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ueharaa | Can you identify with your heliocentric (tropical) placements? I've been intrigued by this chart. It is supposed to represent our higher self, yet I wonder if we can somehow have access to it? In an heliocentric chart the moon is always opposed the tropical sun. Does this have any deeper meaning? And what are the effects in synastry with someone else's heliocentric or tropical chart? If there are aspects (conjunction and opposition) in the heliocentric, can we say that at a higher level, they "get" each other (or challenge each other)? And what if someone's tropical planets conjunct or opposed your heliocentric ones,how would such an aspect manifest itself? For example, a venus -mars opposition in the tropical synastry shows potential sexual attraction and tension. But what if it's in the heliocentric chart? And how is it different if A's tropical mars is opposed to B's heliocentric venus? I hope I'm not too confusing
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ueharaa | Nobody is interested in heliocentric chart ? |
RedScorp | I don't really pay attention to heliocentric charts because, I forget who brought it up, but we were not born on the sun. Therefore the heliocentric chart wouldn't have affect on us. |
ueharaa | That's a great argument you have here It might be the reason why there are so few articles and studies of heliocentric charts.. I'm still very tempted to think that they hold some significance, especially when it comes to understanding how things are intertwined. |
eyes_like_pisces | Bump |
SDragon | Speaking abstractly, I find it fascinating that the Tropical chart 'views' the Sun from the Geocentric point of view while the Heliocentric chart has the Sun 'viewing' the Earth. When one thinks that the Earth is a receiver of the Sun's energies, while the Sun is a emitter of the Solar energy - one can almost compare the analogy that the Earth (Personality) needs to be refined and submitted before the Sun (Higher Self/Christ Consciousness/Soul) can truly express itself. When viewing your Sun 'sign' and Earth 'sign' in both charts, they are always opposite to each other creating a strong axis which needs to be transcended, for we are not the signs or the energies of either but exist beyond both. By letting go of the personality, we accept the gifts that have always been there but were just shrouded or veiled by the three forms that energy crystallizes in - matter, emotions, astral/mental. I'll stop there for now, but being able to use your Heliocentric chart has nothing to do with using or gaining anything - it's just the life force working through you - your true essence (or Bhudda nature). |
Ceridwen | quote: Originally posted by SDragon: it's just the life force working through you - your true essence (or Bhudda nature).
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Kerosene | Curious about helio synastry I bet that has soul connections everyone is always looking for. |
Ellynlvx | My daughter and I were playing with the Synastry charts a week or two ago... |
Kerosene | what did you find? |
Ceridwen | quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: Curious about helio synastry I bet that has soul connections everyone is always looking for.
That is why I relied on it so heavily in the twinflame-thread. Yes.
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Ellynlvx | quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: what did you find?
She decided that she just didn't belong on this Planet, cause they all sucked for hers. |
Ellynlvx | I told her that's all right, I'm an Alien too. |
Kerosene | Agreed. Cause Mercury and Venus is on Pleiades so they don't understand me...
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Ellynlvx | I Love Those Girls too! |
Delilah423 | Thanks for bumping this, Ceri, especially by highlighting the quote you did. I've looked at my helio before, and couldn't relate. Today, I like at it and it makes more sense than the natal I've been looking at for decades. Duh. Lightbulbs, etc. |
summerlite | Use it with sabian symbols for better understanding. |
Kerosene | arent they so lovely i swear Maniullus described me to a T but is throwing shade quote: The Pleiades, sisters who vie with each other's radiance. Beneath their influence devotees of Bacchus (god of wine and ecstasy) and Venus (goddess of love) are born into the kindly light, and people whose insouciance runs free at feasts and banquets and who strive to provoke sweet mirth with biting wit. They will always take pains over personal adornment and an elegant appearance they will set their locks in waves of curls or confine their tresses with bands, building them into a thick topknot, and they will transform the appearance of the head by adding hair to it; they will smooth their hairy limbs with the porous pumice, loathing their manhood and craving for sleekness of arm. They adopt feminine dress, footwear donned not for wear but for show, and an affected effeminate gait. They are ashamed of their sex; in their hearts dwells a senseless passion, and they boast of their malady, which they call a virtue. To give their love is never enough."
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Ellynlvx | Might be able to do the Reports, never tried. I have been giving people their Geometric Chart Patterns, and it includes them. |
Ceridwen | quote: Originally posted by Delilah423: Thanks for bumping this, Ceri, especially by highlighting the quote you did.I've looked at my helio before, and couldn't relate. Today, I like at it and it makes more sense than the natal I've been looking at for decades. Duh. Lightbulbs, etc.
Same here. When I was looking at them before, I didn`t quite "get" it, but it slowly starts unraveling and making more sense.
Though I find it weird with my difficult Venus-Mars in tropical (Venus semisextile Mars), to see that in helio Venus is sextile Mars and also sextile Jupiter, and Mars and Jupiter are trine, and Mars is in scorpio instead of being in Sag (Venus stays in Cap, just moves a few degrees). |
Ellynlvx | Nope, wouldn't work. Darn. That's really Beautiful, Kerosene. |
Kerosene | Yeah it's weird at first.. Mars shifts to Pisces And Venus taurus but Mercury is still in Gemini.Most interesting aspects Mars opp Jupiter. Venus opp Pluto. Earth Square Mars. |
jjj | I resonate with mine, I have Chiron parallel to Venus there (latitudes). I find helio synastry interesting and giving the missing piece of puzzle. |