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T O P I C R E V I E WSerpeantKingI have Pluto in Scorpio(in the 12th house) opposing Mars in Taurus(in the 7th house) in my chart. Pluto is in loose conjunction with Saturn and Mars is in tight conjunction with the true node. I was hoping someone could give some insight as to what this means?HeraUgh. I've got Aries Mars opp Pluto (and Saturn, since I also have Sat conj Pluto). The Nodes make trines and sextiles to the oppositions, not conjunctions. I've learned that this aspect has a distinct importance in my life. I have a history of abuses as a child, rape attempts etc which marked my psychology significantly. As an adult I was still drawn to the energy, but in a different way. Pluto rules MC so I took up a career in plastic (Pluto) surgery (Mars). And a short-lived experience in more extreme types of sexuality. Wanted to learn martial arts, still have not done it. I think I'd be pretty good at it. HeraI have it on the 3rd/9th house axis. The houses the opposition happens in are very important. I found I am always trying to balance out my thinking vs other people's ideas or concepts. Being a competitive Mars, I take it personally (silly, I know). I grow by mirroring my own dark thinking into others'. Finding freaks like me out there was liberating. I constantly project my issues onto others, which makes me able to recognize them. I am otherwise pretty oblivious until I see them in another, so I seek like minded souls because I need this constant back-and-forth exchange. Idk if this helps. SerpeantKingmmmm it seems you and i have suffered similar things but it doesn't seem to end with adulthood with me... SerpeantKing that's me a few years ago, i've been training for 22 years...Hera quote:Originally posted by SerpeantKing:mmmm it seems you and i have suffered similar things but it doesn't seem to end with adulthood with me... It doesn't end. It never ends. You just have to find positive outlets for it. What I found in retrospect is that the energy needs to be expressed. If you repress it, it bites you in the arse. Personally I don't want to wake up at gun point one day with my back against the wall, because this is what this aspect brought into my life. I suppose because the opposition happened on the "mental houses", the most damage was done psychologically. Like it weren't enough I imagine having Pluto in the 12th has to do with psychological traumas too, though maybe a bit harder to grasp. Do you have nightmares?Congrats on your training accomplishments! I think it is a very good outlet, especially with Mars in the 7th who likes 1 on 1. I also like to drive aggressively, I suppose, and it is another outlet but I need to be careful with it. :/ SerpeantKingWe'll you now, I've had plenty of guns put to my head and have done the same. As a matter of fact, I killed two men a couple years ago after they invaded my home and put a gun to my pregnant gf's head. Me and my roomate at a time(A Scorpio) found out where they sleep, came right into their home and beat the daylights out of them with a pistol, threw them in the back of a trunk and drove out into the middle of the desert. I let them see my battered face(they almost killed me when I tried to intervene) and when they asked what I was going to do with them, I looked at my Mexican friend and told them "Nothing". We just left them there in the desert(hundreds of miles away from any help). They were pretty much naked and without shoes or socks. The desert heat reaches about 110 in the summer easily. I'm sure they didn't make it and suffered greatly. I don't feel bad about it and honestly, felt a sense of completion, that justice was served. I do have nightmares though. Most of them involve being chased by others, sometimes police, sometimes shadows, nevertheless I am always running away. The landscape is always similar too, a coastal town. A lot of nightmares of being hit by 1000 foot tall tsunamis. But hey, I can fly in my dreams!HeraThat is typical Mars/Pluto, yeah. Both the 7th and the 12th houses are enemy houses, hidden and secret. You should watch out for that. Good thing you can defend yourself! I have not done anything so extreme. Guns are not common where I live, thank goodness for that. I've got out of my messy situations by psychological manipulation, because my planets are on the 3rd/9th axis. I am in a way concerned because I am considering relocating and my relocation chart puts the opposition on the 6th/12th axis (with Pluto in the 12th, yeah).. I am also considering switching to forensics. Would certainly make sense. Gore on a daily basis. SerpeantKingI feel the pluto in the 12th house gives me a psychic ability to know exactly what my enemies are thinking, plotting and doing. If something isn't right about someone, I'll know and some people like to say I'm paranoid but what I claim about people reveals itself eventually. Life is just crazy and people can be extremely manipulative. Well you know, having a guy try to rape you is pretty horrible. I always found things like that pretty disturbing. If I knew you though, I would have protected you. ;-). Why forensics? And what are you doing now and where are you from?HeraMay I see your whole chart?Ann7Serpent King.... Wow. Just wow. My experience with this combo has been that it makes a person vengeful if wronged and slightly sadistic. Sexually, a person will be a bit extreme (depending on other factors in the chart). One of my closest friends has this exact. Nicest guy in the world unless you wrong him and especially if you wrong someone that he loves. AriesLilithWow, souch extreme experiences!I have Taurus Mars in the 9th house oppose Scorpio Pluto in the 3rd, both square Aqua Jupiter at the 6th house Also, they trine/sextile Capricorn Neptune in the 5th house and Virgo AC.I do think that I have some anger issues, not in a sense that I have been violent towards others, but rather not knowing how to redirect it healthily. I tend to avoid conflicts, and be an easy bully target, as I don't know how to react back. Thought this is only more with strangers. With those I'm close to, my only issues are that if I get too emotional, I might cry as an outlet, or need to walk away to cool off.Also, another issue is similar to Hera's. When it comes to arguing with others, I feel that I might take it too personally, specially when it comes to beliefs. I can be pretty tolerant of differences, but when people disagree with me, specially if they are not diplomatic in their disagreement, I tend to feel obsessive with arguing back. So you can imagine me arguing in online forums, and when someone disagrees, I get very obsessed with it to the point of having mental debate with myself and imaginary opponents 'till the real debate on the forums gets closure. It can be very draining mentally, and it's something that makes me question myself, why it bothers me so much. But curiously, invoking my Neptune side helps.Another issue is that I have to figure out what I really believe, and if I really do firmly believe in what I believe.Also, I tend to have a negative mind pattern when I get moody or down. For example, if I'm emotionally affected by something, I might think of the worst and dwell on those thoughts and negativity. I have learned to acknowledge this state and only make decisions when I feel better.Lately, somehow I became more reactive towards potential conflicts with strangers lol. For example, if someone crosses my waiting line, I would talk to them (nicely ), and if they ignore me then I'll walk past them. I have been feeling prouder of myself for being better at standing up for myself lately. SerpeantKing quote:Originally posted by Ann7:Serpent King.... Wow. Just wow. My experience with this combo has been that it makes a person vengeful if wronged and slightly sadistic. Sexually, a person will be a bit extreme (depending on other factors in the chart). One of my closest friends has this exact. Nicest guy in the world unless you wrong him and especially if you wrong someone that he loves. Just hit the nail on the head right there... I'm not really sexually extreme though but I can definitely Guerilla *** you so loud, neighbors down the street will hear it. I'm more so erotic... Really really dirty... a freak. SerpeantKing quote:Originally posted by AriesLilith:Wow, souch extreme experiences!I have Taurus Mars in the 9th house oppose Scorpio Pluto in the 3rd, both square Aqua Jupiter at the 6th house Also, they trine/sextile Capricorn Neptune in the 5th house and Virgo AC.I do think that I have some anger issues, not in a sense that I have been violent towards others, but rather not knowing how to redirect it healthily. I tend to avoid conflicts, and be an easy bully target, as I don't know how to react back. Thought this is only more with strangers. With those I'm close to, my only issues are that if I get too emotional, I might cry as an outlet, or need to walk away to cool off.Also, another issue is similar to Hera's. When it comes to arguing with others, I feel that I might take it too personally, specially when it comes to beliefs. I can be pretty tolerant of differences, but when people disagree with me, specially if they are not diplomatic in their disagreement, I tend to feel obsessive with arguing back. So you can imagine me arguing in online forums, and when someone disagrees, I get very obsessed with it to the point of having mental debate with myself and imaginary opponents 'till the real debate on the forums gets closure. It can be very draining mentally, and it's something that makes me question myself, why it bothers me so much. But curiously, invoking my Neptune side helps.Another issue is that I have to figure out what I really believe, and if I really do firmly believe in what I believe.Also, I tend to have a negative mind pattern when I get moody or down. For example, if I'm emotionally affected by something, I might think of the worst and dwell on those thoughts and negativity. I have learned to acknowledge this state and only make decisions when I feel better.Lately, somehow I became more reactive towards potential conflicts with strangers lol. For example, if someone crosses my waiting line, I would talk to them (nicely ), and if they ignore me then I'll walk past them. I have been feeling prouder of myself for being better at standing up for myself lately. hell yeah, don't take no shYt from others... SerpeantKing quote:Originally posted by Hera:May I see your whole chart? HeraThank you for posting, SerpeantKing. I thought I was wrong because you do seem very much like a Mars-Pluto person, but you don't have it. You also don't have Saturn conj Pluto. You have a wide Mars-Saturn opposition, though. That one is just as bad, I have it too. SerpeantKingYeah their at war with each other. Saturn wants me to do the right thing and be fair, put the best foot forward. Mars wants me to *** **** up. LOL, USUALLY, Saturn wins. But then again Mars conjunct the true node... My friend, a Gemini, has Saturn and Pluto in exact conjunction in Libra. He actually served in the Army(like me) and is a combat veteran. He has a lot of horrible stories to tell, where they used to invade villages and shoot EVERYONE. Unlike me, he has nightmares... He's a big Scott.(Actually hails from Scottland) while me, I'm Turkish. What is your blood? HeraI am Romanian. You don't look Turkish much.
I've learned that this aspect has a distinct importance in my life. I have a history of abuses as a child, rape attempts etc which marked my psychology significantly. As an adult I was still drawn to the energy, but in a different way. Pluto rules MC so I took up a career in plastic (Pluto) surgery (Mars). And a short-lived experience in more extreme types of sexuality. Wanted to learn martial arts, still have not done it. I think I'd be pretty good at it.
Idk if this helps.
that's me a few years ago, i've been training for 22 years...
quote:Originally posted by SerpeantKing:mmmm it seems you and i have suffered similar things but it doesn't seem to end with adulthood with me...
It doesn't end.
It never ends. You just have to find positive outlets for it. What I found in retrospect is that the energy needs to be expressed. If you repress it, it bites you in the arse. Personally I don't want to wake up at gun point one day with my back against the wall, because this is what this aspect brought into my life. I suppose because the opposition happened on the "mental houses", the most damage was done psychologically. Like it weren't enough I imagine having Pluto in the 12th has to do with psychological traumas too, though maybe a bit harder to grasp. Do you have nightmares?
Congrats on your training accomplishments! I think it is a very good outlet, especially with Mars in the 7th who likes 1 on 1. I also like to drive aggressively, I suppose, and it is another outlet but I need to be careful with it. :/
My experience with this combo has been that it makes a person vengeful if wronged and slightly sadistic. Sexually, a person will be a bit extreme (depending on other factors in the chart). One of my closest friends has this exact. Nicest guy in the world unless you wrong him and especially if you wrong someone that he loves.
I have Taurus Mars in the 9th house oppose Scorpio Pluto in the 3rd, both square Aqua Jupiter at the 6th house Also, they trine/sextile Capricorn Neptune in the 5th house and Virgo AC.
I do think that I have some anger issues, not in a sense that I have been violent towards others, but rather not knowing how to redirect it healthily. I tend to avoid conflicts, and be an easy bully target, as I don't know how to react back. Thought this is only more with strangers. With those I'm close to, my only issues are that if I get too emotional, I might cry as an outlet, or need to walk away to cool off.Also, another issue is similar to Hera's. When it comes to arguing with others, I feel that I might take it too personally, specially when it comes to beliefs. I can be pretty tolerant of differences, but when people disagree with me, specially if they are not diplomatic in their disagreement, I tend to feel obsessive with arguing back. So you can imagine me arguing in online forums, and when someone disagrees, I get very obsessed with it to the point of having mental debate with myself and imaginary opponents 'till the real debate on the forums gets closure. It can be very draining mentally, and it's something that makes me question myself, why it bothers me so much. But curiously, invoking my Neptune side helps.
Another issue is that I have to figure out what I really believe, and if I really do firmly believe in what I believe.Also, I tend to have a negative mind pattern when I get moody or down. For example, if I'm emotionally affected by something, I might think of the worst and dwell on those thoughts and negativity. I have learned to acknowledge this state and only make decisions when I feel better.
Lately, somehow I became more reactive towards potential conflicts with strangers lol. For example, if someone crosses my waiting line, I would talk to them (nicely ), and if they ignore me then I'll walk past them. I have been feeling prouder of myself for being better at standing up for myself lately.
quote:Originally posted by Ann7:Serpent King.... Wow. Just wow. My experience with this combo has been that it makes a person vengeful if wronged and slightly sadistic. Sexually, a person will be a bit extreme (depending on other factors in the chart). One of my closest friends has this exact. Nicest guy in the world unless you wrong him and especially if you wrong someone that he loves.
Just hit the nail on the head right there... I'm not really sexually extreme though but I can definitely Guerilla *** you so loud, neighbors down the street will hear it. I'm more so erotic... Really really dirty... a freak.
quote:Originally posted by AriesLilith:Wow, souch extreme experiences!I have Taurus Mars in the 9th house oppose Scorpio Pluto in the 3rd, both square Aqua Jupiter at the 6th house Also, they trine/sextile Capricorn Neptune in the 5th house and Virgo AC.I do think that I have some anger issues, not in a sense that I have been violent towards others, but rather not knowing how to redirect it healthily. I tend to avoid conflicts, and be an easy bully target, as I don't know how to react back. Thought this is only more with strangers. With those I'm close to, my only issues are that if I get too emotional, I might cry as an outlet, or need to walk away to cool off.Also, another issue is similar to Hera's. When it comes to arguing with others, I feel that I might take it too personally, specially when it comes to beliefs. I can be pretty tolerant of differences, but when people disagree with me, specially if they are not diplomatic in their disagreement, I tend to feel obsessive with arguing back. So you can imagine me arguing in online forums, and when someone disagrees, I get very obsessed with it to the point of having mental debate with myself and imaginary opponents 'till the real debate on the forums gets closure. It can be very draining mentally, and it's something that makes me question myself, why it bothers me so much. But curiously, invoking my Neptune side helps.Another issue is that I have to figure out what I really believe, and if I really do firmly believe in what I believe.Also, I tend to have a negative mind pattern when I get moody or down. For example, if I'm emotionally affected by something, I might think of the worst and dwell on those thoughts and negativity. I have learned to acknowledge this state and only make decisions when I feel better.Lately, somehow I became more reactive towards potential conflicts with strangers lol. For example, if someone crosses my waiting line, I would talk to them (nicely ), and if they ignore me then I'll walk past them. I have been feeling prouder of myself for being better at standing up for myself lately.
hell yeah, don't take no shYt from others...
quote:Originally posted by Hera:May I see your whole chart?
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