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T O P I C R E V I E WDiandraReborn25well i was seeing the Sabian+s descriptions and i linked them with my Spiritual asteroids placements.Some people here might have noticed how different i am now,since i came first to LL,aproximatelly 4 years ago...Since last March 2009 that ive been developing my own spiritual side,and ive been searching for my own Truths ( the ones that come within) and so,this also had led me torwards a desconstruction of all the things that no longer work)ed) for me.TROPICAL (suited to delineate the individual's experience at a personality level, and to be able to perceive the life purpose of the present incarnation)im a Virgo sun with Cap IC and Aries DSC.my moon is in Taurus.I seem mostly Earthy...but that is if i look at myself by a tropical perspective only.But if i want to look at myself from another point/perspective of consciousness, i must look at the HEliocentric ZOdiac.THIS is the one that symbolizes one's Christ Consciousness, or one's Higher Self."This chart, without a Sunposition, operates at a level of reality where there is no individual ego, but only one's Higher Selfserving a larger purpose, such as Love, Truth or Beauty. REPRESENTS ALL that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operatingfrom pure Spirit."sO WHILE I Was operating under the Tropical perspective only,i was simply experiencing Life through a personality´s approach.From the moment that i decided to pursuit and open myself into the mysteries of teh Soul,i could start to expand my awarenes,and that passes exactly by the process of LETTING GO of the EGO ( and so i could start living by serving my Higher Purpose in Light/love/beauty) just like Helio shows:HELIO:IM A eath/moon/Venus in Piscesearth/moon SABIAN"ILLUMINATED BY A SHAFT OF LIGHT, A LARGE CROSS LIES ON ROCKS SURROUNDED BY SEA AND MIST"---Having faith and a positive end in sight, you can experience a spiritual awakening - reconnecting with your spiritual ideals. Concentrate on the "shaft of light" as this can show you that light is all around you. KEYWORDS:Renewed dedication after loss. Looking for signs of recovery and hope. Coming to terms with loss or failure. Important and substantial sacrifices. The Caution: Losing faith. Hopes completely dashed. Unable to see through the fog. VENUS SABIAN"AN AVIATOR IN THE CLOUDS"---There is a need to transcend difficulties, just be aware that you may not be seeing the complete picture very clearly at the moment. If you take special notice, you may be able to see through illusions, seeing past the surface appearances to things that others miss. You may be able to rely on your creative or intellectual skills to take you above and beyond your current situation..."DiandraReborn25I LOOKED INTO THE SPIRITUAL ASTEROIDS...ALMAAURAANGELAKASHIASBOLUSDNACELESTIACELESTIA is cj my EATH/MOON in 0ºorb..AURA is 3 taurus"THE POT OF GOLD AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW"--Connect your inner thoughts with your rational conscious so that you can communicate the feelings you wish to share. Like the rainbow, it is not the elusive pot of gold at its end, but the wonder it creates as it links heaven and earth. Rewards will come from creative efforts. AKHASHI is cj KIRON IN 1GEMKIRON 29TAU"Tradition feeding ego-centered attraction. Splendor. Etiquette. Gardening and enjoying the environment for its beauty and its nature. Wealth"AKSHAHI 1 GEM"A NERVOUS GENTLEMAN, DRESSED IN AN ELABORATE SANTA CLAUSE COSTUME, IS FILLING CHRISTMAS STOCKINGS FURTIVELY"So kiron´s theme in my Soul is related to feeding the Ego,by giving importante to appearances,and just enjoying life by wanting to be center of attentiion,witht the risk attatched of sacrificing integrity to display sucess..Akashi stands itself by achieving the knowledge from all our Soul´s past life experiences...the sabian stands for giving/receiving Gifts with gracious.stands for accepting the Gifts/rewards that are coming,without false pretenses.AND to GIVE to others with generosity,with lOVE.Without really wanting rewards for it.ANGEL 9 CANCER ( cj my bf´s trop NN)"AN AIRPLANE DIVES TOWARD THE EARTH AS THOUGH FALLING""Your situation may seem to be heading for disaster, but perhaps you can be in control and at the right moment, you'll be able to save the day. The question is: do you really have the controls? Are you, or is someone else, actively working against the best interests? Imagine yourself regaining control, physical, mentally, emotional or spiritually and pull yourself out of the nose dive. Plunging into experiences and situations without thought of the ramifications. If you become conscious of what you are doing you may be protected (and saved) at the last moment. The Caution: Refusing to help yourself even though disaster is imminent. Free falls, defying gravity and defying the consequences."sO...i can really tap inside with myself,and reconect with my Guardian Angels,at a Sou Level,when i gain control over my own perspectives in Life.it was what i did started doing from the moment i aknowledged that im the only one responsible for my Life.nothing or anyone outside myself is...to be sincere,im now much more in tune with my Guardian Angels...they send me signs all the time DiandraReborn25IMAGINE THAT...I HAVE SPEKTICUS CJ NESSUS IN 6-7 LEO! NESSUS 6 LEO"THE WONDER OF THE CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS IN THE NIGHT SKY""The bigger questions are likely to be in your mind. Even simple issues should be seen against the background of something greater. We sometimes feel like a tiny speck when we consider how huge the universe is. But we are an important part, all a star in our own right. Keeping this in mind helps to keep our lives in perspective. Reminders of the patterns, integration and enormity of nature. The big picture. Observing signatures. Astronomy and astrology. The Caution: Ignoring down-to-earth issues. Missing small details. Only being amazed by the huge things and not seeing the wonder of the small things in life."SEKPTIKUS 7 LEO"AN ACTIVIST IS STIRRING UP DISCONTENT BY SPREADING HIS REVOLUTIONARY IDEALS "Unwavering and unbending intellect. Burning passions. Revolutionary ideals. Change for the sake of change. Standing on a soapbox. The Caution: Political brainwashing or finding things to be dissatisfied with. Extremism. Religious or political fundamentalists.AURA IS CJ MY NEPTUNE...OF COURSE!AURA 2 CAP"THE HUMAN SOUL, IN ITS EAGERNESS FOR NEW EXPERIENCES, SEEKS EMBODIMENT "You may feel open and receptive to the messages of the world around you. This is a quiet time of inner contemplation and outer observance. Regardless of your more immediate, physical circumstances, there is an evolution of understanding going on. Unbounded enthusiasm is likely to be around. It may be useful to keep a diary or to write things down. Some extraordinary event is likely to be imminent. Inner motivation leading to expansion. Being "born again". Manifesting one's desires. Writing. Expressing one's self. Reincarnation. "....tHIS IS....Sooky and amazing at the same time....i see a pattern here....and im totally understanding it...nothing is coincidence...all it is a synchro in itself!DDDiandra,I hear and understand you; yet, I swear, If I hear anyone using the word EGO one more time in such a context, I`m going to scream. It`s just such an overused word.Also, there is no way anyone living can completely let go of Ego. Not possible. Ego in the original sense of the word only means: "I", and is the term to describe your identity. It answers the question: What dou see as "I", what do you identify with?And as long as you are alive, you have an Ego, an identity, a personality.Only when you are dying and ascending to the pure spiritual sphere, you may leave your Ego behind.What I think we need to detach from is a certain egocentrism or even egotism; the notion that our way / path / truth is the only right one and the one valid for everyone else on earth.So I guess what I am saying is that we have to stop projection our Ego onto the world, and gain awareness of how we operate from our own perspective and judging others from this perspective.I think the awareness of this helps us stepping back from an OVEREMPHASIS of our Ego, in the way that we push our thoughts, ideas, truth onto anyone around us.But even if we take back this behaviour, it doesn`t mean that we do not have an Ego anymore (this is just not possible); I guess we are just stopping acting from a place of selfdefense or agression or selfishness, which can be the ugly face of Ego. THAT is what we have to take back and letting go of, but not the identity / personality itself.Anyway, this is an intriguing idea with the Sabians and also your choice of asteroids. So I am doing it for myself:Alma: 28 AriesThe Music Of The Spheres- one of my favourite Sabian degrees. It also has relation to astrology.AURA on 24 AriesThe Possibility For Man To Gain Experience At Two Levels Of BeingCHIRON on 22 AriesA Pregnant Woman In Light Summer DressANGEL on 2 Sagittarius(exact conjunct tropical Amor and also conjunct tropical Skepticus - probably whenever I tap into Amor, unconditional love as well as skeptisism, I connect to my angels or Higher SElf. So I guess love as well as skepticism IS a very integral part for me and the path into spirituality).Two Men Playing Chessconjunct Atlantis on 0 SagittariusRetired Army Veterans Gather To Reawaken Old MemoriesAKASHI on 15 LeoThe Storm Ended, All Nature Rejoices In Brilliant SunshineASBOLUS on 12 LeoAn Old Sea Captain Rocking Himself On The Porch Of His CottageDNA exact conjunct MUSA on 1 LibraThe Transmutation Of The Fruits Of Past Experiences Into The Seed-Realizations Of The Forever Creative SpiritPSYCHE On 13 PiscesA Lady Wrapped In A Large Stole Of Fox FurCELESTIA on 14 PiscesAn Officer Instructing His Men Before A Simulated Assault Under A Barrage Of Live ShellsURANIA on 15 Pisces (muse of astrology and astronomy among others)In The Quiet Of His Study A Creative Individual Experiences A Flow Of InspirationPHOLUS on 9 PiscesAn Aviator Pursues His Journey, Flying Through Ground-Obscuring CloudsJUPITER on 22 PiscesA "Materializing" Medium Giving A SeanceSCEPTIKUS on 23 ScorpioAfter Having Heard An Inspired Individual Deliver His "Sermon On The Mount," Crowds Are Returning HomeMARS on 22 ScorpioA Rabbit Metamorphoses Into A Nature SpritEARTH / MOON on 25 GeminiFrost-Covered Trees Against Winter SkiesNESSUS on 28 GeminiThe First Mockingbird Of SpringURANUS On 28 LibraMankind's Vast And Enduring Effort To Reach For Knowledge Transferable From Generation To GenerationVENUS on 19 CapricornA Hidden Choir Is Singing During A Religious ServiceDiandraReborn25DDyou said not to talk about Ego hihihihiso i won´t ....just saying that it is not possible to let go of it completely,but like you said,we can become more generous,loving,compassionate if we learn to separate the Ego´s selfishess processes from out behaviour.Have you ever red the Conversations with God?there it talks about the 4 mechanisms that Ego uses to draw attentions over ourselves.it is quite uncounscious but it is possible that once we´re aware of what are our own+s,then we can also let go of them.it is in that sense,that i talk of the E-WORD about the sabians-did you felt identified with those?DDI agree with this definition of EGO. We have to bring it to consciousness.DiandraReborn25DDYEs!by bringing all the e-mechanisms to the surface,the e will not have the power over you anymore ( i say you but it is me and everyone else..)it is like,to win over it,we must first aknowlege it and its processes,so that when in our behaviour,we start doing the e-again,we say "HEY!!!you´re not who I AM,you´re just that nagging little voice who wants to trap me in"..and so we have the power to change the pattern behaviour i found some links which are underlining what i was trying to say about the E WORd. http://www.fromthestars.com/page119.html http://thefastingpath.com/lessons/my-conversation-with-god http://www.holisticlearningcenter.com/conversations-with-god.html http://www.peace.ca/conversationswithgod2.htm this last link is specially useful.it is in my favorites and has all the important parts of the book.and this is one of the best...descriptions of what the word E is....at least for me. http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm DiandraReborn25Helio --- Tropical Christ Counsciousness --- perceiving Life´s purpose of the present incarnation- eARTH/Moon/CELESTIA opose my Sun 0º- VENUS opose my Sun 3º- FANTASIA opose my Venus/Atlantis- ALMAcj my POM (this tells me that im in deeper toutch with my own Soul,whenever im fully,lovingly and deeply committed torwards my partner- KIRON cj my Alma:there is some wound/healing process needed in order for me to better experience my Soul´s journey in this lifetime- AKHASHI cj my kiron:so it is through healing itself that i can tap into my past life experience of the Soul- MARS cj my ANGEL:it is through channelling with my Guardian Angels in this lifetime that i can tap into my real energy/forces.- NESSUS/SKEPTICUS cj my Nessus tight and my Mars in 3ºorb...somehow i might have in my uncounscious,burried memories of an emotional abuse of some kind that is translated into this same lifetime.envolves the process of spekticism...?- ASBOLUS is cj my ASBOLUS: i wonder if it is an usual aspect?- JUPITER is cj my ALMA nad FELICITAS i see this is as through my journeys torwards soul´s knowledge ia,i find not only happiness,but also i discover the true expansion,awareness,luckyness in life.- AURA cj IC: so it is easy for me to tap into my own Aura,when im intune with my deepest Self. ( seems natural...)-MERCURY is opose my ANGEL:so...i can access to the thought process´s of my Superior Higher Self,whenever im in tune with my Guardian Angels...?- PLUTO cj Tyche:somehow it is fortunate to me in this current encarnation,that i tap into the powerful foces of Pluto..?- ANGEL is cj EROS:WOW how do i see this one?Hmmm it migh also be trhough sex and erotic energies,that i achieve a Higher Conection with the angelic spirits?afterall...dont kundalini energies possibilitates us to reach a nirvana?some say that nirvana is just a knowledge of HOW ALL IS and of the Greatest Peaceit is a nice thought.-DNA is cj my Osiris:maybe in this lifetime i need to exercite some of the yang energies,to know myself better,in a spiritual way.- DDAlma: 28 Ariesopposing my tropical Union- relationship may prove challenging, but are a way to get in touch with my soul?AURA on 24 Ariesopposing tropical Sappho and Babylon and Babel.Hmm, thinking .... thinking...CHIRON on 22 Ariesconjunct tropical Chiron- wounding and healing is close to each other?ANGEL on 2 Sagittariusexact conjunct tropical Amor and also conjunct tropical Skepticus - probably whenever I tap into Amor, unconditional love as well as skeptisism, I connect to my angels or Higher SElf. So I guess love as well as skepticism IS a very integral part for me and the path into spirituality.It also conjuncts Mars on 5 Sag and Valentine on 29 Scorpio.So tropical Amor and Valentine - maybe my love in this life will be "heaven sent"?PSYCHE On 13 Piscesconjunct JupiterBy being tolerant, expansive and tapping into my very instincts (Jupiter as chartruler) I connect to my higher intuition?CELESTIA on 14 PiscesURANIA on 15 Pisces conjunct tropical JunoAgain a sign that relationships on this plane will get me into touch with my Higher nature I guessPHOLUS on 9 Piscesconjunct Ceres and JupiterNurturing, caring and benevolence will bring deep transformations into my life, and the ability to cross the borders between two realms?URANUS On 28 Libraconjunct tropical Union and AdonisVENUS on 19 Capricornconjunct tropical Antivertex and Sun-Moon-mp, opposing Eros and SaturnMmhhh.DiandraReborn25DDsounds interesting to me.dont you feel identified?Alma/Union .oposition isnt necessarily negative i think.w see that as through relationships,you do really get intune with your SoulAura/babylon/sapphro/babelhmmm maybe by researching about this specific past life of yours,will help you discover more about your aura/energetic Self?and also sapprho there means sex?kiron/kiron:hmmm through the processes of wouding/healing in this lifetime,you will be able to know what are or were also your Soul´s Wounds?the ones that are burried inside,and that we can only tap when looking within?angel/amor/skepticus. that is why you´re more skeptical than me and that does you well.you feel good and closed to your Guardian Angels,whenever you put some skepticism as well as uncondicional love as a perspecttive in Lifeangel/mars/valentine: WOW!!!I LOVE THIS ONE! i see it like you see it.your true love will not only be Heaven Sent but also a sort of an "angel" in your life?Psyche/jup:yup!Celestia/Urania/Juno: yes this seems like a pattern.hmm urania dont it stand for astrology?maybe your comitted partner will have something to do with it? pholus/ceres jupiter: yes.i see it like that too.it is a very nice aspect indeed.uranus/union adonis: hmm ideal man relates to a committed relationship in your life.that connects with uranus the planet of unpredictability,sudden changes.Maybe this person,will provoque sudden changes within your Higher Self?have you seen the sabians?venus/antivx/sun.moon mp/eros saturn:responsability in life ,karmic events and also erotic energies sometimes can be at odds with what your Soul needs romantically?LaraALMA 20-21 deg ScorpioObeying His Conscience, A Soldier Resists OrdersAURA 19-20 deg AquariusA Large White Dove Bearing A MessageANGEL 9-10 deg LibraHaving Passed Through Narrow Rapids, A Canoe Reaches Calm WatersAKASHI 27-28 deg PiscesA Fertile Garden Under The Full Moon Reveals A Variety Of Full-Grown VegetablesASBOLUS 0-1 deg Leo cj LUST exactBlood Rushes To A Man's Head As His Vital Energies Are Mobilized Under The Spur Of AmbitionDNA 19-20 deg PiscesA Table Set For An Evening MealCELESTIA 19-20 deg CancerVenetian Gondoliers Giving A SerenadeCHIRON 1-2 deg AriesA Comedian Reveals Human Natureand my favVENUS 21-22 deg AriesThe Gate To The Garden Of All Fulfilled DesiresI haven't bothered to look at conjunctions that aren't on the same sabian. Is there any point? BYW i agree about the overuse of the word EGO but i have to disagree about EGO only being let go of when we die. It is perfectly possible to lose ones EGO whilst living! Look at ancient tribes and those now ascending to the 5th dimension, which isn't possible with "ego".DiandraReborn25Larathose who manage to let go , indeed are very special.not for everyone,that is for sure,it is one of the most difficult things in life that we can attempt.at least i didnt managed it yet hihihihiWhat do you think when you see your Helio sabians?did you compare to your tropical?i only looked at tight cj with tropical.i found this to be very enlightening for me.Laraoh shucks, are these mean to be helio? I did my tropical ones lolok so i need to do all of these in helio? Makes sense... and then compare to tropical on same degrees/conjuncts? I'm slow tonight, sorry.. full moon is getting to me. xLaraOK HELIO!!!VENUS 0-1 deg Aries cj N CHIRONA Woman Just Risen From The Sea; A Seal Is Embracing HerEARTH/MOON 6-7 deg Scorpio cj KARMA/JUNO and OPP SUNDeep-Sea DiversALMA 14-15 deg ScorpioChildren Playing Around Five Mounds Of SandAURA 2-3 deg Aquarius cj INNANENA Deserter From The NavyANGEL 16-17 deg LibraA Retired Sea Captain Watches Ships Entering And Leaving The HarborAKASHI 14-15 deg PiscesAn Officer Instructing His Men Before A Simulated Assault Under A Barrage Of Live ShellsASBOLUS 2-3 deg Leo cj LUST/TALENTA Middle-Aged Woman, Her Long Hair Flowing Over Her Shoulders And In A Braless Youthful GarmentDNA 0-1 deg Pisces cj GROOMIn A Crowded Marketplace Farmers And Middlemen Display A Great Variety Of ProductsCELESTIA 12-13 deg LeoAn Old Sea Captain Rocking Himself On The Porch Of His Cottagehmmm they are all about the sea!! DiandraReborn25Larayou´re right! how odd!what might than signify?IQ must see that,he is the expert with sabians and pretty much else everything hihihihLaraWeird huh?Maybe I'm a mermaid absolutely bizarre and yet they seem to be telling me something. I do have a deep love for the sea. I find it the most peaceful place on earth and I respect its power completely. It has almost taken my life too.karenadeletediQNice thread on the application of Heliocentric Charts.In my experience with Heliocentric Charts, the first major lesson is to look at aspect changes, like if Mercury is conjunct Venus in the Tropical, then Helio is the only chart that can have Mercury opposed or square Venus. Meditating on Heliocentric aspects, and Sabians of objects is compulsory, to get the real essence.Meditation is the surest way to feel our Superconscious State.I would also suggest looking into Asteroid LOGOS, as that is more relevant for individual growth than a general Asteroid like AKASHI [which BTW is the closest in name frequency to Askashic Records].QuinnieAura is at 10 Taurus... A woman watering flowers in her gardenAlma at 4 VirgoA man becoming aware of nature spirits and normally unseen spiritual agenciesCelestia at 18 TaurusA new continent rising out of the OceanAngel at 12 ScorpioAn inventor performs a laboratory experimentAkashi at 28 VirgoA seeker after occult knowledge is reading an ancient scroll which illumines his mindAsbolus at 28 CancerA Greek muse weighing newborn twins in Golden ScalesDNA at 25 AquariusA Garage man testing a car battery with a hydrometerPsyche at 8 Taurus A fully decorated Christmas treeMust write back later!Quinnieoops I think I might have done the wrong thing...Are you using heliocentric tropical or heliocentric sideral?DDI still disagree about being able letting go of EGO while being alive.As long as you`re here on earth, you`ll identify yourself with certain traits, even if it may be spiritual ones.The moment you say: I am ascending to 5th dimension, there still is Ego at play, or you wouldn`t be able to say: I.The only living people on earth who do not have an Ego are children up to the age, they recognize themselves as individuals (the mirror-test).Anyway, Lara, cool Sabians. DDDiandra,"lso sapprho there means sex?"Yes, and probably artistic ( poetic) things, too. Sappho was a great poetress after all. And a very independent woman.She was mainly concerned with art/ poetry, love and beauty and of course passion, but the artistically refined kind.Since she is conjunct my Musa and DNA, this symbol seems to be a part of myself. I guess them being in Libra is fitting, too."uranus/union adonis: hmm ideal man relates to a committed relationship in your life.that connects with uranus the planet of unpredictability,sudden changes.Maybe this person,will provoque sudden changes within your Higher Self?have you seen the sabians?"Yes, that could be.Sabian of helio Uranus:Mankind's Vast And Enduring Effort To Reach For Knowledge Transferable From Generation To GenerationSabian of tropical AdonisA Man Becoming Aware Of Spiritual Forces Surrounding And Assisting HimSabian of tropical UnionThree Mounds Of Knowledge On A Philosopher's Head"venus/antivx/sun.moon mp/eros saturn:responsability in life ,karmic events and also erotic energies sometimes can be at odds with what your Soul needs romantically?"Why do you interprete the oppositions as negative in this instance? I am just curious cause you applied a different weighing to it in the Alma-Union opposition.Anyway, I think if an opposition involves Saturn it indeed may be challenging. As I see it: me blocking myself from erotic energies in this incarnation, keeps me apart from discovering my own most truthful feminity (helio Venus) and even from a higher love.DDJust for the sake of clarification.This is the definition of Ego:"e·go (g, g)n. pl. e·gos 1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.2. In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.3. a. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.b. Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem."I was talking mainly about point 1 (and maybe to some degree point 2) of the definition.Regarding point 3 (a) I think it is possible and desireable to let go of this
Some people here might have noticed how different i am now,since i came first to LL,aproximatelly 4 years ago...
Since last March 2009 that ive been developing my own spiritual side,and ive been searching for my own Truths ( the ones that come within) and so,this also had led me torwards a desconstruction of all the things that no longer work)ed) for me.
TROPICAL (suited to delineate the individual's experience at a personality level, and to be able to perceive the life purpose of the present incarnation)
im a Virgo sun with Cap IC and Aries DSC.
my moon is in Taurus.
I seem mostly Earthy...but that is if i look at myself by a tropical perspective only.
But if i want to look at myself from another point/perspective of consciousness, i must look at the HEliocentric ZOdiac.
THIS is the one that symbolizes one's Christ Consciousness, or one's Higher Self.
"This chart, without a Sunposition, operates at a level of reality where there is no individual ego, but only one's Higher Selfserving a larger purpose, such as Love, Truth or Beauty.
REPRESENTS ALL that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operatingfrom pure Spirit."
sO WHILE I Was operating under the Tropical perspective only,i was simply experiencing Life through a personality´s approach.
From the moment that i decided to pursuit and open myself into the mysteries of teh Soul,i could start to expand my awarenes,and that passes exactly by the process of LETTING GO of the EGO ( and so i could start living by serving my Higher Purpose in Light/love/beauty) just like Helio shows:
HELIO:
IM A eath/moon/Venus in Pisces
earth/moon SABIAN
"ILLUMINATED BY A SHAFT OF LIGHT, A LARGE CROSS LIES ON ROCKS SURROUNDED BY SEA AND MIST"
---Having faith and a positive end in sight, you can experience a spiritual awakening - reconnecting with your spiritual ideals. Concentrate on the "shaft of light" as this can show you that light is all around you.
KEYWORDS:Renewed dedication after loss. Looking for signs of recovery and hope. Coming to terms with loss or failure. Important and substantial sacrifices. The Caution: Losing faith. Hopes completely dashed. Unable to see through the fog.
VENUS SABIAN
"AN AVIATOR IN THE CLOUDS"
---There is a need to transcend difficulties, just be aware that you may not be seeing the complete picture very clearly at the moment. If you take special notice, you may be able to see through illusions, seeing past the surface appearances to things that others miss. You may be able to rely on your creative or intellectual skills to take you above and beyond your current situation..."
ALMAAURAANGELAKASHIASBOLUSDNACELESTIA
CELESTIA is cj my EATH/MOON in 0ºorb..
AURA is 3 taurus
"THE POT OF GOLD AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW"
--Connect your inner thoughts with your rational conscious so that you can communicate the feelings you wish to share. Like the rainbow, it is not the elusive pot of gold at its end, but the wonder it creates as it links heaven and earth. Rewards will come from creative efforts.
AKHASHI is cj KIRON IN 1GEM
KIRON 29TAU
"Tradition feeding ego-centered attraction. Splendor. Etiquette. Gardening and enjoying the environment for its beauty and its nature. Wealth"
AKSHAHI 1 GEM
"A NERVOUS GENTLEMAN, DRESSED IN AN ELABORATE SANTA CLAUSE COSTUME, IS FILLING CHRISTMAS STOCKINGS FURTIVELY"
So kiron´s theme in my Soul is related to feeding the Ego,by giving importante to appearances,and just enjoying life by wanting to be center of attentiion,witht the risk attatched of sacrificing integrity to display sucess..
Akashi stands itself by achieving the knowledge from all our Soul´s past life experiences...
the sabian stands for giving/receiving Gifts with gracious.stands for accepting the Gifts/rewards that are coming,without false pretenses.AND to GIVE to others with generosity,with lOVE.Without really wanting rewards for it.
ANGEL 9 CANCER ( cj my bf´s trop NN)
"AN AIRPLANE DIVES TOWARD THE EARTH AS THOUGH FALLING"
"Your situation may seem to be heading for disaster, but perhaps you can be in control and at the right moment, you'll be able to save the day. The question is: do you really have the controls? Are you, or is someone else, actively working against the best interests? Imagine yourself regaining control, physical, mentally, emotional or spiritually and pull yourself out of the nose dive. Plunging into experiences and situations without thought of the ramifications. If you become conscious of what you are doing you may be protected (and saved) at the last moment. The Caution: Refusing to help yourself even though disaster is imminent. Free falls, defying gravity and defying the consequences."
sO...i can really tap inside with myself,and reconect with my Guardian Angels,at a Sou Level,when i gain control over my own perspectives in Life.it was what i did started doing from the moment i aknowledged that im the only one responsible for my Life.nothing or anyone outside myself is...
to be sincere,im now much more in tune with my Guardian Angels...they send me signs all the time
NESSUS 6 LEO
"THE WONDER OF THE CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS IN THE NIGHT SKY"
"The bigger questions are likely to be in your mind. Even simple issues should be seen against the background of something greater. We sometimes feel like a tiny speck when we consider how huge the universe is. But we are an important part, all a star in our own right. Keeping this in mind helps to keep our lives in perspective. Reminders of the patterns, integration and enormity of nature. The big picture. Observing signatures. Astronomy and astrology. The Caution: Ignoring down-to-earth issues. Missing small details. Only being amazed by the huge things and not seeing the wonder of the small things in life."
SEKPTIKUS 7 LEO
"AN ACTIVIST IS STIRRING UP DISCONTENT BY SPREADING HIS REVOLUTIONARY IDEALS "
Unwavering and unbending intellect. Burning passions. Revolutionary ideals. Change for the sake of change. Standing on a soapbox. The Caution: Political brainwashing or finding things to be dissatisfied with. Extremism. Religious or political fundamentalists.
AURA IS CJ MY NEPTUNE...OF COURSE!
AURA 2 CAP
"THE HUMAN SOUL, IN ITS EAGERNESS FOR NEW EXPERIENCES, SEEKS EMBODIMENT "
You may feel open and receptive to the messages of the world around you. This is a quiet time of inner contemplation and outer observance. Regardless of your more immediate, physical circumstances, there is an evolution of understanding going on. Unbounded enthusiasm is likely to be around. It may be useful to keep a diary or to write things down. Some extraordinary event is likely to be imminent. Inner motivation leading to expansion. Being "born again". Manifesting one's desires. Writing. Expressing one's self. Reincarnation. "....tHIS IS....Sooky and amazing at the same time....
i see a pattern here....and im totally understanding it...nothing is coincidence...all it is a synchro in itself!
I hear and understand you; yet, I swear, If I hear anyone using the word EGO one more time in such a context, I`m going to scream.
It`s just such an overused word.
Also, there is no way anyone living can completely let go of Ego. Not possible. Ego in the original sense of the word only means: "I", and is the term to describe your identity. It answers the question: What dou see as "I", what do you identify with?And as long as you are alive, you have an Ego, an identity, a personality.Only when you are dying and ascending to the pure spiritual sphere, you may leave your Ego behind.
What I think we need to detach from is a certain egocentrism or even egotism; the notion that our way / path / truth is the only right one and the one valid for everyone else on earth.So I guess what I am saying is that we have to stop projection our Ego onto the world, and gain awareness of how we operate from our own perspective and judging others from this perspective.I think the awareness of this helps us stepping back from an OVEREMPHASIS of our Ego, in the way that we push our thoughts, ideas, truth onto anyone around us.But even if we take back this behaviour, it doesn`t mean that we do not have an Ego anymore (this is just not possible); I guess we are just stopping acting from a place of selfdefense or agression or selfishness, which can be the ugly face of Ego. THAT is what we have to take back and letting go of, but not the identity / personality itself.
Anyway, this is an intriguing idea with the Sabians and also your choice of asteroids.
So I am doing it for myself:
Alma: 28 AriesThe Music Of The Spheres
- one of my favourite Sabian degrees. It also has relation to astrology.
AURA on 24 AriesThe Possibility For Man To Gain Experience At Two Levels Of Being
CHIRON on 22 AriesA Pregnant Woman In Light Summer Dress
ANGEL on 2 Sagittarius(exact conjunct tropical Amor and also conjunct tropical Skepticus - probably whenever I tap into Amor, unconditional love as well as skeptisism, I connect to my angels or Higher SElf. So I guess love as well as skepticism IS a very integral part for me and the path into spirituality).
Two Men Playing Chess
conjunct Atlantis on 0 SagittariusRetired Army Veterans Gather To Reawaken Old MemoriesAKASHI on 15 LeoThe Storm Ended, All Nature Rejoices In Brilliant Sunshine
ASBOLUS on 12 LeoAn Old Sea Captain Rocking Himself On The Porch Of His Cottage
DNA exact conjunct MUSA on 1 LibraThe Transmutation Of The Fruits Of Past Experiences Into The Seed-Realizations Of The Forever Creative Spirit
PSYCHE On 13 PiscesA Lady Wrapped In A Large Stole Of Fox Fur
CELESTIA on 14 PiscesAn Officer Instructing His Men Before A Simulated Assault Under A Barrage Of Live Shells
URANIA on 15 Pisces (muse of astrology and astronomy among others)In The Quiet Of His Study A Creative Individual Experiences A Flow Of Inspiration
PHOLUS on 9 PiscesAn Aviator Pursues His Journey, Flying Through Ground-Obscuring Clouds
JUPITER on 22 PiscesA "Materializing" Medium Giving A Seance
SCEPTIKUS on 23 ScorpioAfter Having Heard An Inspired Individual Deliver His "Sermon On The Mount," Crowds Are Returning Home
MARS on 22 ScorpioA Rabbit Metamorphoses Into A Nature Sprit
EARTH / MOON on 25 GeminiFrost-Covered Trees Against Winter Skies
NESSUS on 28 GeminiThe First Mockingbird Of Spring
URANUS On 28 LibraMankind's Vast And Enduring Effort To Reach For Knowledge Transferable From Generation To Generation
VENUS on 19 CapricornA Hidden Choir Is Singing During A Religious Service
you said not to talk about Ego hihihihi
so i won´t ....just saying that it is not possible to let go of it completely,but like you said,we can become more generous,loving,compassionate if we learn to separate the Ego´s selfishess processes from out behaviour.
Have you ever red the Conversations with God?
there it talks about the 4 mechanisms that Ego uses to draw attentions over ourselves.it is quite uncounscious but it is possible that once we´re aware of what are our own+s,then we can also let go of them.
it is in that sense,that i talk of the E-WORD
about the sabians-did you felt identified with those?
YEs!by bringing all the e-mechanisms to the surface,the e will not have the power over you anymore ( i say you but it is me and everyone else..)
it is like,to win over it,we must first aknowlege it and its processes,so that when in our behaviour,we start doing the e-again,we say "HEY!!!you´re not who I AM,you´re just that nagging little voice who wants to trap me in"..and so we have the power to change the pattern behaviour
i found some links which are underlining what i was trying to say about the E WORd.
http://www.fromthestars.com/page119.html
http://thefastingpath.com/lessons/my-conversation-with-god
http://www.holisticlearningcenter.com/conversations-with-god.html
http://www.peace.ca/conversationswithgod2.htm
this last link is specially useful.it is in my favorites and has all the important parts of the book.
and this is one of the best...descriptions of what the word E is....at least for me. http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm
Christ Counsciousness --- perceiving Life´s purpose of the present incarnation
- eARTH/Moon/CELESTIA opose my Sun 0º- VENUS opose my Sun 3º- FANTASIA opose my Venus/Atlantis- ALMAcj my POM (this tells me that im in deeper toutch with my own Soul,whenever im fully,lovingly and deeply committed torwards my partner
- KIRON cj my Alma:there is some wound/healing process needed in order for me to better experience my Soul´s journey in this lifetime- AKHASHI cj my kiron:so it is through healing itself that i can tap into my past life experience of the Soul- MARS cj my ANGEL:it is through channelling with my Guardian Angels in this lifetime that i can tap into my real energy/forces.- NESSUS/SKEPTICUS cj my Nessus tight and my Mars in 3ºorb...
somehow i might have in my uncounscious,burried memories of an emotional abuse of some kind that is translated into this same lifetime.envolves the process of spekticism...?
- ASBOLUS is cj my ASBOLUS: i wonder if it is an usual aspect?
- JUPITER is cj my ALMA nad FELICITAS i see this is as through my journeys torwards soul´s knowledge ia,i find not only happiness,but also i discover the true expansion,awareness,luckyness in life.
- AURA cj IC: so it is easy for me to tap into my own Aura,when im intune with my deepest Self. ( seems natural...)
-MERCURY is opose my ANGEL:so...i can access to the thought process´s of my Superior Higher Self,whenever im in tune with my Guardian Angels...?
- PLUTO cj Tyche:somehow it is fortunate to me in this current encarnation,that i tap into the powerful foces of Pluto..?
- ANGEL is cj EROS:WOW how do i see this one?Hmmm it migh also be trhough sex and erotic energies,that i achieve a Higher Conection with the angelic spirits?afterall...dont kundalini energies possibilitates us to reach a nirvana?some say that nirvana is just a knowledge of HOW ALL IS and of the Greatest Peace
it is a nice thought.
-DNA is cj my Osiris:maybe in this lifetime i need to exercite some of the yang energies,to know myself better,in a spiritual way.
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AURA on 24 Ariesopposing tropical Sappho and Babylon and Babel.Hmm, thinking .... thinking...
CHIRON on 22 Ariesconjunct tropical Chiron- wounding and healing is close to each other?
ANGEL on 2 Sagittariusexact conjunct tropical Amor and also conjunct tropical Skepticus - probably whenever I tap into Amor, unconditional love as well as skeptisism, I connect to my angels or Higher SElf. So I guess love as well as skepticism IS a very integral part for me and the path into spirituality.
It also conjuncts Mars on 5 Sag and Valentine on 29 Scorpio.So tropical Amor and Valentine - maybe my love in this life will be "heaven sent"?
PSYCHE On 13 Piscesconjunct JupiterBy being tolerant, expansive and tapping into my very instincts (Jupiter as chartruler) I connect to my higher intuition?
CELESTIA on 14 PiscesURANIA on 15 Pisces conjunct tropical JunoAgain a sign that relationships on this plane will get me into touch with my Higher nature I guess
PHOLUS on 9 Piscesconjunct Ceres and JupiterNurturing, caring and benevolence will bring deep transformations into my life, and the ability to cross the borders between two realms?
URANUS On 28 Libraconjunct tropical Union and Adonis
VENUS on 19 Capricornconjunct tropical Antivertex and Sun-Moon-mp, opposing Eros and Saturn
Mmhhh.
sounds interesting to me.dont you feel identified?
Alma/Union .oposition isnt necessarily negative i think.w see that as through relationships,you do really get intune with your Soul
Aura/babylon/sapphro/babel
hmmm maybe by researching about this specific past life of yours,will help you discover more about your aura/energetic Self?and also sapprho there means sex?
kiron/kiron:hmmm through the processes of wouding/healing in this lifetime,you will be able to know what are or were also your Soul´s Wounds?the ones that are burried inside,and that we can only tap when looking within?
angel/amor/skepticus. that is why you´re more skeptical than me and that does you well.you feel good and closed to your Guardian Angels,whenever you put some skepticism as well as uncondicional love as a perspecttive in Life
angel/mars/valentine: WOW!!!I LOVE THIS ONE! i see it like you see it.your true love will not only be Heaven Sent but also a sort of an "angel" in your life?
Psyche/jup:yup!
Celestia/Urania/Juno: yes this seems like a pattern.hmm urania dont it stand for astrology?maybe your comitted partner will have something to do with it?
pholus/ceres jupiter: yes.i see it like that too.it is a very nice aspect indeed.
uranus/union adonis: hmm ideal man relates to a committed relationship in your life.that connects with uranus the planet of unpredictability,sudden changes.Maybe this person,will provoque sudden changes within your Higher Self?have you seen the sabians?
venus/antivx/sun.moon mp/eros saturn:
responsability in life ,karmic events and also erotic energies sometimes can be at odds with what your Soul needs romantically?
AURA 19-20 deg AquariusA Large White Dove Bearing A Message
ANGEL 9-10 deg LibraHaving Passed Through Narrow Rapids, A Canoe Reaches Calm Waters
AKASHI 27-28 deg PiscesA Fertile Garden Under The Full Moon Reveals A Variety Of Full-Grown Vegetables
ASBOLUS 0-1 deg Leo cj LUST exactBlood Rushes To A Man's Head As His Vital Energies Are Mobilized Under The Spur Of Ambition
DNA 19-20 deg PiscesA Table Set For An Evening Meal
CELESTIA 19-20 deg CancerVenetian Gondoliers Giving A Serenade
CHIRON 1-2 deg AriesA Comedian Reveals Human Nature
and my favVENUS 21-22 deg AriesThe Gate To The Garden Of All Fulfilled Desires
I haven't bothered to look at conjunctions that aren't on the same sabian. Is there any point?
BYW i agree about the overuse of the word EGO but i have to disagree about EGO only being let go of when we die. It is perfectly possible to lose ones EGO whilst living! Look at ancient tribes and those now ascending to the 5th dimension, which isn't possible with "ego".
those who manage to let go , indeed are very special.
not for everyone,that is for sure,it is one of the most difficult things in life that we can attempt.at least i didnt managed it yet hihihihi
What do you think when you see your Helio sabians?did you compare to your tropical?
i only looked at tight cj with tropical.
i found this to be very enlightening for me.
ok so i need to do all of these in helio? Makes sense... and then compare to tropical on same degrees/conjuncts? I'm slow tonight, sorry.. full moon is getting to me. x
VENUS 0-1 deg Aries cj N CHIRONA Woman Just Risen From The Sea; A Seal Is Embracing Her
EARTH/MOON 6-7 deg Scorpio cj KARMA/JUNO and OPP SUNDeep-Sea Divers
ALMA 14-15 deg ScorpioChildren Playing Around Five Mounds Of Sand
AURA 2-3 deg Aquarius cj INNANENA Deserter From The Navy
ANGEL 16-17 deg LibraA Retired Sea Captain Watches Ships Entering And Leaving The Harbor
AKASHI 14-15 deg PiscesAn Officer Instructing His Men Before A Simulated Assault Under A Barrage Of Live Shells
ASBOLUS 2-3 deg Leo cj LUST/TALENTA Middle-Aged Woman, Her Long Hair Flowing Over Her Shoulders And In A Braless Youthful Garment
DNA 0-1 deg Pisces cj GROOMIn A Crowded Marketplace Farmers And Middlemen Display A Great Variety Of Products
CELESTIA 12-13 deg LeoAn Old Sea Captain Rocking Himself On The Porch Of His Cottage
hmmm they are all about the sea!!
you´re right! how odd!what might than signify?
IQ must see that,he is the expert with sabians and pretty much else everything hihihih
Maybe I'm a mermaid
absolutely bizarre and yet they seem to be telling me something. I do have a deep love for the sea. I find it the most peaceful place on earth and I respect its power completely. It has almost taken my life too.
I would also suggest looking into Asteroid LOGOS, as that is more relevant for individual growth than a general Asteroid like AKASHI [which BTW is the closest in name frequency to Askashic Records].
Alma at 4 VirgoA man becoming aware of nature spirits and normally unseen spiritual agencies
Celestia at 18 TaurusA new continent rising out of the Ocean
Angel at 12 ScorpioAn inventor performs a laboratory experiment
Akashi at 28 VirgoA seeker after occult knowledge is reading an ancient scroll which illumines his mind
Asbolus at 28 CancerA Greek muse weighing newborn twins in Golden Scales
DNA at 25 AquariusA Garage man testing a car battery with a hydrometer
Psyche at 8 Taurus A fully decorated Christmas tree
Must write back later!
Anyway, Lara, cool Sabians.
"lso sapprho there means sex?"Yes, and probably artistic ( poetic) things, too. Sappho was a great poetress after all. And a very independent woman.She was mainly concerned with art/ poetry, love and beauty and of course passion, but the artistically refined kind.Since she is conjunct my Musa and DNA, this symbol seems to be a part of myself. I guess them being in Libra is fitting, too.
"uranus/union adonis: hmm ideal man relates to a committed relationship in your life.that connects with uranus the planet of unpredictability,sudden changes.Maybe this person,will provoque sudden changes within your Higher Self?have you seen the sabians?"Yes, that could be.
Sabian of helio Uranus:Mankind's Vast And Enduring Effort To Reach For Knowledge Transferable From Generation To Generation
Sabian of tropical AdonisA Man Becoming Aware Of Spiritual Forces Surrounding And Assisting Him
Sabian of tropical UnionThree Mounds Of Knowledge On A Philosopher's Head
"venus/antivx/sun.moon mp/eros saturn:
responsability in life ,karmic events and also erotic energies sometimes can be at odds with what your Soul needs romantically?"
Why do you interprete the oppositions as negative in this instance? I am just curious cause you applied a different weighing to it in the Alma-Union opposition.
Anyway, I think if an opposition involves Saturn it indeed may be challenging. As I see it: me blocking myself from erotic energies in this incarnation, keeps me apart from discovering my own most truthful feminity (helio Venus) and even from a higher love.
This is the definition of Ego:
"e·go (g, g)n. pl. e·gos 1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.2. In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.3. a. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.b. Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem."
I was talking mainly about point 1 (and maybe to some degree point 2) of the definition.
Regarding point 3 (a) I think it is possible and desireable to let go of this
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