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T O P I C R E V I E Wvesta-sister I found some new and interesting information. When looking into death, kidapings, rape, murder ect... Asteroids to look at : Anubis - suicide BAM- gunshots, explosions, bombs ceres - child abducted, mother figure, grief, loss, death, sorrow juno- revenge, jealousy, rage, wife ( or spouse) abuse of power Toro - brutality, rage, violence, martial arts Hopi - knives, stabings, ambush Medea - killed her children Astrea - a witness persephone / proserpina - abduction, rape, kidnaping ( Midpoints ) Mars / saturn - death, cruelty, sadism Mars / Uranus - sudden outbursts of anger, explosive situations, impulsive, sudden death or accident Mars / Neptune - suicide, poisoning, drowning. ceres / pluto - disappearance, missing person, unsolved crime Ven / Mars - sexual attraction Ven / pluto - sexual obsession, rape Ven / neptune - sexual fantasy, obsession, delusion in love, betrayl, affair ( Point of death ) The midpoint of the 1st and 8th house cusp ( or ) the midpoint of the rulers of the 1st and 8th. IqhunkThe above may be significant but I think I have found the exact triggers.When transit NEGATIVE POTENTIAL Asteroid conjuncts DRIVING PLANET/ASTEROID in the sky, and this macabre conjunction exactly aspects NESSUS or DEJANIRA in the already afflicted chart of the Psychopath, he is inspired to act.This is info that can save lives in the future should Police Forensics Teams apply astrological profiling of suspects who were in custody but are out on parole.I studied the chart of Dennis Rader [BTK].He has Sun conj KARMA in Pisces, which is not a bad placement but goes bad when other negatives accumulate in charts.Like his KAALI conj LUST square Mars.NESSUS quincunx Retro Neptune exact.His first attacks were when Transit LUCIFER and Transit NESSUS were trine, Transit Mars squared his Pluto and Transit KARMA was 1.5 degrees away from his Natal DEJANIRA.His second attack:Tr Sun conj Tr KAALI [a dreadful time]Tr Mars conj his EROSTr Pluto quinucnx his NESSUSTr Venus conjunct Natal Dejanira [Trigger]His 3rdth attack had Transit Moon conj Mars conj KAALI conjunct Natal DEJANIRA.Tr NESSUS conj Saturn and Tr LUCIFER wuincunx Natal NESSUS.His 4th attack had Saturn opp DEJANIRA, and many afflictions to his natal KAALi conj LUST. Sun was exactly conjunct Neptune, which would always spur any Piscean to do good if he is choosing good and evil if choosing evil.His 5th attack had Tr Mars sq Natal DEJANIRA as trigger but also had Tr Sun conj Tr EROS bang on his Natal NESSUS.Transit KAALI, Tr Moon, Natal Moon and True Node were in a T-Square as well.His 6th attack had Tr NESSUS opp DEJANIRA and Tr Moon conj DEJANIRA as triggersince Tr Pluto was exactly opp NESSUS.Also Tr Neptune exactly opposed Saturn, Transit Saturn quincunx Saturn and Transit Mars trine LUST.The last documented attack again had Mars square Natal DEJANIRA [All Mars square triggers are when Mars is ahead of Dejanira in his chart...], Moon had just transit Dejanira.In the skies, Sun conj True Node, KAALI and LUCIFER were trine and EROS conj LUST. Transit Pluto trined his natal EROS which would have been charged up due to the astrological positions of that day.The Natal Charts of most psychos have similar disturbing patterns, when I get all the dates of crimes, there will be more comnfirming evidence.------------------ Free Articles Sophisticated Readings SamplesLibralove09how did i miss this?how do i interpret these midpoints?im interested in the mars-saturn midpoint, because that has a 3 degree orb gap from my pluto.iqhunk, what do charts usually look like in serial killers (aspects wise) ? vesta-sister IQ, someone had posted about such things in another thread and I have a book on forensic astrology that gave that info as well as examples. He didn't use psychopaths, or seiral killers. He used cases like - the Columbine shootings, 9/11, Laci and scott Peterson, abductions of children ( polly Klass ) More along the lines of in the moment, crimes of passion rather than psycopathic killers who were born unstable. It seems as though the asteroids were in place for them all it took was the progressions and transits to set it off. For Polly Klass in looking at her chart it follows the classic proserpina story of abduction. She had proserpina in the first house (self) opp pluto in seventh ( open enemies) She had richard in her eighth (death) conjunct juno ( powerless victim). His last name Davis conjunct her DC. In Synastry His mars is conjunct her sun and square her Jupiter - saturn conjunction in the seventh house. His saturn square her mars, His venus opp her venus and his moon square her saturn. A pattern of sexual atraction anger and violence. The author never used the ones you suggest , his info was more simple not so complex /detalied as your info. And each situation is diffrent and the asteroids would be diffrent in diffrent stories (myths). wfg363Okay...so I don't want to sound dramatic, but it's been mentioned to me before so I'm a little sensitive about it and then I found this thread...Is something violent going to happen to me (or have a greater potential of happening to me)?I have a 0* Venus/Mars conjunction in Leo (that is also conjunct Jupiter 3*) and the Venus/mars is 0* square my Pluto in Scorpio and my Pluto is really strong in my chart. And My ASC is Libra so Venus is the chart ruler...I also have DEjANIRA in my 8th house sextile Mercury (2*), trine Dark Moon Lilith (2*) and trine KAALI (1*). DML is opposite my Sun.LUST is trine my Sun (1*), sextile DML (1*) and sextile KAALI (2*).I have BAM at 0'00" Libra conunct my ASC, HOPI conjunct my NN (2*), and TORO trine CHIRON (0*).My Venus/Pluto midpoint is 1* conjunct my ASC (close) or conjunct my DC (far). I don't know the orbs on the midpoints, but my Mars/Saturn midpoint is 6* away from Pluto.My Venus/Mars square and the DEjANIRA, LILITH and KAALI along with LUST and midpoints made me worried...I just thought that was a lot of stuff to have lol...It's funny, I had a tough time in high school and there was a suicide attempt (stupid, but I was a kid) and ANUBIS is at 0* cancer conjunct my Sun (1*). Thought that was interesting. Or wait, does this mean I'll DO those things? (not really though) okay...just curious...Lonake^ I've heard a lot of talk about Algol. It's at 26 Taurus, fixed star quote:Primitive female sexuality; strangulation, beheading, danger to throat and neck, murder, violence, mass catastrophe; the "Evil One", the Demon Star; passionate; intense; hysterical. A pulsating double-star also associated with extreme creativity; an expression of the Dark Side... More on Caput Algol.That's one of the worst.So if you're gonna go in for midpoints you typically add in fixed stars as well. You don't want the dangerous ones mixed up in there. Scheat is bad too it's at late Pisces.Here's what you get for early Leo,Talitha quote:Quiet, prudent, suspicious, mistrustful, self-controlled, great anger when roused; control of wild animals http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html ...I like the Venus Mars conj in your chart since they rule the Asc/Dsc axis.Sq to Pluto you have to watch out for controlling partners, or those you may use your sexuality for their own pleasure. Or I suppose you acting like that toward them depending on how you lean personality wise. You have a lot of sexual energy just be careful that you don't let it fall into the wrong hands. But you have a good fixed star on your Mars/Venus for prudent, etc. so that should help steer you in the right direction.Venus/Pluto is nice for women since it gives them good spidey senses, so to speak....I also want to say in my chart,that I have a lot of markers for being raped or molested, that didn't happen no abusive romantic relationships etcI have a lot of markers for being infertile, not trueI have a lot of markers for having a memory great enough to be a lawyer, also not true lolwfg363lol yes logically I know that people notice how many people who have a trait or that have something happen to them can have the same indicators, but that doesn't mean everyone with those indicators will have that same things happen, etc.But my brain and the rest of me rarely go in the same direction lol. Thanks so much! LonakeIf you had some scary tsquare like Algol conj Venus opp Saturn sq Pluto conj Nessues then we have to talk lmao.
Asteroids to look at :
Anubis - suicide
BAM- gunshots, explosions, bombs
ceres - child abducted, mother figure, grief, loss, death, sorrow
juno- revenge, jealousy, rage, wife ( or spouse) abuse of power
Toro - brutality, rage, violence, martial arts
Hopi - knives, stabings, ambush
Medea - killed her children
Astrea - a witness
persephone / proserpina - abduction, rape, kidnaping
( Midpoints )
Mars / saturn - death, cruelty, sadism
Mars / Uranus - sudden outbursts of anger, explosive situations, impulsive, sudden death or accident
Mars / Neptune - suicide, poisoning, drowning.
ceres / pluto - disappearance, missing person, unsolved crime
Ven / Mars - sexual attraction
Ven / pluto - sexual obsession, rape
Ven / neptune - sexual fantasy, obsession, delusion in love, betrayl, affair
( Point of death )
The midpoint of the 1st and 8th house cusp ( or ) the midpoint of the rulers of the 1st and 8th.
When transit NEGATIVE POTENTIAL Asteroid conjuncts DRIVING PLANET/ASTEROID in the sky, and this macabre conjunction exactly aspects NESSUS or DEJANIRA in the already afflicted chart of the Psychopath, he is inspired to act.
This is info that can save lives in the future should Police Forensics Teams apply astrological profiling of suspects who were in custody but are out on parole.
I studied the chart of Dennis Rader [BTK].
He has Sun conj KARMA in Pisces, which is not a bad placement but goes bad when other negatives accumulate in charts.Like his KAALI conj LUST square Mars.NESSUS quincunx Retro Neptune exact.
His first attacks were when Transit LUCIFER and Transit NESSUS were trine, Transit Mars squared his Pluto and Transit KARMA was 1.5 degrees away from his Natal DEJANIRA.
His second attack:Tr Sun conj Tr KAALI [a dreadful time]Tr Mars conj his EROSTr Pluto quinucnx his NESSUSTr Venus conjunct Natal Dejanira [Trigger]
His 3rdth attack had Transit Moon conj Mars conj KAALI conjunct Natal DEJANIRA.Tr NESSUS conj Saturn and Tr LUCIFER wuincunx Natal NESSUS.
His 4th attack had Saturn opp DEJANIRA, and many afflictions to his natal KAALi conj LUST. Sun was exactly conjunct Neptune, which would always spur any Piscean to do good if he is choosing good and evil if choosing evil.
His 5th attack had Tr Mars sq Natal DEJANIRA as trigger but also had Tr Sun conj Tr EROS bang on his Natal NESSUS.Transit KAALI, Tr Moon, Natal Moon and True Node were in a T-Square as well.
His 6th attack had Tr NESSUS opp DEJANIRA and Tr Moon conj DEJANIRA as triggersince Tr Pluto was exactly opp NESSUS.Also Tr Neptune exactly opposed Saturn, Transit Saturn quincunx Saturn and Transit Mars trine LUST.
The last documented attack again had Mars square Natal DEJANIRA [All Mars square triggers are when Mars is ahead of Dejanira in his chart...], Moon had just transit Dejanira.In the skies, Sun conj True Node, KAALI and LUCIFER were trine and EROS conj LUST. Transit Pluto trined his natal EROS which would have been charged up due to the astrological positions of that day.
The Natal Charts of most psychos have similar disturbing patterns, when I get all the dates of crimes, there will be more comnfirming evidence.
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how do i interpret these midpoints?
im interested in the mars-saturn midpoint, because that has a 3 degree orb gap from my pluto.
iqhunk, what do charts usually look like in serial killers (aspects wise) ?
He used cases like - the Columbine shootings, 9/11, Laci and scott Peterson, abductions of children ( polly Klass ) More along the lines of in the moment, crimes of passion rather than psycopathic killers who were born unstable. It seems as though the asteroids were in place for them all it took was the progressions and transits to set it off.
For Polly Klass in looking at her chart it follows the classic proserpina story of abduction. She had proserpina in the first house (self) opp pluto in seventh ( open enemies) She had richard in her eighth (death) conjunct juno ( powerless victim). His last name Davis conjunct her DC.
In Synastry His mars is conjunct her sun and square her Jupiter - saturn conjunction in the seventh house. His saturn square her mars, His venus opp her venus and his moon square her saturn. A pattern of sexual atraction anger and violence.
The author never used the ones you suggest , his info was more simple not so complex /detalied as your info. And each situation is diffrent and the asteroids would be diffrent in diffrent stories (myths).
I have a 0* Venus/Mars conjunction in Leo (that is also conjunct Jupiter 3*) and the Venus/mars is 0* square my Pluto in Scorpio and my Pluto is really strong in my chart. And My ASC is Libra so Venus is the chart ruler...
I also have DEjANIRA in my 8th house sextile Mercury (2*), trine Dark Moon Lilith (2*) and trine KAALI (1*). DML is opposite my Sun.
LUST is trine my Sun (1*), sextile DML (1*) and sextile KAALI (2*).
I have BAM at 0'00" Libra conunct my ASC, HOPI conjunct my NN (2*), and TORO trine CHIRON (0*).
My Venus/Pluto midpoint is 1* conjunct my ASC (close) or conjunct my DC (far). I don't know the orbs on the midpoints, but my Mars/Saturn midpoint is 6* away from Pluto.
My Venus/Mars square and the DEjANIRA, LILITH and KAALI along with LUST and midpoints made me worried...I just thought that was a lot of stuff to have lol...
It's funny, I had a tough time in high school and there was a suicide attempt (stupid, but I was a kid) and ANUBIS is at 0* cancer conjunct my Sun (1*). Thought that was interesting.
Or wait, does this mean I'll DO those things? (not really though) okay...just curious...
quote:Primitive female sexuality; strangulation, beheading, danger to throat and neck, murder, violence, mass catastrophe; the "Evil One", the Demon Star; passionate; intense; hysterical. A pulsating double-star also associated with extreme creativity; an expression of the Dark Side... More on Caput Algol.
Here's what you get for early Leo,Talitha
quote:Quiet, prudent, suspicious, mistrustful, self-controlled, great anger when roused; control of wild animals
But my brain and the rest of me rarely go in the same direction lol. Thanks so much!
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