posted August 12, 2013 03:06 AM              

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Originally posted by darkdreamer:
Just gathering some random informations here:

Differences to WEstern astrology:

1. whole sign houses
2. whole sign aspects
3. aspects are:
a) conjunction and opposition for all
planets
b) Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th house / sign (trines)
c) Mars aspects the 4th and 8th
d) Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th

4. planets:
Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu (NN and SN)
- some modern vedic astrologers start using Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, too

Natural benefics:
Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter

Natural malefics:
Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu / Ketu

5. Strenght of planets:
There are many things to consider, but some of these are:
a) planets in own or exalted sign are strong
b) retograde planets are considered strong
c) Sun and Mars in 10th, Moon and Venus in 4th, Saturn in 7th, Mercury and Jupiter in 1st are strong
d) aspects to a benefic strengthen the planet, aspects to a malefic weaken the planet
e)planets in sign of a friend are strong, planets in sign of an enemy are weak

5. Different charts used:
a) Lagna chart (with ASC falling into the 1st house)
b) Chandra chart (chart with Moon as the 1st house)
c) Navamsa chart (like the 9th harmonic)

Actually the normal (Lagna chart) is always read together with the Navamsa chart, and the Navamsa chart can strengthen or weaken the Rasi (Lagna-chart).

6. Chara Karaka:
Karaka means significator; every planet sifnifies something like Venus being the natural significator of marriage, relationships.

But there are additional Karakas, depending on the longitude of the planet:
a) planet with highest longitude: Atmakaraka (significator of soul and self)
b) planet with lowest longitude:
Darakaraka (significator of relationship and partner)

7. Additonal techniques:
a) Arudha Lagna
- look where oyur Lagna or ASC is located. Then see, where its lord is.
Count from the ASC-sign to its lord.
Then count the same number forwards from lord.
The sign, which you arrive at, is your ARudha Lagna.

Ex:
Lagna is in Libra; Venus is in Aquarius:
Libra - Aquarius: 5 signs
Aquarius + 5 signs: Gemini
So the ARudha Lagna would be in Gemini

Exception:
if the Arudha Lagna is the same or opposite the Lagna, then you take the 10th sign from Lagna.

Like in my chart:
Lagna in Scorpio; Mars in Scorpio - so technically the Arudha Lagna would be the same as the Lagna, in this case I would have to pic the 10th sign from Lagna, which is Leo, so my Arudha Lagna is Leo.

"...reveals how others perceive the native's personality. It shows how the person projects their illusion or glamour into the world."

b) Upapada:
- count from the 12th house to its Lord and then the same number forwards

Ex:
Libra in 12th house; 12th house ruler in Sagittarius (3 houses from Libra).
So I count 3 houses from Sagittarius onwards and reach Aquarius, so Aquarius is my Upapada

There are apparently two conflicting views on the Upapada (UL):

One view is that it indicates the public view on marriage, another is that it shows the karma that will give you the opportunities to meet, so that a relationship can manifest. And that karma that draws two people to each other, is to be seen in the Upapada Lagna.

But basically they seem to agree, that the UL shows your marriage partner.

c) Darapada:
- count from the 7th house to its Lord, then onwards

Ex:
Taurus in 7th house; Venus in Sagittarius (8 signs from Taurus), so I count 8 signs onwards and reach Cancer, which is my Darapada.

DArapada also shows your relationship, but with a high focus on sexual activity, a physical relationship.
http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Topics/arudha_lagna.htm

DD

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Originally posted by darkdreamer:
Just gathering some random informations here:

Differences to WEstern astrology:

1. whole sign houses
2. whole sign aspects
3. aspects are:
a) conjunction and opposition for all
planets
b) Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th house / sign (trines)
c) Mars aspects the 4th and 8th
d) Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th

4. planets:
Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu (NN and SN)
- some modern vedic astrologers start using Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, too

Natural benefics:
Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter

Natural malefics:
Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu / Ketu

5. Strenght of planets:
There are many things to consider, but some of these are:
a) planets in own or exalted sign are strong
b) retograde planets are considered strong
c) Sun and Mars in 10th, Moon and Venus in 4th, Saturn in 7th, Mercury and Jupiter in 1st are strong
d) aspects to a benefic strengthen the planet, aspects to a malefic weaken the planet
e)planets in sign of a friend are strong, planets in sign of an enemy are weak

5. Different charts used:
a) Lagna chart (with ASC falling into the 1st house)
b) Chandra chart (chart with Moon as the 1st house)
c) Navamsa chart (like the 9th harmonic)

Actually the normal (Lagna chart) is always read together with the Navamsa chart, and the Navamsa chart can strengthen or weaken the Rasi (Lagna-chart).

6. Chara Karaka:
Karaka means significator; every planet sifnifies something like Venus being the natural significator of marriage, relationships.

But there are additional Karakas, depending on the longitude of the planet:
a) planet with highest longitude: Atmakaraka (significator of soul and self)
b) planet with lowest longitude:
Darakaraka (significator of relationship and partner)

7. Additonal techniques:
a) Arudha Lagna
- look where oyur Lagna or ASC is located. Then see, where its lord is.
Count from the ASC-sign to its lord.
Then count the same number forwards from lord.
The sign, which you arrive at, is your ARudha Lagna.

Ex:
Lagna is in Libra; Venus is in Aquarius:
Libra - Aquarius: 5 signs
Aquarius + 5 signs: Gemini
So the ARudha Lagna would be in Gemini

Exception:
if the Arudha Lagna is the same or opposite the Lagna, then you take the 10th sign from Lagna.

Like in my chart:
Lagna in Scorpio; Mars in Scorpio - so technically the Arudha Lagna would be the same as the Lagna, in this case I would have to pic the 10th sign from Lagna, which is Leo, so my Arudha Lagna is Leo.

"...reveals how others perceive the native's personality. It shows how the person projects their illusion or glamour into the world."

b) Upapada:
- count from the 12th house to its Lord and then the same number forwards

Ex:
Libra in 12th house; 12th house ruler in Sagittarius (3 houses from Libra).
So I count 3 houses from Sagittarius onwards and reach Aquarius, so Aquarius is my Upapada

There are apparently two conflicting views on the Upapada (UL):

One view is that it indicates the public view on marriage, another is that it shows the karma that will give you the opportunities to meet, so that a relationship can manifest. And that karma that draws two people to each other, is to be seen in the Upapada Lagna.

But basically they seem to agree, that the UL shows your marriage partner.

c) Darapada:
- count from the 7th house to its Lord, then onwards

Ex:
Taurus in 7th house; Venus in Sagittarius (8 signs from Taurus), so I count 8 signs onwards and reach Cancer, which is my Darapada.

DArapada also shows your relationship, but with a high focus on sexual activity, a physical relationship.
http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Topics/arudha_lagna.htm

DD

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Originally posted by darkdreamer:
To get an overview over compatibility in relationships, you would look at:

1. Venus as the natural karaka for relationships and the wife (and for women: also look towards Jupiter as husband)

2. ruler of the 7th house (especially in contact with Lagna or ruler of the 1st house of the other person)

3. Sun-Moon

4. Moon-compatibility

5. Venus - Mars

6. Nodal axis (Rahu and Ketu)

7. Atmakaraka and Darakaraka (significators for Self and partner)

8. Upapada and Darapada

It seems that you always compare:
Rasi - Rasi
Navamsa - Navamsa
Rasi - Navamsa
Navamsa - Rasi

Well, the Vedics only have the conjunction and opposition as mutual
aspects, but they use whole-sign-aspects, even though aspects in
close orbs are seen as the stronges ones, but basically all planets
in Sagittarius would oppose a planet in Gemini, no matter on what
degree.

Regarding the comparision, it`s similiar to the draconics, at least
as I see it.

The Rasi`s signify the physical manifestation of a relationship, the
surface, or maybe the better word would be: the consciousness.

The Navamsa`s signify the soul, the depth, the unconsciousness.

And aspects between Rasi and Navamsa connect those two. Probably
those are the best to have, since they connect consciousness with
unconsciousness. One partner expresses, is, lives out (Rasi), what
the other desires deep within (Navamsa).

If you only have connections through the Rasi`s, it may be that this
could be a rather superficial relationship, founded on material
ground, without too much spiritual or emotional depth.
But on the other hand, if you have a very strong Navamsa-synastry
without Rasi-aspects, it could mean that even though deep inside your
souls are in touch with each other, that you will never know about
it, or despite some very strong attraction it will be difficult,
maybe impossible to actually form a relationship.
The soul (navamsa) must have means to manifest (Rasi) itself.

Regarding the bridge, the Navamsi- Rasi-aspects I found that quote:
"The navamsha reveals traits, desires, hopes, dreams, fears etc.
which are dormant, but trying to rise out into consciousness in your
life. You find the partner who is already acting these out in the
material world. You are intensely attrcted to this person; they are
everything you admire, everything you crave, everything you want to
be. This person completes you; expresses you; forms your `other
half`. Naturally, you marry them!"

Well, this might explain the phenomenon of onesided attraction.
Let`s say person A has his Mars conjunct `B`s Navamsha Venus, but at
the same time there are no aspects to person A`s navamsha, then B
would be insanely attracted to A, but since there is no connection to
A`s navamsha, deeper soul urges, A wouldn`t reciprocate the feeling.

I also found this system:

"An alternative system for measuring compatibility has been recently described by Arastu Prabhakar in The Times of Astrology, in which 6 factors are considered, each scoring 6 points, giving a maximum total of 36 points.

The 6 factors are:
(1) Matching of the Ascendant, Lagna lords and Rajayogakaraka planets in the two charts.
(2) Matching of the 7th house and 7th house lords.
(3) Matching of the natural significators for marriage.
(4) Matching of the 7th houses from the Moon, and their lords.
(5) Matching of the 7th houses from Venus.
(6) Overall influence on the 7th houses in each chart."

and

"There are many, many factors to consider, but some of the more important ones are:
(1) planets supported by the great beneficial influence of Jupiter, especially the Moon.
(2) a connection between the Ascendants and/or Luminaries in the two charts, (3) benefic influences on the Moon in general.
(4) support for the planet of love and comfort, Venus, particularly from Moon, Jupiter or Venus.
(5) a mutual influence between the sexual planets Mars and Venus.
(6) the influence of the nodes, particularly with the Sun, Moon or Ascendant. suggesting possible karmic bonding."

http://www.bava.org/private/relationships.htm

I think for the most important ones I would look at aspects between:

- Sun, Moon, Nodes and Lagna (ASC)
- Venus, Mars, Nodes and Lagna
- ruler of 7 / Darakaraka to Sun, Moon, Nodes, Lagna, Venus, ASC, ruler of 1 or 7 or Atmakaraka
- ruler of 1 / ATmakaraka to Sun, Moon, Nodes, Lagna, Venus, ASC, ruler of 1 or 7, or Darakaraka

additionally:
- aspects of the Upapada and Darapada, especially looking for the Upapada in conjunction, trine or opposition from the other`s Lagna or even the Upapada ruler being in the same sign as the other one`s Lagna (same for Darapada).

- I am not sure about these two, yet, but it seems that at least the Upapada creates opportunity or karma to meet.

DD

ps.: If I have understand anything wrong, please feel free to correct me. I just put it as I understood it.

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posted August 12, 2013 03:34 AM            

but ya switch to (vedic)sidereal too right? /dumbquestionasked~ sorry

*dontmindmeImexhaustedtonight*

posted August 12, 2013 03:40 AM            

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Originally posted by lulz:
I tink it is ceris old username btw so interesting comparison from someone we know to be well versed in one system.

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Ceri's just amazing like that.

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
We have to do lot of counting eh

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Well, if we want to learn vedic, we have to learn to love numbers haha. I have a love-hate (mostly hate) relationship with them myself

posted August 12, 2013 04:06 AM              

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
now wait, wuh - I get that they use whole

but ya switch to (vedic)sidereal too right? /dumbquestionasked~ sorry

*dontmindmeImexhaustedtonight*

I got to the compatibility part... and then my mind started to fizzle on all the terms. As usual for reading vedic methods, I can't wrap myself around these terms. ;; Lagwhatana...

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posted August 12, 2013 04:08 AM              

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Lulz, is that a beginning of an obsession?

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posted August 12, 2013 04:21 AM            

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Originally posted by lulz:
I tink it is ceris old username btw so interesting comparison from someone we know to be well versed in one system.

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Yes. My old username.
Now and then I like to dabble in Vedic, and everytime it`s like I have to relearn it all over again.lol

Interesting you dug that out.

posted August 12, 2013 04:29 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
now wait, wuh - I get that they use whole

but ya switch to (vedic)sidereal too right? /dumbquestionasked~ sorry

*dontmindmeImexhaustedtonight*

I got to the compatibility part... and then my mind started to fizzle on all the terms. As usual for reading vedic methods, I can't wrap myself around these terms. ;; Lagwhatana...

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posted August 12, 2013 06:53 AM              

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Do you get along with guys of your age lulz? I feel like you don't.

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lol of course i do. guys worship me. i've always had sidekicks. people used to go to my house all the time coz i didn't really have supervision. my sidekick and i used to bring our gf's to my house and makeout with them. when it go to the sex part i guess we did that in our own homes separately lol!

in college i had a lot of hangers on too. mostly coz i wanted to control everything therefore did most of the stuff.
when we used to do projects it was just a big round table of empty beer bottles. my other buddy a taurus ox he kinda owned a sleazy ktv in the red light district. we drank in his home upstairs. sometimes i'd get beers downstairs and bring girls up lol! more like they accompanied me. was truthfully rather shy at that time especially to those kind of girls. prolly still am.

posted August 12, 2013 07:16 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I was just testing my intuition, I forgot that you’re a Leo Moon.

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lol

that was a major fail

muhahahaaaa

posted August 12, 2013 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by lulz:
Oh im very obsessive! Maybe i even go to india and date indian chick.

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