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T O P I C R E V I E WcaramelOn one astrology blog I read that these people have committed suicide in their past life and its their duty to fulfill their karmic debt in this life. Does anyone else interpret the 12h stellium this way?Not to sound overly dramatic but this is the way I feel right now. Honestly, I have not done people much wrong in this life (on the contrary I am an extreme advocate for kindness) but I fail at everything I start despite trying for years, I keep arriving at dead-ends before nearing completion of any task. Or face extreme vulnerability consequential of manipulation at the hands of people who have authority over me... at which point I feel compelled to wish for the end of my life to come sooner. Plus I cant say no...and to think I am aries.Any ways to overcome this manner of thinking? Any fellow 12housers out there care to share a remedy for my psyche?StarlightSmileSupremeI was suicidal some as a teenager. It could be some kind of death due to bad circumstances, maybe even an execution of some kind? What do you think?caramel quote:Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:I was suicidal some as a teenager. It could be some kind of death due to bad circumstances, maybe even an execution of some kind? What do you think?Interesting take.. execution. Well I wouldn't doubt it with all this aries in me. She must have gotten into trouble. LolBarbiegirl19I have my sun, moon, mercury and Jupiter in 12th and at one point in my life I had a hard time. I had a severe eating disorder, extremely depressed and suicidal. You know what helped me honestly? One day I just decided you know what there are crap ton of other people out in the world who are happy with a heck of a lot less than I have. They're going through things a thousand times more difficult than I am, so if they can do it so can I. I became very optimitic and happy and my whole life changed. I was brighter and happier. I've always had many friends and it's like my friends liked me even more than before. I became just very happy with myself and didn't even care about my weight anymore. Although I had never even been heavy to begin with. So I think really just filling your brain with nothing but pure happy and positive thoughts really changes a person. It really makes you just a better person, therefore eliminating many issues and problems. Learn from your past and stop trying to correct. Life for now. Just my opinion. deepseabluesI have two planets in 12th and two on same degree as ascendant, and I do believe I came into this life to pay a lot of karmic debt, have suffered a lot of pain and depression. The only reason I don't kill myself is because I have a deep inner knowing that if I do I will just have to come back to learn the same lessons and probably have a worse life, probably I have this knowing because I have killed myself in a past life. I know I was a giant POS in past lives to have the life I have chosen and am currently trying to sort out what exactly I did, although I know part of it was being a horrible selfish parent as everything returns to the source and my childhood was pretty harsh and cold and always knew I could not have done anything in this life to deserve what I experienced and how I feel. As to getting over the mentality I just try to grow and learn and understand myself and *try* (not always easy in the moment..) to accept any and all suffering that comes my way as my own and debt to be paid off, if you will. The one past life memory I am absolutely sure of is that I know I was burned alive in one of my past lives.DeepFreezeWell....This will be short - on my phone and I hate typing on it. I also had a lot of depression issues and being suicidal. One thing is all that barbie said and for me at least it's not a point reached and then you quit. It takes daily commitment to it. Also, I think you can be just fine with the 12th but here's the thing. The path to living successfully with it will probably not be the conventional way that a majority of people take. You may need to approach things in a different way to have the things you want. It's something that you have to discover but I'd start with little goals and positive thinking. caramelWow thanks guys I feel heaps better already!To both deeps: I found what you said about everything returning to its source very interesting deepsea. I guess I need to contemplate and figure out what it is for which I am paying karmic debt, thereby being able to use deepfreeze's advice and taking a different approach in that area of my life.Thing is irl I'm a bit of a comedian. I love to make people laugh and feel it resonate through me. No one can ever guess I have such issues. People who have lived with me for years can testify they have never seen me stressed or angry. But give a man a mask.. Btw barbie you have more 12h planets than me! Thanks for your advice and showing me that there's light at the end of the tunnel!Barbiegirl19Not a problem. I definitely felt all that you said and having gone through bad times there is always light at the end of the tunnel aquaguy91I have sun conjunct saturn and saturn conjunct capricorn north node in the 12th house, thats some heavy sh*t right there. I have never been really suicidal ,I just suffer from severe depression. The kind of depression that drains motivation and makes one apathetic. A lot of times I just feel that life is completely meaningless and my only purpose in life is to suffer. caramel quote:Originally posted by aquaguy91: A lot of times I just feel that life is completely meaningless and my only purpose in life is to suffer. Hmm interesting, I have never felt apathy, just marvel at people who lose their minds over petty issues.But wow you described the rest perfectly. I am not suicidal per se as I understand that that would be the epitome of all wrong decisions. However my life purpose being of suffering and compromise is the most accurate way to put it. All my 12h planets square saturn in Cap so I hear ya!Glad my misery has company! hehe jks.aquaguy91 quote:Originally posted by caramel: Hmm interesting, I have never felt apathy, just marvel at people who lose their minds over petty issues.But wow you described the rest perfectly. I am not suicidal per se as I understand that that would be the epitome of all wrong decisions. However my life purpose being of suffering and compromise is the most accurate way to put it. All my 12h planets square saturn in Cap so I hear ya!Glad my misery has company! hehe jks.I think my apathy comes from the fact that capricorn rules my 12th house. The interpretations i have read call it "nihilistic". Saturn/capricorn plus the 12th house is a bad combination.. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.muddyt0esI have a 12h stellium (Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars) in Virgo...AND it's square Saturn and opposite Moon.I have huge huge huge issues with guilt and paranoia. I have so many internal thoughts and conversations, double/triple checking my ideas before letting them out into the public. It held me back a lot growing up, I was super shy in my teen years.. People thought I was a bit cold/bitchy. I was just nervous.I'm still nervous. But, I overcame it a bit when I moved a several hundred miles away. I felt like I could just shed that skin (the shy girl). It's still a factor and there are a lot of things I keep quiet or hidden from people... But I consciously have to remind myself to be open and to give people the benefit of the doubt instead of just letting my intuition tell me how they'll respond.aah08I have sun and mercury in Leo in 12th and the moon is almost in the 1st but i think it's more on the 12th.However, I without even noticing, started to be really sad all the time, eating disorders, depression, I wanted to be alone all the time, don't want to go out....you know, nothing external, but as the 12th interpretations I have read, I was becoming my own enemy. It was my mind and I think still is, because I can't say i'm the happiest person yet, the one that was actually putting me down. I don't feel i'm fully recovered, but i do feel a change in my thoughts, I'm trying to become more positive and happy, I'm more accepting of my body now, of what I like, what I don't like......but definitely it hasnt been easy. 12muddyI've read somewhere that one may find the answer in the opposite house - the 6th house. I have sun/merc/venus/neptune/uranus in the 12th and I'm a nurse - some consider it a "service" industry (6th house), so I guess it helps to relieve part of whatever "karma" I have. Can relate to the part about being manipulated or controlled by people with power/authority. I was in a similar situation and one way to deal with it is to go with the flow (with caution) and keep seeking the way out, better to bend than to break. And it's important not to lose hope. coteauI have Sun, Moon, Venus, Mercury and Saturn in the 12th house.I grew up in a very stable home with loving parents and my childhood was pretty good, but came teenage years I shut down although I never did anything that harmed me, or was suicidal,i was a void(i was almost affraid to move), depression and social anxiety mixed with a lot of shame but i never went to therapy so its not diagnosed.I relate to most of what people are saying here.It's a prison inside your own mind.I am very positive nonetheless, I guess that's what saved me.vickymadness12H traumas are real and hard, but they pass. It's all temporary. I remember when the only person I felt deeply connected with (my long-term bf)died, I was left spinning alone in an endless spirals. I shrug at the thought. After that I did drugs, all kinds that you can imagine. It was horrible. Even worse, my whole family went back to France. I lost my scholarship because my GPA wasn't high enough. So I was a drug addict, in debt, alone and marching in life without any goal. But ...Here I am. Writing this post. Very happy with my current life. I wouldn't change anything about it. vickymadnessThe solution is inside you. You change your thinking and everything changes. Sure easier said than nothing, but take it from someone who suffered something similar to your hardships. If anything fails, give it time. Because Its temporary.StarlightSmileSupreme quote:Originally posted by vickymadness:12H traumas are real and hard, but they pass. It's all temporary. I remember when the only person I felt deeply connected with (my long-term bf)died, I was left spinning alone in an endless spirals. I shrug at the thought. After that I did drugs, all kinds that you can imagine. It was horrible. Even worse, my whole family went back to France. I lost my scholarship because my GPA wasn't high enough. So I was a drug addict, in debt, alone and marching in life without any goal. But ...Here I am. Writing this post. Very happy with my current life. I wouldn't change anything about it. caramelThanks guys! Your words of motivation are super uplifting especially because its clear that we can all relate one way or another! Glad all of you have pulled through and have recognized ways to overcome the negativity. 12muddy: I really like your take on the solution being in the opp house of service. Interestingly I have been surrounded by people with the virgo energy at every step in my life and their want to help and support has always been there through any time of hardship, large or small. The more I think about what you said the more I realize that people with this energy in prominence have been akin to guardian angels for me. Perhaps its a lesson. Learn to give more than you take.fireopal09I admit I have not read this whole thread. I do not have12H planets, but I am 7H Pisces Moon and Neptune is all over my personal planets. I have wanted to stop living & have self destructive tendencies, but I won't STOP LIVING. I also have lost so many people close to me to suicide. My most recent was 4 days after my birthday in October 2013. The first one I lost as an adult was in 1994. Those wounds never heal. I still grieve. I can MANAGE this grief only because I have had too much experience. I have helped survivors navigate this road. Major experiences, like the birth of my kid, are tinged with longing & sadness,because the person who should have been there, chose to check out too soon. ------------------Claire"When going gets weird, the weird turn pro."-HSTMorpHnStorMI Have my Sun, Venus, NNode, and Chiron in the 12th...Wow at the similarities/shared experiences here...It's definitely a very difficult house, but it has its gifts/blessings. It is a very spiritual house and I think it has the potential to produce (or could be an indicator for) gifted healers...ComatoesTry to seek out your talents and creativity, that is your lifeline. All 12th house people need something that transcends and creates imagination and inspiration.I have a full 12th house, most of what has been said resonates with me. I think I could have killed myself in a past life or had a life that I didn't acknowledge other people's emotions/hurt or treated them badly or maybe I treated myself badly and denied my emotions and sensitivity (Virgo South Node). The indicators are there -- 8th House Pisces North Node, Balsamic Moon, Void of Course Moon, 11th house Moon 1 degree from 12th house, many Neptune aspects, Neptune trine Ascendant etc. My chart is trying to tell me something. So yes, I'm here to suffer (I won't lie it can get real difficult), but I'm also here to possibly rectify my suffering and grow into a more compassionate person. I try to be sensitive/compassionate to others since I was a little child, so this has been a long affair so far realizing my North Node and 12th house. Having Gemini moon makes it hard, because I tend to cover up my emotions and become stoic and cerebral, but I'm working on it.I just don't want to come back to Earth again, I hate it here! Even though I won't know if I do, just the thought makes me sad.gemstone http://www.astrologerjenny.com/twelfthhouse.html I notice that people with one or more planets in the 12th - but particularly those with a stellium - do seem to feel like they have some kind of karma to deal with in this life. And, it can be hard to find a way through it. But you can't let something that happened in a past life (especially since whatever it was is not something you can remember clearly or even at all) affect your current life. I don't think the sole purpose of this life is to suffer just because of some previous karma. I think a good piece of advice for 12H people is to focus a little bit more on yourself. Try not to let other people suck out your emotions or energy, or dictate your life actions and choices. Learn to say no - even if at first you just start by saying 'maybe'. Personally I have venus in my 12th and only recently did I realize that all my life I've been pretty much getting trampled on by other people, because I am too nice. Be more Aries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMzgl0nFj3s
Not to sound overly dramatic but this is the way I feel right now. Honestly, I have not done people much wrong in this life (on the contrary I am an extreme advocate for kindness) but I fail at everything I start despite trying for years, I keep arriving at dead-ends before nearing completion of any task. Or face extreme vulnerability consequential of manipulation at the hands of people who have authority over me... at which point I feel compelled to wish for the end of my life to come sooner. Plus I cant say no...and to think I am aries.
Any ways to overcome this manner of thinking? Any fellow 12housers out there care to share a remedy for my psyche?
quote:Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:I was suicidal some as a teenager. It could be some kind of death due to bad circumstances, maybe even an execution of some kind? What do you think?
Interesting take.. execution. Well I wouldn't doubt it with all this aries in me. She must have gotten into trouble. Lol
I became very optimitic and happy and my whole life changed. I was brighter and happier. I've always had many friends and it's like my friends liked me even more than before. I became just very happy with myself and didn't even care about my weight anymore. Although I had never even been heavy to begin with. So I think really just filling your brain with nothing but pure happy and positive thoughts really changes a person. It really makes you just a better person, therefore eliminating many issues and problems. Learn from your past and stop trying to correct. Life for now. Just my opinion.
I know I was a giant POS in past lives to have the life I have chosen and am currently trying to sort out what exactly I did, although I know part of it was being a horrible selfish parent as everything returns to the source and my childhood was pretty harsh and cold and always knew I could not have done anything in this life to deserve what I experienced and how I feel.
As to getting over the mentality I just try to grow and learn and understand myself and *try* (not always easy in the moment..) to accept any and all suffering that comes my way as my own and debt to be paid off, if you will.
The one past life memory I am absolutely sure of is that I know I was burned alive in one of my past lives.
I also had a lot of depression issues and being suicidal. One thing is all that barbie said and for me at least it's not a point reached and then you quit. It takes daily commitment to it.
Also, I think you can be just fine with the 12th but here's the thing. The path to living successfully with it will probably not be the conventional way that a majority of people take. You may need to approach things in a different way to have the things you want. It's something that you have to discover but I'd start with little goals and positive thinking.
To both deeps: I found what you said about everything returning to its source very interesting deepsea. I guess I need to contemplate and figure out what it is for which I am paying karmic debt, thereby being able to use deepfreeze's advice and taking a different approach in that area of my life.
Thing is irl I'm a bit of a comedian. I love to make people laugh and feel it resonate through me. No one can ever guess I have such issues. People who have lived with me for years can testify they have never seen me stressed or angry. But give a man a mask..
Btw barbie you have more 12h planets than me! Thanks for your advice and showing me that there's light at the end of the tunnel!
quote:Originally posted by aquaguy91: A lot of times I just feel that life is completely meaningless and my only purpose in life is to suffer.
Hmm interesting, I have never felt apathy, just marvel at people who lose their minds over petty issues.
But wow you described the rest perfectly. I am not suicidal per se as I understand that that would be the epitome of all wrong decisions. However my life purpose being of suffering and compromise is the most accurate way to put it. All my 12h planets square saturn in Cap so I hear ya!
Glad my misery has company! hehe jks.
quote:Originally posted by caramel: Hmm interesting, I have never felt apathy, just marvel at people who lose their minds over petty issues.But wow you described the rest perfectly. I am not suicidal per se as I understand that that would be the epitome of all wrong decisions. However my life purpose being of suffering and compromise is the most accurate way to put it. All my 12h planets square saturn in Cap so I hear ya!Glad my misery has company! hehe jks.
I have huge huge huge issues with guilt and paranoia. I have so many internal thoughts and conversations, double/triple checking my ideas before letting them out into the public. It held me back a lot growing up, I was super shy in my teen years.. People thought I was a bit cold/bitchy. I was just nervous.
I'm still nervous. But, I overcame it a bit when I moved a several hundred miles away. I felt like I could just shed that skin (the shy girl). It's still a factor and there are a lot of things I keep quiet or hidden from people... But I consciously have to remind myself to be open and to give people the benefit of the doubt instead of just letting my intuition tell me how they'll respond.
However, I without even noticing, started to be really sad all the time, eating disorders, depression, I wanted to be alone all the time, don't want to go out....you know, nothing external, but as the 12th interpretations I have read, I was becoming my own enemy. It was my mind and I think still is, because I can't say i'm the happiest person yet, the one that was actually putting me down. I don't feel i'm fully recovered, but i do feel a change in my thoughts, I'm trying to become more positive and happy, I'm more accepting of my body now, of what I like, what I don't like......but definitely it hasnt been easy.
Can relate to the part about being manipulated or controlled by people with power/authority. I was in a similar situation and one way to deal with it is to go with the flow (with caution) and keep seeking the way out, better to bend than to break. And it's important not to lose hope.
quote:Originally posted by vickymadness:12H traumas are real and hard, but they pass. It's all temporary. I remember when the only person I felt deeply connected with (my long-term bf)died, I was left spinning alone in an endless spirals. I shrug at the thought. After that I did drugs, all kinds that you can imagine. It was horrible. Even worse, my whole family went back to France. I lost my scholarship because my GPA wasn't high enough. So I was a drug addict, in debt, alone and marching in life without any goal. But ...Here I am. Writing this post. Very happy with my current life. I wouldn't change anything about it.
12muddy: I really like your take on the solution being in the opp house of service. Interestingly I have been surrounded by people with the virgo energy at every step in my life and their want to help and support has always been there through any time of hardship, large or small. The more I think about what you said the more I realize that people with this energy in prominence have been akin to guardian angels for me. Perhaps its a lesson. Learn to give more than you take.
------------------Claire"When going gets weird, the weird turn pro."-HST
It's definitely a very difficult house, but it has its gifts/blessings. It is a very spiritual house and I think it has the potential to produce (or could be an indicator for) gifted healers...
I have a full 12th house, most of what has been said resonates with me. I think I could have killed myself in a past life or had a life that I didn't acknowledge other people's emotions/hurt or treated them badly or maybe I treated myself badly and denied my emotions and sensitivity (Virgo South Node). The indicators are there -- 8th House Pisces North Node, Balsamic Moon, Void of Course Moon, 11th house Moon 1 degree from 12th house, many Neptune aspects, Neptune trine Ascendant etc. My chart is trying to tell me something.
So yes, I'm here to suffer (I won't lie it can get real difficult), but I'm also here to possibly rectify my suffering and grow into a more compassionate person. I try to be sensitive/compassionate to others since I was a little child, so this has been a long affair so far realizing my North Node and 12th house. Having Gemini moon makes it hard, because I tend to cover up my emotions and become stoic and cerebral, but I'm working on it.
I just don't want to come back to Earth again, I hate it here! Even though I won't know if I do, just the thought makes me sad.
I notice that people with one or more planets in the 12th - but particularly those with a stellium - do seem to feel like they have some kind of karma to deal with in this life. And, it can be hard to find a way through it. But you can't let something that happened in a past life (especially since whatever it was is not something you can remember clearly or even at all) affect your current life. I don't think the sole purpose of this life is to suffer just because of some previous karma.
I think a good piece of advice for 12H people is to focus a little bit more on yourself. Try not to let other people suck out your emotions or energy, or dictate your life actions and choices. Learn to say no - even if at first you just start by saying 'maybe'. Personally I have venus in my 12th and only recently did I realize that all my life I've been pretty much getting trampled on by other people, because I am too nice.
Be more Aries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMzgl0nFj3s
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