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T O P I C R E V I E WAstrologicalManCan anyone tell through astrology what level of consciousness we are currently at? I feel that we are still at a low level. How many more levels of consciousness can we expand based on astrology?There seems to be still a lot of mind games that people play with each other on the surface level.Aya_and_babyIt's a personal thing, isn't it, level of consciousness?I have noticed the same thing as you in the majority of people, but I have noticed that quite a few people rise above it.But, since it seems a general thing, I would probably look at generational planets. For some inexplicable reason I'm drawn towards Uranus because it's the higher octave of Mercury, and if Mercury represents the mind, then it's not a far cry from that to consciousness.But then again, Neptune could represent the vast unconscious, the unknown of the mind, with a bit of imagination.I also suspect it's better to look at one generation at a time and at where those generational planets were in their charts rather than when they were growing up. It is usually the general population which gives life or rise to a certain tendency, rather than it falls upon the population, so it just makes more sense to look at natal charts rather than transits.But that's just me brainstorming, of course.------------------[Insert catchy signature here.]AstrologicalMan quote:Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:It's a personal thing, isn't it, level of consciousness?I have noticed the same thing as you in the majority of people, but I have noticed that quite a few people rise above it.But, since it seems a general thing, I would probably look at generational planets. For some inexplicable reason I'm drawn towards Uranus because it's the higher octave of Mercury, and if Mercury represents the mind, then it's not a far cry from that to consciousness.But then again, Neptune could represent the vast unconscious, the unknown of the mind, with a bit of imagination.I also suspect it's better to look at one generation at a time and at where those generational planets were in their charts rather than when they were growing up. It is usually the general population which gives life or rise to a certain tendency, rather than it falls upon the population, so it just makes more sense to look at natal charts rather than transits.But that's just me brainstorming, of course.No, There is a collective consciousness. AstrologicalManI think ultimately everyone will come to the realization that we are all the same consciousness, each a separate piece to the entire whole, which seeks to be unified. The differences are illusions that we must put behind so that we can become connected. Once we are all connected, we have instant bliss and realize that we are One Being, this is when we can move forward as humans into a new shift and make magical things happen with our minds. RunAroundScreamingWell, if you're passed out, your level of consciousness is very low. That's all I know.Xiiro quote:Originally posted by AstrologicalMan:Can anyone tell through astrology what level of consciousness we are currently at? I feel that we are still at a low level. How many more levels of consciousness can we expand based on astrology?There seems to be still a lot of mind games that people play with each other on the surface level.That may be a tough question to answer. in the case of individuals, I believe a person's chart expresses the individual's potential as opposed to a person's destiny. The ability to tap into elevated manifestations of one's potential or react from one's basal instincts is circumstantial. In the case of collective evolution, there are indicators like "Astrological Ages" which outline the "flavor" of collective manifestation. Astrologers like Dane Rudhyar believed the interplay of astrological forces are manifest as increasing spirals of varying degrees of experience, so looking into astrology over the known ages could help us discover where we are consciously. There are a couple of problems with that idea however. Our species has only been recording its experiences for a relatively short time and, we don't know where consciousness begins or ends. Without an idea of where we came from and where we are going as a species, we have no reference to compare our progress to. We are sort of left saying, "Well, I know more today, than I knew yesterday". Depending on which culture or brand of spirituality you ask (take the Mayans for example), you may get a definite answer based on their version of the universal timeline.Aya_and_babyWell, for the collective consciousness you could look at transit generational planets, I suppose.But, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought you were referring to the consciousness of people. The collective consciousness is not limited to people and the level of that consciousness does not reflect on the human population. It, as a whole, does influence people but its level is not reflected in people as most are not even aware that it happens.All I know is that in general, a human being does not have lucid access to the collective consciousness, so I assume that generally, the consciousness level of people is not that high, and fairly limited even. I believe in general it's only limited to the personal consciousness and to some extent the subconscious (for some less extended than for others). Very few people have lucid access to their own unconscious, let alone they would have access to the collective consciousness.So, again correct me if I'm wrong, I suspect that the collective consciousness is a level of consciousness rather than it can achieve certain levels of consciousness - which still leaves us with the questions "at what level are people now?" and "how can we pin-point it astrologically?"I still stand with what I said in that case, although I have to add a wee bit. I think how conscious people are is a tendency which exerts itself in certain age groups, with the younger age group transcending to a less individual/material/physical/basic consciousness, but since the majority of the active population is still of an older generation, the tendency now is that the human population hasn't reached quite that high a level of consciousness, and are still limited to the tangible and slightly abstract.However, there is of course that rumour of the precession of the equinoxes with the Vernal Point going from Pisces into Aquarius - or the Age of Aquarius - which suggests enlightenment of the collective consciousness.But still, as I understand it, the collective consciousness is not connected to only human beings and is rather a seperate entity (well, entity... ) which influences our consciousness. At least, that's what I can gather from Jung's perspective on it.So, the Age of Aquarius means that we will collectively become more conscious, but it still influences our individual consciousness, it just happens at the same time. Or is rumoured to. My two cents, just... ------------------[Insert catchy signature here.]Xiiro quote:Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:So, the Age of Aquarius means that we will collectively become more conscious, but it still influences our individual consciousness, it just happens at the same time. Or is rumoured to. To be fair, the Age of Aquarius could also result in humans evolving into cyborgs or downloading their consciousness into a computer. =DMaybe this time around the wheel, we won't sprout wings =CAya_and_babyDamn it... I always wanted wings. @Xiiro: you might be on to something there, people are becoming more bionic, and there has been a lot of research into using technology to help people physically as well, not just "assisting".We might have been looking at it from a completely wrong angle and just saw what we wanted to see! Okay, seriously now... ------------------[Insert catchy signature here.]TaineberryThis is definitely a matter of personal belief so what I am saying here is purely a subjective opinion, so I don't expect anyone else to agree with it.Having said that,in the matter of the evolution of human consciousness, I am very influenced by theosophical thought, which in a nutshell states that we are in a evolutionary spiral that will last many billions of years in a series of rounds and races. Currently we are in the fourth round of our planetary lifetime of seven rounds on the planet earth. We are on Globe D of that round, the most densely material of the seven globes of the earth’s planetary chain. The fourth round on Globe D will manifest through seven root races (this does not refer to ethnic groups, it refers to humanity as a whole) and ours (as we are now) is the fifth in this series of seven. By way of further detail, we are currently in the fourth subrace of the fifth root race.The full life term of a root race is eight to nine million years. Root races overlap, the new root race being initially established about half way through the previous one. Humanity is currently about half way through the fifth root race. The middle of the fifth root race is approximately 16,000 years, which will be marked by geological catastrophe which happens at all the midpoints of the ages. This (4th subrace) age of rapid material progress will last in total about 430 000 years. However, as we approach the midpoint, precursors of the 6th root race are already starting to manifest, in the form highly evolved spiritual masters. For most of us, however, the fifth round will see the full development of manas (mind), the sixth round will be that of buddhi (intuitive wisdom), and the seventh of âtman (the inner divinity). If we make the grade successfully, we shall become buddhas at the end of the sixth round, and dhyâni-chohans at the end of the seventh. We shall then have an ovoid form, of refined spiritual substance, like a garment of dazzling light. At the end of the planetary manvantara, the lower principles of the earth-chain will die and disintegrate, and a long pralaya or planetary rest-period will ensue. After this period of nirvâna, we shall become the guides of the humanity and lower entities on the next embodiment of the earth-chain. Bottom line - the time frames are so long as to be almost unimaginable. All we can do at the moment as individuals is to raise our own consciousness to the best of our ability, and trust in forces way beyond our comprehension to lead us there.So AstMan, don't be frustrated or impatient about our collective consciousness being low. Most of us will get there in good time. And ... to answer your question ... I have absolutely no idea of what the astrological signs en route will be. Wish I did. AstrologicalManniceamowls** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age Mblake81Taken from the link:The Age of AriesThe Age of Aries ushered in efforts to replace polytheism with monotheism. The earliest known attempt was by the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten, who, in about 1350 BC, decreed the Sun God Aten to be the supreme deity, apparently in reaction to his earlier lack of inclusion in religious rites by his family. After his death, however, power reverted to the original polytheistic priests, who re-established the old religion. Speculation (including that of Freud) has it that later, during the reign of Ramesses II, Moses was influenced by rumour of Akhenaten's revolutionary idea, and grasped the idea of a single supreme God, Who especially favoured His people, as an inspirational mechanism that best suited his people held in bondage. The symbol of Aries can be seen as representing the power of multiple gods streaming down into a single god-head.We are currently somewhere near the end of Pisces.The Age of Pisces (The Piscean Age)The Age of Pisces is characterized by the rise of many religions such as Christianity (founded 1st Century), Islam (founded 7th Century) and Buddhism (founded 6th to 4th Century BC) due to the "spiritual" nature of Pisces and its ability to go beyond the boundaries of the physical world. The Age of Pisces is mainly marked by the continuous research of mankind about the truth hidden behind what's perceived by five senses (see platonism).Traits of Pisces such as being "gentle" and artistically able but at the same time "impractical" may hint to the dominance of European empires on the world.After that we go into:The Age of Aquarius (The Aquarian age)Overview "The Age of Freedom, Technology (especially space travel and electricity), and the Water Bearer"There is an expectation that the Aquarian age will usher in a period of group consciousness. Marcia Moore and Mark Douglas claim that the lighting up of the earth artificially by electricity is a sign of the Age of Aquarius. Furthermore they see the appearance of dictators, self expression and the rising influence of the entertainment industry are linked to the Aquarian age by its opposite sign Leo.Popular culture In popular culture, the expression "Age of Aquarius" usually refers to the heyday of the hippie and New Age movement of the 1960s and 1970s. The 1967 successful musical Hair, with its opening song "Aquarius" and the memorable line "This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius", brought the Aquarian Age concept to the attention of a huge worldwide audience. This New Age phenomenon is seen by some astrologers to be marked by the conjunction of the planet Uranus, ruler of the sign Aquarius, and the coming age, with Pluto, ruler of the masses, bringing radical change, in the 1960s. However, as the song relates, it is only considered by astrologers as the "dawning" or "cusp" of the Age, with the full strength of the Age not occurring until some time in the future.Historical similarity: Current/ProjectedTraits of Aquarius such as being 'humanitarian' but at the same time 'unemotional' may indicate to the emergence of active intergovernmental organisations and global solidarity movements. Alternatively, it may indicate individual New Age spiritual awakening en masse, which although is not organized, spontaneously forms a worldwide 'humanitarian' yet 'unemotional' era of spiritual clarity and spontaneous friendship.AstrologicalMan quote:Originally posted by Taineberry:This is definitely a matter of personal belief so what I am saying here is purely a subjective opinion, so I don't expect anyone else to agree with it.Having said that,in the matter of the evolution of human consciousness, I am very influenced by theosophical thought, which in a nutshell states that we are in a evolutionary spiral that will last many billions of years in a series of rounds and races. Currently we are in the fourth round of our planetary lifetime of seven rounds on the planet earth. We are on Globe D of that round, the most densely material of the seven globes of the earth’s planetary chain. The fourth round on Globe D will manifest through seven root races (this does not refer to ethnic groups, it refers to humanity as a whole) and ours (as we are now) is the fifth in this series of seven. By way of further detail, we are currently in the fourth subrace of the fifth root race.The full life term of a root race is eight to nine million years. Root races overlap, the new root race being initially established about half way through the previous one. Humanity is currently about half way through the fifth root race. The middle of the fifth root race is approximately 16,000 years, which will be marked by geological catastrophe which happens at all the midpoints of the ages. This (4th subrace) age of rapid material progress will last in total about 430 000 years. However, as we approach the midpoint, precursors of the 6th root race are already starting to manifest, in the form highly evolved spiritual masters. For most of us, however, the fifth round will see the full development of manas (mind), the sixth round will be that of buddhi (intuitive wisdom), and the seventh of âtman (the inner divinity). If we make the grade successfully, we shall become buddhas at the end of the sixth round, and dhyâni-chohans at the end of the seventh. We shall then have an ovoid form, of refined spiritual substance, like a garment of dazzling light. At the end of the planetary manvantara, the lower principles of the earth-chain will die and disintegrate, and a long pralaya or planetary rest-period will ensue. After this period of nirvâna, we shall become the guides of the humanity and lower entities on the next embodiment of the earth-chain. Bottom line - the time frames are so long as to be almost unimaginable. All we can do at the moment as individuals is to raise our own consciousness to the best of our ability, and trust in forces way beyond our comprehension to lead us there.So AstMan, don't be frustrated or impatient about our collective consciousness being low. Most of us will get there in good time. And ... to answer your question ... I have absolutely no idea of what the astrological signs en route will be. Wish I did. Nice.....waxlobsterlevel 6AstrologicalMankim jung il has temper tantrum. ****** pampers. He now Launches Nuclear Missile.,,GAME OVERLevel of consciousness 1Taineberry athenegoddessThe level of consiousness on this planet right now is the complete opposite polarity to the consciousness of our true god nature.Another words, it's the darkest its ever been. With few bringing back the light for the Age of Aquarius.mercuranian^^ooohh, 1111 posts!^^ Capriquarius quote:Originally posted by Taineberry: [IMG]http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k609/Taineberry/42-26816007-1.jpghahahaha he's nekkid! *points & laffs*
There seems to be still a lot of mind games that people play with each other on the surface level.
I have noticed the same thing as you in the majority of people, but I have noticed that quite a few people rise above it.
But, since it seems a general thing, I would probably look at generational planets. For some inexplicable reason I'm drawn towards Uranus because it's the higher octave of Mercury, and if Mercury represents the mind, then it's not a far cry from that to consciousness.
But then again, Neptune could represent the vast unconscious, the unknown of the mind, with a bit of imagination.
I also suspect it's better to look at one generation at a time and at where those generational planets were in their charts rather than when they were growing up. It is usually the general population which gives life or rise to a certain tendency, rather than it falls upon the population, so it just makes more sense to look at natal charts rather than transits.
But that's just me brainstorming, of course.
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quote:Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:It's a personal thing, isn't it, level of consciousness?I have noticed the same thing as you in the majority of people, but I have noticed that quite a few people rise above it.But, since it seems a general thing, I would probably look at generational planets. For some inexplicable reason I'm drawn towards Uranus because it's the higher octave of Mercury, and if Mercury represents the mind, then it's not a far cry from that to consciousness.But then again, Neptune could represent the vast unconscious, the unknown of the mind, with a bit of imagination.I also suspect it's better to look at one generation at a time and at where those generational planets were in their charts rather than when they were growing up. It is usually the general population which gives life or rise to a certain tendency, rather than it falls upon the population, so it just makes more sense to look at natal charts rather than transits.But that's just me brainstorming, of course.
No, There is a collective consciousness.
quote:Originally posted by AstrologicalMan:Can anyone tell through astrology what level of consciousness we are currently at? I feel that we are still at a low level. How many more levels of consciousness can we expand based on astrology?There seems to be still a lot of mind games that people play with each other on the surface level.
That may be a tough question to answer. in the case of individuals, I believe a person's chart expresses the individual's potential as opposed to a person's destiny. The ability to tap into elevated manifestations of one's potential or react from one's basal instincts is circumstantial.
In the case of collective evolution, there are indicators like "Astrological Ages" which outline the "flavor" of collective manifestation. Astrologers like Dane Rudhyar believed the interplay of astrological forces are manifest as increasing spirals of varying degrees of experience, so looking into astrology over the known ages could help us discover where we are consciously. There are a couple of problems with that idea however. Our species has only been recording its experiences for a relatively short time and, we don't know where consciousness begins or ends. Without an idea of where we came from and where we are going as a species, we have no reference to compare our progress to. We are sort of left saying, "Well, I know more today, than I knew yesterday".
Depending on which culture or brand of spirituality you ask (take the Mayans for example), you may get a definite answer based on their version of the universal timeline.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought you were referring to the consciousness of people. The collective consciousness is not limited to people and the level of that consciousness does not reflect on the human population. It, as a whole, does influence people but its level is not reflected in people as most are not even aware that it happens.
All I know is that in general, a human being does not have lucid access to the collective consciousness, so I assume that generally, the consciousness level of people is not that high, and fairly limited even. I believe in general it's only limited to the personal consciousness and to some extent the subconscious (for some less extended than for others). Very few people have lucid access to their own unconscious, let alone they would have access to the collective consciousness.
So, again correct me if I'm wrong, I suspect that the collective consciousness is a level of consciousness rather than it can achieve certain levels of consciousness - which still leaves us with the questions "at what level are people now?" and "how can we pin-point it astrologically?"
I still stand with what I said in that case, although I have to add a wee bit. I think how conscious people are is a tendency which exerts itself in certain age groups, with the younger age group transcending to a less individual/material/physical/basic consciousness, but since the majority of the active population is still of an older generation, the tendency now is that the human population hasn't reached quite that high a level of consciousness, and are still limited to the tangible and slightly abstract.
However, there is of course that rumour of the precession of the equinoxes with the Vernal Point going from Pisces into Aquarius - or the Age of Aquarius - which suggests enlightenment of the collective consciousness.
But still, as I understand it, the collective consciousness is not connected to only human beings and is rather a seperate entity (well, entity... ) which influences our consciousness. At least, that's what I can gather from Jung's perspective on it.
So, the Age of Aquarius means that we will collectively become more conscious, but it still influences our individual consciousness, it just happens at the same time. Or is rumoured to.
My two cents, just...
quote:Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:So, the Age of Aquarius means that we will collectively become more conscious, but it still influences our individual consciousness, it just happens at the same time. Or is rumoured to.
To be fair, the Age of Aquarius could also result in humans evolving into cyborgs or downloading their consciousness into a computer. =D
Maybe this time around the wheel, we won't sprout wings =C
@Xiiro: you might be on to something there, people are becoming more bionic, and there has been a lot of research into using technology to help people physically as well, not just "assisting".
We might have been looking at it from a completely wrong angle and just saw what we wanted to see!
Okay, seriously now...
Bottom line - the time frames are so long as to be almost unimaginable. All we can do at the moment as individuals is to raise our own consciousness to the best of our ability, and trust in forces way beyond our comprehension to lead us there.
So AstMan, don't be frustrated or impatient about our collective consciousness being low. Most of us will get there in good time. And ... to answer your question ... I have absolutely no idea of what the astrological signs en route will be. Wish I did.
The Age of Aries
The Age of Aries ushered in efforts to replace polytheism with monotheism. The earliest known attempt was by the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten, who, in about 1350 BC, decreed the Sun God Aten to be the supreme deity, apparently in reaction to his earlier lack of inclusion in religious rites by his family. After his death, however, power reverted to the original polytheistic priests, who re-established the old religion. Speculation (including that of Freud) has it that later, during the reign of Ramesses II, Moses was influenced by rumour of Akhenaten's revolutionary idea, and grasped the idea of a single supreme God, Who especially favoured His people, as an inspirational mechanism that best suited his people held in bondage. The symbol of Aries can be seen as representing the power of multiple gods streaming down into a single god-head.
We are currently somewhere near the end of Pisces.
The Age of Pisces (The Piscean Age)
The Age of Pisces is characterized by the rise of many religions such as Christianity (founded 1st Century), Islam (founded 7th Century) and Buddhism (founded 6th to 4th Century BC) due to the "spiritual" nature of Pisces and its ability to go beyond the boundaries of the physical world. The Age of Pisces is mainly marked by the continuous research of mankind about the truth hidden behind what's perceived by five senses (see platonism).
Traits of Pisces such as being "gentle" and artistically able but at the same time "impractical" may hint to the dominance of European empires on the world.
After that we go into:
The Age of Aquarius (The Aquarian age)
Overview "The Age of Freedom, Technology (especially space travel and electricity), and the Water Bearer"There is an expectation that the Aquarian age will usher in a period of group consciousness. Marcia Moore and Mark Douglas claim that the lighting up of the earth artificially by electricity is a sign of the Age of Aquarius. Furthermore they see the appearance of dictators, self expression and the rising influence of the entertainment industry are linked to the Aquarian age by its opposite sign Leo.
Popular culture In popular culture, the expression "Age of Aquarius" usually refers to the heyday of the hippie and New Age movement of the 1960s and 1970s. The 1967 successful musical Hair, with its opening song "Aquarius" and the memorable line "This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius", brought the Aquarian Age concept to the attention of a huge worldwide audience. This New Age phenomenon is seen by some astrologers to be marked by the conjunction of the planet Uranus, ruler of the sign Aquarius, and the coming age, with Pluto, ruler of the masses, bringing radical change, in the 1960s. However, as the song relates, it is only considered by astrologers as the "dawning" or "cusp" of the Age, with the full strength of the Age not occurring until some time in the future.
Historical similarity: Current/Projected
Traits of Aquarius such as being 'humanitarian' but at the same time 'unemotional' may indicate to the emergence of active intergovernmental organisations and global solidarity movements. Alternatively, it may indicate individual New Age spiritual awakening en masse, which although is not organized, spontaneously forms a worldwide 'humanitarian' yet 'unemotional' era of spiritual clarity and spontaneous friendship.
quote:Originally posted by Taineberry:This is definitely a matter of personal belief so what I am saying here is purely a subjective opinion, so I don't expect anyone else to agree with it.Having said that,in the matter of the evolution of human consciousness, I am very influenced by theosophical thought, which in a nutshell states that we are in a evolutionary spiral that will last many billions of years in a series of rounds and races. Currently we are in the fourth round of our planetary lifetime of seven rounds on the planet earth. We are on Globe D of that round, the most densely material of the seven globes of the earth’s planetary chain. The fourth round on Globe D will manifest through seven root races (this does not refer to ethnic groups, it refers to humanity as a whole) and ours (as we are now) is the fifth in this series of seven. By way of further detail, we are currently in the fourth subrace of the fifth root race.The full life term of a root race is eight to nine million years. Root races overlap, the new root race being initially established about half way through the previous one. Humanity is currently about half way through the fifth root race. The middle of the fifth root race is approximately 16,000 years, which will be marked by geological catastrophe which happens at all the midpoints of the ages. This (4th subrace) age of rapid material progress will last in total about 430 000 years. However, as we approach the midpoint, precursors of the 6th root race are already starting to manifest, in the form highly evolved spiritual masters. For most of us, however, the fifth round will see the full development of manas (mind), the sixth round will be that of buddhi (intuitive wisdom), and the seventh of âtman (the inner divinity). If we make the grade successfully, we shall become buddhas at the end of the sixth round, and dhyâni-chohans at the end of the seventh. We shall then have an ovoid form, of refined spiritual substance, like a garment of dazzling light. At the end of the planetary manvantara, the lower principles of the earth-chain will die and disintegrate, and a long pralaya or planetary rest-period will ensue. After this period of nirvâna, we shall become the guides of the humanity and lower entities on the next embodiment of the earth-chain. Bottom line - the time frames are so long as to be almost unimaginable. All we can do at the moment as individuals is to raise our own consciousness to the best of our ability, and trust in forces way beyond our comprehension to lead us there.So AstMan, don't be frustrated or impatient about our collective consciousness being low. Most of us will get there in good time. And ... to answer your question ... I have absolutely no idea of what the astrological signs en route will be. Wish I did.
Nice.....
GAME OVER
Level of consciousness 1
Another words, it's the darkest its ever been. With few bringing back the light for the Age of Aquarius.
quote:Originally posted by Taineberry: [IMG]http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k609/Taineberry/42-26816007-1.jpg
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