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T O P I C R E V I E Wpuppyblewi haven't been on this board in months and it's because i've been so upset over this person not being in my life anymore. we were planning to get married and some reallly stupid stuff happened and we broke up. i was under the impression it was temporary, but when we went to get back together, he said he needs to be alone and doesn't want to be in a relationship and won't tell me why and basially won't say anything except i just want to be alone! all his friends are baffled, as am i. he suffers from depression and i don't know if it's that or this scorp. influence. i know he loves me and he has said he wants no one else. i've been looking at his chart to see what's up. this is what i found...in his progressed chart he has sun in scorp. at 5. he has merc. in scorp at 3 in his natal.in his progressed chart he has moon in scorp. at 24. in his natal chart he has venus in scorp at 26 and uranus in scorp. at 27. i've been using a 3 degree/orb when trying to see when this stuff will hit him. is this right? are these influences affecting him right now and what are the meaning of them? i get the scorp. influence as not wanting to talk. the whole progressed moon in scorp. conjunct venus and uranus is scaring me. i'm just waiting for this big blow up. i want us to get back together and get through this bad time. now, it seems as though this uranus influence will make him want to be more free and alone as ever? could it possibly work the opposite way and have the unpredictable uranus influence work in my favor, with him changing his mind and wanting to get back together, because that would be about as crazy as it could get right now. also, how soon will these influences take place. i don't know how long it takes the moon to move a degree. can anyone tell me? will it be around for two months or so or shorter or longer? i have no clue....any help would be appreciated. my natal moon and venus are in virgo and pisces at 29, so i thought that might work in my favor to understand him when this happens, since they are sextile and trine at a later degree as well. will it?puppyblewi thought i'd add this as well, considering i feel strongly that saturn is doing a number on him...he has his natal sun EXACTLY conjuct his saturn in libra at 12. his moon is in cappy at 11, and his ascendent is in cancer at 11. ugh... i also have my ascend. in cappy and my moon progressed in cacer at the moment. damn stupid saturn! i've been with this boy forever and love him more than i've ever loved another human being - you just have no idea! we have had hard times before, and he ALWAYS was more than willing and hopefull to work things out. we always work things out. now he is just all out of hope. it's horrible to see. i've been doing everything i can.. and we are talking a little bit...it's just like - if anyone can give me any advice as to when these stinking influences will be over... and should i keep pursuing him and doing things for him (which he says doesn't bother him, but he still only wants friends right now - it's like he can't even see the future), or should i give him time alone and hope that helps? ahhh...... please... i'll wait until saturn moves on in july.. i'll wait the rest of my life for him... but, any hope might be helpful! puppyblewtoday a truck rolled by me on the highway with the italian? name Librandi on it.Libra a[nd] i. i miss him. we've been emailing each other everyday this week, so that is an improvement... but still.. i want to be alone. sthenriSounds like a lack of desire right now, due to depression. He will come out of it eventually but it helps you if you have faith in yourself, that is believing that you will be patient and wait.If you believe that, he will too.Have you looked at your progressed moon, and house? And his? I can tell you one thing, if his moon is in progressed scorpio, 7th house, 8th house, libra, or 9th house, then sexuality and relating will be big on his mind and he won't stay away. Maybe it's in the 10th?Do not ever stop looking at your progressed chart, it's very accurate. Last time most of my planets were in the 9th progressed, I fell in love three times (and this never happens to me), it's a very accurate gauge of emotions and needs.Add to that long term transits, pluto, mars, and neptune transits and you have a picture of a person's needs and wants. Since your life is about your needs and wants, look at your chart first. Look at the progressions, moon in the 7th would be relationship obsessed. Moon in the 8th would be about sexuality, moon in the 9th is love, moon in the 10th career, moon in pisces addictions and breaking it off with toxic people..I have noticed most breaks occur with water houses/planets due to moodiness in others or themselves..What's your take since you have the data?This info is very helpful, as right now mine is in Libra/10th house and so appearance is very much a focus. Once I realized this I toned down my insecurity a bit, knowing that the moon will be moving into Scorpio soon. Plus I can focus on being seen in other ways at work. Instantly the idea appealed to me and I felt less insecure physically. Meditate on your moon since these are the motivations.NatashaAtlantic MystPuppy Blew you are in the same position as me! You took the words right out of my mouth.------------------~*~ Cusp: Gemini/Cancer, Cancer rising, Taurus moon ~*~Let's go...talktomeSorry puppyblew I truly hope things work out for you both soon.x x xpuppyblewjust wrote a very long reply, and it didn't send. i'll add this for now:my progressed moon is in cancer @28 in my 6th house. his is in scorp. @ 24 in his 5th, along with uranus and merc. (his natal uranus, merc. and venus are in scorp.)his progressed moon in scorp. is coming up on his natal venus in scorp. @ 26 and his natal uranus @ 27. i'm going to write more again later... i can't believe everything i wrote didn't send. grrr....things really aren't going well and haven't been. puppyblewi just saw that his progressed. asce. is at 0 degrees leo today. i just read something today that says that when your 1st or 7th house moves to o degree or 29 degree, something from your life will be left behind. i'm guessing that something from his life is me. is there anything i can do?did anyone else leave someone behind when there progressed ascen. moved in the position?also - how long does it take for the ascent. cusp to move a degree? is is a year, or am i wrong?how do you figure out how long it takes a planet to move a degree in a chart? i'm lost. how long does it take a progressed moon to move a degree?can you tell i just started learning about the progressed chart? Heart--Shaped Crosspuppyblew -Sorry to hear about the loss.I'd dont want to give you too much to think about, and others here sure know more about this stuff than I do, so I'll let them do the talking. Hang in there. puppyblew*******WARNING - VERY LONG************8thanks for you kind words, heart shaped STEVE! (yes, i saw your plea for new name ideas, and you know that's the one!)acutally, it is not a recent loss. this is the same person i wrote that big, long, email about in soul unions back in nov. the person and i broke up at the end of august. we did not talk in sep. or much of october, and i suggested we talk in early nov. we broke up because of some heavy issues involving money and jobs and stupid crap that wouldn't have even been important if the most random negative events in the world wouldn't have all happened at once. it was honestly like the universe was out to get us!so, i left off in soul unions when i was happy that he had agreed to talk to me about what had happened... well, that talk went horribly. it was kind of like this - me talking about what happened and how i was angry and needed time to get that out and had, and have a totally differant perspective now and am ready now to work thins out. him - i want to be alone. me - crying for 2+ hours. him - not even looking at me. and that is pretty much what has been going on since then. he said a few days later that he was semi-thinking about us, but really just felt like he needed to be alone right now. then, we keep talking and one night online i get "i don't love you anymore" i literally threw up. and then threw up the next day. i got down to 100 pounds - now granted i'm petite, but that was about 7 pounds i lost... i was soooo upset... i couldn't even get online, let alone come here.since then, i have been trying to talk to him and find out what is wrong. i know something is really wrong - he just up and left all his things and moved in with his friend and wouldn't tell me where or what the phone number was or anything. i think he was really depressed. i kept trying to let him know how much i love him - (my progressed venus is in aries and man!) i did anything you can think of - flowers, notes, suffed animals, EVERYTHING!!!he would accept my things, and even kept the stuffed animal beside his bed and one day i came over and saw it was moved and asked where and he told me, and he had moved it into the room where the computer was, so it was with him when he was online! everytime i would come over or talk to him, i would talk about how much i love him and we need to get back together and sometimes he would semi-agreee, but it was always "i just need to be alone right now" i would talk for hours and he would just be scilent and not look at me when i cried.all he will say is "i just need to be alone right now. i don't want a relationship right now. i don't feel "right" (although he can't explain what "right" is)it's like a robot - "i just need to be alone"i asked about perhaps in the future when he feels "better" (whatever that means) and he says he can't think that far ahead. i'll give an example :last time i saw him i talked for hours and got the same robot response w/ no explaination, so i sat on his lap to force him to at least LOOK at me, and said "look at me and tell me you don't love me" he was scilent and looked away after a few seconds and then tried to push me away. i continued to hug him and say "tell me what is wrong" he shoved me off. (he seems depressed to me - he doesn't smile, ran off, grew a beard, acts weird, can't stand being touched, etc. it's just not right and certainly not normal for him)he insits nothing is wrong.before i left i said "will you ever consider getting backtogether in the future?" he said "i just need to be alone" i asked two more times and got the same answer. i said "answer the question" and he said "i guess not" to which i said "so you will never ever think about it again?" and he said "i don't think so."i didn't talk to him for a week since then, and then emailed him. we talked everyday for 8 days straight. today was the first day he didn't write. his friend has said "i can be the first to tell you he does not hate you at all. He just isn't sure what he wants at the moment, but i'm sure he doesn't want to just shut you out of his life."i really have NO clue what to think. he won't talk! we tried being friends for awhile, because he says he just needs friends at this time. we hung out once and had plans to hang out again but he cancelled because he was "tired". i know he needs time, but he says "never again" then and won't even tell me his phone number... and this is offset by him emailing me and saying "thanks for the flowers, they're pretty." he says he can't hang out with me because it doesn't "feel right". again - whatever that means. sigh.... i'm lost. i've cried my heart out everyday for the past two months. literally - every day. i just can't comprehend how someone who you dated for over 4 years and were going to marry can say they don't love you at all and will never think about you again after two months of not talking! also, he does not even look at other girls. he wants NO one. i think he is just really, really hurt by the breakup and won't admit it and is afraid to get back with me because it failed before. anybody? anybody? thoughts? am i wasting my time? i mean, if someone can't even tell me their phone number i don't know if i can handle the "friend" crap. if you want to be my friend, which he does, but isn't comfortable with right now, then you want some sort of relationship with me so stop playing! geesh...i'll tie all this junk in with astrology next time i write. but, there is a brief (yes, i said brief!) summary of the emotional stuff going on. puppyblewok, so i've been looking at our charts some:i've found he has some interesting things going on. first, concerning transiting uranus is trining his progressed sun, and is close to trining his natal mer. and sextiling his progressed mars. continuing with this venus/uranus stuff... like i said before, his progressed moon is coming up on his venus and uranus (using a 3 degree orb.)he also has the transiting saturn squaring his natal mars, and will be smacking over his natal pluto and saturn once more when it turn direct. it is also conjuct his progressed venus in sag. (i don't know what this mean, because i'm not sure what this connection to each other is called? it's the 6/8th house one?)i'm not sure if the transiting saturn will catch up and trine his moon before it moves out of scorp.as for me.......and the whole venus/uranus thing..... my progressed moon is trining my natal venus and sextiling my natal moon. it is also trining his progressed uranus and is coming close to trining his natal venus and uranus (using a 3 degree orb on this one) and his moon is 4 degrees away from trining my progressed moon and natal venus. so....i'm not really sure to make of all of this.. i'm getting that alot is going on with his progressed moon and natal venus and uranus, which may be causing irratic feelings about love and possibly "on-off" commitment issues? does this sound right? like he wants his freedom at the moment? but also, all that progressed scorp. contacting natal scorp. in his chart is causing him to clam up and and be able to talk about things? this is what i'm getting anyways...as for my progressed moon trining my natal venus and trining his progressed uranus and coming with a one degree (trine) of his natal uranus and 2 degree (trine) of his natal venus and 4 degree (trine) of his progressed moon, i'm just wondering what this all means. i read that a progressed moon trine natal venus is ripe for falling in love, and we both have this happening in our charts (his will be with in a month or so) and add to this that our progressed moons are w/ in 4 degree (tine)of one another and my progressed moon is with in 2 degree (tine) of his natal venus, it just seems as if something is going to happen! and the funny thing is, it will all be coming together with in about one month, which would have been our 5 year anniversary!!!!!it also seems that if my progressed moon is trining his progressed uranus exact at the moment, that this must mean something. it would seem to me that if he needs freedom at the moment, i would be the one able to give it (emotionally) to him. in reality, i was very clingly lately and pushed him away BUT - my progressed moon just moved into the degree trining his progressed uranus and with in the almost exact day of that happening, i started to majorly give him space (sensing that whatever i was doing was backfiring - stinking progressed venus in aries turning me into a pursuing stalker!)so, i'm hoping all this will work out. i'm also read that progressed moon trine venus can bring about reconciliations, etc. which would be wonderful! my progressed moon will be moving into leo in less than a month, and i'm already feeling the uplifiting effect! no more saturn squaring my progressed moon! yeah!!!and his progressed moon will be moving from scorp. into sag. in a few months. i hope his depression, if that is what it is will be clearing up by then. and i also hope that the sag. moon will not make him want too much freedom! ahhh... so much stuff going on!but, yes, he emailed me again yesterday after that one day he did not, so it's all cool. i just wish it would be more personal also, sthenri:yes, his progressed moon is in scorp. but the whole time it has been in that, his sexuality has really waned. it's like he chose to take the scorp. ability to become celibate. i can't see his moon being progressed in this sign causing him to not be able to stay away long, unfortunately. also, i've never heard of the 9th house being the "love" house. please explain!??maybe this topic should be moved to "soul unions" i don't want to take up space on this board too much.if anyone has any musing about what i am seeing in our charts, feel free to add... EDIT****** if i did not mention the orb i used above, i am using a 0 degree orb. puppyblewon synchronicity:Least we forget what we already learnedIt comes with out saying with it we areBornRarely we know or canAnswer, it's fate!Not all of us are so enlightened to Date. NotI. (LIBRANDI) reference third post on thread.
i know he loves me and he has said he wants no one else. i've been looking at his chart to see what's up. this is what i found...
in his progressed chart he has sun in scorp. at 5. he has merc. in scorp at 3 in his natal.
in his progressed chart he has moon in scorp. at 24. in his natal chart he has venus in scorp at 26 and uranus in scorp. at 27.
i've been using a 3 degree/orb when trying to see when this stuff will hit him. is this right? are these influences affecting him right now and what are the meaning of them? i get the scorp. influence as not wanting to talk. the whole progressed moon in scorp. conjunct venus and uranus is scaring me. i'm just waiting for this big blow up. i want us to get back together and get through this bad time. now, it seems as though this uranus influence will make him want to be more free and alone as ever? could it possibly work the opposite way and have the unpredictable uranus influence work in my favor, with him changing his mind and wanting to get back together, because that would be about as crazy as it could get right now.
also, how soon will these influences take place. i don't know how long it takes the moon to move a degree. can anyone tell me? will it be around for two months or so or shorter or longer? i have no clue....
any help would be appreciated.
my natal moon and venus are in virgo and pisces at 29, so i thought that might work in my favor to understand him when this happens, since they are sextile and trine at a later degree as well. will it?
he has his natal sun EXACTLY conjuct his saturn in libra at 12. his moon is in cappy at 11, and his ascendent is in cancer at 11. ugh... i also have my ascend. in cappy and my moon progressed in cacer at the moment. damn stupid saturn! i've been with this boy forever and love him more than i've ever loved another human being - you just have no idea! we have had hard times before, and he ALWAYS was more than willing and hopefull to work things out. we always work things out. now he is just all out of hope. it's horrible to see. i've been doing everything i can.. and we are talking a little bit...it's just like - if anyone can give me any advice as to when these stinking influences will be over... and should i keep pursuing him and doing things for him (which he says doesn't bother him, but he still only wants friends right now - it's like he can't even see the future), or should i give him time alone and hope that helps?
ahhh...... please... i'll wait until saturn moves on in july.. i'll wait the rest of my life for him... but, any hope might be helpful!
Libra a[nd] i. i miss him.
we've been emailing each other everyday this week, so that is an improvement... but still.. i want to be alone.
If you believe that, he will too.
Have you looked at your progressed moon, and house? And his? I can tell you one thing, if his moon is in progressed scorpio, 7th house, 8th house, libra, or 9th house, then sexuality and relating will be big on his mind and he won't stay away. Maybe it's in the 10th?
Do not ever stop looking at your progressed chart, it's very accurate. Last time most of my planets were in the 9th progressed, I fell in love three times (and this never happens to me), it's a very accurate gauge of emotions and needs.
Add to that long term transits, pluto, mars, and neptune transits and you have a picture of a person's needs and wants. Since your life is about your needs and wants, look at your chart first. Look at the progressions, moon in the 7th would be relationship obsessed. Moon in the 8th would be about sexuality, moon in the 9th is love, moon in the 10th career, moon in pisces addictions and breaking it off with toxic people..I have noticed most breaks occur with water houses/planets due to moodiness in others or themselves..
What's your take since you have the data?
This info is very helpful, as right now mine is in Libra/10th house and so appearance is very much a focus. Once I realized this I toned down my insecurity a bit, knowing that the moon will be moving into Scorpio soon. Plus I can focus on being seen in other ways at work. Instantly the idea appealed to me and I felt less insecure physically. Meditate on your moon since these are the motivations.
Natasha
------------------~*~ Cusp: Gemini/Cancer, Cancer rising, Taurus moon ~*~
Let's go...
i'll add this for now:
my progressed moon is in cancer @28 in my 6th house.
his is in scorp. @ 24 in his 5th, along with uranus and merc. (his natal uranus, merc. and venus are in scorp.)his progressed moon in scorp. is coming up on his natal venus in scorp. @ 26 and his natal uranus @ 27.
i'm going to write more again later... i can't believe everything i wrote didn't send. grrr....
things really aren't going well and haven't been.
also - how long does it take for the ascent. cusp to move a degree? is is a year, or am i wrong?
how do you figure out how long it takes a planet to move a degree in a chart? i'm lost. how long does it take a progressed moon to move a degree?
can you tell i just started learning about the progressed chart?
Sorry to hear about the loss.I'd dont want to give you too much to think about, and others here sure know more about this stuff than I do, so I'll let them do the talking.
Hang in there.
thanks for you kind words, heart shaped STEVE! (yes, i saw your plea for new name ideas, and you know that's the one!)
acutally, it is not a recent loss. this is the same person i wrote that big, long, email about in soul unions back in nov. the person and i broke up at the end of august. we did not talk in sep. or much of october, and i suggested we talk in early nov. we broke up because of some heavy issues involving money and jobs and stupid crap that wouldn't have even been important if the most random negative events in the world wouldn't have all happened at once. it was honestly like the universe was out to get us!so, i left off in soul unions when i was happy that he had agreed to talk to me about what had happened... well, that talk went horribly. it was kind of like this - me talking about what happened and how i was angry and needed time to get that out and had, and have a totally differant perspective now and am ready now to work thins out. him - i want to be alone. me - crying for 2+ hours. him - not even looking at me.
and that is pretty much what has been going on since then. he said a few days later that he was semi-thinking about us, but really just felt like he needed to be alone right now. then, we keep talking and one night online i get "i don't love you anymore" i literally threw up. and then threw up the next day. i got down to 100 pounds - now granted i'm petite, but that was about 7 pounds i lost... i was soooo upset... i couldn't even get online, let alone come here.
since then, i have been trying to talk to him and find out what is wrong. i know something is really wrong - he just up and left all his things and moved in with his friend and wouldn't tell me where or what the phone number was or anything. i think he was really depressed.
i kept trying to let him know how much i love him - (my progressed venus is in aries and man!) i did anything you can think of - flowers, notes, suffed animals, EVERYTHING!!!he would accept my things, and even kept the stuffed animal beside his bed and one day i came over and saw it was moved and asked where and he told me, and he had moved it into the room where the computer was, so it was with him when he was online!
everytime i would come over or talk to him, i would talk about how much i love him and we need to get back together and sometimes he would semi-agreee, but it was always "i just need to be alone right now" i would talk for hours and he would just be scilent and not look at me when i cried.
all he will say is "i just need to be alone right now. i don't want a relationship right now. i don't feel "right" (although he can't explain what "right" is)it's like a robot - "i just need to be alone"
i asked about perhaps in the future when he feels "better" (whatever that means) and he says he can't think that far ahead. i'll give an example :last time i saw him i talked for hours and got the same robot response w/ no explaination, so i sat on his lap to force him to at least LOOK at me, and said "look at me and tell me you don't love me" he was scilent and looked away after a few seconds and then tried to push me away. i continued to hug him and say "tell me what is wrong" he shoved me off. (he seems depressed to me - he doesn't smile, ran off, grew a beard, acts weird, can't stand being touched, etc. it's just not right and certainly not normal for him)he insits nothing is wrong.
before i left i said "will you ever consider getting backtogether in the future?" he said "i just need to be alone" i asked two more times and got the same answer. i said "answer the question" and he said "i guess not" to which i said "so you will never ever think about it again?" and he said "i don't think so."
i didn't talk to him for a week since then, and then emailed him. we talked everyday for 8 days straight. today was the first day he didn't write. his friend has said "i can be the first to tell you he does not hate you at all. He just isn't sure what he wants at the moment, but i'm sure he doesn't want to just shut you out of his life."
i really have NO clue what to think. he won't talk! we tried being friends for awhile, because he says he just needs friends at this time. we hung out once and had plans to hang out again but he cancelled because he was "tired". i know he needs time, but he says "never again" then and won't even tell me his phone number... and this is offset by him emailing me and saying "thanks for the flowers, they're pretty." he says he can't hang out with me because it doesn't "feel right". again - whatever that means. sigh....
i'm lost. i've cried my heart out everyday for the past two months. literally - every day.
i just can't comprehend how someone who you dated for over 4 years and were going to marry can say they don't love you at all and will never think about you again after two months of not talking! also, he does not even look at other girls. he wants NO one. i think he is just really, really hurt by the breakup and won't admit it and is afraid to get back with me because it failed before.
anybody? anybody? thoughts? am i wasting my time? i mean, if someone can't even tell me their phone number i don't know if i can handle the "friend" crap. if you want to be my friend, which he does, but isn't comfortable with right now, then you want some sort of relationship with me so stop playing! geesh...
i'll tie all this junk in with astrology next time i write. but, there is a brief (yes, i said brief!) summary of the emotional stuff going on.
i've found he has some interesting things going on. first, concerning transiting uranus is trining his progressed sun, and is close to trining his natal mer. and sextiling his progressed mars. continuing with this venus/uranus stuff... like i said before, his progressed moon is coming up on his venus and uranus (using a 3 degree orb.)
he also has the transiting saturn squaring his natal mars, and will be smacking over his natal pluto and saturn once more when it turn direct. it is also conjuct his progressed venus in sag. (i don't know what this mean, because i'm not sure what this connection to each other is called? it's the 6/8th house one?)i'm not sure if the transiting saturn will catch up and trine his moon before it moves out of scorp.
as for me.......and the whole venus/uranus thing..... my progressed moon is trining my natal venus and sextiling my natal moon. it is also trining his progressed uranus and is coming close to trining his natal venus and uranus (using a 3 degree orb on this one) and his moon is 4 degrees away from trining my progressed moon and natal venus. so....i'm not really sure to make of all of this..
i'm getting that alot is going on with his progressed moon and natal venus and uranus, which may be causing irratic feelings about love and possibly "on-off" commitment issues? does this sound right? like he wants his freedom at the moment? but also, all that progressed scorp. contacting natal scorp. in his chart is causing him to clam up and and be able to talk about things? this is what i'm getting anyways...
as for my progressed moon trining my natal venus and trining his progressed uranus and coming with a one degree (trine) of his natal uranus and 2 degree (trine) of his natal venus and 4 degree (trine) of his progressed moon, i'm just wondering what this all means.
i read that a progressed moon trine natal venus is ripe for falling in love, and we both have this happening in our charts (his will be with in a month or so) and add to this that our progressed moons are w/ in 4 degree (tine)of one another and my progressed moon is with in 2 degree (tine) of his natal venus, it just seems as if something is going to happen! and the funny thing is, it will all be coming together with in about one month, which would have been our 5 year anniversary!!!!!it also seems that if my progressed moon is trining his progressed uranus exact at the moment, that this must mean something. it would seem to me that if he needs freedom at the moment, i would be the one able to give it (emotionally) to him. in reality, i was very clingly lately and pushed him away BUT - my progressed moon just moved into the degree trining his progressed uranus and with in the almost exact day of that happening, i started to majorly give him space (sensing that whatever i was doing was backfiring - stinking progressed venus in aries turning me into a pursuing stalker!)
so, i'm hoping all this will work out. i'm also read that progressed moon trine venus can bring about reconciliations, etc. which would be wonderful!
my progressed moon will be moving into leo in less than a month, and i'm already feeling the uplifiting effect! no more saturn squaring my progressed moon! yeah!!!
and his progressed moon will be moving from scorp. into sag. in a few months. i hope his depression, if that is what it is will be clearing up by then. and i also hope that the sag. moon will not make him want too much freedom! ahhh... so much stuff going on!
but, yes, he emailed me again yesterday after that one day he did not, so it's all cool. i just wish it would be more personal
also, sthenri:
yes, his progressed moon is in scorp. but the whole time it has been in that, his sexuality has really waned. it's like he chose to take the scorp. ability to become celibate. i can't see his moon being progressed in this sign causing him to not be able to stay away long, unfortunately.
also, i've never heard of the 9th house being the "love" house. please explain!??
maybe this topic should be moved to "soul unions" i don't want to take up space on this board too much.
if anyone has any musing about what i am seeing in our charts, feel free to add...
EDIT****** if i did not mention the orb i used above, i am using a 0 degree orb.
Least we forget what we already learnedIt comes with out saying with it we areBornRarely we know or canAnswer, it's fate!Not all of us are so enlightened to Date. NotI.
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