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T O P I C R E V I E WhodadI was wondering what the difference is between Fortuna and the Part of Fortune.I have Sun conjunct Venus,Lilith,Pandora and Fortuna in Cancer in the 10th house---and the Part of Fortune in Libra in the 2nd house.I thought they were both about luck and good fortune in general,I was just wondering how they are different and how these placements would manifest---Thanks! I know that one is an asteroid and the other an arabic part,I mainly want to know what is the difference in their astrological meaning and how they manifest.What would be the difference between having your Sun conjunct Fortuna or having the Sun conjunct Part of Fortune in terms of an astrological interpretation?GlaucusHouses can be viewed from the Part of Fortune aka Lot of Fortune known as lot houses. In traditional Astrology, the Part of Fortune was viewed like another Ascendant. It's major point. Whole Sign Houses were used.In modern Astrology, it's a minor point. Whole Signs are not used.Part of Fortune is created from the longitudes of the Sun,Moon,and Ascendant. Therefore, it naturally is an important point. It's derived from the big 3. http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm http://www.cafeastrology.com/partoffortune.html Raymond------------------"Nothing matters absolutely;the truth is it only matters relatively"- Eckhart TollehodadHi thanks for the response.I read the description for the Part of Fortune.I still don't understand what the difference is between the two as far as their astrological significance.How would you interpret Part of Fortune conjunct the Sun as opposed to the-asteroid Fortuna conjunct the Sun,which I have----iQPOF is very important because it is calculated using the big 3: Asc, Sun and Moon of your chart. It can be considered as the point in your chart where you have the highest probability of feeling the most fortunate.FORTUNA is an Asteroid that is named after the Roman goddess of Good Luck. Sun conjunct FORTUNA will make you far luckier than others, unless you choose to mentally Self-Sabotage that luck by thinking negatively.A native with Sun conj Fortuna, if he considers the glass as Half Full, then a pretty girl will fill his glass to the top for him. Other optimists without this aspect will happily quench their thirst with the half full glass. The pessimist who considers the glass half empty, he will never be able to quench his thirst. A pessimist with Sun conj Fortuna will also be thirsty but he wont accidentally break the glass....------------------ http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html ReadingsGlaucusThere is definitelly a big difference between the asteroid, Fortuna and the Part of Fortuneaccording to Robert Hand's article:according to this link http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm that I already posted in my response:As I have said, the Part of Fortune is a primary indicator of prosperity, but it is more than that. It is created out of the longitudes of the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant, and therefore is composed out of the three of the most important places in the chart (only the Midheaven outside of these three is as important) and as a result becomes as important as they are. In modern astrology there is a tendency to regard the Part of Fortune as a minor point in the chart, but this was not the case with ancient astrology.In ancient astrology the Ascendant is the primary indicator of the physical body and health. The Moon is also a very important secondary indicator about the body. But there is a difference between them. The Ascendant was considered to be the body at its most physical, material level. The Moon was the living aspect of the body, in fact soul, but soul incarnated in a physical body. The Part of Fortune, being composed of both of these along with the Sun, is also an indicator of the living, physical body and its relationships with the physical and social world in which the native lives. Its capacity to signify prosperity comes from this. If the Part of Fortune is in good condition, the relationship between the native and the physical and social world in which he or she lives is one that supports the native and enables the native to live well. If the Part of Fortune is in poor condition, the native has a harder time living in relationship with the world that supports the native. The same can also be said about the relationships of the Part of Fortune and health. Astrologers looked at houses from the Part of Fortune like it was an Ascendant. You don't do that with the asteroid,Fortuna.so note it's mainly "The Part of Fortune, being composed of both of these along with the Sun, is also an indicator of the living, physical body and its relationships with the physical and social world in which the native lives."This is definitely different from the asteroid,Fortunawe're talking about a point devised from the Sun,Moon,and Ascendant.all Arabic Parts are Planetary Pictures Raymond------------------"Nothing matters absolutely;the truth is it only matters relatively"- Eckhart TolleDiandraReborn25thabk you for that.ive also asked myself that same question many times now i know the difference too!i have my PF.cj my NN and Vesta in 9th-so i would feel fortunate in what my philosophies,education,cultures...are...?Fortuna is in 11th cj karma.so im lucky in my relationships with groups.popcornThank you for the information IQ and Glaucus. My fortuna 7/makemake 7/ AC 10 / Sun 10 in leoMy Part of Fortuna 14 libra conj My IC 12 in libra...depthfortuna ;( widely conj asc/saturn....... dr fortuna opp natal sun(10)/mars(11H)....i can easily make frndz so that must be the 11H effect but end up distancing em .hold saturn responsible.scorpio POF(9H) conj mc/sext moon/uran/neptcould some1 temme what makemake & pandora r abt?? 8ofHeartsI am considering an international relocation and noticed that one of the changes is to my Part of Fortune. It will line up directly with my natal Venus and Fortuna which are conjunct by 1 degree in Scorpio in my 2nd house. I take this as a good sign. One of the purposes of this move is to get out of the workaday grind and go somewhere that allows me to relax and enjoy life, love and relationships more (as well as improve my financial cirumstance.) Curious to know anyone's impressions if the Part of Fortune carries much weight in a relocated chart. NewrisePOF conjuncts Fortuna :OAnd an exact sextile to Sun 8ofHeartsNice! how has that worked out for you? ;}AnastasiyaEnchantedDoes anyone know how one would interpret fortuna conjunct ascendant in libra?EllynlvxPart of Fortune is Joy and where you find your Greatest Happiness.LeeLoo2014 quote:Originally posted by iQ:A native with Sun conj Fortuna, if he considers the glass as Half Full, then a pretty girl will fill his glass to the top for him. Other optimists without this aspect will happily quench their thirst with the half full glass. The pessimist who considers the glass half empty, he will never be able to quench his thirst. A pessimist with Sun conj Fortuna will also be thirsty but he wont accidentally break the glass....I love the description. Thank you, Glaucus and IQ for your explanations, very enlightening.Great thread, thanks.
In traditional Astrology, the Part of Fortune was viewed like another Ascendant. It's major point. Whole Sign Houses were used.
In modern Astrology, it's a minor point. Whole Signs are not used.
Part of Fortune is created from the longitudes of the Sun,Moon,and Ascendant. Therefore, it naturally is an important point. It's derived from the big 3.
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/partoffortune.html
Raymond
------------------"Nothing matters absolutely;the truth is it only matters relatively"
- Eckhart Tolle
FORTUNA is an Asteroid that is named after the Roman goddess of Good Luck. Sun conjunct FORTUNA will make you far luckier than others, unless you choose to mentally Self-Sabotage that luck by thinking negatively.
A native with Sun conj Fortuna, if he considers the glass as Half Full, then a pretty girl will fill his glass to the top for him. Other optimists without this aspect will happily quench their thirst with the half full glass. The pessimist who considers the glass half empty, he will never be able to quench his thirst. A pessimist with Sun conj Fortuna will also be thirsty but he wont accidentally break the glass....
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Readings
according to Robert Hand's article:according to this link http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm that I already posted in my response:
As I have said, the Part of Fortune is a primary indicator of prosperity, but it is more than that. It is created out of the longitudes of the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant, and therefore is composed out of the three of the most important places in the chart (only the Midheaven outside of these three is as important) and as a result becomes as important as they are. In modern astrology there is a tendency to regard the Part of Fortune as a minor point in the chart, but this was not the case with ancient astrology.
In ancient astrology the Ascendant is the primary indicator of the physical body and health. The Moon is also a very important secondary indicator about the body. But there is a difference between them. The Ascendant was considered to be the body at its most physical, material level. The Moon was the living aspect of the body, in fact soul, but soul incarnated in a physical body. The Part of Fortune, being composed of both of these along with the Sun, is also an indicator of the living, physical body and its relationships with the physical and social world in which the native lives. Its capacity to signify prosperity comes from this. If the Part of Fortune is in good condition, the relationship between the native and the physical and social world in which he or she lives is one that supports the native and enables the native to live well. If the Part of Fortune is in poor condition, the native has a harder time living in relationship with the world that supports the native. The same can also be said about the relationships of the Part of Fortune and health.
Astrologers looked at houses from the Part of Fortune like it was an Ascendant. You don't do that with the asteroid,Fortuna.
so note
it's mainly
"The Part of Fortune, being composed of both of these along with the Sun, is also an indicator of the living, physical body and its relationships with the physical and social world in which the native lives."
This is definitely different from the asteroid,Fortuna
we're talking about a point devised from the Sun,Moon,and Ascendant.
all Arabic Parts are Planetary Pictures
ive also asked myself that same question many times
now i know the difference too!
i have my PF.cj my NN and Vesta in 9th-so i would feel fortunate in what my philosophies,education,cultures...are...?
Fortuna is in 11th cj karma.so im lucky in my relationships with groups.
My Part of Fortuna 14 libra conj My IC 12 in libra...
scorpio POF(9H) conj mc/sext moon/uran/nept
could some1 temme what makemake & pandora r abt??
And an exact sextile to Sun
quote:Originally posted by iQ:A native with Sun conj Fortuna, if he considers the glass as Half Full, then a pretty girl will fill his glass to the top for him. Other optimists without this aspect will happily quench their thirst with the half full glass. The pessimist who considers the glass half empty, he will never be able to quench his thirst. A pessimist with Sun conj Fortuna will also be thirsty but he wont accidentally break the glass....
I love the description.
Thank you, Glaucus and IQ for your explanations, very enlightening.
Great thread, thanks.
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