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T O P I C R E V I E Wmargym0oMy coworker's son is beginning to exhibit behavioural problems in school so I ran his chart. It is quite impressive. I've never seen so many squares in a chart before. Plus his Sun appears to be unaspected?What can be expected of his little life with these challenges? ComatoesHow is he acting out? Is he going to a traditional school? He needs a school that will cater to his strong imagination and creativity. Uranus in 1st will always need to experience life differently than the common person. His cardinal cross will be difficult but so much potential and growth.Can you take out all the asteroids and just use the standard planets, north node, Chiron only.margym0o quote:Originally posted by Comatoes:How is he acting out? Is he going to a traditional school? He needs a school that will cater to his strong imagination and creativity. Uranus in 1st will always need to experience life differently than the common person. His cardinal cross will be difficult but so much potential and growth.Can you take out all the asteroids and just use the standard planets, north node, Chiron only.Thank you! He is acting out physically. Here without all the asteroids. callarosaWith so many squares to the moon, he probably has a lot of difficulty expressing the intensity of his emotions, which is why he's acting out. I would put him in weekly therapy sessions ASAP so he can learn how to deal with his emotions in a healthier way, to be honest. I'd enroll him in some art programs, too, since he's very creative and sensitive. I worry that with so many moon squares he could turn to violence as he grows older to deal with his emotions if he doesn't learn how to manage them at a young age. With moon square mars and mars in 7th, he also really needs to learn how to co-operate with others without losing his temper.He'll have a tough time career-wise, but there's no point worrying about that now. His career will be a bit easier once he learns to control his emotions and co-operate with others.deepseabluesWow he has as many moon squares as mine! Is his mother neglectful/abusive, emotional? My childhood and life has been extremely emotionally traumatizing and I have 5 moon squares as well, although not all those pluto squares. Those look tough. I can express my emotions well though, too well, apparently it is too intense for most people so I have had to learn how to repress and not express them to most cause they can't handle it. A lot of abandonment/rejection.Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by callarosa:With so many squares to the moon, he probably has a lot of difficulty expressing the intensity of his emotions, which is why he's acting out. I would put him in weekly therapy sessions ASAP so he can learn how to deal with his emotions in a healthier way, to be honest. I'd enroll him in some art programs, too, since he's very creative and sensitive. I worry that with so many moon squares he could turn to violence as he grows older to deal with his emotions if he doesn't learn how to manage them at a young age. With moon square mars and mars in 7th, he also really needs to learn how to co-operate with others without losing his temper.He'll have a tough time career-wise, but there's no point worrying about that now. His career will be a bit easier once he learns to control his emotions and co-operate with others. I also have Moon in Cancer square Mars in Libra and I too acted up a lot when I was a kid. Encourage him to talk. Encourage him to express his feelings.Encourage him to write about what he is going through.Most times boys don't know how to express their Moon in Cancer- for fear of being labeled "sissies" and being made fun of. Congratulate him(privately)for doing nice things.The Moon must always win in this tussle of squares.When I was a kid,I loved taking care of my siblings and Mom. And doing random things to show I care. My mother congratulated me a lot and never made me feel like boys are not "supposed" to do what I was doing etc.He also needs his Dad or some male figure to relate to- especially since he is a boy.I didn't have a great Dad nor a great male figure to relate to. That kinda sucked for me.But this shouldn't just be any male figure. But one that is perfectly okay with expressing a gentle hand.This male figure must not be the type to discourage the nurturing tendencies he has by saying things like "act like a boy", "boys don't do that" etc- but embrace them.This will affirm his self-esteem.This kid needs balance to express the masculine traits of his Leo Sun-through some leadership position at school or in the home. As well as the feminine nature of the Moon in Cancer-through some meaningful acts of kindness. Keep this going and tackle the rest as it comes.But focus on this. The home is all the support a child needs to face the external world. Especially Cancer Moon/SunWhen this is taken care of thoroughly, the external world will be better dealt with.KohoI have a Moon square MarsI also have Moon conjunct Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune.I advise getting him into a sport. For me, that Uranus energy on the Moon has always been released by physical activity.I got into a lot of fights when younger. USUALLY didn't initiate, but I almost always escalated. Boxing and Running have always been the two sports that worked for me. The boxing gets out the aggression in a controlled environment and boost up the ego so I didn't feel the need to reaffirm myself as often. And running was just a purely exhausting release.I know it's a little odd that the solution to a kid acting out physically is to teach him how to do it even better. But don't underestimate the patience that can be gained by a boosted confidence. A good boxing coach would teach him never to resort to violence unless there's no other choice. He'll be able to tell himself he doesn't need to lash out because he already knows he's a tough nut. But just make sure if he does go this route to get him with a nurturing coach that's focused on helping him release his energy, and teaches him restraint with confidence.It's gonna be tough.edit: My moon is in Capricorn so pretty different than Cancer but I think the same solutions can work.GemBird82Well, I'm going to write about the main question ([I]if hard life ?)Because the 'acting physically in school' problem is product of that tricky Mars.[/i]for me, the root of the problem would be external influences so, many troubles may come from thirds, not from the native's mind.---------------This child is experiencing His 3rd, 4th house right now.And who is Lord of 3rd and 4th Houses?- Mercuryit rules Both, and since I could say many things about this, I'll try to be as brief as possible.** Bad behavior, failure, stability, sucess, good times and not so good ones, Mercury will be present in all of these moments. Why?Because this 6th House Mercury connects both Nodes.Mercury 11º46' VirgoNorth Node 11º38 CapricornHere we have a 10 minutes orbfact,Almost a perfect trine, which means this person deeply needs this helping hand.Another indicator for this is His Sun inconjunct North Node, which means the nature of this native is incompatible with his goals in life and would be very different to reach on his own.This is what this Grand Cross is about:Family members, partner, mentors, and all kind of ideals (product of external factors) that will play a big role in this child's life. ====================================================== Who is Lord of 7th house (partnerships) ?- MercuryHere, I'm going to copy-paste what I wrote above. ** Bad behavior, failure, stability, sucess, good times and not so good ones, Mercury will be present in all of these moments.Because Partnerships come in all kinds of flavors, this Mercury might lead to North Node but also to the South one in Cancer.which is NOT bad, but always remember...any excess is not goodWhy am I warning about South Node?Many of our Health, Love, Financial problems appear when we are living too much according to our South Node. Cannot leave the past behind and forgetting the tasks we are meant to reach.This is when the other external factors act (The high-tension aspects you mentioned) as a detonating factor. And "troubles" just come, or should I say 'we let problems come?'( ... )GemBird82One last thing.As I always say, it doesn't matter how much difficult aspects you have, they will dissapear, gradually.As long as you are learning from your North Node.It's the key factor to solve the puzzle that is present in all of us.This little guy will have to leave his home in order to reach the 10th House and the 11th degree of Capricorn wich has the Sabian Symbol of Aristocracy.( Try to not overthink about this but, if I'm not wrong this Kid shares the same North Node exact degree as john fitzgerald kennedy. )So, the idea of a politician/bussiness man at his desk should be reached in this case.- Hope this helps. FaithI empathize My son's chart is remarkably similar, with the Pisces ASC and grand cross on the angles. I have noticed a lot of aggression in his age group (the Pluto/Saturn/Jupiter-Uranus t-squares lasted a while.)What my son needs is for people to take him seriously. His Cap Pluto-NN has tremendous potential, and he gets super frustrated when he is ignored. His behavior really depends on having a "sounding board"...someone to acknowledge his talents and worth, and be steady about it.Since he has discovered his artistic and verbal talents, and he feels more secure in his outlets of expression, his temper tantrums have mostly gone by the wayside. He's four but definitely talented. Like he can copy pictures and capture all kinds of details, even if they aren't perfectly rendered...he's SEEING everything. I'm still concerned about him, but we've had smooth sailing for a while now.And, if it's any comfort, my chart is a doozey as well, and I turned out normal.next to neptuneHe will be fine, I can guarantee that. My chart really reminds of this boys, I also have a grand cross, and a sort of link, to one of the legs (a blue link just like this boys). He will not have an easy upbringing and he'll probably gonna suffer from some psychological problems later on, maybe in his early 20's, but I gotta tell you that with a chart like this he is bound to work hard from the start, so he will work his way up. People with these kinds of chart don't give up, they face problems everyday, but they actually go much further than everyone else, because they have no choice than to fight for their right Piece for piece, step by step he will learn how to tackle each leg in this cross. It might take half a life-time, but still, he's probably gonna go so much further than everyone else in his environment and surroundings. He is one of those types that is gonna make it, so no worry. Be supportive of him, make sure he knows all his possibilities and potential. Here is my chart if you want to compare them: sisI agree with next to neptune. My chart is a red zone lots of squares, oppositions and conjunctions.. Hard stuff... I am 40. My life was not a rose a garden but it's was not too bad either.. Yeah, I've had my fair share of obstacles, losses, pain, confusion, mild depressions.. But I've also enjoyed life. Look one might have a chart full with trines and only a few squares that does not mean that person will be happy... it might be easier for trine full charts to overcome certain obstacles however mostly becuase they are not used to heavy energy even one square aspect can kill them... A friend of mine - with lots of trines - who was a success story killed himself for nothing from my point of view... shortly, you'll never know how a person will react to his/her chart. sometimes transits hit harder...
What can be expected of his little life with these challenges?
Can you take out all the asteroids and just use the standard planets, north node, Chiron only.
quote:Originally posted by Comatoes:How is he acting out? Is he going to a traditional school? He needs a school that will cater to his strong imagination and creativity. Uranus in 1st will always need to experience life differently than the common person. His cardinal cross will be difficult but so much potential and growth.Can you take out all the asteroids and just use the standard planets, north node, Chiron only.
Thank you! He is acting out physically. Here without all the asteroids.
He'll have a tough time career-wise, but there's no point worrying about that now. His career will be a bit easier once he learns to control his emotions and co-operate with others.
quote:Originally posted by callarosa:With so many squares to the moon, he probably has a lot of difficulty expressing the intensity of his emotions, which is why he's acting out. I would put him in weekly therapy sessions ASAP so he can learn how to deal with his emotions in a healthier way, to be honest. I'd enroll him in some art programs, too, since he's very creative and sensitive. I worry that with so many moon squares he could turn to violence as he grows older to deal with his emotions if he doesn't learn how to manage them at a young age. With moon square mars and mars in 7th, he also really needs to learn how to co-operate with others without losing his temper.He'll have a tough time career-wise, but there's no point worrying about that now. His career will be a bit easier once he learns to control his emotions and co-operate with others.
I also have Moon in Cancer square Mars in Libra and I too acted up a lot when I was a kid.
Encourage him to talk. Encourage him to express his feelings.Encourage him to write about what he is going through.
Most times boys don't know how to express their Moon in Cancer- for fear of being labeled "sissies" and being made fun of.
Congratulate him(privately)for doing nice things.The Moon must always win in this tussle of squares.
When I was a kid,I loved taking care of my siblings and Mom. And doing random things to show I care.
My mother congratulated me a lot and never made me feel like boys are not "supposed" to do what I was doing etc.
He also needs his Dad or some male figure to relate to- especially since he is a boy.
I didn't have a great Dad nor a great male figure to relate to. That kinda sucked for me.
But this shouldn't just be any male figure. But one that is perfectly okay with expressing a gentle hand.
This male figure must not be the type to discourage the nurturing tendencies he has by saying things like "act like a boy", "boys don't do that" etc- but embrace them.This will affirm his self-esteem.
This kid needs balance to express the masculine traits of his Leo Sun-through some leadership position at school or in the home.
As well as the feminine nature of the Moon in Cancer-through some meaningful acts of kindness.
Keep this going and tackle the rest as it comes.But focus on this. The home is all the support a child needs to face the external world. Especially Cancer Moon/Sun
When this is taken care of thoroughly, the external world will be better dealt with.
I advise getting him into a sport. For me, that Uranus energy on the Moon has always been released by physical activity.
I got into a lot of fights when younger. USUALLY didn't initiate, but I almost always escalated.
Boxing and Running have always been the two sports that worked for me. The boxing gets out the aggression in a controlled environment and boost up the ego so I didn't feel the need to reaffirm myself as often. And running was just a purely exhausting release.
I know it's a little odd that the solution to a kid acting out physically is to teach him how to do it even better. But don't underestimate the patience that can be gained by a boosted confidence. A good boxing coach would teach him never to resort to violence unless there's no other choice. He'll be able to tell himself he doesn't need to lash out because he already knows he's a tough nut. But just make sure if he does go this route to get him with a nurturing coach that's focused on helping him release his energy, and teaches him restraint with confidence.
It's gonna be tough.
edit: My moon is in Capricorn so pretty different than Cancer but I think the same solutions can work.
for me, the root of the problem would be external influences so, many troubles may come from thirds, not from the native's mind.---------------
This child is experiencing His 3rd, 4th house right now.
And who is Lord of 3rd and 4th Houses?
- Mercury
it rules Both, and since I could say many things about this, I'll try to be as brief as possible.
** Bad behavior, failure, stability, sucess, good times and not so good ones, Mercury will be present in all of these moments. Why?
Because this 6th House Mercury connects both Nodes.
Mercury 11º46' VirgoNorth Node 11º38 Capricorn
Here we have a 10 minutes orbfact,Almost a perfect trine, which means this person deeply needs this helping hand.
Another indicator for this is His Sun inconjunct North Node, which means the nature of this native is incompatible with his goals in life and would be very different to reach on his own.
This is what this Grand Cross is about:Family members, partner, mentors, and all kind of ideals (product of external factors) that will play a big role in this child's life. ======================================================
Who is Lord of 7th house (partnerships) ?
Here, I'm going to copy-paste what I wrote above. ** Bad behavior, failure, stability, sucess, good times and not so good ones, Mercury will be present in all of these moments.
Because Partnerships come in all kinds of flavors, this Mercury might lead to North Node but also to the South one in Cancer.which is NOT bad, but always remember...any excess is not good
Why am I warning about South Node?Many of our Health, Love, Financial problems appear when we are living too much according to our South Node. Cannot leave the past behind and forgetting the tasks we are meant to reach.This is when the other external factors act (The high-tension aspects you mentioned) as a detonating factor. And "troubles" just come, or should I say 'we let problems come?'
( ... )
As I always say, it doesn't matter how much difficult aspects you have, they will dissapear, gradually.As long as you are learning from your North Node.
It's the key factor to solve the puzzle that is present in all of us.
This little guy will have to leave his home in order to reach the 10th House and the 11th degree of Capricorn wich has the Sabian Symbol of Aristocracy.( Try to not overthink about this but, if I'm not wrong this Kid shares the same North Node exact degree as john fitzgerald kennedy. )So, the idea of a politician/bussiness man at his desk should be reached in this case.
- Hope this helps.
My son's chart is remarkably similar, with the Pisces ASC and grand cross on the angles.
I have noticed a lot of aggression in his age group (the Pluto/Saturn/Jupiter-Uranus t-squares lasted a while.)
What my son needs is for people to take him seriously. His Cap Pluto-NN has tremendous potential, and he gets super frustrated when he is ignored. His behavior really depends on having a "sounding board"...someone to acknowledge his talents and worth, and be steady about it.
Since he has discovered his artistic and verbal talents, and he feels more secure in his outlets of expression, his temper tantrums have mostly gone by the wayside.
He's four but definitely talented. Like he can copy pictures and capture all kinds of details, even if they aren't perfectly rendered...he's SEEING everything.
I'm still concerned about him, but we've had smooth sailing for a while now.
And, if it's any comfort, my chart is a doozey as well, and I turned out normal.
He will not have an easy upbringing and he'll probably gonna suffer from some psychological problems later on, maybe in his early 20's, but I gotta tell you that with a chart like this he is bound to work hard from the start, so he will work his way up. People with these kinds of chart don't give up, they face problems everyday, but they actually go much further than everyone else, because they have no choice than to fight for their right
Piece for piece, step by step he will learn how to tackle each leg in this cross. It might take half a life-time, but still, he's probably gonna go so much further than everyone else in his environment and surroundings. He is one of those types that is gonna make it, so no worry. Be supportive of him, make sure he knows all his possibilities and potential.
Here is my chart if you want to compare them:
I am 40. My life was not a rose a garden but it's was not too bad either.. Yeah, I've had my fair share of obstacles, losses, pain, confusion, mild depressions.. But I've also enjoyed life.
Look one might have a chart full with trines and only a few squares that does not mean that person will be happy... it might be easier for trine full charts to overcome certain obstacles however mostly becuase they are not used to heavy energy even one square aspect can kill them... A friend of mine - with lots of trines - who was a success story killed himself for nothing from my point of view...
shortly, you'll never know how a person will react to his/her chart. sometimes transits hit harder...
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