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T O P I C R E V I E WChildofVenusCan you tell me what you think? We like each other but I'm worried that it might not be long lasting because of the lack of Saturn. GrahamYour Pluto conjunct his Sun+Venus can make this a long-lasting relationship.Astrologer Lyn Birkbeck descbribes Pluto conjunct Sun as "a journey into the underworld - with or without a torch!" ... and Venus conjunct Pluto as "Romeo and Juliet material; powerfully attracted to each other, yet encountering certain taboos in the process of getting/remaining as close as you want to."Although the two of you were born in USA neighbouring states, I suspect that those taboos may (in some way) be cultural ... with your Pluto attempting to purge his Venus of any superficial values/shallow feelings - thus helping him to become emotionally stronger.[Note also that your Saturn is closely aspecting his Moon-Saturn trine, creating a Search figure ... in which your Saturn will actively attempt to destabilise the calm/"complacency" of his trine (perhaps as part of the Pluto-Venus purging referred to above). .... But, HOW you go about doing that will influence his willingness to change - and his willingness to change can make-or-break this relationship.] GrahamDo you consider the orbs to be close enough for his Jupiter to be forming a Thor's Hammer with your Venus-Uranus square?And for his Venus to be forming a yod with your Mars-Jupiter sextile?ChildofVenus quote:Originally posted by Graham:Do you consider the orbs to be close enough for his Jupiter to be forming a [b]Thor's Hammer with your Venus-Uranus square?And for his Venus to be forming a yod with your Mars-Jupiter sextile?[/B]Thank you for your input I appreciate it I’m not sure about the orbs I’ll look more into this.ChildofVenus quote:Originally posted by Graham:Your Pluto conjunct his Sun+Venus can make this a long-lasting relationship.Astrologer Lyn Birkbeck descbribes Pluto conjunct Sun as "a journey into the underworld - with or without a torch!" ... and Venus conjunct Pluto as "Romeo and Juliet material; powerfully attracted to each other, yet encountering certain taboos in the process of getting/remaining as close as you want to."Although the two of you were born in USA neighbouring states, I suspect that those taboos may (in some way) be cultural ... with your Pluto attempting to purge his Venus of any superficial values/shallow feelings - thus helping him to become emotionally stronger.[Note also that your Saturn is closely aspecting his Moon-Saturn trine, creating a [b]Search figure ... in which your Saturn will actively attempt to destabilise the calm/"complacency" of his trine (perhaps as part of the Pluto-Venus purging referred to above). .... But, HOW you go about doing that will influence his willingness to change - and his willingness to change can make-or-break this relationship.] [/B]Are you referring to my Saturn being inconjunct his Moon-Saturn trine? I know this isn’t a good aspect. Graham quote:Originally posted by ChildofVenus: Are you referring to my Saturn being inconjunct his Moon-Saturn trine? I know this isn’t a good aspect. That is indeed what I am referring to. ... But, if used correctly, it IS a good aspect - because natal trines tend to create complacency in the chart owner (him) and the inconjunct planet of a Search figure (your Saturn) can overcome that complacency._________________________________________________________________ quote:I’m not sure about the orbs I’ll look more into this.In synastry comparisons, I use orbs that are half of those which I use for individual natal charts. ... Hence, I am asking if the orbs in this synastry chart's Thor's Hammer and Yod are no more than half of those used by you when analysing a natal chart.In essence ... I am asking only "what orbs do you use for natal squares, sextile, qcxs and the 135/sesquisquare?" ... (As these may differ from those used by me - which are 3, 2, 1 and 1.5 degrees respectively.) ChildofVenus quote:Originally posted by Graham: [QUOTE]Originally posted by ChildofVenus:[b] Are you referring to my Saturn being inconjunct his Moon-Saturn trine? I know this isn’t a good aspect. That is indeed what I am referring to. ... But, if used correctly, it IS a good aspect - because natal trines tend to create complacency in the chart owner (him) and the inconjunct planet of a Search figure (your Saturn) can overcome that complacency._________________________________________________________________ quote:I’m not sure about the orbs I’ll look more into this.In synastry comparisons, I use orbs that are half of those which I use for individual natal charts. ... Hence, I am asking if the orbs in this synastry chart's Thor's Hammer and Yod are no more than half of those used by you when analysing a natal chart.In essence ... I am asking only "what orbs do you use for natal squares, sextile, qcxs and the 135/sesquisquare?" ... (As these may differ from those used by me - which are 3, 2, 1 and 1.5 degrees respectively.) [/B][/QUOTE]Yes I use these orbs what about marriage?GrahamOriginally posted by ChildofVenus : quote:Yes I use these orbsThen we do not need to analyse the Thor's Hammer and Yod, as we both consider the orbs to be too wide. quote:what about marriage?Both rulers of your natal Aquarius 7th house cusp are in Sagittarius/4th and well-aspected, with Uranus making a 165/"obsession" aspect to Mars in Gemini/10th. ... Moreover, both rulers are disposited by Jupiter in Aries/8th - which is disposited by that Mars, and the latter is in mutual reception with Mercury in Aries/8th. ... So, you "need" a marriage partner (to feel secure) - and that partner then has to behave in a way that does not make you feel insecure.The ruler of his natal Gemini 7th house cusp is Mercury in Scorpio/12th, which is opposed by Moon in Taurus/6th and in mutual reception with Mars in Gemini/7th. Moreover, Mars is at the apex of a Yod with a Venus-Neptune sextile. ... All of this COULD indicate someone who will engage in "clandestine relationships" (i.e.. have affairs).So ... based upon your interactions with this man so far, do your instincts tell you that he can/cannot be trusted to be 100% faithful to his marriage partner? ChildofVenus quote:Originally posted by Graham:Originally posted by ChildofVenus : [QUOTE][b]Yes I use these orbsThen we do not need to analyse the Thor's Hammer and Yod, as we both consider the orbs to be too wide. quote:what about marriage?Both rulers of your natal Aquarius 7th house cusp are in Sagittarius/4th and well-aspected, with Uranus making a 165/"obsession" aspect to Mars in Gemini/10th. ... Moreover, both rulers are disposited by Jupiter in Aries/8th - which is disposited by that Mars, and the latter is in mutual reception with Mercury in Aries/8th. ... So, you "need" a marriage partner (to feel secure) - and that partner then has to behave in a way that does not make you feel insecure.The ruler of his natal Gemini 7th house cusp is Mercury in Scorpio/12th, which is opposed by Moon in Taurus/6th and in mutual reception with Mars in Gemini/7th. Moreover, Mars is at the apex of a Yod with a Venus-Neptune sextile. ... All of this COULD indicate someone who will engage in "clandestine relationships" (i.e.. have affairs).So ... based upon your interactions with this man so far, do your instincts tell you that he can/cannot be trusted to be 100% faithful to his marriage partner? [/B][/QUOTE]I don't know if I really need to be married sometimes I don't think it's for me. I was asking about marriage in regards to the synastry. So, he's basically the cheater type? He doesn't seem like the type. He says he wants to have something serious with me that I'm perfect for him. But I guess he's lying? Lol, I asked him if he only wanted sex and he said no. Because initially I told him I just wanted to hookup. He said he has never cheated but that he's been cheated on. Graham quote:Originally posted by ChildofVenus: [b]I don't know if I really need to be married sometimes I don't think it's for me. I was asking about marriage in regards to the synastry. So, he's basically the cheater type? He doesn't seem like the type. He says he wants to have something serious with me that I'm perfect for him. But I guess he's lying? Lol, I asked him if he only wanted sex and he said no. Because initially I told him I just wanted to hookup. He said he has never cheated but that he's been cheated on. [/B]Whether married or not, my guess is that you'll need the security of being with a partner that has "forsaken all others, until death do you part".In the Davison Chart ... Mars in Taurus/12th is the ruler (because of its close proximity to the Ascendant degree), and Pluto is in Scorpio/7th - which it co-rules with Mars. ... Thus, sex and secrets are likely to feature strongly in this relationship - but not necessarily as 'hidden affairs".So .. be sure that you know him well enough to decide if he can/cannot be relied upon to forsake all others whilst "married" to you.ChildofVenus quote:Originally posted by Graham: Whether married or not, my guess is that you'll need the security of being with a partner that has "forsaken all others, until death do you part".In the Davison Chart ... Mars in Taurus/12th is the ruler (because of its close proximity to the Ascendant degree), and Pluto is in Scorpio/7th - which it co-rules with Mars. ... Thus, sex and secrets [b]are likely to feature strongly in this relationship - but not necessarily as 'hidden affairs".So .. be sure that you know him well enough to decide if he can/cannot be relied upon to forsake all others whilst "married" to you.[/B]I told him that his astrological birth chart shows that he's the type who could have multiple relationships at once. He said he wouldn't do that and he's committed when he's in a relationship. You are right though I won't be with anyone if they aren't committed. I think this is why I always keep backups in case if something goes wrong. But It's hard for me to commit because I don't trust easily. So I would rather just talk to different guys. Even if I really like a guy I still keep back ups and if I feel insecure or if I don't feel like the guy is committted I talk to other men. I wish I knew why I did this but it's automatic. I suppose it's because I have Moon square Pluto, Aquarius Moon and Venus square Uranus.
Astrologer Lyn Birkbeck descbribes Pluto conjunct Sun as "a journey into the underworld - with or without a torch!" ... and Venus conjunct Pluto as "Romeo and Juliet material; powerfully attracted to each other, yet encountering certain taboos in the process of getting/remaining as close as you want to."
Although the two of you were born in USA neighbouring states, I suspect that those taboos may (in some way) be cultural ... with your Pluto attempting to purge his Venus of any superficial values/shallow feelings - thus helping him to become emotionally stronger.
[Note also that your Saturn is closely aspecting his Moon-Saturn trine, creating a Search figure ... in which your Saturn will actively attempt to destabilise the calm/"complacency" of his trine (perhaps as part of the Pluto-Venus purging referred to above). .... But, HOW you go about doing that will influence his willingness to change - and his willingness to change can make-or-break this relationship.]
And for his Venus to be forming a yod with your Mars-Jupiter sextile?
quote:Originally posted by Graham:Do you consider the orbs to be close enough for his Jupiter to be forming a [b]Thor's Hammer with your Venus-Uranus square?And for his Venus to be forming a yod with your Mars-Jupiter sextile?[/B]
And for his Venus to be forming a yod with your Mars-Jupiter sextile?[/B]
quote:Originally posted by Graham:Your Pluto conjunct his Sun+Venus can make this a long-lasting relationship.Astrologer Lyn Birkbeck descbribes Pluto conjunct Sun as "a journey into the underworld - with or without a torch!" ... and Venus conjunct Pluto as "Romeo and Juliet material; powerfully attracted to each other, yet encountering certain taboos in the process of getting/remaining as close as you want to."Although the two of you were born in USA neighbouring states, I suspect that those taboos may (in some way) be cultural ... with your Pluto attempting to purge his Venus of any superficial values/shallow feelings - thus helping him to become emotionally stronger.[Note also that your Saturn is closely aspecting his Moon-Saturn trine, creating a [b]Search figure ... in which your Saturn will actively attempt to destabilise the calm/"complacency" of his trine (perhaps as part of the Pluto-Venus purging referred to above). .... But, HOW you go about doing that will influence his willingness to change - and his willingness to change can make-or-break this relationship.] [/B]
[Note also that your Saturn is closely aspecting his Moon-Saturn trine, creating a [b]Search figure ... in which your Saturn will actively attempt to destabilise the calm/"complacency" of his trine (perhaps as part of the Pluto-Venus purging referred to above). .... But, HOW you go about doing that will influence his willingness to change - and his willingness to change can make-or-break this relationship.] [/B]
Are you referring to my Saturn being inconjunct his Moon-Saturn trine? I know this isn’t a good aspect.
quote:Originally posted by ChildofVenus: Are you referring to my Saturn being inconjunct his Moon-Saturn trine? I know this isn’t a good aspect.
quote:I’m not sure about the orbs I’ll look more into this.
In essence ... I am asking only "what orbs do you use for natal squares, sextile, qcxs and the 135/sesquisquare?" ... (As these may differ from those used by me - which are 3, 2, 1 and 1.5 degrees respectively.)
quote:Originally posted by Graham: [QUOTE]Originally posted by ChildofVenus:[b] Are you referring to my Saturn being inconjunct his Moon-Saturn trine? I know this isn’t a good aspect.
In essence ... I am asking only "what orbs do you use for natal squares, sextile, qcxs and the 135/sesquisquare?" ... (As these may differ from those used by me - which are 3, 2, 1 and 1.5 degrees respectively.) [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes I use these orbs what about marriage?
quote:Yes I use these orbs
quote:what about marriage?
The ruler of his natal Gemini 7th house cusp is Mercury in Scorpio/12th, which is opposed by Moon in Taurus/6th and in mutual reception with Mars in Gemini/7th. Moreover, Mars is at the apex of a Yod with a Venus-Neptune sextile. ... All of this COULD indicate someone who will engage in "clandestine relationships" (i.e.. have affairs).
So ... based upon your interactions with this man so far, do your instincts tell you that he can/cannot be trusted to be 100% faithful to his marriage partner?
quote:Originally posted by Graham:Originally posted by ChildofVenus : [QUOTE][b]Yes I use these orbs
[QUOTE][b]Yes I use these orbs
So ... based upon your interactions with this man so far, do your instincts tell you that he can/cannot be trusted to be 100% faithful to his marriage partner? [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't know if I really need to be married sometimes I don't think it's for me. I was asking about marriage in regards to the synastry. So, he's basically the cheater type? He doesn't seem like the type. He says he wants to have something serious with me that I'm perfect for him. But I guess he's lying? Lol, I asked him if he only wanted sex and he said no. Because initially I told him I just wanted to hookup. He said he has never cheated but that he's been cheated on.
quote:Originally posted by ChildofVenus: [b]I don't know if I really need to be married sometimes I don't think it's for me. I was asking about marriage in regards to the synastry. So, he's basically the cheater type? He doesn't seem like the type. He says he wants to have something serious with me that I'm perfect for him. But I guess he's lying? Lol, I asked him if he only wanted sex and he said no. Because initially I told him I just wanted to hookup. He said he has never cheated but that he's been cheated on. [/B]
Whether married or not, my guess is that you'll need the security of being with a partner that has "forsaken all others, until death do you part".
In the Davison Chart ... Mars in Taurus/12th is the ruler (because of its close proximity to the Ascendant degree), and Pluto is in Scorpio/7th - which it co-rules with Mars. ... Thus, sex and secrets are likely to feature strongly in this relationship - but not necessarily as 'hidden affairs".
So .. be sure that you know him well enough to decide if he can/cannot be relied upon to forsake all others whilst "married" to you.
quote:Originally posted by Graham: Whether married or not, my guess is that you'll need the security of being with a partner that has "forsaken all others, until death do you part".In the Davison Chart ... Mars in Taurus/12th is the ruler (because of its close proximity to the Ascendant degree), and Pluto is in Scorpio/7th - which it co-rules with Mars. ... Thus, sex and secrets [b]are likely to feature strongly in this relationship - but not necessarily as 'hidden affairs".So .. be sure that you know him well enough to decide if he can/cannot be relied upon to forsake all others whilst "married" to you.[/B]
In the Davison Chart ... Mars in Taurus/12th is the ruler (because of its close proximity to the Ascendant degree), and Pluto is in Scorpio/7th - which it co-rules with Mars. ... Thus, sex and secrets [b]are likely to feature strongly in this relationship - but not necessarily as 'hidden affairs".
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I told him that his astrological birth chart shows that he's the type who could have multiple relationships at once. He said he wouldn't do that and he's committed when he's in a relationship. You are right though I won't be with anyone if they aren't committed. I think this is why I always keep backups in case if something goes wrong. But It's hard for me to commit because I don't trust easily. So I would rather just talk to different guys. Even if I really like a guy I still keep back ups and if I feel insecure or if I don't feel like the guy is committted I talk to other men. I wish I knew why I did this but it's automatic. I suppose it's because I have Moon square Pluto, Aquarius Moon and Venus square Uranus.
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