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T O P I C R E V I E Wlalalindawhat is up with this?I've had 4 phone calls tonight (my only day off) from men obsessing with me. Different men different reasons.The first guy is from Central America, he's nice and sexy in a latino sort of way but way too macho for me. I don't need to be the boss but you can't dictate to me either. I found out tonight he lives with a woman ??? Excuse me? His Moon is in Capricorn conjunct my Saturn.Guy # 2 Is a guy I don't even hardly know. He's always showing up out of the blue where ever I'm at. I'm beginning to think hes stalking me. Hes a desert storm vet with some mental disability. His Scorpio Sun is opposite my Moon/Venus.??? yeah rightGuy #3 Is a royal pain in the ass. I've known him for years as we used to work together. A couple of years ago we dated briefly.( I did try and say no but he was adamant) I have had no peace since then. Usually its with a smear campaign which I usually ignore but he's seriously trying my patience. We will soon be working together again and I'm dreading it. He goes to the others (except the War Vet) and in his spineless, bla ze manner he gets the others whipped up into a frenzy! Each trying not to be so obvious in their efforts to compare notes. (trust me, there is nothing to compare) Can you imagine that? Grown men acting like children.This Guys Sun conjuncts my Venus, his Asc. is conjunct my Mars and his Venus is opposite my Saturn.??? Not in this lifetimeGuy # 4 is a sweetheart but not for me. His Venus/Mars is opposite my Saturn. He is very emotional. I am uncomfortable with the water in his chart. I am watching a spider weave its web and I am bound and determined to by-pass it.He calls tonight upset and fishing, and to tell you the truth I resent him taking up so much of my personal time.This guy needs a dominatrix.I can't be the only woman with men problems like this. Come on and share your inner-aspects and maybe we can figure out what aspects are prominate. So far its looking like hard Saturn aspects. freebirdLucky you !! Four men...well you can go dating from morning till night. I had such problems but I could decide in couple of meetings whether I am into them or not. OR well I would just date them one by one week after week and see which one suits me or I like more. sthenriLalinda, why not just tell them to go away once and for all? Unless it's flattering,I usually have friends who can't respect my personal time, but it happens with men and women, then I sever the cord for a while. If you need someone it's harder but all the more reason to open about your feelings.One thing I have noticed about Taurus moons-and this is coming from a Cancer/8th house moon-they seem to be uncomfortable with saying No to anyone-A Taurus moon I know will if he runs into me on the street say, Call me and we'll talk. But he doesn't mean it, he can't walk away. He'll say Hi,how are you I've been thinking about you. But he doesn't mean that either.Then if I did call him which I did once, he didn't answer his cell, which he answers 24/7, meaning he was sulky because he had to tell me to call. He doesn't want to be forced to talk to someone just because it's the right thing to do. Not wanting to waste my time, I never talked to him again, and ignore him on the street-he is irritated beyond belief according to his friends, but what else can I do? If you can't say NO you are going to get people to come to you, whether you meant it or not. I am not sure if this is a Taurus/Libra moon thing, or an earth moon trait. Earth moons are very easy going too, but it's especially hard to say No when the moon is ruled by Venus. I'm all for tact and diplomacy but it's not a replacement for direct communication. Too frustrating for me, so I bypass all that tact, that's the reason why Taurus moons and I are either hand in pocket or not at all.Oddly enough my Taurus moon sister is the same, saying she hates having to be polite, when it's her standard.if I don't like someone I tend to act very emotional because I know it's irritating, or rude. These days I find it has the opposite effect on men, it turns them on. The best way to get rid of a man's attention is to start talking about health problems:>Anycase, being overly polite can come across as docile, so it attracts the opposite sex.i can probably tell of at least ten stories of libra or taurus moons who can't say what they feel, for fear of getting hurt or hurting someone.NatashaTauruspidauaHey LLL... how are you? I hate to use a cliche, but yes, when it rains it pours!!!!I have been having this off and on with guys that want me to go out with them. Some are from the distant past that seem to all resurface at the same time. A couple of guys are ones I had recently met. One is an Aqua with a Virgo moon - he calls periodically, but keeps hounding me for a date. I like him as a friend and I know he's obsessed because we never "did it". LOL.. he thinks he's got it all.. but I am not impressed.The Taurus Sun / Sag moon keeps in contact, but things are such that there is no way we can date. Still, I can tell he doesn't like that I am "out there" dating again.Then I met a Capricorn / Leo moon singleton. I wanted to kill him after the second date. The first date was informal and he ticked off most of the people we came in contact with and wouldn't leave his hands off me. He was recently in a motorcycle accident (on his way to my town.. but just to get coffee at the local shop...uh huh.. yeah. It was right after I told him we made better phone friends than anything). Anyway.. he ended up with a broken back, hand and nose. He just got out of surgery. I felt horrible..but then he had to leave a rude message and tell me "Thanks alot for what you did and ignoring me. I hope you know that if you want to talk to me you need to reach me at the hospital".As though it was MY fault... UGH...The Ex-Taurus has finally left me alone and I feel a great weight has lifted off of me. There are a few others.. but mostly via e-mail. They give me a hard time that I don't e-mail enough, but I am busy with a charity organization, work and my social life LOL...Not to mention... The New LEO.. LOL... I'll post about him another time But yes, in a nutshell, it seems the men that have been coming into my life or even ones I have known go from ZERO to OBSESSED in a nanosecond. Maybe it is Pluto and our Sag planets (or even the trine with Pluto / Saturn in your case?)lalalindaOh bless you NatashaI'm looking at everything except my Moon.Rudeness is unnecessary in my book but after you have said no a half of dozen times you would think they would catch on.I never realized it before but you're so right about Taurus Moons. Right now I have turned off my phone. In your opinion what would be the correct way to stop this without causing hard feelings?Piddy, I miss you so much and pray that Pluto is teaching you great things. I think initially my Aries/Sag optimisim pulls them in and maybe mistakenly makes them think I'm offering more than I am. I'm going for common courtesy and a job well done and they're getting come-ons.These guys never (except the Vet) catch me anywhere but work so it is not intimate friendships. The Vet lives where I live so its easier to see me coming and going. I get red flags with him and he does live with a woman he claims is strictly a friend and on her way to getting her own place. His mother is 85 years old and in the hospital with kidney Cancer and all he can talk about is getting there so that he can get his rightful share of her estate before his sisters do.??? What?I'm thinking his poor mom should be getting love and support and her kids should be around her helping her. I want to yell at him "THIS IS IT DUDE, YOU ONLY GET ONE MOM"Hurricane Katrina couldn't keep me from reaching my own mother God forbid if this was happening to her. I just don't get it. And I refuse to believe its just the difference between men and women.When the time comes I will have no problem saying buzz off to this guy because I have no respect for him.JunoMen ARE like buses, it must be provable, I know exactly what you mean, when you want one there are none around and then suddenly you're swarmed ( but don't always want them), I'm convinced it is a universal law.double trouble geminiits the same story with me...when i am desprately looking for someone,there is no one around, n when i am happy in a relationship there are like soo many diffrent guys intrested in me!..but LLL i do agree there are soo many guys after us that are really not our type but they still keep bugging us and calling us, these guys dont get the message that they are not wanted!my simple answer to them is to stop answering their calls.....i am currently stuck in a situation where these two guys keep calling me from 10 diffrent numbers....the result is: i am not answering any new numbers on my cell for more than a week!!.... i can do anything to get rid of these unwanted men in my life.pidauaI miss you too LLL.. and yes, Pluto has taught me many lessons and blessed me beyond belief. I lost that last job, but now I am in a better position, more pay, more travel, an office with tons of windows and a great staff!I finally cut the cord with the ex and it seems like the day I did, the universe just opened up and things became clearer and lighter. The witch director from my last position was fired and the old supervisor is about to be fired. It is kind of a sweet Karma. the old director was such a wus that she would fire people via fed ex packet to their home, while they were either A) on vacation or B) sick leave. She received her letter of termination via Fed Ex... while she was on sick leave. LMAOI even had one of the Board of Supervisors apologize to me for what I had been put through. I told him that everything happens for a reason and I like working with the educators (especially the science teachers) in the county LOL..So all is well. I understand what you mean about the red flags. That is how I felt about the Cappy Sun / Leo moon. I also started to get a little creeped out by another one - bad situation, I'll just put it that way. I do think it is that Aries / Sag combination you are speaking of. We do tend to put out so much upbeat energy and make others feel as though they are the only ones in the world. Then, they seem to want to keep taking and taking.... like I said about the Cappy, he felt that I somehow owed him or belonged to him when I had only briefly known him. LOL..How is your daughter doing at the flight school?I hope all is well!!!!zosoYou guys are totally right about the Taurus Moon thing. I can't say no to anyone, so if I see a situation coming...turn off the phone...walk away and hide...wahtever it takes to avoid the confrontation because I know I will say yes. astro junkie ------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darknessLeoSweetHeartThats it! I'm a people pleaser because of my Taurus moon..I never thought about that! It really does feel like a powerful force is making me act this way because I certainly don't intend to come off that way. But in our defense, I think one reason besides wanting to avoid conflict is that relationships are important to us...at least for me I can't stand when someone's mad at me or when theres a lack of harmony with people. I guess this has it negetive side too though, as all things do.LoveI have a Taurus moon and I USED to have a hard time saying no, but what I learned is that if you practice it enough times you get better at it and it gets easier. But, of course, you have to live with the squirmy feelings of having turned someone down the first several times until you just get used to saying what you feel. I'm actually a pretty blunt person, but I have tact so maybe the Taurus moon is not such a bad thing in my case!Love lalalindato all of my LL sisters I You!AJ I'm still laughing thats right girlfriend its raining men.I worked tonight and all of the above showed up except I'm ****** . I'm not playing that game with people I don't even care about, talk about nerve. I let them all know in my catty Mars square Mercury way that they were no more than an astrology experiment! Please...I did meet a great Aquarian tonight by accident, I think its funny because when you're sure you don't want whats being offered a good offer comes along. I'm not saying I will, but believe me he's got more of a chance than any of the above mentioned.Natasha, I am eagerly awaiting your reply. sthenriHi lalalinda,I am not great with a resolution, but for some reason Taurus moons do ask me for advice and take it so I'm careful now. There are two options regarding these menDecide which ones are closest to youor which ones you like the best.For me it's always closer, I work from the inside out and bluntly tell these ones what is going on.You may decide based on which ones you like.If one is close to you and bugging you, that is you have known him for a while, and he knows you, then confront him by phone and say you are very busy right now and not feeling up to returning calls. Say you can keep in touch again when things are back to normal and ask that he understands. After that don't answer,Then make a deal with each one based on how close you are already. Probably the real solution is finding out why you let these men get so close to you in the first place. It's not always a good thing to let others know you, if you do not know if you want to be close.Find out what attracts you to some and start cultivating friendships with those types of men. Make a list if necessary, and let your friends know what your type of male friend is. Men with any water at all get the hint and melt away.If it's a question of I don't like this guy anymore because of the way he is acting then don't hide ever. Confront him on how busy you are if he's air or fire, or if he's mostly earth/water tell him you are only spending time with very close friends right now.So which is it do you believe? Is it the men themselves or the behaviour that bugs you?As I get older for me, I find that I let behaviour bug me too much, and I can usually change that with a confrontation. But with Taurus moons often it's the guy himself, maybe the relationship need fine tuning. In that case focus in on the ones you really want to spend time with, or spend more time with the friends you enjoy.My sister spends most of her time with her Scorpio husband, by choice, she doesn't like to have close male friends unless they are his. It's not necessary to have tons of male friends or stay in touch because they are more independent and live their own lives.I would especially sever ties with the one who is living with a woman, it sounds like he wants to be independent but is tied down by needing and being needed and is not happy with his life. Can't be good company for you.It's a good idea to make inner decisions regarding people in your life from time to time because their lives change based on who they are with. Compromise and change come into our lives through our friends, so it's good to be watchful.I have lots of male friends but I am only close to a few, the others come and go or go their own way.NatashalalalindaThats just it Natasha none of these guys mean anything to me, and there is really no chance of that changing. So how do you say "no chance in the world and I'm positive"? without hurting thier feelings or causing animosity? Its like they resent you when you say no.sthenriHi, when you are deciding you can either decide how the other person feels, and plan to speak accordingly, but it comes across as fake to some, or you can decide on how you feel having to put up with this person and speak up about it.If this person is truly a person of substance he can only understand because he'll feel guilty if he doesn't. If he's manipulative then he can make it feel that you must consider his feeilngs first...But no real friend makes you feel that way unless he is very stressed.First say you need to be alone for a while, and say you know he values your friendship and emphasize the "we", as in we are cool with this right? If he is hurt, ask him bluntly what is going on in his life that makes him feel he needs you?You are a giver and a taker emotionally, same as him but there are decisions to make regarding who needs what and when it's appropriate to expect emotional strength from someone.If he is stressed and explains, let him know you are cool with him taking time to himself because you are not a good person to lean on in times like this. Direct him to emotional support resources, like a divorce support group.For me I am good at letting others lean emotionally, just not physically. Since they figure out that's all I have to offer, they leave soon enough if they are takers.That only works for me because men assume I am emotionally giving which isn't always true.See how it goes with the first one and when he has reasons...start listing where he can go instead to get help, be prepared.That's the best lesson for anyone manipulative, dealing with it takes preparation-Then eventually, instinct takes over.You can't expect to see these types coming at first, so dont' feel guilty.You weren't expected to perform some duty or obligation for these friends, friendship is a day by day agreement.See Taurus moons end up giving physically, which is a strain on the system. You must avoid that and take care of yourself.Water moons end up giving emotionally so we need more emotional support.You don't need all that, so it's just cluttering up your mind and life. My advice-Do not get into the habit of telling about your private life anymore. It's private and personal and causes you stress when you give that way. Natashalalalindayou're probably right Thanks Natasha
The first guy is from Central America, he's nice and sexy in a latino sort of way but way too macho for me. I don't need to be the boss but you can't dictate to me either. I found out tonight he lives with a woman ??? Excuse me? His Moon is in Capricorn conjunct my Saturn.
Guy # 2 Is a guy I don't even hardly know. He's always showing up out of the blue where ever I'm at. I'm beginning to think hes stalking me. Hes a desert storm vet with some mental disability. His Scorpio Sun is opposite my Moon/Venus.??? yeah right
Guy #3 Is a royal pain in the ass. I've known him for years as we used to work together. A couple of years ago we dated briefly.( I did try and say no but he was adamant) I have had no peace since then. Usually its with a smear campaign which I usually ignore but he's seriously trying my patience. We will soon be working together again and I'm dreading it. He goes to the others (except the War Vet) and in his spineless, bla ze manner he gets the others whipped up into a frenzy! Each trying not to be so obvious in their efforts to compare notes. (trust me, there is nothing to compare) Can you imagine that? Grown men acting like children.This Guys Sun conjuncts my Venus, his Asc. is conjunct my Mars and his Venus is opposite my Saturn.??? Not in this lifetime
Guy # 4 is a sweetheart but not for me. His Venus/Mars is opposite my Saturn. He is very emotional. I am uncomfortable with the water in his chart. I am watching a spider weave its web and I am bound and determined to by-pass it.He calls tonight upset and fishing, and to tell you the truth I resent him taking up so much of my personal time.This guy needs a dominatrix.
I can't be the only woman with men problems like this. Come on and share your inner-aspects and maybe we can figure out what aspects are prominate. So far its looking like hard Saturn aspects.
I had such problems but I could decide in couple of meetings whether I am into them or not. OR well I would just date them one by one week after week and see which one suits me or I like more.
I usually have friends who can't respect my personal time, but it happens with men and women, then I sever the cord for a while. If you need someone it's harder but all the more reason to open about your feelings.
One thing I have noticed about Taurus moons-and this is coming from a Cancer/8th house moon-they seem to be uncomfortable with saying No to anyone-A Taurus moon I know will if he runs into me on the street say, Call me and we'll talk. But he doesn't mean it, he can't walk away. He'll say Hi,how are you I've been thinking about you. But he doesn't mean that either.
Then if I did call him which I did once, he didn't answer his cell, which he answers 24/7, meaning he was sulky because he had to tell me to call. He doesn't want to be forced to talk to someone just because it's the right thing to do.
Not wanting to waste my time, I never talked to him again, and ignore him on the street-he is irritated beyond belief according to his friends, but what else can I do? If you can't say NO you are going to get people to come to you, whether you meant it or not.
I am not sure if this is a Taurus/Libra moon thing, or an earth moon trait. Earth moons are very easy going too, but it's especially hard to say No when the moon is ruled by Venus. I'm all for tact and diplomacy but it's not a replacement for direct communication. Too frustrating for me, so I bypass all that tact, that's the reason why Taurus moons and I are either hand in pocket or not at all.
Oddly enough my Taurus moon sister is the same, saying she hates having to be polite, when it's her standard.
if I don't like someone I tend to act very emotional because I know it's irritating, or rude. These days I find it has the opposite effect on men, it turns them on. The best way to get rid of a man's attention is to start talking about health problems:>
Anycase, being overly polite can come across as docile, so it attracts the opposite sex.
i can probably tell of at least ten stories of libra or taurus moons who can't say what they feel, for fear of getting hurt or hurting someone.
NatashaTaurus
I hate to use a cliche, but yes, when it rains it pours!!!!
I have been having this off and on with guys that want me to go out with them. Some are from the distant past that seem to all resurface at the same time.
A couple of guys are ones I had recently met.
One is an Aqua with a Virgo moon - he calls periodically, but keeps hounding me for a date. I like him as a friend and I know he's obsessed because we never "did it". LOL.. he thinks he's got it all.. but I am not impressed.
The Taurus Sun / Sag moon keeps in contact, but things are such that there is no way we can date. Still, I can tell he doesn't like that I am "out there" dating again.
Then I met a Capricorn / Leo moon singleton. I wanted to kill him after the second date. The first date was informal and he ticked off most of the people we came in contact with and wouldn't leave his hands off me. He was recently in a motorcycle accident (on his way to my town.. but just to get coffee at the local shop...uh huh.. yeah. It was right after I told him we made better phone friends than anything). Anyway.. he ended up with a broken back, hand and nose. He just got out of surgery. I felt horrible..but then he had to leave a rude message and tell me "Thanks alot for what you did and ignoring me. I hope you know that if you want to talk to me you need to reach me at the hospital".
As though it was MY fault... UGH...
The Ex-Taurus has finally left me alone and I feel a great weight has lifted off of me.
There are a few others.. but mostly via e-mail. They give me a hard time that I don't e-mail enough, but I am busy with a charity organization, work and my social life LOL...
Not to mention...
The New LEO.. LOL... I'll post about him another time
But yes, in a nutshell, it seems the men that have been coming into my life or even ones I have known go from ZERO to OBSESSED in a nanosecond. Maybe it is Pluto and our Sag planets (or even the trine with Pluto / Saturn in your case?)
Piddy, I miss you so much and pray that Pluto is teaching you great things.
I think initially my Aries/Sag optimisim pulls them in and maybe mistakenly makes them think I'm offering more than I am. I'm going for common courtesy and a job well done and they're getting come-ons.
These guys never (except the Vet) catch me anywhere but work so it is not intimate friendships. The Vet lives where I live so its easier to see me coming and going. I get red flags with him and he does live with a woman he claims is strictly a friend and on her way to getting her own place. His mother is 85 years old and in the hospital with kidney Cancer and all he can talk about is getting there so that he can get his rightful share of her estate before his sisters do.??? What?I'm thinking his poor mom should be getting love and support and her kids should be around her helping her. I want to yell at him "THIS IS IT DUDE, YOU ONLY GET ONE MOM"Hurricane Katrina couldn't keep me from reaching my own mother God forbid if this was happening to her. I just don't get it. And I refuse to believe its just the difference between men and women.When the time comes I will have no problem saying buzz off to this guy because I have no respect for him.
I lost that last job, but now I am in a better position, more pay, more travel, an office with tons of windows and a great staff!
I finally cut the cord with the ex and it seems like the day I did, the universe just opened up and things became clearer and lighter.
The witch director from my last position was fired and the old supervisor is about to be fired. It is kind of a sweet Karma. the old director was such a wus that she would fire people via fed ex packet to their home, while they were either A) on vacation or B) sick leave.
She received her letter of termination via Fed Ex... while she was on sick leave. LMAO
I even had one of the Board of Supervisors apologize to me for what I had been put through. I told him that everything happens for a reason and I like working with the educators (especially the science teachers) in the county LOL..So all is well.
I understand what you mean about the red flags. That is how I felt about the Cappy Sun / Leo moon. I also started to get a little creeped out by another one - bad situation, I'll just put it that way.
I do think it is that Aries / Sag combination you are speaking of. We do tend to put out so much upbeat energy and make others feel as though they are the only ones in the world. Then, they seem to want to keep taking and taking.... like I said about the Cappy, he felt that I somehow owed him or belonged to him when I had only briefly known him. LOL..
How is your daughter doing at the flight school?
I hope all is well!!!!
------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness
Love
AJ I'm still laughing thats right girlfriend its raining men.
I worked tonight and all of the above showed up except I'm ****** . I'm not playing that game with people I don't even care about, talk about nerve. I let them all know in my catty Mars square Mercury way that they were no more than an astrology experiment! Please...
I did meet a great Aquarian tonight by accident, I think its funny because when you're sure you don't want whats being offered a good offer comes along. I'm not saying I will, but believe me he's got more of a chance than any of the above mentioned.
Natasha, I am eagerly awaiting your reply.
There are two options regarding these menDecide which ones are closest to youor which ones you like the best.
For me it's always closer, I work from the inside out and bluntly tell these ones what is going on.
You may decide based on which ones you like.If one is close to you and bugging you, that is you have known him for a while, and he knows you, then confront him by phone and say you are very busy right now and not feeling up to returning calls. Say you can keep in touch again when things are back to normal and ask that he understands. After that don't answer,
Then make a deal with each one based on how close you are already. Probably the real solution is finding out why you let these men get so close to you in the first place. It's not always a good thing to let others know you, if you do not know if you want to be close.
Find out what attracts you to some and start cultivating friendships with those types of men. Make a list if necessary, and let your friends know what your type of male friend is. Men with any water at all get the hint and melt away.
If it's a question of I don't like this guy anymore because of the way he is acting then don't hide ever. Confront him on how busy you are if he's air or fire, or if he's mostly earth/water tell him you are only spending time with very close friends right now.
So which is it do you believe? Is it the men themselves or the behaviour that bugs you?
As I get older for me, I find that I let behaviour bug me too much, and I can usually change that with a confrontation. But with Taurus moons often it's the guy himself, maybe the relationship need fine tuning. In that case focus in on the ones you really want to spend time with, or spend more time with the friends you enjoy.
My sister spends most of her time with her Scorpio husband, by choice, she doesn't like to have close male friends unless they are his. It's not necessary to have tons of male friends or stay in touch because they are more independent and live their own lives.
I would especially sever ties with the one who is living with a woman, it sounds like he wants to be independent but is tied down by needing and being needed and is not happy with his life. Can't be good company for you.
It's a good idea to make inner decisions regarding people in your life from time to time because their lives change based on who they are with. Compromise and change come into our lives through our friends, so it's good to be watchful.
I have lots of male friends but I am only close to a few, the others come and go or go their own way.
Natasha
If this person is truly a person of substance he can only understand because he'll feel guilty if he doesn't. If he's manipulative then he can make it feel that you must consider his feeilngs first...
But no real friend makes you feel that way unless he is very stressed.
First say you need to be alone for a while, and say you know he values your friendship and emphasize the "we", as in we are cool with this right? If he is hurt, ask him bluntly what is going on in his life that makes him feel he needs you?
You are a giver and a taker emotionally, same as him but there are decisions to make regarding who needs what and when it's appropriate to expect emotional strength from someone.
If he is stressed and explains, let him know you are cool with him taking time to himself because you are not a good person to lean on in times like this. Direct him to emotional support resources, like a divorce support group.
For me I am good at letting others lean emotionally, just not physically. Since they figure out that's all I have to offer, they leave soon enough if they are takers.
That only works for me because men assume I am emotionally giving which isn't always true.
See how it goes with the first one and when he has reasons...start listing where he can go instead to get help, be prepared.
That's the best lesson for anyone manipulative, dealing with it takes preparation-Then eventually, instinct takes over.
You can't expect to see these types coming at first, so dont' feel guilty.
You weren't expected to perform some duty or obligation for these friends, friendship is a day by day agreement.
See Taurus moons end up giving physically, which is a strain on the system. You must avoid that and take care of yourself.
Water moons end up giving emotionally so we need more emotional support.
You don't need all that, so it's just cluttering up your mind and life. My advice-Do not get into the habit of telling about your private life anymore. It's private and personal and causes you stress when you give that way.
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