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T O P I C R E V I E Whypatia238So for the month of November and December I was feeling very foggy and while reading about Ixion learned about Nephele; a nympth cloud. I would say that November and December felt a bit like a cloud was following me around, making feel me disoriented and lost affecting my motivation and giving a strong desire to isolate.Early November Nephele was right on my Mercury Retro and in the course of the following two months it conjuncted my mercury, then squared my nodes, then opposed my moon, then squared my AC/DC and now is on my SUN separating. So I noticed someone started a thread last month about feeling foggy and many people replied to it so I am wondering if Nephele played a role in this via transit. It seems to have for me... I feel that when it aspected my angles and nodes is when it affected me the most.-------------------With asteroid Nephele in aspect within the natal chart, you struggle to find your sense of identity. Personal success is a challenge as you lack confidence in your own abilities and define yourself by the people in your surroundings.You can find when natal Nephele is in aspect that you are surrounded by competitive or dominating others. Here, you lose yourself, and are dwarfed by the attention needs of the personalities around you.This could be the classic placement of the child or sibling who forever lives in the shadow of the more successful family member. One could also imagine that those individuals who attempt to emulate their favourite celebrities, either as a career choice, or through plastic surgery, would have natal aspects to Nephele.In transit, asteroid Nephele no doubt indicates times when you are being used as a pawn in others people’s games. Jealousy would feature strongly, as would relationship dramatics. Affairs and isolation could figure, whilst you can find in general that your efforts are completed ignored and the attention that you seek is given elsewhere.In transit though, aspects by Nephele can be just what is needed to re-evaluate intentions and move away from situations where your attachment is for external approval or attention only.Possible keywords: sense of identity, pawn in others games, desire for approval of others, attention seeking, jealousy, relationship manipulation, loss of identity, challenge to be seen above the talents of a family member, desire to be recognized as an individual, miserable until sense of identity is found. http://astrologyclub.org/asteroid-nephele/ hypatia238My brother has it square his Mars which rules his 5th house and MC and both of those areas are areas in his life he has never been able to take off and advance in and always feels kind of lost in. He is up in the clouds in these areas. To be fair he has Venus and Saturn retro which can explain why but I suppose Nephele in the 7th square Mars in the 10th with mars ruling his 5th and 10th reinforces greatly this theme that is so pronounced in his life. Nephele sextiles my Venus in the 8th which inconjuncts my Moon so I have a YOD with it and my moon squares my nodes. Futher moon opposes mercury retro which rules my 7th so moon opposite mercury is my skipped step and that Nephele Yod gives further clues to my skipped step.What a mess!mirage29Hi Hypatia, Did you mean to post this in Astrology 2.0 Forum... instead of Asteroid Astrology? (Just asking) ...hypatia238A client of mine has Nephele inconjunct Mars and she has no drive at all, she is like a cloud with no direction but I belief in her.Another client of mine but much younger and does well in school has Venus-Dejanira-Nephele-Sun stellium squaring her Nodes; Nephele squares exact her nodes. She is communicative with her immediate family such as her parents and siblings but with the outside world and extended family her voice gets lost and she is overwhelmed with extreme shyness often having difficulty answering simple questions and always speaking extremely low with no projection or passion; I often have to ask her to adjust her volume so I can hear her response, is like she does not have a voice, she also has eros square echo. She has 3 siblings and all 3 are very outspoken, social and expressive and appear to feel very comfortable in their own skin. Interesting that her mercury is on my northnode in gemini squaring exact my own Mercury-Smiley by 0d00 and my Venus conjuncts exact her Southnode.hypatia238 quote:Originally posted by mirage29:Hi Hypatia, Did you mean to post this in Astrology 2.0 Forum... instead of Asteroid Astrology? (Just asking) ...Yes bc the forum is not working so I posted it here for now. When the site is back up it should be transferred to Asteroids.Seimei quote:Originally posted by hypatia238: Yes bc the forum is not working so I posted it here for now. When the site is back up it should be transferred to Asteroids. Yeah I just fond my way here from one of my old bookmarks,lol. Yes the folder tree missing page is a PITA.HERE IS A LINK HYPATIA http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Asteroid+Astrology&number=28 I just made a new book mark for Astrology 2.0 properly labeled so I can get around. here is one for Astral Realms http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Astral+Realms&number=15 Lindaland Central 2.0 http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Lindaland+Central+2.0&number=25 all I have ------------------LeekingCheehypatia238 quote:Originally posted by Seimei: Yeah I just fond my way here from one of my old bookmarks,lol. Yes the folder tree missing page is a PITA.HERE IS A LINK HYPATIA http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=top ics&forum=Asteroid+Astrology&number=28 I just made a new book mark for Astrology 2.0 properly labeled so I can get around. here is one for Astral Realms http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&f orum=Astral+Realms&number=15 Lindaland Central 2.0 http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action= topics&forum=Lindaland+Central+2.0&number=25 all I have I am soo happy to you see here! Missed you. You are always so helpful, thank you for the links.mamawolfJust another square to add to my mercury. My poor mercury hypatia238 quote:Originally posted by mamawolf:Just another square to add to my mercury. My poor mercury Welcome to the club...My mercury is my skipped step meaning it squares my nodes and it opposes my moon, semisquares my saturn and is retro so very karmic....Would you say you often feel lost with words like you often feel you don't know what to say or lack confidence in self expression or like you perhaps feel not heard and other more domineering types take over conversations and your voice gets lost in the shuffle?FaithUsed Seimei's links above to "rescue" some subforums. Thanks, Seimei. hypatia, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have Nephele at 14 Cancer completing a cardinal grand cross with my sun, Pluto, and Jupiter. I see it's transiting exactly on my Saturn today.Well I got a lot done and for once the cloud seemed gone. mamawolf quote:Originally posted by hypatia238: Welcome to the club...My mercury is my skipped step meaning it squares my nodes and it opposes my moon, semisquares my saturn and is retro so very karmic....Would you say you often feel lost with words like you often feel you don't know what to say or lack confidence in self expression or like you perhaps feel not heard and other more domineering types take over conversations and your voice gets lost in the shuffle?Yeah it's conjunct my MC yet the description has never really fit. Also squares Asc and Pluto. Either my words come out to complicated, intense, not loud enough, or I sense that people feel slightly uncomfortable or whatever after listening to me. Small talk bores me and leaves my brain blank with nothing to contribute most of the time. I want my words to have an impact on others which is what the MC conjunction is all about. I'd be happiest if I had people who wanted to converse about crazy **** all the time, not about the movie they saw last week or new starbucks drink...The majority of people I work with have Gemini placements or strong aspects to mercury. The experience has showed me a lot about my relating to others though. Ihave to let loose and unleash the heavy load sometimes and not have others get any of tht weight if they arent asking for it. Every once in a while people come into my life and our communication is smooth like butter so Im at least grateful for thathypatia238 quote:Originally posted by mamawolf: Yeah it's conjunct my MC yet the description has never really fit. Also squares Asc and Pluto. Either my words come out to complicated, intense, not loud enough, or I sense that people feel slightly uncomfortable or whatever after listening to me. Small talk bores me and leaves my brain blank with nothing to contribute most of the time. I want my words to have an impact on others which is what the MC conjunction is all about. I'd be happiest if I had people who wanted to converse about crazy **** all the time, not about the movie they saw last week or new starbucks drink...The majority of people I work with have Gemini placements or strong aspects to mercury. The experience has showed me a lot about my relating to others though. Every once in a while people come into my life and our communication is smooth like butter.yeah not a huge fan of small talk either here; I have mercury paralled pluto and my sun which is ruled by mercury conjuncts my MC. The 'not loud enough' I think is the square to Nephele and the too intense I think is the square to pluto and the too complicated perhaps is the square to the AC.hypatia238 quote:Originally posted by Faith:Used Seimei's links above to "rescue" some subforums. Thanks, Seimei. hypatia, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have Nephele at 14 Cancer completing a cardinal grand cross with my sun, Pluto, and Jupiter. I see it's transiting exactly on my Saturn today.Well I got a lot done and for once the cloud seemed gone. Glad to hear it! And thanks for input. A grand cross huh?? What does Pluto, Jupiter and Sun rule in your chart??Add:Actually Dec 15 was such a weird day that felt so trippy and floaty like I was for real in a dream that I was concerned for the first time ever about driving. Transit northnode and transit Nephele were conjunct in Virgo at 26d squaring exact my Neptune opposite Schrodinger. I think that explains how I felt that day throughout the day like I was in a dream but I wasn't, foggy and floaty, I remember enjoying it though that day and the sensations but long term it would problematic.hypatia238 quote:Originally posted by Seimei: Yeah I just fond my way here from one of my old bookmarks,lol. Yes the folder tree missing page is a PITA.HERE IS A LINK HYPATIA http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=top ics&forum=Asteroid+Astrology&number=28 I just made a new book mark for Astrology 2.0 properly labeled so I can get around. here is one for Astral Realms http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&f orum=Astral+Realms&number=15 Lindaland Central 2.0 http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action= topics&forum=Lindaland+Central+2.0&number=25 all I have Here I got you link for interpersonal section: http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Interpersonal+Astrology&number=35 Thanks again.DopGangHa! Mine makes no aspects whatsoever. It's seriously in a dead zone. FaithHi hypatia quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:What does Pluto, Jupiter and Sun rule in your chart??I still don't remember my house cusps exactly, but I think:Cap sun rules the 6HAries Jupiter rules 5HLibra Pluto...hmmm...doesn't rule a house quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:Actually Dec 15 was such a weird day that felt so trippy and floaty like I was for real in a dream that I was concerned for the first time ever about driving. Transit northnode and transit Nephele were conjunct in Virgo at 26d squaring exact my Neptune opposite Schrodinger. I think that explains how I felt that day throughout the day like I was in a dream but I wasn't, foggy and floaty, I remember enjoying it though that day and the sensations but long term it would problematic. Wow! Interesting. I wonder if I've ever been like that..I'm often lost in thought to the point where my state matches self-hypnosis a bit.My daughter calls it a "computer coma" if I'm focused on something on the computer and don't respond when she talks to me. I honestly didn't fully register that she spoke. Sun-Jupiter-Pluto is really intense; add Nephele and it makes sense that I would zone out when I'm concentrating on one thing...also when I'm preoccupied and seem to be floating away, often I'm "wafting" towards plans with practical or creative value. RandallI tested the move function on a synastry thread here that had no posts (low risk of loss), and it worked. So, I'm going to move this on over to Asteroid Astrology.
I would say that November and December felt a bit like a cloud was following me around, making feel me disoriented and lost affecting my motivation and giving a strong desire to isolate.
Early November Nephele was right on my Mercury Retro and in the course of the following two months it conjuncted my mercury, then squared my nodes, then opposed my moon, then squared my AC/DC and now is on my SUN separating.
So I noticed someone started a thread last month about feeling foggy and many people replied to it so I am wondering if Nephele played a role in this via transit. It seems to have for me... I feel that when it aspected my angles and nodes is when it affected me the most.
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With asteroid Nephele in aspect within the natal chart, you struggle to find your sense of identity. Personal success is a challenge as you lack confidence in your own abilities and define yourself by the people in your surroundings.
You can find when natal Nephele is in aspect that you are surrounded by competitive or dominating others. Here, you lose yourself, and are dwarfed by the attention needs of the personalities around you.
This could be the classic placement of the child or sibling who forever lives in the shadow of the more successful family member. One could also imagine that those individuals who attempt to emulate their favourite celebrities, either as a career choice, or through plastic surgery, would have natal aspects to Nephele.
In transit, asteroid Nephele no doubt indicates times when you are being used as a pawn in others people’s games. Jealousy would feature strongly, as would relationship dramatics. Affairs and isolation could figure, whilst you can find in general that your efforts are completed ignored and the attention that you seek is given elsewhere.
In transit though, aspects by Nephele can be just what is needed to re-evaluate intentions and move away from situations where your attachment is for external approval or attention only.
Possible keywords: sense of identity, pawn in others games, desire for approval of others, attention seeking, jealousy, relationship manipulation, loss of identity, challenge to be seen above the talents of a family member, desire to be recognized as an individual, miserable until sense of identity is found. http://astrologyclub.org/asteroid-nephele/
Nephele sextiles my Venus in the 8th which inconjuncts my Moon so I have a YOD with it and my moon squares my nodes. Futher moon opposes mercury retro which rules my 7th so moon opposite mercury is my skipped step and that Nephele Yod gives further clues to my skipped step.
What a mess!
Another client of mine but much younger and does well in school has Venus-Dejanira-Nephele-Sun stellium squaring her Nodes; Nephele squares exact her nodes. She is communicative with her immediate family such as her parents and siblings but with the outside world and extended family her voice gets lost and she is overwhelmed with extreme shyness often having difficulty answering simple questions and always speaking extremely low with no projection or passion; I often have to ask her to adjust her volume so I can hear her response, is like she does not have a voice, she also has eros square echo. She has 3 siblings and all 3 are very outspoken, social and expressive and appear to feel very comfortable in their own skin.
Interesting that her mercury is on my northnode in gemini squaring exact my own Mercury-Smiley by 0d00 and my Venus conjuncts exact her Southnode.
quote:Originally posted by mirage29:Hi Hypatia, Did you mean to post this in Astrology 2.0 Forum... instead of Asteroid Astrology? (Just asking) ...
Yes bc the forum is not working so I posted it here for now. When the site is back up it should be transferred to Asteroids.
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238: Yes bc the forum is not working so I posted it here for now. When the site is back up it should be transferred to Asteroids.
Yeah I just fond my way here from one of my old bookmarks,lol. Yes the folder tree missing page is a PITA.HERE IS A LINK HYPATIA http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Asteroid+Astrology&number=28
I just made a new book mark for Astrology 2.0 properly labeled so I can get around.
here is one for Astral Realms http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Astral+Realms&number=15 Lindaland Central 2.0 http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Lindaland+Central+2.0&number=25
all I have
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quote:Originally posted by Seimei: Yeah I just fond my way here from one of my old bookmarks,lol. Yes the folder tree missing page is a PITA.HERE IS A LINK HYPATIA http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=top ics&forum=Asteroid+Astrology&number=28 I just made a new book mark for Astrology 2.0 properly labeled so I can get around. here is one for Astral Realms http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&f orum=Astral+Realms&number=15 Lindaland Central 2.0 http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action= topics&forum=Lindaland+Central+2.0&number=25 all I have
here is one for Astral Realms http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&f orum=Astral+Realms&number=15 Lindaland Central 2.0 http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action= topics&forum=Lindaland+Central+2.0&number=25
I am soo happy to you see here! Missed you.
You are always so helpful, thank you for the links.
quote:Originally posted by mamawolf:Just another square to add to my mercury. My poor mercury
Welcome to the club...
My mercury is my skipped step meaning it squares my nodes and it opposes my moon, semisquares my saturn and is retro so very karmic....
Would you say you often feel lost with words like you often feel you don't know what to say or lack confidence in self expression or like you perhaps feel not heard and other more domineering types take over conversations and your voice gets lost in the shuffle?
hypatia, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have Nephele at 14 Cancer completing a cardinal grand cross with my sun, Pluto, and Jupiter.
I see it's transiting exactly on my Saturn today.
Well I got a lot done and for once the cloud seemed gone.
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238: Welcome to the club...My mercury is my skipped step meaning it squares my nodes and it opposes my moon, semisquares my saturn and is retro so very karmic....Would you say you often feel lost with words like you often feel you don't know what to say or lack confidence in self expression or like you perhaps feel not heard and other more domineering types take over conversations and your voice gets lost in the shuffle?
Yeah it's conjunct my MC yet the description has never really fit. Also squares Asc and Pluto. Either my words come out to complicated, intense, not loud enough, or I sense that people feel slightly uncomfortable or whatever after listening to me.
Small talk bores me and leaves my brain blank with nothing to contribute most of the time. I want my words to have an impact on others which is what the MC conjunction is all about. I'd be happiest if I had people who wanted to converse about crazy **** all the time, not about the movie they saw last week or new starbucks drink...
The majority of people I work with have Gemini placements or strong aspects to mercury. The experience has showed me a lot about my relating to others though. Ihave to let loose and unleash the heavy load sometimes and not have others get any of tht weight if they arent asking for it.
Every once in a while people come into my life and our communication is smooth like butter so Im at least grateful for that
quote:Originally posted by mamawolf: Yeah it's conjunct my MC yet the description has never really fit. Also squares Asc and Pluto. Either my words come out to complicated, intense, not loud enough, or I sense that people feel slightly uncomfortable or whatever after listening to me. Small talk bores me and leaves my brain blank with nothing to contribute most of the time. I want my words to have an impact on others which is what the MC conjunction is all about. I'd be happiest if I had people who wanted to converse about crazy **** all the time, not about the movie they saw last week or new starbucks drink...The majority of people I work with have Gemini placements or strong aspects to mercury. The experience has showed me a lot about my relating to others though. Every once in a while people come into my life and our communication is smooth like butter.
The majority of people I work with have Gemini placements or strong aspects to mercury. The experience has showed me a lot about my relating to others though. Every once in a while people come into my life and our communication is smooth like butter.
yeah not a huge fan of small talk either here; I have mercury paralled pluto and my sun which is ruled by mercury conjuncts my MC.
The 'not loud enough' I think is the square to Nephele and the too intense I think is the square to pluto and the too complicated perhaps is the square to the AC.
quote:Originally posted by Faith:Used Seimei's links above to "rescue" some subforums. Thanks, Seimei. hypatia, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have Nephele at 14 Cancer completing a cardinal grand cross with my sun, Pluto, and Jupiter. I see it's transiting exactly on my Saturn today.Well I got a lot done and for once the cloud seemed gone.
Glad to hear it! And thanks for input. A grand cross huh?? What does Pluto, Jupiter and Sun rule in your chart??
Add:Actually Dec 15 was such a weird day that felt so trippy and floaty like I was for real in a dream that I was concerned for the first time ever about driving. Transit northnode and transit Nephele were conjunct in Virgo at 26d squaring exact my Neptune opposite Schrodinger. I think that explains how I felt that day throughout the day like I was in a dream but I wasn't, foggy and floaty, I remember enjoying it though that day and the sensations but long term it would problematic.
Here I got you link for interpersonal section: http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Interpersonal+Astrology&number=35
Thanks again.
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:What does Pluto, Jupiter and Sun rule in your chart??
I still don't remember my house cusps exactly, but I think:
Cap sun rules the 6HAries Jupiter rules 5HLibra Pluto...hmmm...doesn't rule a house
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:Actually Dec 15 was such a weird day that felt so trippy and floaty like I was for real in a dream that I was concerned for the first time ever about driving. Transit northnode and transit Nephele were conjunct in Virgo at 26d squaring exact my Neptune opposite Schrodinger. I think that explains how I felt that day throughout the day like I was in a dream but I wasn't, foggy and floaty, I remember enjoying it though that day and the sensations but long term it would problematic.
Wow! Interesting. I wonder if I've ever been like that..
I'm often lost in thought to the point where my state matches self-hypnosis a bit.
My daughter calls it a "computer coma" if I'm focused on something on the computer and don't respond when she talks to me. I honestly didn't fully register that she spoke. Sun-Jupiter-Pluto is really intense; add Nephele and it makes sense that I would zone out when I'm concentrating on one thing...also when I'm preoccupied and seem to be floating away, often I'm "wafting" towards plans with practical or creative value.
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