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T O P I C R E V I E W93novEngaged a few weeks ago.His birth time is around 5:30pm (via his mom)Her birth time is unknown but she has a strong chin like a Cappy ASC. But yes, unknown.Composite (he is red. She is blue) Synastry HIS natal HER natal PlutoWasHereFirst thing I noticed, his Saturn in a tight square to her Venus. Ouch… and it’s a Gemini Venus too. It doesn’t like to be tied down. I don’t know what birth time you used for her, but could she have a late Cancer or early Virgo Moon? Because a Leo Moon will likely end up miserable with this synastry. He has so much Virgo influence (Moon, Mars and 6th house Venus), he will be critical of her especially with that Saturn in the mix. He probably is just trying to help her, but it could be too much to handle. Her Moon sign is important here.93nov quote:Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:First thing I noticed, his Saturn in a tight square to her Venus. Ouch… and it’s a Gemini Venus too. It doesn’t like to be tied down. I don’t know what birth time you used for her, but could she have a late Cancer or early Virgo Moon? Because a Leo Moon will likely end up miserable with this synastry. He has so much Virgo influence (Moon, Mars and 6th house Venus), he will be critical of her especially with that Saturn in the mix. He probably is just trying to help her, but it could be too much to handle. Her Moon sign is important here.Thank you so much for your reply, PlutoWasHereI played around with her birth time and no matter the time of day, her moon is firm in Leo. Early or late Leo is the question. He is definitely the player type with a lot of secret affairs.93novWhat’s interesting is that mercury-Uranus-north node opposition with Uranus conjunct the north node. PlutoWasHere quote:Originally posted by 93nov: Thank you so much for your reply, PlutoWasHereI played around with her birth time and no matter the time of day, her moon is firm in Leo. Early or late Leo is the question. He is definitely the player type with a lot of secret affairs.He had secret affairs? Oh, that’s not something that just goes away. He has his Moon and Mars in het 12th House, that can blindside her. His Mars might indicate a problem if he indeed goes behind her back. Pluto in harsh aspect to Venus in the natal chart (his Scorpio Pluto opposite his Taurus Venus) can point to someone that struggles with relationships, jealousy or trust issues may play a role. He might feel more powerful and in control when having affairs. This is not an easy relationship if she indeed has a Leo Moon. I see no support for her Moon to smooth out any rough aspects. Maybe Venus retrograde in Leo will show her what she truly needs.PlutoWasHere I don’t know that much about composite charts. I can’t say if those planets conjunct the north node are problematic or not. The Moon square the Pluto opposite Venus does look problematic to me. A lot of dramatic emotions. Jupiter also expands.93nov quote:Originally posted by PlutoWasHere: He had secret affairs? Oh, that’s not something that just goes away. He has his Moon and Mars in het 12th House, that can blindside her. His Mars might indicate a problem if he indeed goes behind her back. Pluto in harsh aspect to Venus in the natal chart (his Scorpio Pluto opposite his Taurus Venus) can point to someone that struggles with relationships, jealousy or trust issues may play a role. He might feel more powerful and in control when having affairs. This is not an easy relationship if she indeed has a Leo Moon. I see no support for her Moon to smooth out any rough aspects. Maybe Venus retrograde in Leo will show her what she truly needs.Spot on which is why I'm so curious about the synastry, compatibility. Her moon is either receiving weak semi sextiles from his Sun/Moon or a square from his venus and a weak sextile from his Jupiter. I see a relationship built off appearances and gatherings, but no real substance.. unless the substance is that they both want and need public acceptance, recognition? Her Leo Moon fits perfectly with his Moon/mars conjunction in the 10H. But as you stated, that almost exact Saturn-Venus square is sticking out like a sore thumb.. amongst other things. I see a t-square and two major oppositions in synastry and composite.PlutoWasHere quote:Originally posted by 93nov: …I see a relationship built off appearances and gatherings, but no real substance.. unless the substance is that they both want and need public acceptance, recognition? Her Leo Moon fits perfectly with his Moon/mars conjunction in the 10H….She might have some self sabotaging tendencies with her natal Leo Moon square Scorpio Pluto. She could be looking for intensely emotional experiences so she can be “reborn”. The combination of Moon in harsh aspect to Pluto is a very difficult one. It’s also called a Hades Moon and in its shadow it can look for partners and relationships that they can project their intense emotions on. Her 7th house ruler Jupiter is also conjunct Chiron and is square her Mars, so there probably are some big lessons for her when it comes to relationships and expressing her anger and boundaries. Subconsciously, she might be looking for a challenging partner so she can learn to express difficult emotions.93novBump*93novBump*93novBump*93novThe guy has never been single for more than a few months, if at all. He has a habit of keeping the old flame on standby until he has secured a new one and each relationship lasts 3+ years. He has cheated on all of his girlfriends including his now fiancé.. the only difference between her and the previous women is she has the most money.Any thoughts?I see a strong Uranus theme in both synastry and composite, but being that transit Uranus is in Taurus and on their cVenus and individual natals, this might actually work in their favor.I'm very curious about this because the man in this equation is an undiagnosed covert narcissist.. or at least I have a VERY (very) strong feeling he is..I want to see what others see vs what I tried to come up with lol. Hikaru29From his natal it seems he has the propensity to be distrustful, manipulative or even toxic in relationships - Pluto on the rising opposite Venus which is also his DSC ruler. His Moon-Mars opposite Saturn indicates that he could be cold and harsh because this is what he has experienced all his life, and Mars rules his 5H so it affects his romantic life.She, on the other hand, her DSC ruler is conjunct Uranus square 7H Mars. Her 5H ruler is also square Mars… can attract sudden, unconventional relationships which can be hot/cold, disruptive and can also get competitive, bossy but also quarrelsome partners. And she has Moon square Pluto - these natives tend to have overly dramatic emotions.I wonder why she’s attracted to him? He has no planets in her 5th/7th houses and none touching her angles. Maybe his Moon-Mars in her 12th feels like a spiritual and mysterious connection. Her Venus conjunct his DSC may be a nice connection on first glance but it’s also square his Saturn-Moon/Mars opposition and opposite his Pluto so that’s not gonna play out nice. That composite doesn’t look outstanding to me. What just stands out is the t-square which shows dramatic emotional exchanges, trust issues, manipulations (again this theme comes up). Their plutonic dark sides can play out. Uranus/Neptune opposite Mercury shows communication issues, difficulty getting on the same page. How long have they been together? Tr Uranus is triggering that t-square now and it’s on his DSC angle and Venus … did they suddenly get engaged?Btw can you help me to also look at this couple? 🙂 http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/012272.html 93novYes he’s very manipulative and toxic, but he is also a provider and cares a lot about family so he gets away with way more than he should.Uranus in Taurus is a theme with this couple.CVenus in Taurus.CUranus conjunct NN.His venus in Taurus.Her Venus at 0 Gemini in his 7H ruled by Taurus.Transit Uranus is conjunct his Venus/ their composite Venus.He has never been single for more than a few months before meeting someone new and the relationship lasting another 3-4 years. I wonder how Uranus in Taurus will shake things up. His routine/ pattern has been pretty consistent and now he’s engaged. True to Taurus fashion but not with the Uranus part. He has always been “married” (committed).She on the other hand hasn’t been in too many relationships or really significant ones at least. They are both pretty well-off in comparison to their families and upbringing. Moreso on his side than hers.If he is not a narcissist, he has STRONG narcissistic traits. He will literally love you one minute and discard you the next. It’s just all very weird and I want answers lol. 93novBump*93novBump*Marriage date set for :08.04.2024The guy is my ex and obviously wants to dig the knife in my back harder convincing his fiancé to set the date for the exact date we met.. or maybe just a coincidence? Maybe.Any more insight would be greatly appreciated.Prominent Placements/ Degrees I've been noticing recently:Mid-late degree Leo placements. (18 Leo -29 Leo)Early degree Virgo placements. (0-6 degrees Virgo) Late degree Cancer placements. (24-26 degrees specifically)Late degree Gemini - mid Taurus placements. (20-24 Gemini; 0-18 degrees Taurus)My Chiron is in Virgo at 1 degree.Not sure what the lesson is, but these placements keep popping up in new people i meet. There's something im supposed to learn from all of this but im not sure.It can't be simply to heal? I knew that already. The placements i mentioned above have been the cause of some of the most gut-wrenching times in my life and only started becoming a focal point until after i met Mr. Cancer (the guy in the post).93novBump (:
His birth time is around 5:30pm (via his mom)
Her birth time is unknown but she has a strong chin like a Cappy ASC. But yes, unknown.
Composite (he is red. She is blue)
Synastry
HIS natal
HER natal
I don’t know what birth time you used for her, but could she have a late Cancer or early Virgo Moon? Because a Leo Moon will likely end up miserable with this synastry. He has so much Virgo influence (Moon, Mars and 6th house Venus), he will be critical of her especially with that Saturn in the mix. He probably is just trying to help her, but it could be too much to handle. Her Moon sign is important here.
quote:Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:First thing I noticed, his Saturn in a tight square to her Venus. Ouch… and it’s a Gemini Venus too. It doesn’t like to be tied down. I don’t know what birth time you used for her, but could she have a late Cancer or early Virgo Moon? Because a Leo Moon will likely end up miserable with this synastry. He has so much Virgo influence (Moon, Mars and 6th house Venus), he will be critical of her especially with that Saturn in the mix. He probably is just trying to help her, but it could be too much to handle. Her Moon sign is important here.
Thank you so much for your reply, PlutoWasHere
I played around with her birth time and no matter the time of day, her moon is firm in Leo. Early or late Leo is the question.
He is definitely the player type with a lot of secret affairs.
quote:Originally posted by 93nov: Thank you so much for your reply, PlutoWasHereI played around with her birth time and no matter the time of day, her moon is firm in Leo. Early or late Leo is the question. He is definitely the player type with a lot of secret affairs.
He had secret affairs? Oh, that’s not something that just goes away. He has his Moon and Mars in het 12th House, that can blindside her. His Mars might indicate a problem if he indeed goes behind her back. Pluto in harsh aspect to Venus in the natal chart (his Scorpio Pluto opposite his Taurus Venus) can point to someone that struggles with relationships, jealousy or trust issues may play a role. He might feel more powerful and in control when having affairs.
This is not an easy relationship if she indeed has a Leo Moon. I see no support for her Moon to smooth out any rough aspects. Maybe Venus retrograde in Leo will show her what she truly needs.
quote:Originally posted by PlutoWasHere: He had secret affairs? Oh, that’s not something that just goes away. He has his Moon and Mars in het 12th House, that can blindside her. His Mars might indicate a problem if he indeed goes behind her back. Pluto in harsh aspect to Venus in the natal chart (his Scorpio Pluto opposite his Taurus Venus) can point to someone that struggles with relationships, jealousy or trust issues may play a role. He might feel more powerful and in control when having affairs. This is not an easy relationship if she indeed has a Leo Moon. I see no support for her Moon to smooth out any rough aspects. Maybe Venus retrograde in Leo will show her what she truly needs.
Spot on which is why I'm so curious about the synastry, compatibility. Her moon is either receiving weak semi sextiles from his Sun/Moon or a square from his venus and a weak sextile from his Jupiter.
I see a relationship built off appearances and gatherings, but no real substance.. unless the substance is that they both want and need public acceptance, recognition? Her Leo Moon fits perfectly with his Moon/mars conjunction in the 10H.
But as you stated, that almost exact Saturn-Venus square is sticking out like a sore thumb.. amongst other things. I see a t-square and two major oppositions in synastry and composite.
quote:Originally posted by 93nov: …I see a relationship built off appearances and gatherings, but no real substance.. unless the substance is that they both want and need public acceptance, recognition? Her Leo Moon fits perfectly with his Moon/mars conjunction in the 10H….
She might have some self sabotaging tendencies with her natal Leo Moon square Scorpio Pluto. She could be looking for intensely emotional experiences so she can be “reborn”. The combination of Moon in harsh aspect to Pluto is a very difficult one. It’s also called a Hades Moon and in its shadow it can look for partners and relationships that they can project their intense emotions on.
Her 7th house ruler Jupiter is also conjunct Chiron and is square her Mars, so there probably are some big lessons for her when it comes to relationships and expressing her anger and boundaries. Subconsciously, she might be looking for a challenging partner so she can learn to express difficult emotions.
Any thoughts?
I see a strong Uranus theme in both synastry and composite, but being that transit Uranus is in Taurus and on their cVenus and individual natals, this might actually work in their favor.
I'm very curious about this because the man in this equation is an undiagnosed covert narcissist.. or at least I have a VERY (very) strong feeling he is..
I want to see what others see vs what I tried to come up with lol.
She, on the other hand, her DSC ruler is conjunct Uranus square 7H Mars. Her 5H ruler is also square Mars… can attract sudden, unconventional relationships which can be hot/cold, disruptive and can also get competitive, bossy but also quarrelsome partners. And she has Moon square Pluto - these natives tend to have overly dramatic emotions.
I wonder why she’s attracted to him? He has no planets in her 5th/7th houses and none touching her angles. Maybe his Moon-Mars in her 12th feels like a spiritual and mysterious connection. Her Venus conjunct his DSC may be a nice connection on first glance but it’s also square his Saturn-Moon/Mars opposition and opposite his Pluto so that’s not gonna play out nice.
That composite doesn’t look outstanding to me. What just stands out is the t-square which shows dramatic emotional exchanges, trust issues, manipulations (again this theme comes up). Their plutonic dark sides can play out. Uranus/Neptune opposite Mercury shows communication issues, difficulty getting on the same page.
How long have they been together? Tr Uranus is triggering that t-square now and it’s on his DSC angle and Venus … did they suddenly get engaged?
Btw can you help me to also look at this couple? 🙂 http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/012272.html
Uranus in Taurus is a theme with this couple.
CVenus in Taurus.CUranus conjunct NN.
His venus in Taurus.Her Venus at 0 Gemini in his 7H ruled by Taurus.
Transit Uranus is conjunct his Venus/ their composite Venus.
He has never been single for more than a few months before meeting someone new and the relationship lasting another 3-4 years. I wonder how Uranus in Taurus will shake things up. His routine/ pattern has been pretty consistent and now he’s engaged. True to Taurus fashion but not with the Uranus part. He has always been “married” (committed).
She on the other hand hasn’t been in too many relationships or really significant ones at least.
They are both pretty well-off in comparison to their families and upbringing. Moreso on his side than hers.
If he is not a narcissist, he has STRONG narcissistic traits. He will literally love you one minute and discard you the next.
It’s just all very weird and I want answers lol.
Marriage date set for :
08.04.2024
The guy is my ex and obviously wants to dig the knife in my back harder convincing his fiancé to set the date for the exact date we met.. or maybe just a coincidence? Maybe.
Any more insight would be greatly appreciated.
Prominent Placements/ Degrees I've been noticing recently:
Mid-late degree Leo placements. (18 Leo -29 Leo)
Early degree Virgo placements. (0-6 degrees Virgo)
Late degree Cancer placements. (24-26 degrees specifically)
Late degree Gemini - mid Taurus placements. (20-24 Gemini; 0-18 degrees Taurus)
My Chiron is in Virgo at 1 degree.
Not sure what the lesson is, but these placements keep popping up in new people i meet.
There's something im supposed to learn from all of this but im not sure.
It can't be simply to heal? I knew that already.
The placements i mentioned above have been the cause of some of the most gut-wrenching times in my life and only started becoming a focal point until after i met Mr. Cancer (the guy in the post).
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