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T O P I C R E V I E Weyes_like_pisceshi guys,I just wanted to open this topic up for debate. Some astro follows seem to think ascendant only accounts for apperance and has nothing to do with personality. I however feel, that part of who I preseny to others IS a part of my personality. What do you guys think? how much does ones ascendant/rising really account for?arcturus90yes I was thinking the same thing not a long time ago, maybe like a few days ago, I don't know when ! surely telepathy, as it happens sometimes in general and on this forum... So, I think you're right. Ascendant couldn't just be the appearance. Because when someone has one of his / her planets in your first house, only your appearance feels concerned ? It doesn't have much sense. Ascendant means more than that. It's a whole part in our life... IridiaI've always thought that the Ascendant represents both the looks and personality (well, part of it). When it comes to the latter, I like to liken it to the skin. It's what mainly interacts with the environment at first (our initial observable reactions) so it would be hard for others not to get a glimpse of it, people who merely observe us included (first impression we tend to make). Of course, there's something under that skin, lots of things. Discovering them will take time and trust.------------------Astrology is descriptive, not causative.Aries23DegreesIts more than an appearance. Its a personality.Air Asc esp Gem/Aqua are a lot more verbose or like puns/ wordplay. They are usually quite curious and communicative and can baffle those who meet with a Cap/Scorp or Pisces-whom expect a more subdued persona.Water Asc esp Cancer/Pisces may add a layer of introversion and passivity to an Aries/Leo-whom people often assume will be domineering and "take charge".Kannon McAfeeThe sign over the Asc of an accurate birth chart is mostly personality and will show some physical characteristics in differentiation from your family genetics. The rising sign is not merely a 'mask' or superficial. It is the physical embodiment of your Sun-Moon energy.------------------Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guyExpert birth chart rectificationMelinnFor me I'm very Virgo like personality wise, physically a carry the virgo traits aswell and I have nothing else then an asc in virgo. Also My sun and virgos ruler mercury is in taurus so I guess I can incorporate my asc much easier with my identity (the sun), since both are earth elements. I don't know how it works, how I can be so virgo without any planets there, but I sure em! (minus for being organized, my room is messy!)I read somewhere that the older you get, the more according to your asc you will act and feel, and this too feels true to me.SleepyDiaryI find the moon sign to be the most dominant in peoples personalities. Ime the ASC has truly been a mask. Melinn quote:Originally posted by SleepyDiary:I find the moon sign to be the most dominant in peoples personalities. Ime the ASC has truly been a mask. Well asc is actually an energy that is colouring your whole chart, I remember reading that now when we are talking about this. The asc energy is all over your houses and planets. Its not only a mask.For me, my moon comes out if I feel very comfy, mostly around close family.RandallI have a Virgo ASC that is every bit a part of my personality as my Sun and my Moon.SpicaFrom my experience and observation:Aries ascendant - high cheekbones, tight skin.Taurus ascendant - large and low cheekbones that protrude, round eyes, and nose is pointed upwardGemini ascendant - thin features, thin eyes and lips, square or rectangular jawCancer ascendant - pointy chin from the side profileLeo ascendant - very smooth skin, usually flat cheekbones (which don't protude)Virgo ascendant - large forehead, small features (small eyes, nose and lips)Libra ascendant - symmetrical and well proportioned face, usually have dimples when they smileScorpio ascendant - low eyebrows, sharp eyesSagittarius ascendant - masculine bone structure/features, handsome (even girls)Capricorn ascendant - usually good bone structure, but small eyesAquarius ascendant - large jaw (either wide, long or both), the part between the eyes and just above the nose is deepPisces ascendant - dreamy large eyes like wings, large features, usually a good proportion of the face.Iridia quote:Originally posted by SleepyDiary:I find the moon sign to be the most dominant in peoples personalities. Ime the ASC has truly been a mask. This comparison is getting old. Just because the Ascendant is easiest to access and it's not all that there is, it doesn't mean it's a mask or it's not important. A mask is something you choose to put on and I don't think it works that way. Besides, you should be glad it "masks" your Moon. You wouldn't want everyone to know where to kick you so that it hurts the most, right? ------------------Astrology is descriptive, not causative.eyes_like_piscesThese are all good answers! anonymidarkness quote:Originally posted by Iridia: This comparison is getting old. Just because the Ascendant is easiest to access and it's not all that there is, it doesn't mean it's a mask or it's not important. A mask is something you choose to put on and I don't think it works that way. Besides, you should be glad it "masks" your Moon. You wouldn't want everyone to know where to kick you so that it hurts the most, right? Exactly, had it been just a mask, it would have been possible to take it off, deliberately. It is part of the whole.SleepyDiary quote:Originally posted by Iridia: This comparison is getting old. Just because the Ascendant is easiest to access and it's not all that there is, it doesn't mean it's a mask or it's not important. A mask is something you choose to put on and I don't think it works that way. Besides, you should be glad it "masks" your Moon. You wouldn't want everyone to know where to kick you so that it hurts the most, right? Doesn`t really change the fact that in my experience in getting to know people they really are their moon signs and had their ASC "on" only in the beginning. I knew a girl with Virgo asc and aries moon and she is so far away from being like a virgo than she is arian. Another girl i know with a Scorp rising with Libra moon she only acts like a scorpio on rare occasions and that is only when she has just met you and isn`t sure about you but the sec she is her libra moon shows. I actually laughed and so did she when we found out her rising sign was in Scorpio because she is so much like a Libra. And this woman even has her pluto in the first conjunct her asc. But, she has definitely gotten herself into plutonian situations but she as a person is very Libran.anonymidarkness^ Well, claiming that a person really is their moon sign is like claiming that a human really is their heart, what about the rest of the body parts ?SleepyDiary quote:Originally posted by anonymidarkness:^ Well, claiming that a person really is their moon sign is like claiming that a human really is their heart, what about the rest of the body parts ?I can`t change what i have seen time and time again though. I have even guessed people`s moon signs thinking it was their asc a few times too. Some people i have even seen their moons straight away. Maybe in other people`s experience the asc has been much more than a mask, but in my experience it has only been that. And the sun i never see unless another personal planet is in the same sign or the ruling planet of their own sun sign is in a major aspect to it. I have even noticed with myself that i "put" on my ascendant when i am around people i am not sure about but ultimately i am just a grumpy soft cancerian. Just look at the rapper Drake to, he has a Scorpio stellium but his Cancerian moon shows so much still and he has been mocked for being so soft, emotional and sensitive for many years now. Even his looks esp his eyes are very much like a Cancerian. eyes_like_piscesyes,I feel like I can see all three.I have a friend that has gemini rising, pisces sun and leo moon. I swear this girl spends 70% of her day on the phone and will talk to anyone. I see her rising shine through about as much as her moon. She's always dancing, loves her kids, likes too party and loves the attention of men. her sun kinda sits quietly in the background but its there. Her sun is in the 10th - She's a nurse.another gemini rising I know is aqua sun pisces moon. he's the type of guy to tell corny jokes and put strangers at ease. no problem getting acquainted with serves, cashiers and the like. yet he's still quite aqua with a heart. he loves his alone time and space. he's passionately about ghosts and aliens and cries at concerts.my gemini stellium friend has her stellium in 1st and 2nd but she's a taurus ascendant. She takes awhile to warm up to people. She has periods of time where she just perfers to listen. usually starts off complimenting someone and greats with a hug before getting to some gemini topics.my boyfriend is virgo rising libra sun taurus moon. he's very antisocial, critical, particular. too be fair he has venus and mars there too so I mostly just see his virgo side. the libra mostly comes out in the way he communicates. but he's far from whishy washy and people pleasing. the moon in 8th comes out mostly in his knack for gambling/shopping/buisness. he also loves cooking and craft beer and wine like a true taurus moon.Aries23Degrees@SleepyDiaryI understand what you are saying. And I agree.Drake does show his Cancer Moon a lot. And coming from another Cancer Moon, it can be downright embarrassing at times because when he comes on I'm like "oh gosh. He will talk about how he feels again"But many Cancer men are also incredibly defensive about being seen as "soft" i.e Sylvester Stallone, 50Cent , Mike Tyson etc. And with his Scorpio Sun in the mix, one would think he would conceal the sensitive aura of having a Cancer Moon? Not so.The Asc is usually also in the mix. I can't pinpoint how or where it ends and the others take over. But its there. And if the Asc in Leo listed is to be believed, I would say that that would fit his warmth and sometimes arrogant persona.I have checked out his quotes and a lot of them are about loyalty. That could be the water energy, but the clever way in which they are delivered suggests to me that he is also a thinker. So maybe air?His Mars(how we assert ourselves) is in Aquarius. So that could explain that. But i immediately thought air Asc.Melinn quote:Originally posted by SleepyDiary: Doesn`t really change the fact that in my experience in getting to know people they really are their moon signs and had their ASC "on" only in the beginning. I knew a girl with Virgo asc and aries moon and she is so far away from being like a virgo than she is arian. Another girl i know with a Scorp rising with Libra moon she only acts like a scorpio on rare occasions and that is only when she has just met you and isn`t sure about you but the sec she is her libra moon shows. I actually laughed and so did she when we found out her rising sign was in Scorpio because she is so much like a Libra. And this woman even has her pluto in the first conjunct her asc. But, she has definitely gotten herself into plutonian situations but she as a person is very Libran.Well thats like that for me too. Everytime I think I got the asc, its the moon. Moon energy is easier to detect and feel. Also moon often forms the eye shape. I have guessed many new friends and family friends moon just by their eye shape.Asc I get right if I observe a new person walk into a room with for that person complete strangers. The way they act and move etc makes me easier too see the ascMelinn quote:Originally posted by Spica:From my experience and observation:Virgo ascendant - large forehead, small features (small eyes, nose and lips)Large forehead? Hmm never seen on virgo asc, but more on virgo suns. Thankfully mine is small, my face is more capricorn like, even my nose is like a capri . My physique is virgo like, and youthful apparence as well. I have my asc on saturns decan. And also the planets aspecting the asc gives a lot aswell. SleepyDiary quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:@SleepyDiaryI understand what you are saying. And I agree.Drake does show his Cancer Moon a lot. And coming from another Cancer Moon, it can be downright embarrassing at times because when he comes on I'm like "oh gosh. He will talk about how he feels again"But many Cancer men are also incredibly defensive about being seen as "soft" i.e Sylvester Stallone, 50Cent , Mike Tyson etc. And with his Scorpio Sun in the mix, one would think he would conceal the sensitive aura of having a Cancer Moon? Not so.The Asc is usually also in the mix. I can't pinpoint how or where it ends and the others take over. But its there. And if the Asc in Leo listed is to be believed, I would say that that would fit his warmth and sometimes arrogant persona.I have checked out his quotes and a lot of them are about loyalty. That could be the water energy, but the clever way in which they are delivered suggests to me that he is also a thinker. So maybe air?His Mars(how we assert ourselves) is in Aquarius. So that could explain that. But i immediately thought air Asc.Hahaha yeah he can get into it quite often 😂 🙈 He has a stellium of planets in air houses though. Both sun and venus are in his 3rd house and his moon is in the 11th house. Yeah i can also see his airy ways, he has a hard time committing and have had tons of short term flings and is also very flirty. I don`t think that other influences in the chart aren`t there, i just find the moon and whatever is affecting the moon to be the most dominant in people`s personalities.
I just wanted to open this topic up for debate. Some astro follows seem to think ascendant only accounts for apperance and has nothing to do with personality. I however feel, that part of who I preseny to others IS a part of my personality. What do you guys think? how much does ones ascendant/rising really account for?
------------------Astrology is descriptive, not causative.
Air Asc esp Gem/Aqua are a lot more verbose or like puns/ wordplay. They are usually quite curious and communicative and can baffle those who meet with a Cap/Scorp or Pisces-whom expect a more subdued persona.
Water Asc esp Cancer/Pisces may add a layer of introversion and passivity to an Aries/Leo-whom people often assume will be domineering and "take charge".
------------------Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guyExpert birth chart rectification
I don't know how it works, how I can be so virgo without any planets there, but I sure em! (minus for being organized, my room is messy!)
I read somewhere that the older you get, the more according to your asc you will act and feel, and this too feels true to me.
quote:Originally posted by SleepyDiary:I find the moon sign to be the most dominant in peoples personalities. Ime the ASC has truly been a mask.
Well asc is actually an energy that is colouring your whole chart, I remember reading that now when we are talking about this. The asc energy is all over your houses and planets. Its not only a mask.
For me, my moon comes out if I feel very comfy, mostly around close family.
Aries ascendant - high cheekbones, tight skin.
Taurus ascendant - large and low cheekbones that protrude, round eyes, and nose is pointed upward
Gemini ascendant - thin features, thin eyes and lips, square or rectangular jaw
Cancer ascendant - pointy chin from the side profile
Leo ascendant - very smooth skin, usually flat cheekbones (which don't protude)
Virgo ascendant - large forehead, small features (small eyes, nose and lips)
Libra ascendant - symmetrical and well proportioned face, usually have dimples when they smile
Scorpio ascendant - low eyebrows, sharp eyes
Sagittarius ascendant - masculine bone structure/features, handsome (even girls)
Capricorn ascendant - usually good bone structure, but small eyes
Aquarius ascendant - large jaw (either wide, long or both), the part between the eyes and just above the nose is deep
Pisces ascendant - dreamy large eyes like wings, large features, usually a good proportion of the face.
This comparison is getting old. Just because the Ascendant is easiest to access and it's not all that there is, it doesn't mean it's a mask or it's not important. A mask is something you choose to put on and I don't think it works that way. Besides, you should be glad it "masks" your Moon. You wouldn't want everyone to know where to kick you so that it hurts the most, right?
quote:Originally posted by Iridia: This comparison is getting old. Just because the Ascendant is easiest to access and it's not all that there is, it doesn't mean it's a mask or it's not important. A mask is something you choose to put on and I don't think it works that way. Besides, you should be glad it "masks" your Moon. You wouldn't want everyone to know where to kick you so that it hurts the most, right?
Exactly, had it been just a mask, it would have been possible to take it off, deliberately. It is part of the whole.
Doesn`t really change the fact that in my experience in getting to know people they really are their moon signs and had their ASC "on" only in the beginning. I knew a girl with Virgo asc and aries moon and she is so far away from being like a virgo than she is arian. Another girl i know with a Scorp rising with Libra moon she only acts like a scorpio on rare occasions and that is only when she has just met you and isn`t sure about you but the sec she is her libra moon shows. I actually laughed and so did she when we found out her rising sign was in Scorpio because she is so much like a Libra. And this woman even has her pluto in the first conjunct her asc. But, she has definitely gotten herself into plutonian situations but she as a person is very Libran.
quote:Originally posted by anonymidarkness:^ Well, claiming that a person really is their moon sign is like claiming that a human really is their heart, what about the rest of the body parts ?
I can`t change what i have seen time and time again though. I have even guessed people`s moon signs thinking it was their asc a few times too. Some people i have even seen their moons straight away. Maybe in other people`s experience the asc has been much more than a mask, but in my experience it has only been that. And the sun i never see unless another personal planet is in the same sign or the ruling planet of their own sun sign is in a major aspect to it. I have even noticed with myself that i "put" on my ascendant when i am around people i am not sure about but ultimately i am just a grumpy soft cancerian. Just look at the rapper Drake to, he has a Scorpio stellium but his Cancerian moon shows so much still and he has been mocked for being so soft, emotional and sensitive for many years now. Even his looks esp his eyes are very much like a Cancerian.
I feel like I can see all three.
I have a friend that has gemini rising, pisces sun and leo moon. I swear this girl spends 70% of her day on the phone and will talk to anyone. I see her rising shine through about as much as her moon. She's always dancing, loves her kids, likes too party and loves the attention of men. her sun kinda sits quietly in the background but its there. Her sun is in the 10th - She's a nurse.
another gemini rising I know is aqua sun pisces moon. he's the type of guy to tell corny jokes and put strangers at ease. no problem getting acquainted with serves, cashiers and the like. yet he's still quite aqua with a heart. he loves his alone time and space. he's passionately about ghosts and aliens and cries at concerts.
my gemini stellium friend has her stellium in 1st and 2nd but she's a taurus ascendant. She takes awhile to warm up to people. She has periods of time where she just perfers to listen. usually starts off complimenting someone and greats with a hug before getting to some gemini topics.
my boyfriend is virgo rising libra sun taurus moon. he's very antisocial, critical, particular. too be fair he has venus and mars there too so I mostly just see his virgo side. the libra mostly comes out in the way he communicates. but he's far from whishy washy and people pleasing. the moon in 8th comes out mostly in his knack for gambling/shopping/buisness. he also loves cooking and craft beer and wine like a true taurus moon.
I understand what you are saying. And I agree.
Drake does show his Cancer Moon a lot. And coming from another Cancer Moon, it can be downright embarrassing at times because when he comes on I'm like "oh gosh. He will talk about how he feels again"
But many Cancer men are also incredibly defensive about being seen as "soft" i.e Sylvester Stallone, 50Cent , Mike Tyson etc. And with his Scorpio Sun in the mix, one would think he would conceal the sensitive aura of having a Cancer Moon? Not so.
The Asc is usually also in the mix. I can't pinpoint how or where it ends and the others take over. But its there. And if the Asc in Leo listed is to be believed, I would say that that would fit his warmth and sometimes arrogant persona.
I have checked out his quotes and a lot of them are about loyalty. That could be the water energy, but the clever way in which they are delivered suggests to me that he is also a thinker. So maybe air?
His Mars(how we assert ourselves) is in Aquarius. So that could explain that. But i immediately thought air Asc.
quote:Originally posted by SleepyDiary: Doesn`t really change the fact that in my experience in getting to know people they really are their moon signs and had their ASC "on" only in the beginning. I knew a girl with Virgo asc and aries moon and she is so far away from being like a virgo than she is arian. Another girl i know with a Scorp rising with Libra moon she only acts like a scorpio on rare occasions and that is only when she has just met you and isn`t sure about you but the sec she is her libra moon shows. I actually laughed and so did she when we found out her rising sign was in Scorpio because she is so much like a Libra. And this woman even has her pluto in the first conjunct her asc. But, she has definitely gotten herself into plutonian situations but she as a person is very Libran.
Well thats like that for me too. Everytime I think I got the asc, its the moon. Moon energy is easier to detect and feel. Also moon often forms the eye shape. I have guessed many new friends and family friends moon just by their eye shape.
Asc I get right if I observe a new person walk into a room with for that person complete strangers. The way they act and move etc makes me easier too see the asc
quote:Originally posted by Spica:From my experience and observation:Virgo ascendant - large forehead, small features (small eyes, nose and lips)
Large forehead? Hmm never seen on virgo asc, but more on virgo suns. Thankfully mine is small, my face is more capricorn like, even my nose is like a capri . My physique is virgo like, and youthful apparence as well. I have my asc on saturns decan. And also the planets aspecting the asc gives a lot aswell.
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:@SleepyDiaryI understand what you are saying. And I agree.Drake does show his Cancer Moon a lot. And coming from another Cancer Moon, it can be downright embarrassing at times because when he comes on I'm like "oh gosh. He will talk about how he feels again"But many Cancer men are also incredibly defensive about being seen as "soft" i.e Sylvester Stallone, 50Cent , Mike Tyson etc. And with his Scorpio Sun in the mix, one would think he would conceal the sensitive aura of having a Cancer Moon? Not so.The Asc is usually also in the mix. I can't pinpoint how or where it ends and the others take over. But its there. And if the Asc in Leo listed is to be believed, I would say that that would fit his warmth and sometimes arrogant persona.I have checked out his quotes and a lot of them are about loyalty. That could be the water energy, but the clever way in which they are delivered suggests to me that he is also a thinker. So maybe air?His Mars(how we assert ourselves) is in Aquarius. So that could explain that. But i immediately thought air Asc.
Hahaha yeah he can get into it quite often 😂 🙈 He has a stellium of planets in air houses though. Both sun and venus are in his 3rd house and his moon is in the 11th house. Yeah i can also see his airy ways, he has a hard time committing and have had tons of short term flings and is also very flirty. I don`t think that other influences in the chart aren`t there, i just find the moon and whatever is affecting the moon to be the most dominant in people`s personalities.
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