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T O P I C R E V I E Wsd09~Scorpio - Capricorn~~Gemini - Sagittarius~There are four astrological signs which are inherently prone to depression - Scorpio, Capricorn, Gemini and Sagittarius. These signs tend to express their problems through the symbol of depression in their own particular mode.Sagittarius perceives life through the lenses of Jupiter-Zeus. Given the enormous range of experiences available in life, he will focus selectively on the meaningfulness of those experiences - the higher purpose. He will often not deal with the immediate negative feelings which a bad experience provokes as the negative feeling would cloud the intuitive perception of the meaning. Because of this particular way of responding to life, there is often a big backlog of difficult of emotions tucked away in the subconscious of the Sagittarian's psyche. However, he can avoid the depression of a Moon/Pluto - Venus/Saturn for many years.Capricorn favors depression because it serves its inherent sense of guilt. It is not predisposed to see a world full of inherent meaning pointing toward some profound spiritual goal. It is the mortality of the world that Capricorn sees - its limitations, its inherent struggle, the fragile nature of life, and the extreme vulnerability of the human animal. One cannot expect grace from heaven; life is hard and one must work and struggle. Unlike Sagittarius, it does not register the inner meaning of an experience; rather it registers the experience as confirmation of the human condition. It is an embrace of immediate experience rather than an intuition of the implications of the experience and the sensation function, rather than the intuition is the primary tool of adaptation and adjustment. Capricorn's innate depression is neither pathological nor curable because it is part and parcel of the individual's vision of life.Scorpio favors depression because it is an excellent and effective form of expressing vindictive anger while remaining relatively blameless in in the eyes of others - and also, depression keeps others out. The roots of Scorpio's depression are separation, loss, and the dilemmas of human relationship because the god who stands behind this sign is the Great Mother, who represents the unity and life-preserving drives of all instinctual life. The Scorpio personality always seeks to merge with what he /she loves, while at the same time fearing the loss of power which accompanies such merging. The trigger for Scorpio's depression is loneliness and separation.Gemini - (Splitting is also characteristic of Gemini and Sagittarius. They will usually project the darkness outside onto other people or society or onto the body.) Atlantic MystBeing a gemini can be a real b*tch too. You can be depressed and happy at the same time. Both fight to take over.*Sighs why must I suffer------------------~*~ Cusp: Gemini/Cancer, Cancer rising, Taurus moon ~*~Let's go...sue gI have five planets in scorp and totally relate to what is written up there - separation and letting go is very hard for me and has caused me to have depressions all my life, it is only now I am learning the lessons that the depression is fading - singing also helps and music!! xSparklingSagyeah, the Sag is true too. i always try to see the positive side and get on with life without analysing why i'm upset but then I have my Cap Asc which means I do take life seriously in some areas...cristinamegreat!I have Capricorn Sun-Venus, Sagitarius Mercury opp Gemini Jupiterand a Scorpio Moongo figure!but all-in-all, I deal with the capricorn load by sarcasm, I deal with Sag need for meaning tru astrology and all this stuff...the thing that really gets to me is the lonesliness of my Scorpio Moon, which is only made worse by it being conj Uranus....this is sooo sad, isn't it?!? neptune's mermaidVery interesting.If I had to make a list on who's prone to deppression those 4 signs would have been on the bottom. Nothing is ever as it seems.sue gAren't pisces supposed to be prone to depression too? I always thought Scorpio came at the top of the list and then Pisces, Capricorn and cancer? xxsue gHi Cristiname, I have a friend and a sister who have moon in scorp - does this lead to supression of the emotions and a difficulty in opening up to others? I find you would almost have to drag things out of them, although having lots of scorp in my chart, I am sensitive to their privacy. xSparklingSagyes, I was surprised too...Pisces and Cancer were at the top of my list. Maybe it is the way the different signs deal with life? neptune's mermaidI can understand why you would think Pisceans and Cancers are prone to depression and I was thinking that as well. Then I thought both Pisceans and Cancers express their sadness - it's very difficult to hide our emotions like everyone else and maybe that's why certain people might think that about us. I think cause we don't keep our emotions bolted up, particularly from close friends and family, we are able to dodge depression.cristinameI would have to say "no, not really"...I don't supress my emotions... but I am carefull who's around when i express them... I'm very intense, as a manner of expressing myself, and I do seem to sacre people or at leats make them uncomfortable... dunno why. by the way they tell me to 'take it easy' or 'cool it down', I take it they don't understand me at all, and they don't respect my emotions, so I keep the most instense and imp ones to myself. I can't risk having them out in the open and NOT comprehended... u know what I mean?people have such a easy way of making u ashamed for what u feel just because they don't feel it too or b/c it's... unreasonable/unappropriated/or simply too much for them... i have found that too many times most people take the easy/superficial way... and anything diferent upsets thebalance of their perfectly crafted white-fance illusions, u know?!?well... u asked...pixelpixiesd09, I am guessing you cut and pasted this helpful info... or else your powers of the written word have increased exponentially.Figures that my dominant chart influences would be Capricorn (Moon) Scorpio (Sun, Mars, Uranus, TNode) and Sagittarius is the only other sign in my chart that has more than one planet/angle(Venus, Neptune)Figures.neptune's mermaidIf you show your emotions including sadness you're called depressed because no "narmal" human feels sad. So everyone feels sorry for you.If you hide them you're detached and branded insensitive so no one likes or understands you.So what the he!! are you supposed to do?pixelpixieJust be you, in all your multi-faceted wonderful hights and *hopefully quick* moments of sadness and weakness, and be glad there are those other people around you who very simply will understand... to embrace the happy you, and understand *most of the time* the complex state of affairs that being a human immerses you in.... the scales will dip and fly and stay balanced for some of the time also. I like to tell people.. " I am grumpy today." Straight away.. *as if they can't tell... that way at least they are prepared and will take it with a grain of salt.. I also find it helps me to interrupt those grumpy statements, as I am aware that they will be dominant, so it works as a buffer. Internally and externally.Heart--Shaped CrossJust as intelligence is heightened in some, and others may as well not be expected to sympathize with the level of objectivity, or personal detachment, such people exhibit, so, emotionalism is also heightened in some, and others may as well not be expected to sympathize with the level of subjectivity, or DEPTH of experience, they exhibit.Emotions, to the unemotional, are easy enough to control. If they consider emotional displays signs of weakness, it is only because their own emotions are so weak, and they do not know what it is to have to contend with emotions stronger than themselves on a daily (or hourly) basis. And, just as it pleases them to consider themselves strong when they reason away the meeker assaults of emotion, so, it pleases them to imagine themselves brave, though they have not truly known fear; determined, though they have not truly known desperation; generous, though they have not truly known desire; temperate, though they have not truly known temper; and so on. If you are a particularly sensitive person, try to remember that, approx. 95% of the people in the world do not feel things as intensely and as deeply as you do. Having so little experience of the power of emotions to overwhelm or compel reason, it is only natural for them to disbelieve in the existence of such a power. After all, it is a popular belief in our day to imagine that everyone's experience of the world is essentially identical to our own. We forget that, even if the world is "essentially" round, nonetheless, we here on earth must EXPERIENCE it as flat; objective as "truth" may be, we here in reality are still subject to the influence of EXPERIENCE, which is, by nature, subjective; a process of revelation, unique to the individual concerned.------------------"I want to love first,and live incidentally."- Zelda Fitzgeraldcristinamevery nicely said heart-shaped...oh! how I wish people would STOP telling me what I SHOULD feel....AphroditeI really liked what Pixelpixie and Heart-Shaped Cross wrote in their most recent posts above this one. The comments are going to be printed out before leaving work today and put on the fridge door next to the year 2006 goals. Thanks you guys neptune's mermaidI completely agree with Aphrodite - I love what Pixelpixie and Heart-Shaped Cross wrote. It moved me so much I actually got tearful - but I kept my composure sthenriNot much info on Geminis, how do Geminis act when depressed and what causes that?Thanks,Natashawildflwrsa heavy 8th House and/or a heavy 12th House too.Heart--Shaped Crossthanx aphrodite, cristiname, and neptune's mermaid! tracysalomeI totally agree with the gemini one. That's exactly what my husband did. I never before that expected it out of a gemini.viperI so like the way these are explained by sd09, very interesting stuff,My GF has Sag rising, scorp moon, Cap Mars and Gem descendant - the scorpio bit is very much the way she respondsJunityI have a sagittarius moon. As a kid, i would stuff negative feelings and focus on the positive. Now that i am an adult, i find that it doesn't work anymore b/c there isn't anymore room for me to hide negative feelings.XenaHSC, *Emotions, to the unemotional, are easy enough to control. If they consider emotional displays signs of weakness, it is only because their own emotions are so weak, and they do not know what it is to have to contend with emotions stronger than themselves on a daily (or hourly) basis.*Does this mean outward displays of emotion? Over the last 2 years I have gradually become used to controlling the public expression of my emotions. To the extent where people consider me inscrutable or lacking in social skills. Possibly the emotion isn't stronger than me, but possibly I just blot it out. It's my way of disallowing myself to be hurt or controlled by others. Don't touch me and I won't touch you, I imply - but I also stay out of trouble. Yeah, I get very depressed at times and wonder what the point of life is (increasingly so in recent months), although I'm not *outwardly* depressed, and tend to be more or less positive. I can't always let myself be consumed by, or allow others the benefit of, my emotions. I am very calm/detached/cynical/ironic, some possibly find me frosty; it's my way of dealing with things. *And, just as it pleases them to consider themselves strong when they reason away the meeker assaults of emotion, so, it pleases them to imagine themselves brave, though they have not truly known fear; determined, though they have not truly known desperation; generous, though they have not truly known desire; temperate, though they have not truly known temper; and so on.*Like the people who are obsessed with conventions who try to tell you how to behave? I have a flatmate about 5 years younger than me (the opposite of me - a total extrovert - I am an introvert) who this morning insisted that I say hello to him first every time we meet (despite the fact that I might be met with a very short reply at times, and that neither of us might be in the mood for conversation; conversation for the sake of it isn't my bag...anyhow -) "Do you know," I said, "YOU SOUND JUST LIKE MY FATHER!" (Which freaked him out, he said, as he didn't want to be compared to anybody's father.) As he is going on holiday, we agreed that I would practise greeting him during his absence, and that I would deliver the result to him in various different permutations upon his return. This is just the tip of the iceberg when dealing with such people, and all I can say is, I'm glad I'm not his girlfriend. *If you are a particularly sensitive person, try to remember that, approx. 95% of the people in the world do not feel things as intensely and as deeply as you do. Having so little experience of the power of emotions to overwhelm or compel reason, it is only natural for them to disbelieve in the existence of such a power.* Which is why attempts to reason often sound false.
There are four astrological signs which are inherently prone to depression - Scorpio, Capricorn, Gemini and Sagittarius. These signs tend to express their problems through the symbol of depression in their own particular mode.
Sagittarius perceives life through the lenses of Jupiter-Zeus. Given the enormous range of experiences available in life, he will focus selectively on the meaningfulness of those experiences - the higher purpose. He will often not deal with the immediate negative feelings which a bad experience provokes as the negative feeling would cloud the intuitive perception of the meaning. Because of this particular way of responding to life, there is often a big backlog of difficult of emotions tucked away in the subconscious of the Sagittarian's psyche. However, he can avoid the depression of a Moon/Pluto - Venus/Saturn for many years.
Capricorn favors depression because it serves its inherent sense of guilt. It is not predisposed to see a world full of inherent meaning pointing toward some profound spiritual goal. It is the mortality of the world that Capricorn sees - its limitations, its inherent struggle, the fragile nature of life, and the extreme vulnerability of the human animal. One cannot expect grace from heaven; life is hard and one must work and struggle. Unlike Sagittarius, it does not register the inner meaning of an experience; rather it registers the experience as confirmation of the human condition. It is an embrace of immediate experience rather than an intuition of the implications of the experience and the sensation function, rather than the intuition is the primary tool of adaptation and adjustment. Capricorn's innate depression is neither pathological nor curable because it is part and parcel of the individual's vision of life.
Scorpio favors depression because it is an excellent and effective form of expressing vindictive anger while remaining relatively blameless in in the eyes of others - and also, depression keeps others out. The roots of Scorpio's depression are separation, loss, and the dilemmas of human relationship because the god who stands behind this sign is the Great Mother, who represents the unity and life-preserving drives of all instinctual life. The Scorpio personality always seeks to merge with what he /she loves, while at the same time fearing the loss of power which accompanies such merging. The trigger for Scorpio's depression is loneliness and separation.
Gemini - (Splitting is also characteristic of Gemini and Sagittarius. They will usually project the darkness outside onto other people or society or onto the body.)
*Sighs why must I suffer
------------------~*~ Cusp: Gemini/Cancer, Cancer rising, Taurus moon ~*~
Let's go...
I have Capricorn Sun-Venus, Sagitarius Mercury opp Gemini Jupiterand a Scorpio Moon
go figure!
but all-in-all, I deal with the capricorn load by sarcasm, I deal with Sag need for meaning tru astrology and all this stuff...
the thing that really gets to me is the lonesliness of my Scorpio Moon, which is only made worse by it being conj Uranus....
this is sooo sad, isn't it?!?
If I had to make a list on who's prone to deppression those 4 signs would have been on the bottom. Nothing is ever as it seems.
I don't supress my emotions... but I am carefull who's around when i express them... I'm very intense, as a manner of expressing myself, and I do seem to sacre people or at leats make them uncomfortable... dunno why.
by the way they tell me to 'take it easy' or 'cool it down', I take it they don't understand me at all, and they don't respect my emotions, so I keep the most instense and imp ones to myself. I can't risk having them out in the open and NOT comprehended... u know what I mean?
people have such a easy way of making u ashamed for what u feel just because they don't feel it too or b/c it's... unreasonable/unappropriated/or simply too much for them...
i have found that too many times most people take the easy/superficial way... and anything diferent upsets thebalance of their perfectly crafted white-fance illusions, u know?!?
well... u asked...
Figures that my dominant chart influences would be Capricorn (Moon) Scorpio (Sun, Mars, Uranus, TNode) and Sagittarius is the only other sign in my chart that has more than one planet/angle(Venus, Neptune)Figures.
If you hide them you're detached and branded insensitive so no one likes or understands you.
So what the he!! are you supposed to do?
Emotions, to the unemotional, are easy enough to control. If they consider emotional displays signs of weakness, it is only because their own emotions are so weak, and they do not know what it is to have to contend with emotions stronger than themselves on a daily (or hourly) basis.
And, just as it pleases them to consider themselves strong when they reason away the meeker assaults of emotion, so, it pleases them to imagine themselves brave, though they have not truly known fear; determined, though they have not truly known desperation; generous, though they have not truly known desire; temperate, though they have not truly known temper; and so on.
If you are a particularly sensitive person, try to remember that, approx. 95% of the people in the world do not feel things as intensely and as deeply as you do. Having so little experience of the power of emotions to overwhelm or compel reason, it is only natural for them to disbelieve in the existence of such a power.
After all, it is a popular belief in our day to imagine that everyone's experience of the world is essentially identical to our own. We forget that, even if the world is "essentially" round, nonetheless, we here on earth must EXPERIENCE it as flat; objective as "truth" may be, we here in reality are still subject to the influence of EXPERIENCE, which is, by nature, subjective; a process of revelation, unique to the individual concerned.
------------------"I want to love first,and live incidentally."- Zelda Fitzgerald
oh! how I wish people would STOP telling me what I SHOULD feel....
Thanks,Natasha
My GF has Sag rising, scorp moon, Cap Mars and Gem descendant - the scorpio bit is very much the way she responds
*Emotions, to the unemotional, are easy enough to control. If they consider emotional displays signs of weakness, it is only because their own emotions are so weak, and they do not know what it is to have to contend with emotions stronger than themselves on a daily (or hourly) basis.*
Does this mean outward displays of emotion? Over the last 2 years I have gradually become used to controlling the public expression of my emotions. To the extent where people consider me inscrutable or lacking in social skills. Possibly the emotion isn't stronger than me, but possibly I just blot it out. It's my way of disallowing myself to be hurt or controlled by others. Don't touch me and I won't touch you, I imply - but I also stay out of trouble.
Yeah, I get very depressed at times and wonder what the point of life is (increasingly so in recent months), although I'm not *outwardly* depressed, and tend to be more or less positive. I can't always let myself be consumed by, or allow others the benefit of, my emotions. I am very calm/detached/cynical/ironic, some possibly find me frosty; it's my way of dealing with things.
*And, just as it pleases them to consider themselves strong when they reason away the meeker assaults of emotion, so, it pleases them to imagine themselves brave, though they have not truly known fear; determined, though they have not truly known desperation; generous, though they have not truly known desire; temperate, though they have not truly known temper; and so on.*
Like the people who are obsessed with conventions who try to tell you how to behave? I have a flatmate about 5 years younger than me (the opposite of me - a total extrovert - I am an introvert) who this morning insisted that I say hello to him first every time we meet (despite the fact that I might be met with a very short reply at times, and that neither of us might be in the mood for conversation; conversation for the sake of it isn't my bag...anyhow -)
"Do you know," I said, "YOU SOUND JUST LIKE MY FATHER!" (Which freaked him out, he said, as he didn't want to be compared to anybody's father.) As he is going on holiday, we agreed that I would practise greeting him during his absence, and that I would deliver the result to him in various different permutations upon his return.
This is just the tip of the iceberg when dealing with such people, and all I can say is, I'm glad I'm not his girlfriend.
*If you are a particularly sensitive person, try to remember that, approx. 95% of the people in the world do not feel things as intensely and as deeply as you do. Having so little experience of the power of emotions to overwhelm or compel reason, it is only natural for them to disbelieve in the existence of such a power.*
Which is why attempts to reason often sound false.
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