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T O P I C R E V I E WroadwarriorsdpSelf conflict(ixion) possibly caused by not taking responsibility in life(Dschuba) , gives birth to (nessus) self abuse, or abuse to others. Where does nessus fool Deianeira(or make you feel date raped) in your chart? What is your ideal person(Hercules) or ideal conciousness vs. the one you you perceive. What centaur do you relate to the most in the mythology. Sometimes they can manifest as sexual fantasies.I believe the sollution is in removing nessus non violently, as hercules violent action caused nessus to poison him indirectly. Perhaps if hercules would have highered another to do the job, or used another faculty of heroism, via perseus, or odyseus, herculean less violent forms of the ego.the water signs fire signs and airs igns show the different manifestations and teh houses show where.go ahead and do it for yourselves.roadwarriorsdpbump this up for the public to read and use.roadwarriorsdpbump this up for the public to read and use.GlaucusI am Ixion man myselfIxion in 5'25 Scorpioconjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpioconjunct Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpiotrine Moon in 3'11 Piscesquincunx Saturn in 5'08 Gemini RIxion is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate and plutino. Ixion's orbital period is a year apart from Pluto's. plutinos have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune. For every time Neptune orbits 3 times, plutinos orbit twice.That's the same with Pluto. That's why objects that orbit like Pluto are classed as plutinos.As a rule, plutinos are named after Underworld characters. Ixion's name was chosen because of Ixion being punished in Tartarus which is the Greek version of Hell. He was known as the first mortal murderer.No mortal would purify him for his crime.Zeus agreed to purify him. Ixion was given a second chance. Ixion was a guest at Zeus' home. Ixion betrayed his host's trust and showed lack of gratitude by coming onto to Hera. She told Zeus. Zeus tested Ixion by making a fake Hera out of a cloud. Ixion mated with it,and that led to the conception of Centaurus who mated with a mare which led to centaurs being born. Ixion was punished by being bound to a flaming wheel in Tartarus.The themes Ixion are second chances, guest/host relationship, gratitude/ingratitude,karma, lustas a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate and plutino, evolutionary intensification,transformation,death,intensity,sexualI found out my placement in 2001 after its discovery was announced. At the time of its discovery, it was thought to be larger than Ceres. It was believed to be over 1,000 km in diameter. It is now believed to be about 650 km in diameter. I was looking forward to it being named. I even checked out names that would fit the object. Out of all of them, I preferred Inanna because she was the Sumerian Goddess of Love/Fertility that was killed in the Underworld and was resurrected after 3 days. I was very disappointed that it was named after a mortal. I wasn't crazy about having my Sun in a near exact conjunction an object that was named after a wicked mythical character. ------------------No..I am not a Virgo.Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts GlaucusHere are some preliminary keywords from Philip Sedgwick's site:Ixion: Father of the Centaurs, and not a particularly nice fellow. Orbital Period: 246.78 yr.Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerningNegative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experienceMundane - second efforts and chances, reset buttons, cloud seeding, study of weather, watching clouds, lust or coveting of another's mateCeremonial - rain dances, purging fires, seeking master healersNessus: Ferryman at the River Evenus. Orbital Period: 120.76 yr.Positive - generous, benevolent, compassionate, willing to lend a helping hand, cooperative, respectful of boundaries, aware of the power of life force energy, healthy use of sexual energyNegative - coveting, possessive, jealous, vengeful, manipulative, resorting to negative alchemy for personal gain, negative use of sexual energyMundane - bad blood between parties, feuds over money especially regarding relationship dissolution, diseases transmitted by blood, transport ferries over water, potions, tonics and elixirs designed to cast spells, therapy specifically designed for healing sexual or monetary issuesCeremonial - prosperity ceremonies, sexual healing rituals, ceremonies involving Earth fertility ------------------No..I am not a Virgo.Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group.http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=tsroadwarriorsdpGlaucius thanks for responding, your post had me cracking up at the naming of the asteroid. Ixion isn't the greatest name, I agree, but atleast it sounds as kewl as darth vader and luke skywalker.roadwarriorsdpGlaucius do you find yourself identifying strongly with the lessons of forgiveness Could you maybe give some manifestations of how this has re-occurted tghrough your life briefly?Anything at all will be greatly appreciated...as having it conjunct sun probably brings similar lessons to having neptune coonjunct sun by 10 degrees...which i feel lis like wanting neptune conjunct sun at 0 degrees, and tasting it, but it forever being out of reach.I'm referring to ixion herei n your chart..the only planet that is conjunct my sun is neptune by 10 degrees seperating, and it feels like i just missed the boat to being a world famous artist.GlaucusshrugsI am not seeing Ixion being related to forgiveness. That's just my opinion though.I also want to point out that Ixion is not asteroid. It's a transneptunian plutino. It's like Pluto in its orbit and composition.Asteroids are rock objects that orbit in the inner regions of the solar system.Transneptunians are icy,rock objects that orbit in the outer regions of the solar system.Before Chiron was discovered in 1977, all minor planets were asteroids.Chiron didn't fit the mold as an asteroid. It was the first minor planet that was not an asteroid discovered. Well, technically Pluto was the first minor planet that was not an asteroid discovered, but that wasn't determined until 2006.Then in 1990's, astronomers started discovering more centaurs (besides Chiron) and transneptunians (besides Pluto) making it more difficult to refer to refer to minor planets in general as asteroids. Before Chiron was discovered, all minor planets were asteroids. The first 4 asteroids discovered, Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were known as planets. Then 40 years after the discovery of Vesta, Astraea was discovered. Then astronomers started scratching their heads, and as they found more objects. They realized that they were not planets. Therefore, they came up with the category of asteroids. Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were removed from the planet category and thrown into the asteroid category. In 2006, Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet and has equal astronomical status with Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Haumea. more objects will join with themSedna,Orcus,Varuna,Quaoar,Ixion (named transneptunian dwarf planets from largest to smallest)as well as other unnamed big transneptunian objects.2007 OR10 is nicknamed Snow White, and its size is between that of Sedna and Orcus, making it the largest unnamed transneptunian object. ------------------No..I am not a Virgo.Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts roadwarriorsdp quote:Originally posted by Glaucus:shrugsI am not seeing Ixion being related to forgiveness. That's just my opinion though.I also want to point out that Ixion is not asteroid. It's a transneptunian plutino. It's like Pluto in its orbit and composition.Asteroids are rock objects that orbit in the inner regions of the solar system.Transneptunians are icy,rock objects that orbit in the outer regions of the solar system.Before Chiron was discovered in 1977, all minor planets were asteroids.Chiron didn't fit the mold as an asteroid. It was the first minor planet that was not an asteroid discovered. Well, technically Pluto was the first minor planet that was not an asteroid discovered, but that wasn't determined until 2006.Then in 1990's, astronomers started discovering more centaurs (besides Chiron) and transneptunians (besides Pluto) making it more difficult to refer to refer to minor planets in general as asteroids. Before Chiron was discovered, all minor planets were asteroids. The first 4 asteroids discovered, Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were known as planets. Then 40 years after the discovery of Vesta, Astraea was discovered. Then astronomers started scratching their heads, and as they found more objects. They realized that they were not planets. Therefore, they came up with the category of asteroids. Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were removed from the planet category and thrown into the asteroid category. In 2006, Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet and has equal astronomical status with Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Haumea. more objects will join with themSedna,Orcus,Varuna,Quaoar,Ixion (named transneptunian dwarf planets from largest to smallest)as well as other unnamed big transneptunian objects.2007 OR10 is nicknamed Snow White, and its size is between that of Sedna and Orcus, making it the largest unnamed transneptunian object. Thank you Glaucus for that history lesson...I won't have to assimilate that on my own now! I really do respect that sir! also I understand the signature quotation now and find it very humorous. Your gifts are much appreaciated.joyrjwI think I'm an Ixion woman myself. I'm also not entirely sure how it works out in my chart. I think.... If it has to do with 2nd chances and betrayal, well, I'd say I've experienced both,I've started fresh quite a few times. The last time I came back from a near death experience. Usually other people are the one's doing the betraying or I get involved with the wrong people and wind up having to be forgiven for picking the wrong battles. Ixion Scorpio 5th house sextile Moon conjunct Uranusconjunct North Nodeconjunct VertexOpp BMLconjunct JunoTrine Pholusquincunx ErisTrine Nessusconjunct QuaoarOpp Sednaquincunx VarunaTrine MidheavenPholus is another one that could be major in my chart. I guess Pholus has to do with change? I've had lots of change in my life. I've had to change myself on multiple occasions for other people or for something that I wanted to do and/or "be". I've also had trouble pinning down what to do for a career. Pholus Rx conjunct my Midheaven in Pisces 0 degrees Pholus opposite MoonTrine UranusSquare Neptunequincunx Plutotrine North Nodesemi square Chiron RxTrine Vertexsexile BMLOpp Cerestrine Junosesquisquare Vestasemisextile Eristrine Nessustrine Ixionsesquisquare Orcustrine Quaoarsquare VarunaNessus Rx Cancer 1st houseEris Rx Aries 10thSedna Rx Taurus 11thVaruna Rx Gemini 12th Orcus Rx Cancer 1st house Quaoar Scorpio 5th I hope this helps. roadwarriorsdpThose are some amazing aspects, when I get back from work I'd like to ask a few questions later....in the meantime i'll help keep this at the top....specificaly Glaucus has mentioned that ixion is for giving second chances, do you notice this?Also ixion is the father of the centaur, so when we don't give second chances i have this feeling that these centaur monsters in us are created in a sense, rather than peace and unity...what do you say to that?Also pholus has always been to me as someone who will come into contact with drug users, may join in on the fun, but then have a tough decision to make as in, hit the escape latch, or stick around and be pulled into the mud.Ami AnneCan you explain Pholus ,Road. My friend has it prominent in her chart and I have no idea about it,roadwarriorsdp quote:Originally posted by Ami Anne:Can you explain Pholus ,Road. My friend has it prominent in her chart and I have no idea about it,Pholus is the centaur who was poisoned by an arrow hercules was going to use to defeat the other centaurs....pholus is least like a centaur than all the centaurs....Pholus is kidn of like chiron, except he swings between saturn and neptune....the ideals and the limitations are reconciled through transformative processes involving pholus the asteroids...house and sign will demonstrate the prrominence and area, in aries pholus will be a big issue with the person, noticeable, in the 11th house it will effect dreams hopes, wishes, luck etc...for me pholus is this...learning to teach the ideals of a purified neptune - follow the virtues, it is the only way to purify the ideals, and then teach them - saturn....pholus experiences make me aware of how the student can poison the teacher, or vice versa, it makes one hyper aware of poison...in a metaphysical sense....i am aware how people's hopes wishes and dreams can poison there wisdom, and when they think they are being heroes, they are actually poisoning others.. I know this because life experience has taught it to me...it wasn't a matter of learning it in a classroom....however i do believe heavily in syncronicity and taht the mythologies are the microcosm within which ellude to the outside realities..the reason there are different versions of mythology only serve to prove this point more...each version is a vibratory position of the same string...like the three religions that are big now, are really the same giant bohemoth in vibration.amelia28"Ixion may bring to surface issues and experiences reflecting this inner conflict--to do that which is considered civilized (dictated by man's laws) or that which is more natural to the wild and free (renegade). In either case the paradox may arise for the civilized patriarch, now quite at odds with the wilder natural world, to take responsibility for doing that which is natural (whether for good or bad) especially when matters of fatality are involved.We can certainly see this theme quite prominent in the medical community: the allopathic verses the naturopathic; prolonging life through artificial means despite the lost of the quality of life, verses letting things take their natural course and using natural cures. This theme is quite fitting to Ixion's discovery in and current passage through Ophiuchus in sidereal Scorpio."amelia28Pholus+Uranus: sudden and unexpected change (perhaps due to an accident)T Ura is approaching my Pholus apex by 2 degrees. In may 2015 it will conjunct my pholus....Geez; hopefully is a good turning point and change.lalalindamoving to the Asteroid Forum
I believe the sollution is in removing nessus non violently, as hercules violent action caused nessus to poison him indirectly. Perhaps if hercules would have highered another to do the job, or used another faculty of heroism, via perseus, or odyseus, herculean less violent forms of the ego.
the water signs fire signs and airs igns show the different manifestations and teh houses show where.
go ahead and do it for yourselves.
Ixion in 5'25 Scorpioconjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpioconjunct Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpiotrine Moon in 3'11 Piscesquincunx Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R
Ixion is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate and plutino. Ixion's orbital period is a year apart from Pluto's.
plutinos have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune. For every time Neptune orbits 3 times, plutinos orbit twice.
That's the same with Pluto. That's why objects that orbit like Pluto are classed as plutinos.
As a rule, plutinos are named after Underworld characters. Ixion's name was chosen because of Ixion being punished in Tartarus which is the Greek version of Hell.
He was known as the first mortal murderer.No mortal would purify him for his crime.Zeus agreed to purify him. Ixion was given a second chance. Ixion was a guest at Zeus' home. Ixion betrayed his host's trust and showed lack of gratitude by coming onto to Hera. She told Zeus. Zeus tested Ixion by making a fake Hera out of a cloud. Ixion mated with it,and that led to the conception of Centaurus who mated with a mare which led to centaurs being born. Ixion was punished by being bound to a flaming wheel in Tartarus.
The themes Ixion are second chances, guest/host relationship, gratitude/ingratitude,karma, lust
as a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate and plutino, evolutionary intensification,transformation,death,intensity,sexual
I found out my placement in 2001 after its discovery was announced. At the time of its discovery, it was thought to be larger than Ceres. It was believed to be over 1,000 km in diameter. It is now believed to be about 650 km in diameter. I was looking forward to it being named. I even checked out names that would fit the object. Out of all of them, I preferred Inanna because she was the Sumerian Goddess of Love/Fertility that was killed in the Underworld and was resurrected after 3 days. I was very disappointed that it was named after a mortal. I wasn't crazy about having my Sun in a near exact conjunction an object that was named after a wicked mythical character.
------------------No..I am not a Virgo.
Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts
Ixion: Father of the Centaurs, and not a particularly nice fellow. Orbital Period: 246.78 yr.
Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning
Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience
Mundane - second efforts and chances, reset buttons, cloud seeding, study of weather, watching clouds, lust or coveting of another's mate
Ceremonial - rain dances, purging fires, seeking master healers
Nessus: Ferryman at the River Evenus. Orbital Period: 120.76 yr.
Positive - generous, benevolent, compassionate, willing to lend a helping hand, cooperative, respectful of boundaries, aware of the power of life force energy, healthy use of sexual energy
Negative - coveting, possessive, jealous, vengeful, manipulative, resorting to negative alchemy for personal gain, negative use of sexual energy
Mundane - bad blood between parties, feuds over money especially regarding relationship dissolution, diseases transmitted by blood, transport ferries over water, potions, tonics and elixirs designed to cast spells, therapy specifically designed for healing sexual or monetary issues
Ceremonial - prosperity ceremonies, sexual healing rituals, ceremonies involving Earth fertility
Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group.http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts
Anything at all will be greatly appreciated...as having it conjunct sun probably brings similar lessons to having neptune coonjunct sun by 10 degrees...which i feel lis like wanting neptune conjunct sun at 0 degrees, and tasting it, but it forever being out of reach.
I'm referring to ixion herei n your chart..the only planet that is conjunct my sun is neptune by 10 degrees seperating, and it feels like i just missed the boat to being a world famous artist.
I also want to point out that Ixion is not asteroid. It's a transneptunian plutino. It's like Pluto in its orbit and composition.
Asteroids are rock objects that orbit in the inner regions of the solar system.
Transneptunians are icy,rock objects that orbit in the outer regions of the solar system.
Before Chiron was discovered in 1977, all minor planets were asteroids.
Chiron didn't fit the mold as an asteroid. It was the first minor planet that was not an asteroid discovered. Well, technically Pluto was the first minor planet that was not an asteroid discovered, but that wasn't determined until 2006.
Then in 1990's, astronomers started discovering more centaurs (besides Chiron) and transneptunians (besides Pluto) making it more difficult to refer to refer to minor planets in general as asteroids.
Before Chiron was discovered, all minor planets were asteroids.
The first 4 asteroids discovered, Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were known as planets. Then 40 years after the discovery of Vesta, Astraea was discovered. Then astronomers started scratching their heads, and as they found more objects. They realized that they were not planets. Therefore, they came up with the category of asteroids. Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were removed from the planet category and thrown into the asteroid category. In 2006, Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet and has equal astronomical status with Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Haumea.
more objects will join with them
Sedna,Orcus,Varuna,Quaoar,Ixion (named transneptunian dwarf planets from largest to smallest)as well as other unnamed big transneptunian objects.
2007 OR10 is nicknamed Snow White, and its size is between that of Sedna and Orcus, making it the largest unnamed transneptunian object.
quote:Originally posted by Glaucus:shrugsI am not seeing Ixion being related to forgiveness. That's just my opinion though.I also want to point out that Ixion is not asteroid. It's a transneptunian plutino. It's like Pluto in its orbit and composition.Asteroids are rock objects that orbit in the inner regions of the solar system.Transneptunians are icy,rock objects that orbit in the outer regions of the solar system.Before Chiron was discovered in 1977, all minor planets were asteroids.Chiron didn't fit the mold as an asteroid. It was the first minor planet that was not an asteroid discovered. Well, technically Pluto was the first minor planet that was not an asteroid discovered, but that wasn't determined until 2006.Then in 1990's, astronomers started discovering more centaurs (besides Chiron) and transneptunians (besides Pluto) making it more difficult to refer to refer to minor planets in general as asteroids. Before Chiron was discovered, all minor planets were asteroids. The first 4 asteroids discovered, Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were known as planets. Then 40 years after the discovery of Vesta, Astraea was discovered. Then astronomers started scratching their heads, and as they found more objects. They realized that they were not planets. Therefore, they came up with the category of asteroids. Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were removed from the planet category and thrown into the asteroid category. In 2006, Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet and has equal astronomical status with Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Haumea. more objects will join with themSedna,Orcus,Varuna,Quaoar,Ixion (named transneptunian dwarf planets from largest to smallest)as well as other unnamed big transneptunian objects.2007 OR10 is nicknamed Snow White, and its size is between that of Sedna and Orcus, making it the largest unnamed transneptunian object.
Thank you Glaucus for that history lesson...I won't have to assimilate that on my own now! I really do respect that sir! also I understand the signature quotation now and find it very humorous.
Your gifts are much appreaciated.
I'm also not entirely sure how it works out in my chart.
I think....
If it has to do with 2nd chances and betrayal, well, I'd say I've experienced both,I've started fresh quite a few times. The last time I came back from a near death experience. Usually other people are the one's doing the betraying or I get involved with the wrong people and wind up having to be forgiven for picking the wrong battles.
Ixion Scorpio 5th house
sextile Moon conjunct Uranusconjunct North Nodeconjunct VertexOpp BMLconjunct JunoTrine Pholusquincunx ErisTrine Nessusconjunct QuaoarOpp Sednaquincunx VarunaTrine Midheaven
Pholus is another one that could be major in my chart.
I guess Pholus has to do with change? I've had lots of change in my life. I've had to change myself on multiple occasions for other people or for something that I wanted to do and/or "be". I've also had trouble pinning down what to do for a career.
Pholus Rx conjunct my Midheaven in Pisces 0 degrees
Pholus opposite MoonTrine UranusSquare Neptunequincunx Plutotrine North Nodesemi square Chiron RxTrine Vertexsexile BMLOpp Cerestrine Junosesquisquare Vestasemisextile Eristrine Nessustrine Ixionsesquisquare Orcustrine Quaoarsquare Varuna
Nessus Rx Cancer 1st houseEris Rx Aries 10thSedna Rx Taurus 11thVaruna Rx Gemini 12th Orcus Rx Cancer 1st house Quaoar Scorpio 5th
I hope this helps.
Also ixion is the father of the centaur, so when we don't give second chances i have this feeling that these centaur monsters in us are created in a sense, rather than peace and unity...what do you say to that?
Also pholus has always been to me as someone who will come into contact with drug users, may join in on the fun, but then have a tough decision to make as in, hit the escape latch, or stick around and be pulled into the mud.
quote:Originally posted by Ami Anne:Can you explain Pholus ,Road. My friend has it prominent in her chart and I have no idea about it,
Pholus is the centaur who was poisoned by an arrow hercules was going to use to defeat the other centaurs....pholus is least like a centaur than all the centaurs....
Pholus is kidn of like chiron, except he swings between saturn and neptune....the ideals and the limitations are reconciled through transformative processes involving pholus the asteroids...house and sign will demonstrate the prrominence and area, in aries pholus will be a big issue with the person, noticeable, in the 11th house it will effect dreams hopes, wishes, luck etc...
for me pholus is this...
learning to teach the ideals of a purified neptune - follow the virtues, it is the only way to purify the ideals, and then teach them - saturn....pholus experiences make me aware of how the student can poison the teacher, or vice versa, it makes one hyper aware of poison...in a metaphysical sense....i am aware how people's hopes wishes and dreams can poison there wisdom, and when they think they are being heroes, they are actually poisoning others.. I know this because life experience has taught it to me...it wasn't a matter of learning it in a classroom....however i do believe heavily in syncronicity and taht the mythologies are the microcosm within which ellude to the outside realities..
the reason there are different versions of mythology only serve to prove this point more...each version is a vibratory position of the same string...like the three religions that are big now, are really the same giant bohemoth in vibration.
We can certainly see this theme quite prominent in the medical community: the allopathic verses the naturopathic; prolonging life through artificial means despite the lost of the quality of life, verses letting things take their natural course and using natural cures. This theme is quite fitting to Ixion's discovery in and current passage through Ophiuchus in sidereal Scorpio."
T Ura is approaching my Pholus apex by 2 degrees. In may 2015 it will conjunct my pholus....
Geez; hopefully is a good turning point and change.
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