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T O P I C R E V I E WNickiG http://www.rajunasrefuge.com/pluto.html (link thanks to starfox)i just have to do this quote because its where my pluto is and i absolutely love it quote: PLUTO IN SCORPIO: Pluto will be in Scorpio from 1984 to 1995. Pluto's work here is to cleanse and redeem the murky swamp waters in the depth of the subconscious and instinctive self. Our egos are crumpled, our illusions are finished, and we are forced to face reality. The shell of our understanding is cracked and we are set free. Pluto in Scorpio helps to revolutionize medicine and bring in new methods of healing. Children born during this time will bring many new improvements to mankind. New birth control measures will be taken that will not harm the body. Cures for cancer will be found by some of them. Because the veil between the planes is already getting thinner many children will be born with highly developed extrasensory powers. There will be great changes in educational methodology. The emphasis will be on helping young people develop their own potentiality rather than pouring a great many facts into their heads that they will not use in life. This planet will undergo a purging such as the world has never known. Those born with Pluto in Scorpio will be the souls who, when grown, will have the power to usher in a new heaven and a new earth. The ancient evils that have been under cover for so long, will be exposed, cleansed, and redeemed. The lost continent of Atlantis may be found by these children, and part of it will come up as intact as it went down. From 1975 to 2000 and beyond, earth changes, personality changes, spiritual awareness and illumination will be the order of the times. The decision of mankind will determine what happens. well? whats yours?------------------I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in historyBelligerentPygmyPLUTO IN LIBRA: In the sign of Libra (1972 to 1984), Pluto's energy affects relationships, marriages, unions, and partnerships. Here the lessons of cooperation and compromise have to be learned. Global responsibility must be faced. Events are now soul size and planetary size. Every aspect of legislation and law and those who administer those laws will be challenged. We have to be involved before we can evolve. We are now touching the depths of all of us. The challenge of Pluto is what group or what ideology are we going to serve. In Libra, Pluto teaches us to understand the other fellow and think in terms of that "other" out there. It brings up to the surface the evils that have been hidden and kept out of sight. These evils have to be recognized and redeemed. There has been a loss of faith in dogma and creed. Pluto brings destruction of all outmoded legalities and hypocrisies. Many advanced souls have come in since 1945, and they will be the new leaders and statesmen. The highest aspect of Pluto in Libra will be the ability to recognize Love as a principle, not just as an emotion....Best interpretation of Pluto in Libra that I've seen. Most completely miss the mark, dismissing it as being about obsessions with relationships and being pretty.mintgirl123(SCORPY PLUTO IN THE EIGHTH HOUSE): This is the true house of education for it is concerned with progress of every kind - moral, mental and spiritual. This is an important house for those strongly interested in movements of progress and reform. If afflicted, it is easy to choose the path of degeneration, if that is the way an individual can learn the most. It need not be. With Pluto in this house there will be no standing still. One has to die to the old self and undergo rebirth while still in the body. There are no misty flats or drifting to and fro. It can mean a long life if the life force is not wasted. Heavy affliction could mean the degeneration of the energies through dissipation and sensuality. This house represents the entrance to the next dimension. It rules the psychic senses and out-of-body experiences. If well aspected to Neptune and Mars, the individual may be clairvoyant. No one but the person themself can help them come to victory over their appetites and desires. There must be no desire to control others but a sincere desire to help others find and use their own resources. Financial independence can come through a legacy. The aspect between Pluto and Mars is very important here. If one uses others for one's own ends there are drastic and violent repercussions. With rebirth through regeneration comes the wisdom of Minerva. The death of the personality and the birth of the soul power is the promise of the higher side of Pluto. One goes into the darkness to find the light. Insight, self mastery, and the ability to stand alone, if need be, are the gifts of Minerva here. I love my 8th house pluto. At times painful, but I love that I am able to undergo changes through really hard experiences. Makes me a fighter.NickiG (belligerent) yes, it is sad that most astrology sites that give descriptions of a certain aspect only focus on the major points....they never look at the smaller things that a sign rules over...as for pluto in scorpio, most usually only talk about sex, death, regeneration, and mystery...this goes way beyond it, and its the most fascinating description i'v ever read------------------I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in historyNickiGmintgirl...wow, triple scorpio?? pluto (scorpios ruler) in scorpio, in the 8th house (also ruled by scorpio...but i'm sure you know that...just had to point it out)very intense, and very cool my pluto sextiles my saturn, neptune, and venus in the 8th houseoh, and i almost forgot to mention, i want to be a teacher....so in some way, that part in the description about teaching is very accurate for me------------------I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in historyHello PleiadesI also have scorpy pluto in the eighth house conjunct mercury by one degree, trining a pisces moon in the 12th house and my retrograde mars in cancer, grand trine. Plus my aries rising, In mint's posted description I could definitely be linked to being a clairvoyant of sorts. Telling you, Jeffrey Wolf Green's book on pluto will blow your mind with this pluto stuff, he's born same day as me, way earlier, pisci moon and mercury the same degree as mine. Mint, we could get into some deep conversations. StawrSomething I've been curious about for a while, is who was the Scorpio generation before our Scorpio generation and what where they like?Probably was a really long time ago. I think it was before the USA was a country...I don't know the exact year though. Hello PleiadesResearch will be done, I know that they existed somewhere in the mid 1700's, possibly around the time of the crusades?Hello PleiadesBoom, check this out http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/PLUTO.html 1736 to 1748.LonakeNM i see it, it's cos there's basically nothing on Libra.GypseeWindPLUTO IN VIRGO: From 1957 to 1972, Pluto was in Virgo. These 15 years saw tremendous strides where the rights of the worker and the "little man" have been concerned. Interest in health brought in the use of vitamins and interest in organic foods. The young people became health conscious. Health stores and macrobiotic restaurants sprang up all over the cities. New methods of healing in natural ways came into existence. Tremendous research in medicine began. Important breakthroughs occurred and the relationship between the mind and the body was recognized. Gestalt therapy came into being to break up the repressions, insecurity and inferiority that Virgo all too often represents. Computers ( a truly Virgoan product) mushroomed and have increased in every area of the business, scientific, educational and health world. The higher aspect of Pluto is involved here. With time saved and work cut down, the individual has time to tap into his inner resources, and to develop his spiritual potentials so the light and wisdom within him can be released. If those with Pluto in Virgo will use its highest aspect they will be truly great servers of the planet. They will make excellent nurses, doctors, naturopaths, physical therapists, and healers.AND, it's in the 6th house too.NickiGsooo gypsee...can i count on medical advice from you? ------------------I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in historyzodiacexpertHey Nicki,Thanks for the link and the subject! I've just been looking into my moon pluto conj in 25 degrees leo in my 12th and damn its pretty loaded vying with a loaded 8th house for plutonian weirdness which explains a lot!Cool,Kool,Kewlest! tuxedoMask3 degrees from my descendantPLUTO IN THE SIXTH HOUSE: Pluto in the house of adjustments means a purging of the motives and of the mind. A healer or a hypochondriac? The choice is there. If one loses oneself in service one hasn't time to be sick. Being critical and sitting in judgment are signs of deep feelings of insecurity and inferiority. May feel submerged as an individual in the impersonal materialistic environments of large groups and corporations. There is an adjustment necessary where employment and fellow workers are concerned. If afflicted, especially to Mercury, nerves are a problem that could cause difficulties which are not easily diagnosed. There can be trouble stemming from wrong reactions where others are concerned. There could be instability and criticalness which are unexpressed, but which are still felt by others. The individual thinks that because nothing was said that the other fellow is not aware of his criticalness. Because the veils between the planes are thinner than they have ever been before, what is thought radiates, and the antenna on the unconscious side of others is picking up the thoughts and reacting accordingly. If the individual forgets himself in service to others, the Minerva aspect of Pluto brings on tremendous healing power. The ability to be a channel of healing comes naturally. Nursing, the medical field, psychology or counseling as well as the ability to work with the earth and treasures hidden in it are the fields in which there could be great success. Take note of the relationship of Pluto and Mercury in this house - it is important. There is a high tension in the nervous system, and it must be understood and used rightly. The lack of ease created by unused energies can play havoc with the psychological well-being of the individual.PLUTO IN THE SEVENTH HOUSE: This house represents relationships in the outer world and how others react to the individual. Pluto has a purging effect with a particularly strong effect in this house. It is a very impersonal energy in an area where personal attachments are very strong. It is difficult for the person to have a close and strongly emotional relationship. An uninvolvement where personalities are concerned and a deep dedication to Love as a principle is the lesson Pluto brings to this house. A wise choice of partner in a union or marriage is very important as Pluto will hold the individual to his choice even though he would wish to be free. The stubbornness or stability will hold the individual to the promises he made regardless of the cost to the personality. The individual's ability to see both sides of a situation makes his judgements unprejudiced and objective. His role as a mediator is unquestioned. Law and legal matters can be of interest and talent does lie in this direction. As Pluto rules large corporations, corporation law can be a natural outlet for the energy. Your regeneration depends on your willingness to cross out any personal desires and be willing to serve "others" for the sake of service, with no ends of your own to serve. The Minerva aspect of Pluto comes to the fore when Love is more important than self. "He who loses himself will find himself". NickiG quote:Originally posted by zodiacexpert:Hey Nicki,Thanks for the link and the subject! I've just been looking into my moon pluto conj in 25 degrees leo in my 12th and damn its pretty loaded vying with a loaded 8th house for plutonian weirdness which explains a lot!Cool,Kool,Kewlest! your welcome...oh, and btw, i have a leo moon too...at 24 leo ------------------I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in historytuxedoMask^ nice, mine's at 0NickiG quote:Originally posted by tuxedoMask:^ nice, mine's at 0really? wow...i'm a little glad i dont have anthing at 0 of any sign....but then again 25 leo is supposed to be some "critical" degree------------------I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in historyStawr quote:Originally posted by Hello Pleiades:Boom, check this out http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/PLUTO.html 1736 to 1748.Thanks!!!"GEORGE WASHINGTON, THOMAS JEFFERSON, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN AND OTHERS, MOST BORN WITH PLUTO IN SCORPIO."Woooohhhhh!!!!NickiG quote:Originally posted by Stawr: Thanks!!!"GEORGE WASHINGTON, THOMAS JEFFERSON, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN AND OTHERS, MOST BORN WITH PLUTO IN SCORPIO."Woooohhhhh!!!!did you know, more presidents have been scorpios than any other sign?------------------I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in historyMoonfishScorpio Pluto in the 8H is nothing special in my opinion. Afterall its a generational placement, many people born in this generation probably have it in the 8H. I do. Stawr quote:Originally posted by NickiG: did you know, more presidents have been scorpios than any other sign?No I didn't know that. That's what's up.sunshine9 quote:PLUTO IN LIBRA: In the sign of Libra (1972 to 1984), Pluto's energy affects relationships, marriages, unions, and partnerships. Here the lessons of cooperation and compromise have to be learned. Global responsibility must be faced. Events are now soul size and planetary size. Every aspect of legislation and law and those who administer those laws will be challenged. We have to be involved before we can evolve. We are now touching the depths of all of us. The challenge of Pluto is what group or what ideology are we going to serve. In Libra, Pluto teaches us to understand the other fellow and think in terms of that "other" out there. It brings up to the surface the evils that have been hidden and kept out of sight. These evils have to be recognized and redeemed. There has been a loss of faith in dogma and creed. Pluto brings destruction of all outmoded legalities and hypocrisies. Many advanced souls have come in since 1945, and they will be the new leaders and statesmen. The highest aspect of Pluto in Libra will be the ability to recognize Love as a principle, not just as an emotion.PLUTO IN THE ELEVENTH HOUSE: This is the house of friendships, goals and objectives. Therefore the choice of friends and the goals chosen are going to be of utmost importance. If the wrong choice of friend is made, there can be sudden and unexpected disruptions. Great care must be taken in choosing the right groups with which to associate. Great discrimination must be used. There is a great need to choose your associates with care. Friends will come and friends will go. While they are in your life serve them well and you will purge yourself of all negatives inherent with this position. A well aspected Pluto here, especially to Jupiter, Venus, or Uranus gives great devotion to principles and to ideals to further the development of mankind. These people are the leaders who fight for causes that will benefit others. They have charisma and people are willing to follow them. They have many friends, and without friends, goals and objectives are not achieved. sunshine9 quote:Originally posted by NickiG: did you know, more presidents have been scorpios than any other sign?I didn't; that's interesting. You do mean their Sun sign, Nicki? I wonder why that is - perhaps a certain magnetism that draws voters?Heartlessthanks, NickiG.mine is in Libra and in 12H. the description below is terrible PLUTO IN TWELFTH HOUSE: This house is the most psychically permeable. Those who are willing to go through the purging will see light on the other side of darkness. Anyone with Twelfth house planets feels cribbed, cabined and confined by life on earth. It is difficult for them to submit to the rules of the road and to live by these rules. The enemy lies within. The highest side of Pluto in this house means the willingness to be a channel to help those who are limited and afflicted. The willingness to be nothing in order to serve humanity can bring the wisdom aspect of Minerva into operation. As long as the individual tries to live a personal life (in the sense that he chooses to enhance his own personality and his own power) he is confused and lose his sense of identity. He bogs down in a swamp of self-pity and self-recrimination. Again the choice that is so intimately tied with the Twelfth house is to serve or suffer. The choice is there. Only through service and the dissolving of the personal will, will freedom from the negative use of any energies in the Twelfth house come.NickiG quote:Originally posted by sunshine9: I didn't; that's interesting. You do mean their Sun sign, Nicki? I wonder why that is - perhaps a certain magnetism that draws voters?yes i do mean the sun sign....i think its the natural ability to lead and make up your mind and such....scorpios are almost literally born to lead (some of us a little more naturally) and since scorpio rules the subconsious i think that aids in heling to understand what the majority wants....Roosevelt was one of those scorpie prezisand yes stawr, that is whats up lol------------------I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history
i just have to do this quote because its where my pluto is and i absolutely love it
quote: PLUTO IN SCORPIO: Pluto will be in Scorpio from 1984 to 1995. Pluto's work here is to cleanse and redeem the murky swamp waters in the depth of the subconscious and instinctive self. Our egos are crumpled, our illusions are finished, and we are forced to face reality. The shell of our understanding is cracked and we are set free. Pluto in Scorpio helps to revolutionize medicine and bring in new methods of healing. Children born during this time will bring many new improvements to mankind. New birth control measures will be taken that will not harm the body. Cures for cancer will be found by some of them. Because the veil between the planes is already getting thinner many children will be born with highly developed extrasensory powers. There will be great changes in educational methodology. The emphasis will be on helping young people develop their own potentiality rather than pouring a great many facts into their heads that they will not use in life. This planet will undergo a purging such as the world has never known. Those born with Pluto in Scorpio will be the souls who, when grown, will have the power to usher in a new heaven and a new earth. The ancient evils that have been under cover for so long, will be exposed, cleansed, and redeemed. The lost continent of Atlantis may be found by these children, and part of it will come up as intact as it went down. From 1975 to 2000 and beyond, earth changes, personality changes, spiritual awareness and illumination will be the order of the times. The decision of mankind will determine what happens.
well? whats yours?
------------------I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?
when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history
...Best interpretation of Pluto in Libra that I've seen. Most completely miss the mark, dismissing it as being about obsessions with relationships and being pretty.
I love my 8th house pluto. At times painful, but I love that I am able to undergo changes through really hard experiences. Makes me a fighter.
very intense, and very cool
my pluto sextiles my saturn, neptune, and venus in the 8th house
oh, and i almost forgot to mention, i want to be a teacher....so in some way, that part in the description about teaching is very accurate for me
Probably was a really long time ago. I think it was before the USA was a country...I don't know the exact year though.
1736 to 1748.
AND, it's in the 6th house too.
PLUTO IN THE SIXTH HOUSE: Pluto in the house of adjustments means a purging of the motives and of the mind. A healer or a hypochondriac? The choice is there. If one loses oneself in service one hasn't time to be sick. Being critical and sitting in judgment are signs of deep feelings of insecurity and inferiority. May feel submerged as an individual in the impersonal materialistic environments of large groups and corporations. There is an adjustment necessary where employment and fellow workers are concerned. If afflicted, especially to Mercury, nerves are a problem that could cause difficulties which are not easily diagnosed. There can be trouble stemming from wrong reactions where others are concerned. There could be instability and criticalness which are unexpressed, but which are still felt by others. The individual thinks that because nothing was said that the other fellow is not aware of his criticalness. Because the veils between the planes are thinner than they have ever been before, what is thought radiates, and the antenna on the unconscious side of others is picking up the thoughts and reacting accordingly. If the individual forgets himself in service to others, the Minerva aspect of Pluto brings on tremendous healing power. The ability to be a channel of healing comes naturally. Nursing, the medical field, psychology or counseling as well as the ability to work with the earth and treasures hidden in it are the fields in which there could be great success. Take note of the relationship of Pluto and Mercury in this house - it is important. There is a high tension in the nervous system, and it must be understood and used rightly. The lack of ease created by unused energies can play havoc with the psychological well-being of the individual.
PLUTO IN THE SEVENTH HOUSE: This house represents relationships in the outer world and how others react to the individual. Pluto has a purging effect with a particularly strong effect in this house. It is a very impersonal energy in an area where personal attachments are very strong. It is difficult for the person to have a close and strongly emotional relationship. An uninvolvement where personalities are concerned and a deep dedication to Love as a principle is the lesson Pluto brings to this house. A wise choice of partner in a union or marriage is very important as Pluto will hold the individual to his choice even though he would wish to be free. The stubbornness or stability will hold the individual to the promises he made regardless of the cost to the personality. The individual's ability to see both sides of a situation makes his judgements unprejudiced and objective. His role as a mediator is unquestioned. Law and legal matters can be of interest and talent does lie in this direction. As Pluto rules large corporations, corporation law can be a natural outlet for the energy. Your regeneration depends on your willingness to cross out any personal desires and be willing to serve "others" for the sake of service, with no ends of your own to serve. The Minerva aspect of Pluto comes to the fore when Love is more important than self. "He who loses himself will find himself".
quote:Originally posted by zodiacexpert:Hey Nicki,Thanks for the link and the subject! I've just been looking into my moon pluto conj in 25 degrees leo in my 12th and damn its pretty loaded vying with a loaded 8th house for plutonian weirdness which explains a lot!Cool,Kool,Kewlest!
your welcome...oh, and btw, i have a leo moon too...at 24 leo
quote:Originally posted by tuxedoMask:^ nice, mine's at 0
really? wow...i'm a little glad i dont have anthing at 0 of any sign....but then again 25 leo is supposed to be some "critical" degree
quote:Originally posted by Hello Pleiades:Boom, check this out http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/PLUTO.html 1736 to 1748.
Thanks!!!"GEORGE WASHINGTON, THOMAS JEFFERSON, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN AND OTHERS, MOST BORN WITH PLUTO IN SCORPIO."Woooohhhhh!!!!
quote:Originally posted by Stawr: Thanks!!!"GEORGE WASHINGTON, THOMAS JEFFERSON, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN AND OTHERS, MOST BORN WITH PLUTO IN SCORPIO."Woooohhhhh!!!!
did you know, more presidents have been scorpios than any other sign?
quote:Originally posted by NickiG: did you know, more presidents have been scorpios than any other sign?
No I didn't know that. That's what's up.
quote:PLUTO IN LIBRA: In the sign of Libra (1972 to 1984), Pluto's energy affects relationships, marriages, unions, and partnerships. Here the lessons of cooperation and compromise have to be learned. Global responsibility must be faced. Events are now soul size and planetary size. Every aspect of legislation and law and those who administer those laws will be challenged. We have to be involved before we can evolve. We are now touching the depths of all of us. The challenge of Pluto is what group or what ideology are we going to serve. In Libra, Pluto teaches us to understand the other fellow and think in terms of that "other" out there. It brings up to the surface the evils that have been hidden and kept out of sight. These evils have to be recognized and redeemed. There has been a loss of faith in dogma and creed. Pluto brings destruction of all outmoded legalities and hypocrisies. Many advanced souls have come in since 1945, and they will be the new leaders and statesmen. The highest aspect of Pluto in Libra will be the ability to recognize Love as a principle, not just as an emotion.PLUTO IN THE ELEVENTH HOUSE: This is the house of friendships, goals and objectives. Therefore the choice of friends and the goals chosen are going to be of utmost importance. If the wrong choice of friend is made, there can be sudden and unexpected disruptions. Great care must be taken in choosing the right groups with which to associate. Great discrimination must be used. There is a great need to choose your associates with care. Friends will come and friends will go. While they are in your life serve them well and you will purge yourself of all negatives inherent with this position. A well aspected Pluto here, especially to Jupiter, Venus, or Uranus gives great devotion to principles and to ideals to further the development of mankind. These people are the leaders who fight for causes that will benefit others. They have charisma and people are willing to follow them. They have many friends, and without friends, goals and objectives are not achieved.
In the sign of Libra (1972 to 1984), Pluto's energy affects relationships, marriages, unions, and partnerships. Here the lessons of cooperation and compromise have to be learned. Global responsibility must be faced. Events are now soul size and planetary size. Every aspect of legislation and law and those who administer those laws will be challenged. We have to be involved before we can evolve. We are now touching the depths of all of us. The challenge of Pluto is what group or what ideology are we going to serve. In Libra, Pluto teaches us to understand the other fellow and think in terms of that "other" out there. It brings up to the surface the evils that have been hidden and kept out of sight. These evils have to be recognized and redeemed. There has been a loss of faith in dogma and creed. Pluto brings destruction of all outmoded legalities and hypocrisies. Many advanced souls have come in since 1945, and they will be the new leaders and statesmen. The highest aspect of Pluto in Libra will be the ability to recognize Love as a principle, not just as an emotion.
PLUTO IN THE ELEVENTH HOUSE:
This is the house of friendships, goals and objectives. Therefore the choice of friends and the goals chosen are going to be of utmost importance. If the wrong choice of friend is made, there can be sudden and unexpected disruptions. Great care must be taken in choosing the right groups with which to associate. Great discrimination must be used. There is a great need to choose your associates with care. Friends will come and friends will go. While they are in your life serve them well and you will purge yourself of all negatives inherent with this position. A well aspected Pluto here, especially to Jupiter, Venus, or Uranus gives great devotion to principles and to ideals to further the development of mankind. These people are the leaders who fight for causes that will benefit others. They have charisma and people are willing to follow them. They have many friends, and without friends, goals and objectives are not achieved.
I didn't; that's interesting. You do mean their Sun sign, Nicki? I wonder why that is - perhaps a certain magnetism that draws voters?
mine is in Libra and in 12H. the description below is terrible
PLUTO IN TWELFTH HOUSE: This house is the most psychically permeable. Those who are willing to go through the purging will see light on the other side of darkness. Anyone with Twelfth house planets feels cribbed, cabined and confined by life on earth. It is difficult for them to submit to the rules of the road and to live by these rules. The enemy lies within. The highest side of Pluto in this house means the willingness to be a channel to help those who are limited and afflicted. The willingness to be nothing in order to serve humanity can bring the wisdom aspect of Minerva into operation. As long as the individual tries to live a personal life (in the sense that he chooses to enhance his own personality and his own power) he is confused and lose his sense of identity. He bogs down in a swamp of self-pity and self-recrimination. Again the choice that is so intimately tied with the Twelfth house is to serve or suffer. The choice is there. Only through service and the dissolving of the personal will, will freedom from the negative use of any energies in the Twelfth house come.
quote:Originally posted by sunshine9: I didn't; that's interesting. You do mean their Sun sign, Nicki? I wonder why that is - perhaps a certain magnetism that draws voters?
yes i do mean the sun sign....i think its the natural ability to lead and make up your mind and such....scorpios are almost literally born to lead (some of us a little more naturally) and since scorpio rules the subconsious i think that aids in heling to understand what the majority wants....Roosevelt was one of those scorpie prezis
and yes stawr, that is whats up lol
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