harmonic chart and chose the hindu lahiri sidereal system, would it work?

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posted November 28, 2014 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try searching our archives:
www.lindagoodman.org

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posted December 09, 2014 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hoping to get some lessons on Vedic in here soon.

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