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T O P I C R E V I E WEverlongI'm just wondering, what planetary aspects/positions would indicate that someone's a very good liar?------------------"Out of your depth or not, it's up to you whether you sink or swim."MotherkonfessorWell, I did just read in the board on Singletons that someone with a singleton Neptune can be very good at "conning" people.astro junkieOut of my experiences, I'd say that it's almost impossible to answer unless you look really closely at each person's chart in detail.You could be with the "perfect friend" for years, only to realize that you've been conned. Signs that are usually known for honesty can have a weird little aspect or house thing which sends them over the edge.I'm thinking, is it better to know the OBVIOUS liars? Or to know the NOT SO obvious liars...Man... I wish it was easy...Maybe someone else can relate... .gloria------------------it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness...passionfruit3000lying? definately mercury in aspect to neptune and also an afflicted mercury can indicate a person who's good at swindling with words.starflowereegad!! I have Merc square Neptune.I dont make a habit of lying. I lie in the way most other people lie - in order to save hurting anothers feelings and such like.astro junkieI have Mercury Conj Neptune -I've had a natural ability to word things magically. It helps with Libra Sun, and Mercury in Scorpio.So, as you all know... I'm a writer...As for manipulating, lying, conning, etc. I'm definately very good at it, but have never done it to any negative extreme. I'm not a thief, liar, cheater... I can't even cheat playing Monopoly. The thought of it makes me Cancer Moon give me a back belly ache.It's sort of like a utility knife thing. You can pull out mini scissors, a nail file, a screw driver, or a knife. It's not the tool itself, but how you use it.I'm extremely responsible with it, although, it HAS gotten me into certain troubles in relationships, such as my domestic abuse history, when the insecure jealous a-hole someone suspects I'm lying to him about eye some other guy.It's just forced me to conduct myself as clearly as possible. To not go walking around with the utility knife in plain view. Just pull it out when needed. .gloria------------------it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness...MotherkonfessorHehehehheI have Mercury square Neptune, Neptune in the 1st house (in SAG!!! does that mean I am a tactless liar?? LOL) Sun square Neptune. and Neptune is a singleton.Add to that Moon in Libra, which according to definition, I should be a manipulating, scheming man-eater......NOPE! none of the above. I can't stand liars, I can't stand people who play games, and the only thing I lie about is how much I sleep on a daily basis. I loooooove to sleep, and I feel like there is something wrong with it, like I am lazy, so whenever anyone calls me at 3 in the afternoon and asks if I was still sleeping, I say no.I also cannot manipulate men to do my bidding. I bet I could get away with lying if I wanted to-couldn't anyone?- but maybe thats why I had a Saggie mom. People lie to protect themselves, to not feel foolish, to cover up mistakes. My mom always taught me that I could make mistakes, do bad things, but to NEVER lie about it. (Sags and Jupiter ruled aspects want honesty, and openness, right?) Thats the one thing I would never be forgiven for, so I learned to just not do it.Neat sword wielding pirate, .gloria- that's cute........pidauaMK, LOL...that's funny, I am the same way regarding sleep. I mean, I really love to sleep (I need 8 hours if I can get it). If someone calls me in the afternoon and I am napping, I won't admit it either. Even if it's early in the am I say I'm awake LOL...I like to flirt with guys, but I cannot imagine using them to buy me things or meals..etc.. to me that karma will come back and bite ya in the butt!!! Better to just be open -although sometimes when they try to hit on me, I will just deflect it rather than come out and say "ewwwwwwwwwww, you are NOT my type". I will eventually, but I just hate hurting someones feelings. My father is a retired Narcotics agent that had to lie for his job (he made the best use out of his Mars square Neptune). He did NOT tolerate any lying from my brother and I. Both he and mom had a thing about being open, honest and admitting our mistakes. I am glad they did sthenriYep, I was going to say Moon in Libra;>They have bendable boundaries.Men can make me want to lie sometimes, if they are prying a truth out of me. I feel it's wrong to ask someone to lie, just as wrong as lying yourself. There is lying in writing, lying to the public, lying to yourself, lying to your doctor, lying to your mother.Pisces men can be very sticky with the truth, and Pisces moons. And for someone reason can also be devoted to other people's truths. I once knew a minister's son who was a Pisces with Venus in Aries, and was devoted to keeping me "pure" he was very full of vices himself, but followed me around watching me and protecting me by asking me all sorts of questions. He lied to everyone to find out where I was going and asked me to lie to him if I ever got a boyfriend.Lying is weird, it can change your reality.I had to move to get away from the Pisces. He lives in Springfield MA now.NatashaTaurus 6/th Opposite Neptune/Scorpio/12thMotherkonfessorNatasha....I run screaming from Pisces men too. I don't know what it is, but they rub me the wrong way. And yes, I have noticed as you said- they are kind of funny about the truth. The one I knew "too well" was also a preacher's son. How odd.MKAenI have Neptune in 3rd. (In addition to Mars, Venus & Jupiter). I've noticed that I have to be really careful and clear with my words and I can't leave any blanks to be filled by the receiver. I've also had weird experiences when someone has attacked me with words. I have just opened my mouth and said something that can kill. It always have had something to do with information I shouldn't have and consciously didn't know I had. I assume it is Merc square Pluto (ruler of 3rd) thing? cristinamehey, gloria, how cool! I have Neptune conj Mercury too how does it work for you? I have good moments and bad ones. times when I'm enchanting people with my story telling, when words just come to me (I was a great fairy story teller as a kid), some other times I just CAN"T find the words I need. so that's when people don't get what I'm trying to say...too many blanks, I guess...this Mercury is loosely opposing Jupiter (in mutual reception!) and I do tend to go a bit... loose for an artistic impression, if you know what I mean... sometimes, I find myself saying something false just cos it "sounds better" and it's more impressive to listen to (I have the public in mind, see?). but I'm talking INNOCENT details, nothing big I never lie about important things cos my mind is very fuzzy and I can't remember the details if it kills me...always told my parents the truth even if I was punished afterwards. csthenriMK, I know preachers sons, can be attractive in a clean wholesome kind of way too. It seems strange, there must be an attraction. I know I am attracted sometimes to that type, but I know it's an outer shell and more and more I look at the inside of a person first. That way I am not taken in. Anyone can look good, and being a Taurus I am too swayed by looks-not a good thing for me.Maybe your Libra moon is similar?Aen, I have Mercury square Jupiter, and Jupiter square Mars so I do rub people the wrong way easily. But it's guilt I think, about what's said. Remember what's said is said, and do not feel too guilty about it, because words do not kill. (I sometimes am very hurt by words myself so I have remember that)NatashaHarpyrhey hey hey.. Another Mercury conjunct Neptune here. (In Sag with Mars included in the mix)When I was an adolescent, I discovered that I was a marvelous liar. I enjoyed embellishing stories and getting the "ooos" and "ahhhs" from my audience. I didn't lie about anything major.. just little details here and there. It progressed to the point of me becoming a rebelious teenager that was pretty good at lying to her parents about where she'd been. At some point though, I'd just had enough. It started with my mother (another Scorp moon like me) who began tearing through my lies and getting on my case. So I just decided it was easier to be honest with her and deal with the repercussions. I never looked back.Then.. around the same time, I discovered that my best friends and my boyfriend had been lying to me about some pretty serious stuff and it was devastating to me. They had been lying to "protect" my feelings but it turned out being even more hurtful in the end.. the lying.From then on I vowed brutal honesty in all my dealings. I feel much better about myself, as this is being true to my Sag sun which values honesty above all else.Every now and then I catch my Scorp moon glossing stuff over for people for the sake of their feelings and it bugs me. But I think that's also a social programming thing.. most people do the little white lie thing. Often if you don't, you get branded a jerk. Really it's all in the delivery.You could say "that color makes you look like death on two legs" or.."I think that red jacket would suit your coloring much better than the green.." astro junkieCristi -Well as far that the Neptune Conj Neptune in and of itself, it's just like I said. And it funny how others have said they too were stopped from lying early on. I remember the very moment I decided to never lie again, and I was reeely young. But I'm glad it happened that way, if not we'd by psychotic liars... what do they call that?Anyways, unfortunately it doesn't stop there for me in terms of communicating. I've got a few more challenges, and a challenging childhood in terms of free communication. But I've been writing since I was 8 years old. .gloriacristinamewow, Harpyr Scorpio Moon me too you and I must be born around the same time; gloria too...the Saggitarius Merc-Neptune children lol"Sagittarius is the consummate truth-seeker, and regards honesty as a primary moral imperative, failure to honour which by anyone results in that person fundamentally forfeiting the Sagittarian's respect." The Mercury-Neptune trines my Mars, and conj my MC. I guess I could "lie" for a living, huh? not politics, though: I can't cheat to save my life. astro junkieCristi -I'm a Neptune in Scorpio, Pluto in Virgo type..My generation is cutting through B.S. people - transformation - ruling death & rebirth; and we were the ones who started placing attention on environment and health. .gloriacristiname showoff
------------------"Out of your depth or not, it's up to you whether you sink or swim."
You could be with the "perfect friend" for years, only to realize that you've been conned. Signs that are usually known for honesty can have a weird little aspect or house thing which sends them over the edge.
I'm thinking, is it better to know the OBVIOUS liars? Or to know the NOT SO obvious liars...
Man... I wish it was easy...
Maybe someone else can relate...
.gloria
------------------it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness...
I dont make a habit of lying. I lie in the way most other people lie - in order to save hurting anothers feelings and such like.
I've had a natural ability to word things magically. It helps with Libra Sun, and Mercury in Scorpio.
So, as you all know... I'm a writer...
As for manipulating, lying, conning, etc. I'm definately very good at it, but have never done it to any negative extreme. I'm not a thief, liar, cheater... I can't even cheat playing Monopoly. The thought of it makes me Cancer Moon give me a back belly ache.
It's sort of like a utility knife thing. You can pull out mini scissors, a nail file, a screw driver, or a knife. It's not the tool itself, but how you use it.
I'm extremely responsible with it, although, it HAS gotten me into certain troubles in relationships, such as my domestic abuse history, when the insecure jealous a-hole someone suspects I'm lying to him about eye some other guy.
It's just forced me to conduct myself as clearly as possible. To not go walking around with the utility knife in plain view. Just pull it out when needed.
I have Mercury square Neptune, Neptune in the 1st house (in SAG!!! does that mean I am a tactless liar?? LOL) Sun square Neptune. and Neptune is a singleton.
Add to that Moon in Libra, which according to definition, I should be a manipulating, scheming man-eater......
NOPE! none of the above. I can't stand liars, I can't stand people who play games, and the only thing I lie about is how much I sleep on a daily basis. I loooooove to sleep, and I feel like there is something wrong with it, like I am lazy, so whenever anyone calls me at 3 in the afternoon and asks if I was still sleeping, I say no.
I also cannot manipulate men to do my bidding. I bet I could get away with lying if I wanted to-couldn't anyone?- but maybe thats why I had a Saggie mom. People lie to protect themselves, to not feel foolish, to cover up mistakes. My mom always taught me that I could make mistakes, do bad things, but to NEVER lie about it. (Sags and Jupiter ruled aspects want honesty, and openness, right?) Thats the one thing I would never be forgiven for, so I learned to just not do it.
Neat sword wielding pirate, .gloria- that's cute........
LOL...that's funny, I am the same way regarding sleep. I mean, I really love to sleep (I need 8 hours if I can get it). If someone calls me in the afternoon and I am napping, I won't admit it either. Even if it's early in the am I say I'm awake LOL...
I like to flirt with guys, but I cannot imagine using them to buy me things or meals..etc.. to me that karma will come back and bite ya in the butt!!! Better to just be open -although sometimes when they try to hit on me, I will just deflect it rather than come out and say "ewwwwwwwwwww, you are NOT my type". I will eventually, but I just hate hurting someones feelings.
My father is a retired Narcotics agent that had to lie for his job (he made the best use out of his Mars square Neptune). He did NOT tolerate any lying from my brother and I. Both he and mom had a thing about being open, honest and admitting our mistakes. I am glad they did
Men can make me want to lie sometimes, if they are prying a truth out of me. I feel it's wrong to ask someone to lie, just as wrong as lying yourself. There is lying in writing, lying to the public, lying to yourself, lying to your doctor, lying to your mother.
Pisces men can be very sticky with the truth, and Pisces moons. And for someone reason can also be devoted to other people's truths. I once knew a minister's son who was a Pisces with Venus in Aries, and was devoted to keeping me "pure" he was very full of vices himself, but followed me around watching me and protecting me by asking me all sorts of questions. He lied to everyone to find out where I was going and asked me to lie to him if I ever got a boyfriend.
Lying is weird, it can change your reality.I had to move to get away from the Pisces. He lives in Springfield MA now.
NatashaTaurus 6/th Opposite Neptune/Scorpio/12th
I run screaming from Pisces men too. I don't know what it is, but they rub me the wrong way. And yes, I have noticed as you said- they are kind of funny about the truth. The one I knew "too well" was also a preacher's son. How odd.
MK
I've also had weird experiences when someone has attacked me with words. I have just opened my mouth and said something that can kill. It always have had something to do with information I shouldn't have and consciously didn't know I had. I assume it is Merc square Pluto (ruler of 3rd) thing?
I have good moments and bad ones. times when I'm enchanting people with my story telling, when words just come to me (I was a great fairy story teller as a kid), some other times I just CAN"T find the words I need.
so that's when people don't get what I'm trying to say...too many blanks, I guess...
this Mercury is loosely opposing Jupiter (in mutual reception!) and I do tend to go a bit... loose for an artistic impression, if you know what I mean... sometimes, I find myself saying something false just cos it "sounds better" and it's more impressive to listen to (I have the public in mind, see?).
but I'm talking INNOCENT details, nothing big I never lie about important things cos my mind is very fuzzy and I can't remember the details if it kills me...always told my parents the truth even if I was punished afterwards.
c
Aen, I have Mercury square Jupiter, and Jupiter square Mars so I do rub people the wrong way easily. But it's guilt I think, about what's said. Remember what's said is said, and do not feel too guilty about it, because words do not kill. (I sometimes am very hurt by words myself so I have remember that)
Natasha
From then on I vowed brutal honesty in all my dealings. I feel much better about myself, as this is being true to my Sag sun which values honesty above all else.Every now and then I catch my Scorp moon glossing stuff over for people for the sake of their feelings and it bugs me. But I think that's also a social programming thing.. most people do the little white lie thing. Often if you don't, you get branded a jerk. Really it's all in the delivery.You could say "that color makes you look like death on two legs" or.."I think that red jacket would suit your coloring much better than the green.."
Well as far that the Neptune Conj Neptune in and of itself, it's just like I said. And it funny how others have said they too were stopped from lying early on. I remember the very moment I decided to never lie again, and I was reeely young. But I'm glad it happened that way, if not we'd by psychotic liars... what do they call that?
Anyways, unfortunately it doesn't stop there for me in terms of communicating. I've got a few more challenges, and a challenging childhood in terms of free communication. But I've been writing since I was 8 years old.
the Saggitarius Merc-Neptune children lol
"Sagittarius is the consummate truth-seeker, and regards honesty as a primary moral imperative, failure to honour which by anyone results in that person fundamentally forfeiting the Sagittarian's respect."
The Mercury-Neptune trines my Mars, and conj my MC. I guess I could "lie" for a living, huh? not politics, though: I can't cheat to save my life.
I'm a Neptune in Scorpio, Pluto in Virgo type..
My generation is cutting through B.S. people - transformation - ruling death & rebirth; and we were the ones who started placing attention on environment and health.
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