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blue house
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posted September 29, 2012 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue house     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So i had my vedic chart and the way i am described is completley differant to my western natal chart.

In WA my sun mercur and venus are in the 5th house.In vedic they all are in my 6 th house.In vedic i am told i am a really obsesed with working and my life and relationships is all about work.Now i can tell you this is wron i dont care about my career or anyone elses it makes no diffrance to me if someonne is a cleaner or is a ceo and would never want to marry anyone who was completley obssesed with work (life is too short).There were some good points with vedic but i think WA is more advanced and another problem with VA is its basicly very hard to get a chart and there isnt as much info as WA so a new person coming into this will go to WA because there is way more info online

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posted September 29, 2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 29, 2012 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 30, 2012 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like both actually, but you really can't compare vedic astrology charts with western charts the same way. For one Vedic astrology uses sidereal system and western astrology uses the tropical system. Vedic astrology only use the nine planets: Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and the two nodes of the Moon called Rahu and Ketu. The outer planets aren't used because there seen to be too far from Earth to have influence on human affairs therefore there not relevant to use for predictive events. Plus within Vedic Astrology your not only using the twelve signs of the zodiac. There is different breakdown,this system break down has a 360 degree circle broken down into 27 constellations called nakshatras. Within this events are able to be predicted through electional astrology to predict events such as when to buy a new home, what is the best day to get married etc.

I am just saying give vedic astrology another try and don't compare it to western astrology there two completely different systems and make sure you get yours professionally done first.

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posted September 30, 2012 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, Vedic just doesn't click with me. I don't use it at all. I don't feel like my chart fits me. They're one sign behind most of the time, and they also go by moon sign rather than sun, in Vedic. With this system, my moon would be Gemini, and come one, you've all seen how emo I can get as a Cancer moon.

My main interests in astrology are personality analysis and synastry--understanding people better, having better relationships. I don't use divination, do predictive astrology, or anything like that.

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posted September 30, 2012 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree vedic astrology isn't for everyone just as chinese astrology isn't for me. Just as numerology, palmistry, tarot, horay and mayan astrology isn't for everyone.

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posted September 30, 2012 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Personally, Vedic just doesn't click with me. I don't use it at all. I don't feel like my chart fits me. They're one sign behind most of the time, and they also go by moon sign rather than sun, in Vedic. With this system, my moon would be Gemini, and come one, you've all seen how emo I can get as a Cancer moon.

My main interests in astrology are personality analysis and synastry--understanding people better, having better relationships. I don't use divination, do predictive astrology, or anything like that.


yeah me too it doesnt fit me either, but ive read its somehow way more accurate than western astro. i would love if somebody could teach us some stuff, cuz it seems like accuracy is something we havent totally figured out yet with western astro

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posted September 30, 2012 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vedic can be used for a lot of things western astrology can't.. I found one guy on youtube who has an AWESOME take on placements that if you were to apply them to western, you'd get a whole new view on astrology as you know it. It's awesome.

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blue house
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posted October 01, 2012 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue house     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Personally, Vedic just doesn't click with me. I don't use it at all. I don't feel like my chart fits me. They're one sign behind most of the time, and they also go by moon sign rather than sun, in Vedic. With this system, my moon would be Gemini, and come one, you've all seen how emo I can get as a Cancer moon.

My main interests in astrology are personality analysis and synastry--understanding people better, having better relationships. I don't use divination, do predictive astrology, or anything like that.


I feel the same way WA fits me much better so then that would mean that WA is more accurate wouldnt it?Its also impossible to get an accurate chart there is very few website genartors on vedic and on one im a Cap ascendent and on another im a Aqurious asc???

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posted October 01, 2012 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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blue house
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posted October 08, 2012 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue house     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vedic astrolgy is very hard to come by

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posted October 31, 2012 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by blue house:
There were some good points with vedic but i think WA is more advanced and another problem with VA is its basicly very hard to get a chart and there isnt as much info as WA so a new person coming into this will go to WA because there is way more info online

McDonalds is everywhere, doesn't mean fast-foods good for you.

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posted October 31, 2012 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
Vedic can be used for a lot of things western astrology can't.. I found one guy on youtube who has an AWESOME take on placements that if you were to apply them to western, you'd get a whole new view on astrology as you know it. It's awesome.

KRSCHANNEL, baby. He's the bomb.

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posted October 31, 2012 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
yeah me too it doesnt fit me either, but ive read its somehow way more accurate than western astro. i would love if somebody could teach us some stuff, cuz it seems like accuracy is something we havent totally figured out yet with western astro


Western-psychological, perception,internal
Vedic-Truth, external
Huh ??

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Desiring Shadows
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posted October 31, 2012 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol, flashing mah ladies

VEDA STYLE XD
http://vedicastroprediction.com/saturn_twelve.html

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posted October 31, 2012 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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StacyLewis
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posted October 31, 2012 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not entirely accurate to compare western astrology to fast-food; especially when it has roots that go back just as far (or even further) than Vedic. Western Astrology has been around a really, REALLY long time and in that sense it's time-tested to have at least some degree of truth and validity to it. If there was nothing real there to it, it would've fallen by the wayside centuries ago with other forms of divination that didn't last.

Having said that, I'm not a big Vedic fan simply because it makes no sense, to me anyway. I have to agree with others here, when I saw how it moves planets into totally different signs, I wrote it off then and there because none of the Vedic charts I pulled up, fit me or any of the people I know.

Example : An ex of mine is extremely Neptunian/Piscean in character, inclinations, and personality traits. That's really not an exaggeration. He's intensely Piscean and his western astrology chart, reflects that. But when I pull up his chart in Vedic everything is in Aquarius? He's nothing like an Aquarian or Uranian person.

Or how my happy-go-lucky younger sister (who has a stellium in Sag), suddenly becomes a super-Scorpio in Vedic, which makes nooooo sense. Or how I'm very, very Leo in an almost stereotypical sense, but in Vedic it moves all my Leo placements into Cancer, a sign with a totally different energy to Leo.

...Really?

I'm not trying to convince anyone else to be anti-Vedic. If it works for other people, fine. I just don't bother with it because it's always wrong when I do - glaringly so.

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posted October 31, 2012 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
It's not entirely accurate to compare western astrology to fast-food; especially when it has roots that go back just as far (or even further) than Vedic. Western Astrology has been around a really, REALLY long time and in that sense it's time-tested to have at least some degree of truth and validity to it. If there was nothing real there to it, it would've fallen by the wayside centuries ago with other forms of divination that didn't last.

Having said that, I'm not a big Vedic fan simply because it makes no sense, to me anyway. I have to agree with others here, when I saw how it moves planets into totally different signs, I wrote it off then and there because none of the Vedic charts I pulled up, fit me or any of the people I know.

Example : An ex of mine is extremely Neptunian/Piscean in character, inclinations, and personality traits. That's really not an exaggeration. He's intensely Piscean and his western astrology chart, reflects that. But when I pull up his chart in Vedic everything is in Aquarius? He's nothing like an Aquarian or Uranian person.

Or how my happy-go-lucky younger sister (who has a stellium in Sag), suddenly becomes a super-Scorpio in Vedic, which makes nooooo sense. Or how I'm very, very Leo in an almost stereotypical sense, but in Vedic it moves all my Leo placements into Cancer, a sign with a totally different energy to Leo.

...Really?

I'm not trying to convince anyone else to be anti-Vedic. If it works for other people, fine. I just don't bother with it because it's always wrong when I do - glaringly so.


Or even farther, do you know, Hindu Astrology came first. As the first astrology in existence, Western has additional planets, improvisations and came at a later date. You can consult your former source Wikipedia for that

Glaringly or not, you still wrote two paragraphs proving nothing, with a bitter attitude and have won no one in the process.
Atleast back yourself up.
I have a website, now you can write eight paragraphs.

Yes Really.

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posted October 31, 2012 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
blah blah blah,
"..I have it also I have Sun,Moon,Merc,Mars in Leo.

I have 4 planets in Leo in H6.
Virgo is the natural ruler of H6.
So my Leo planets are a Leo/Virgo mix..
I think I act more virgo, than Leo.
The house mellows out all that Leo."
Super cool!

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posted October 31, 2012 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for greatquincunx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should stop trying to read my jyotish chart like the western chart. Its hard because Im eager to understand it but left with western tools...

Anyway, I have KRS's book and picked up Phaldeepika book( for the low price of $20).
There's info on vedic/jyotish. Go buy a book like you would western. :P

My sun sign is still the same.

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posted October 31, 2012 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Or even farther, do you know, Hindu Astrology came first. As the first astrology in existence, Western has additional planets, improvisations and came at a later date. You can consult your former source Wikipedia for that

Glaringly or not, you still wrote two paragraphs proving nothing, with a bitter attitude and have won no one in the process.
Atleast back yourself up.
I have a website, now you can write eight paragraphs.

Yes Really.


You really think this is a contest or a debate? It's my opinion and frankly I'm not required to agree with you just because you're emotionally invested in one particular form of astrology. Period. I stand by what I said - in my firsthand experience with Vedic (and there's been many of them, I tried like mad to give it a fair shot), it just doesn't hold up to inspection - and I'm not talking about what some random website says is true, I'm talking about, when you actually use the method and compare it to real people, does it accurately describe them. And the answer, for me at least, is that it never does.

And really in retrospect, the age of any particular astrological method is irrelevant, because old doesn't necessarily mean accurate. Hundreds of years ago people had theories about all sorts of things that have been proven false in the times since then. Hindus may have believed one thing back then, that's them. If in this day and age it doesn't pan out in terms of accuracy, then I'm not obligated to accept it as truth, and I don't.

Vedic astrology is wrong - to me, personally. I don't have to agree with you. If you dislike that, it's your issue. Not mine. If this is just about you wanting to argue with someone you'll have to find a person who actually cares enough to humor you, because I don't.

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posted October 31, 2012 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm gonna get that book. xD lol Yay! Thanks dude for telling me

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posted October 31, 2012 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:

Wow, no no no. Don't you turn this on me, making it seem like Its a "debate", since I'm WA libra sun/merc/venus. Hahah. XD

Actually....
I am invested, as are you. We're both wasting our time, as we hold strongly our beliefs, so lets end this.
If I ever go back, and if you come forward, atleast we can agree, to have disagreed.
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I'm gonna get that book. xD lol Yay!



What strong beliefs? You're projecting. I said I personally don't believe in it. I didn't go on an anti-Vedic crusade. It was you who decided you wanted to fly off the handle because I didn't give the answer you wanted to hear.

At this point I'm fairly certain you're just bored or angry about something going on in your own life and you want to bait someone online into fighting with you so you can get it out of your system, and I'm not going to play that game with you. I said what I had to say about the topic, I still stand by my views on that, and if you just want to argue for "fun", you'll have to find someone else that's willing to humor you because I'm not responding and I'm not even coming back to this topic. (shrug)

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posted October 31, 2012 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that Vedic is great for Predictions and Western for Psychology/Personality.

I'm a triple water, but in vedic I'd have triple air. Frankly being as emotional and wishy washy as I am there's no way I could be a Aquarius moon and asc. Plus after researching both there are more things I can relate to with Western than Vedic. Just my opinion. Like I said Vedic seems to be accurate with predicting the future

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posted October 31, 2012 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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