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T O P I C R E V I E Wsand..Well??FaithI guess it all depends on the situation.I have a lot of harsh aspects. All my planets are afflicted.I feel like my inner life is a bit difficult, so when life gets tough, it's more of the same, I am acclimated to harsh conditions, I can function through it without panicking. But sometimes a situation calls for creative problem solving, which doesn't happen as readily when someone is feeling tangled up internally.Usually I just try and compensate for my shortcomings by relying on my positive aspects. sweet-scorpionIn my opinion, even if the natal chart isn't overloaded with harsh aspects you can still encounter a lot of BS and difficulties and have to grapple with them, obviously. But if you have a good amount of harsh aspects the chances are greater of you being able to deal with those tough times like Faith pointed out. It can actually backfire, to answer the question straightforwardly, to have fewer versus more harsh aspects in some instances.Good example is myself, I have Venus conjunct Jupiter in my natal chart and when the going gets tough Mars-Uranus+Neptune opposition has made me feel like suicide or acting like a risk taking idiot is the only way out of my problems. This opposition is one of the few harsh aspects I have. So the Mars-Uranus opposition especially makes me feel like I have to do stupid things like having suicidal thoughts or exploding on people to solve my problems. If I had more harsh aspects to balance it out I suppose, it'd be easier for me and I wouldn't have such a hard time finding solutions to problems in my life besides just wanting to kill myself or do something impulsive that backfires on me. (I'm not suicidal right now, but I was on and off in the past... I'm trying to learn how to deal with it. It's surprising but actually it seems based on research there is a suicidal bent to harsh Mars-Uranus maybe.) HeraDepends I guess. Some never pick themselves up, remain defeated by life. But some get back up and IMO are the real winners in life. All successful people I know have difficult charts. But so do the ones with psychiatric problems, disabled and the criminals.. Really depends on what you choose to do with it. Faith^ Agreed, Hera. SS, I'm sorry to hear Mars-Uranus does that to you. Sounds very difficult.I see what you mean about how having that one bad aspect can almost be worse, more noticeable, than having several bad aspects. Like my Cap sun is square Jupiter (Aries) AND Pluto (Libra). As I like to think of it, this is better than having only one or the other bad aspect, because now my Jupiter and Pluto can just ram heads and leave my sun alone sometimes. I know...it doesn't really work like that...but a t-square seems more "stable" to me, the way a tricycle is stable.RunAroundScreamingI agree, sand. I feel the more overwhelmed you are already with your inner life, the more you are likely to give up in difficult situations bc ur just tired of dealing with difficult things lol. But out of frustration, you will probably eventually reach your goal and accomplish more than the guy with trines, just because you limited yourself so much, since that's kind of how ur personality is when u have a lot of squares..self-penalizing, cautious, restricting, etc (well unless its a square with jupiter or uranus haha)..for example, saving money, staying home and taking care of stuff when you could be out partying, etc.------------------"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage." - Lao Tzu$3.50 ebay compatibility readings | testimonials | Past readingssweet-scorpion quote:Originally posted by Faith:SS, I'm sorry to hear Mars-Uranus does that to you. Sounds very difficult.I see what you mean about how having that one bad aspect can almost be worse, more noticeable, than having several bad aspects. Like my Cap sun is square Jupiter (Aries) AND Pluto (Libra). As I like to think of it, this is better than having only one or the other bad aspect, because now my Jupiter and Pluto can just ram heads and leave my sun alone sometimes. I know...it doesn't really work like that...but a t-square seems more "stable" to me, the way a tricycle is stable.Thanks Faith. :') I know it can be tough sometimes but like Hera said, you have to be positive about life and just try to push ahead... except I also have Saturn in the 3rd and Mercury-Saturn which adds to a weird depression of the mind or really, a gloominess that covers my thoughts now and again. I have a Mercury that isn't necessarily afflicted but my Mercury is also square Mars and I've had breakdowns before... small ones but still breakdowns. That's a good point about your Sun. I think that I feel that way about my Mercury. It'd be much easier to deal with it if it would have a positive contact besides Saturn which is really bittersweet anyway, even if its a positive aspect. It'd be a lot easier to have it sextile something else and square or opposite something else to just give it more of an outlet. Like you said, Mars and another planet could clash and my Mercury could have some peace. :/ I wish it could be that way... YoursTrulyAlwaysLife is what you make it out to be. You don't get to choose your hand of cards, but you get to make the most of the hand of cards you are dealt. It's always possible to win a poker game even if you don't have a royal flush. Patience, diligence and motivation trumps all, including the harshest of aspects.aquaguy91well my sun conjunct saturn in the twelfth has made for a life full obstacles, but i get by somehow.sand quote:Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:Life is what you make it out to be. You don't get to choose your hand of cards, but you get to make the most of the hand of cards you are dealt. It's always possible to win a poker game even if you don't have a royal flush. Patience, diligence and motivation trumps all, including the harshest of aspects.Good analogy. My feeling is that I have a great set of cards but dunno how to play poker! though how I was able to analyze this was through bazi and not western. OdetteI just lost a pretty long post Anyway the gist was: Sometimes people with several harsh aspects - specially if these aspects involve masculine planets like the Sun and Mars - can feel like the world owes them *one*.If they have been through many difficulties in the past they reach a point where they just don't want to take any shi*t from anyone.This can be bad in some difficult situations - which require compromise.But at other times - their attitude can get things done.. so it can also be a good thing. sand quote:Originally posted by Hera:Depends I guess. Some never pick themselves up, remain defeated by life. But some get back up and IMO are the real winners in life. All successful people I know have difficult charts. But so do the ones with psychiatric problems, disabled and the criminals.. Really depends on what you choose to do with it. All??aquaguy91i was reading somewhere about brooke shields chart full of squares, the person was saying look what she accomplished with all those squares.and i was thinking yea maybe, but her hotness probably opened quiet a few doors for her lol.sand^jodie foster is another one I remember mentioned here.. Scorpio stellium might add to the resiliency though.. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Foster,_Jodie Of those that have it easy I remember beyonce being mentioned as well. http://www.astrotheme.com/celestar/portrait.php?clef=m4b7MKr6WY6e&info=1 PhoenixFireWell, I have quite a few harsh aspects and attribute these to my warrior spirit. Few things get me down, and when I am down, I pick myself up again very quickly. I set my eyes onto a goal and achieve it sooner or later.I don't give up on myself, and have little patience for people who whine and expect success to fall into their laps with no effort. I see the world as our own making, and that it doesn't owe anyone anything. While luck and circumstances are out of our control, we are each responsible for our own choices, and complaining w/o action is a waste.My partner and his sibling both have what may be viewed as easy natal charts, lots of trines and few inharmonious aspects. Both have had easy lives (their own words), with little struggle on their part to achieve anything. I think this has a big part to do with why neither is good at managing stress. The sibling freaks out over minor things, and has even had a few nervous breakdowns. Granted this person may have an anxiety or other mental disorder, but the lack of struggle combined with never having to be responsible/accountable for anything doesn't help.My partner has always relied on parents or myself for any major decision, lacking the backbone to take a risk for fear of failure, as he has never had the opportunity to fail at anything. When things don't go his way, he shrinks into his shell and mopes and it takes the force of the world to prompt him to try again later. It is almost as if having an easy chart/life history helped him become lazy/unmotivated. I know this isn't the only factor, and that there are driven people with lack of harsh natal aspects. I really think there is some kind of connection, as I have noticed similar patterns with other people with similar chart make up. Rosalind quote:Originally posted by sand:..Well??On the contrary. Have you heard that say: What doesnt kill you make you stronger? Its perfectly available for people with hard aspects in their charts.Doux RêveSome very good points here Maybe in the first part of life you tend to be overwhelmed by your own inner contradictions and tensions, so you tend to freak out and create chaos, because you don't know how to deal with all the BS (even if it's in your head). But later on (hopefully) you learn to face difficult situations in a better way because you were confronted to internal/external pressure early anyway, so most people who are able to think for themselves will tell themselves "I can't go on like this. I must change things". And that's where the hard aspects come into play in a more positive way, they push you to grow and evolve, because you're so tired of the bull that you just long for a transformation. But of course some people don't make it to that point and wallow in self-pity and martyrdom/angst etc. and just stay at a low level. I think it's very difficult to actually evolve and grow for good, it requires courage and self-awareness, perseverance and faith. Few people are willing to take a real good look at themselves and actually take action to improve their lives.So it's a tricky thing. Can go either way.Hera quote:Originally posted by Doux Rêve:Some very good points here Maybe in the first part of life you tend to be overwhelmed by your own inner contradictions and tensions, so you tend to freak out and create chaos, because you don't know how to deal with all the BS (even if it's in your head). But later on (hopefully) you learn to face difficult situations in a better way because you were confronted to internal/external pressure early anyway, so most people who are able to think for themselves will tell themselves "I can't go on like this. I must change things". And that's where the hard aspects come into play in a more positive way, they push you to grow and evolve, because you're so tired of the bull that you just long for a transformation. But of course some people don't make it to that point and wallow in self-pity and martyrdom/angst etc. and just stay at a low level. I think it's very difficult to actually evolve and grow for good, it requires courage and self-awareness, perseverance and faith. Few people are willing to take a real good look at themselves and actually take action to improve their lives.So it's a tricky thing. Can go either way.That's how I see it too. You are the ultimate deciding factor in your life. As you know, the difference between winners and losers is not in the number of times you fall down, but in that last time you get up. Winners never quit, quitters never win. ------------------Do not make someone a priority when you are only an option to them..HeraI think a great deal of soft aspects makes a person complacent and lazy. Okay, maybe they were born pretty, with wealth and had support all their lives from family or friends. Dunno about you guys but that would bore the hell out of me. I think I wouldn't want to work a day in my life, stay home all day, smoke pot and play video games. Zero growth. Idk, I guess I love my life particularly because it was hard. Makes me feel like a survivor, never a victim. PhoenixFire quote:Originally posted by Hera:I think a great deal of soft aspects makes a person complacent and lazy. Okay, maybe they were born pretty, with wealth and had support all their lives from family or friends. Dunno about you guys but that would bore the hell out of me. I think I wouldn't want to work a day in my life, stay home all day, smoke pot and play video games. Zero growth. Idk, I guess I love my life particularly because it was hard. Makes me feel like a survivor, never a victim. Totally agree, Hera. If life was always without challlenges, how would we learn and grow? My life hasn't been easy, but it was the challenges which motivated me to be the person I am now. I really like the person that I have grown up to be, and imagine that without past struggles, I wouldn't have half of my character.It was the saddness and hurts of the past which bring me to appreciate the joys and love of now. How would we appreciate the light, without having known the dark? Having been through struggle, and overcome it, the next time a hard patch comes up in the road, I know that inside of me there is strength to overcome it.YoursTrulyAlwaysI wear my life challenges as battle scars that I display proudly to show how far I've come. The first thing I did growing up was to toss out nepotism and family wealth. Now, whatever I have, I worked for it myself. No one else can take credit for my accomplishments. HeraI think the trickiest are conjunctions. Oppositions you get to project onto another and only deal with one planet at a time. Squares create so much tension that they are forcing you to set it free. But conjunctions? They're so self-involved, there is no escape.. energy is so concentrated within the aspect, there is no projection, no "outer help". They still create tension, I think, because they're hard aspects, but one that is self-contained. I have days when I think they're worse than squares. kamaI think harsh aspects are particularely difficult in youth, because you habe no idea why all those ugly things are happening, why you are not loved enough or why all those horrible situations occur. But a difficult chart makes you creative, you have to find solutions, you have to learn and improve your survival skills. So with experience and age I think you might be able to handle difficult situations much better than people with trines all over.kama
I have a lot of harsh aspects. All my planets are afflicted.
I feel like my inner life is a bit difficult, so when life gets tough, it's more of the same, I am acclimated to harsh conditions, I can function through it without panicking.
But sometimes a situation calls for creative problem solving, which doesn't happen as readily when someone is feeling tangled up internally.
Usually I just try and compensate for my shortcomings by relying on my positive aspects.
It can actually backfire, to answer the question straightforwardly, to have fewer versus more harsh aspects in some instances.
Good example is myself, I have Venus conjunct Jupiter in my natal chart and when the going gets tough Mars-Uranus+Neptune opposition has made me feel like suicide or acting like a risk taking idiot is the only way out of my problems. This opposition is one of the few harsh aspects I have. So the Mars-Uranus opposition especially makes me feel like I have to do stupid things like having suicidal thoughts or exploding on people to solve my problems. If I had more harsh aspects to balance it out I suppose, it'd be easier for me and I wouldn't have such a hard time finding solutions to problems in my life besides just wanting to kill myself or do something impulsive that backfires on me. (I'm not suicidal right now, but I was on and off in the past... I'm trying to learn how to deal with it. It's surprising but actually it seems based on research there is a suicidal bent to harsh Mars-Uranus maybe.)
Really depends on what you choose to do with it.
SS, I'm sorry to hear Mars-Uranus does that to you. Sounds very difficult.
I see what you mean about how having that one bad aspect can almost be worse, more noticeable, than having several bad aspects. Like my Cap sun is square Jupiter (Aries) AND Pluto (Libra). As I like to think of it, this is better than having only one or the other bad aspect, because now my Jupiter and Pluto can just ram heads and leave my sun alone sometimes.
I know...it doesn't really work like that...but a t-square seems more "stable" to me, the way a tricycle is stable.
------------------"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage." - Lao Tzu
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quote:Originally posted by Faith:SS, I'm sorry to hear Mars-Uranus does that to you. Sounds very difficult.I see what you mean about how having that one bad aspect can almost be worse, more noticeable, than having several bad aspects. Like my Cap sun is square Jupiter (Aries) AND Pluto (Libra). As I like to think of it, this is better than having only one or the other bad aspect, because now my Jupiter and Pluto can just ram heads and leave my sun alone sometimes. I know...it doesn't really work like that...but a t-square seems more "stable" to me, the way a tricycle is stable.
Thanks Faith. :') I know it can be tough sometimes but like Hera said, you have to be positive about life and just try to push ahead... except I also have Saturn in the 3rd and Mercury-Saturn which adds to a weird depression of the mind or really, a gloominess that covers my thoughts now and again. I have a Mercury that isn't necessarily afflicted but my Mercury is also square Mars and I've had breakdowns before... small ones but still breakdowns.
That's a good point about your Sun. I think that I feel that way about my Mercury. It'd be much easier to deal with it if it would have a positive contact besides Saturn which is really bittersweet anyway, even if its a positive aspect. It'd be a lot easier to have it sextile something else and square or opposite something else to just give it more of an outlet. Like you said, Mars and another planet could clash and my Mercury could have some peace. :/ I wish it could be that way...
quote:Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:Life is what you make it out to be. You don't get to choose your hand of cards, but you get to make the most of the hand of cards you are dealt. It's always possible to win a poker game even if you don't have a royal flush. Patience, diligence and motivation trumps all, including the harshest of aspects.
Good analogy. My feeling is that I have a great set of cards but dunno how to play poker! though how I was able to analyze this was through bazi and not western.
Anyway the gist was:
Sometimes people with several harsh aspects - specially if these aspects involve masculine planets like the Sun and Mars - can feel like the world owes them *one*.If they have been through many difficulties in the past they reach a point where they just don't want to take any shi*t from anyone.This can be bad in some difficult situations - which require compromise.But at other times - their attitude can get things done.. so it can also be a good thing.
quote:Originally posted by Hera:Depends I guess. Some never pick themselves up, remain defeated by life. But some get back up and IMO are the real winners in life. All successful people I know have difficult charts. But so do the ones with psychiatric problems, disabled and the criminals.. Really depends on what you choose to do with it.
All??
Of those that have it easy I remember beyonce being mentioned as well. http://www.astrotheme.com/celestar/portrait.php?clef=m4b7MKr6WY6e&info=1
I don't give up on myself, and have little patience for people who whine and expect success to fall into their laps with no effort. I see the world as our own making, and that it doesn't owe anyone anything. While luck and circumstances are out of our control, we are each responsible for our own choices, and complaining w/o action is a waste.
My partner and his sibling both have what may be viewed as easy natal charts, lots of trines and few inharmonious aspects. Both have had easy lives (their own words), with little struggle on their part to achieve anything.
I think this has a big part to do with why neither is good at managing stress. The sibling freaks out over minor things, and has even had a few nervous breakdowns.
Granted this person may have an anxiety or other mental disorder, but the lack of struggle combined with never having to be responsible/accountable for anything doesn't help.
My partner has always relied on parents or myself for any major decision, lacking the backbone to take a risk for fear of failure, as he has never had the opportunity to fail at anything.
When things don't go his way, he shrinks into his shell and mopes and it takes the force of the world to prompt him to try again later. It is almost as if having an easy chart/life history helped him become lazy/unmotivated.
I know this isn't the only factor, and that there are driven people with lack of harsh natal aspects. I really think there is some kind of connection, as I have noticed similar patterns with other people with similar chart make up.
quote:Originally posted by sand:..Well??
On the contrary. Have you heard that say: What doesnt kill you make you stronger? Its perfectly available for people with hard aspects in their charts.
Maybe in the first part of life you tend to be overwhelmed by your own inner contradictions and tensions, so you tend to freak out and create chaos, because you don't know how to deal with all the BS (even if it's in your head). But later on (hopefully) you learn to face difficult situations in a better way because you were confronted to internal/external pressure early anyway, so most people who are able to think for themselves will tell themselves "I can't go on like this. I must change things". And that's where the hard aspects come into play in a more positive way, they push you to grow and evolve, because you're so tired of the bull that you just long for a transformation. But of course some people don't make it to that point and wallow in self-pity and martyrdom/angst etc. and just stay at a low level. I think it's very difficult to actually evolve and grow for good, it requires courage and self-awareness, perseverance and faith. Few people are willing to take a real good look at themselves and actually take action to improve their lives.
So it's a tricky thing. Can go either way.
quote:Originally posted by Doux Rêve:Some very good points here Maybe in the first part of life you tend to be overwhelmed by your own inner contradictions and tensions, so you tend to freak out and create chaos, because you don't know how to deal with all the BS (even if it's in your head). But later on (hopefully) you learn to face difficult situations in a better way because you were confronted to internal/external pressure early anyway, so most people who are able to think for themselves will tell themselves "I can't go on like this. I must change things". And that's where the hard aspects come into play in a more positive way, they push you to grow and evolve, because you're so tired of the bull that you just long for a transformation. But of course some people don't make it to that point and wallow in self-pity and martyrdom/angst etc. and just stay at a low level. I think it's very difficult to actually evolve and grow for good, it requires courage and self-awareness, perseverance and faith. Few people are willing to take a real good look at themselves and actually take action to improve their lives.So it's a tricky thing. Can go either way.
That's how I see it too. You are the ultimate deciding factor in your life. As you know, the difference between winners and losers is not in the number of times you fall down, but in that last time you get up.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
------------------Do not make someone a priority when you are only an option to them..
Idk, I guess I love my life particularly because it was hard. Makes me feel like a survivor, never a victim.
quote:Originally posted by Hera:I think a great deal of soft aspects makes a person complacent and lazy. Okay, maybe they were born pretty, with wealth and had support all their lives from family or friends. Dunno about you guys but that would bore the hell out of me. I think I wouldn't want to work a day in my life, stay home all day, smoke pot and play video games. Zero growth. Idk, I guess I love my life particularly because it was hard. Makes me feel like a survivor, never a victim.
Totally agree, Hera. If life was always without challlenges, how would we learn and grow? My life hasn't been easy, but it was the challenges which motivated me to be the person I am now. I really like the person that I have grown up to be, and imagine that without past struggles, I wouldn't have half of my character.
It was the saddness and hurts of the past which bring me to appreciate the joys and love of now. How would we appreciate the light, without having known the dark? Having been through struggle, and overcome it, the next time a hard patch comes up in the road, I know that inside of me there is strength to overcome it.
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