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N_wEvil | Did anyone see the news about some moron labour MP wanting to ban smoking in EVERY london restaurant and bar? Yeah...soon no drinking and no talking either!! (sorry, Eddie) |
Aphrodite | hi n_wevil, i am not from london. here's a bit of information: smoking is banned from california restaurant and bars. aphrodite |
Lost Leo | Ya, it's banned out here in CA. It also just got banned in NYC too... It's not all that bad, restaurants, clubs, & bars provide you with some outdoor patio to smoke on... it's nice to get away from the noise of the club for a minute.. Have some one-on-one time with a lady... ya know |
N_wEvil | Unfortunately its also a bit pointless if it happens to be raining. I can understand a restaurant where people are easting (even though if they actually had proper ventilation it wouldnt matter) but a club or pub? nope, thats just rediculous. |
Aphrodite | i dunno n_wevil . . . as i don't smoke. i am afraid i might like it please do share with us why you don't like this new proposal for london restaurants and bars. i am curious about what you think. cheers, aphrodite |
N_wEvil | Well, its quite simple As far as i see it these people argue i'm being antisocial by burning a bit of a plant around them, but they're quite free to drive four-by-fours around polluting my atmosphere with total impunity. Smoking is a social thing, its nice to go into a bar and have a fag and a pint - and as i stated before if the premises were ventilated properly there wouldnt be a problem. But nope, these fanatical health freaks have to have everything all their own way. I wonder when they'll try to ban smoking outside too. I'm a smoker (yes, everyone falls over in shock) and you'd think from the way these people talk we all walk around scoping for someone to sit next to and then proceed to blow smoke at them for 5 minutes. It doesnt work that way, we're quite happy to go to a smoking section or just do whatever, but we arent prepared to pander to a bunch of hypocondriacs who seemingly want to sterilise their own perceptual realities of bacteria, smokers and fun in general. It just boils down to a case of intolerance, and personal freedom. I want the personal freedom to smoke, I understand i cant smoke in places, like peoples houses, and i hardly ever spark up over a meal. But it would just be...crap, for want of a better word to go out and not be able to smoke. I know about the cancer, but considering i'm also going to get it from strontium-90 in my bones from 20th century nuclear test firings, sitting next to a lighbulb, ultraviolet rays from our screwed ozone layer, eating bbq's or getting hit on the head by a meteor or falling off a pavement i really dont care, i just want to sit down and chuff on a bit of rolled up paper with leaves of a plant stuck in it without some self-righteous individual with a chip on both shoulders trying to tell me how to live. By all means propose opening up more non-smoking restaurants and bars, but an all out-ban? now that is just antisocial. |
jwhop | Let's see, the smoking ban is supposed to save lives??? Well, it's only been in effect in NY for 2 weeks and already the smoking ban is directly linked to to the IMMEDIATE death of a NY man. http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/73386.htm jwhop |
Lost Leo | I watched a truth documentary on how 2nd hand smoke in restaurants, bars, or clubs actually HAS NO RELATION to Cancer whatsoever. It is a medical FACT, and they listed all the research studies that prove it. They also listed all the medical studies the anti-smoking groups misquoted to give their argument legitimacy. My personal opinion is it's nice to go outside and have a smoke on the patio that's under an awning to get away from the madness of the scene, plus you don't end up smelling so much like crap when you get home at night |
N_wEvil | roll on the invention of the smokeless cigarette? heehee |
jwhop | The societal costs of NOT smoking http://lawpsided.com/smokersoftheworldunite.htm jwhop |
Oxychick | LOL jwhop Yeah, apparently Bloomberg was trying to argue that smoking was a fire hazard. Not like crowding hundreds of people into a tiny bar isn't a fire hazard, like that recent story about the bar that burnt down when a fuse blew from Great White's stage stuff. Anyway, it's ok for now b/c you can go outside to have a cig (until winter rolls around again). A Guinness just sin't the same though without it. |
Aphrodite | speaking of bloomberg, i got this month's magazine issue today. woohoo. |
Oxychick | I'm not too crazy about Bloomberg myself these days. He and Pataki are hiding the whole MTA scam, and now he's going to lay off thousands of firefighters in NYC (of all places). Although I have two friends who are blissfully happy working at Bloomberg. *shrugs* |
jwhop | Geez, the people of NY loved Rudy and they're beginning to hate Bloomberg. I don't see any way he can be reelected. He's ****** off all the smokers and raised taxes in a city that already had astronomical taxes to begin with. The city is going to hell. Pretty soon you'll hear the chants Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! But Rudy is going to be the next President after Bush serves his next 6 years in office Yeah, cigarettes are a fire hazard. Next thing Bloomberg bans is matches. jwhop |
Randall | I'm all for people in restaurants who do not smoke not being disturbed by those who do. A bar is a different animal altogether, though. Linda said that there is no link to smoking and lung cancer (although smoking does lead to emphysema). Linda also said that second-hand smoke is no more harmful to a nonsmoker than smelling meat is to a vegan. I agree. Although, it can potentially harm a fetus, because carbon monoxide enters the blood stream, and it takes several hours for the body to remove after a few hours' exposure. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark |
proxieme | Naw, I agree w/ Randall (and, it appears, just about everyone else) on this one. I'm a non-smoker, and I fer one can say that the last thing that I want to have burn my nose ('cause that's what smoke does to me) after eating a great meal is cig smoke, but - dam - a bar's a bar. One more often than not goes to 'em to - smoke - drink - pick someone up They're not the most inherintly healthy places in the world...people know what they're walking into (whatever they think re: 2nd hand smoke) - they should quit b*tchin' or go to a coffee house. On that - what ever happened to the concept of personal responsibility?
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Oxychick | Heehee...I never said I was a Rudy fan...'Course, for as long as I've been alive, I'm not sure NY ever had a favorable mayor. I was wondering where that book of matches went... |
Aphrodite | ah well oxychick, i dunno the guy personally. i do think bloomberg magazine, radio and their terminals are awesome. costs approx. $20K a year to use a terminal as it has excellent capabilities! tough stuff. besides that, i like the WSJ too.
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