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T O P I C R E V I E WFrancoHello everyoneI know that the 12th house is about the confinements, subconscious, hidden enemies etc .. but at the end of the day it has something positive? I have Saturn, Neptune and Uranus. I am aware that I live locked up, many times I get depressed without reason, and I am an emotional roller coaster, on the same day I can have different moods (extremes) ..An example, I would like to travel, I have the economic possibility but when I start the idea, I feel lazy, I have no initiative, and it is strange because my strong Saturn should make me an enterprising person ..Anyway, I'm 27 years old and I've always lived with the negative side of Saturn, at some point House 12 will have something positive?pd: I want to clarify that I do not expect things to happen out of nothing, 10 years ago I am obsessed with mind control and learn to use my mind, I also try to be in positivism themes and I get away from all the negative but feel in In vain, it is very difficult to get away from pessimism no matter how much study I do, it is like going against the current.thanks https://k50.kn3.net/D/2/A/0/E/2/D90.gif Aries23DegreesI see the 12th house as the point where individual consciousness "merges" with the collective.The point where one feels the connectivity to others. The point of empathy or sympathy for all people in the collective human family. Even the cosmos itself.11th house is also like this. But the 11th seems to view the human condition from a "let's evolve" point of view and not from the "what of those left behind?" stance.Uranus in 12th suggests that you belong to a niche group of empaths. You may have a very unique view of the human condition that does not have a wide audience.You could for instance have a different perspective on correctional services or how those people who commit offences could be handled.Saturn in 12th suggests that you may feel that the world's problems affect you directly and there is a certain kind of responsibility to somehow contribute to solving them.This may mean choosing a job or career that helps you feel relief from that. When young, it is difficult to figure what that is. But when older, one realizes the value that one adds through the job they have in contributing to society. And will thus take skills honing and skills transference very seriously.Neptune in 12th suggests an indomitable faith in humanity and the patience to deal with people from an open minded point of view.You may see the good in the collective or be moved by kindness shown by strangers or acts of unification from people of different race groups/social background. You may believe that beyond what divides the collective, there is more that unitesFrancoThanks Aries23Degrees.Interesting what you comment.I also think that I am feeling a lot of saturn weight at this moment as it is transiting my house 12, close to the first return, including my pluton conj saturn and asc.Someone with a similar house 12, can you tell your experience? thanks!coteauBut saturn is conjunct the ascendant. Not really in the 12th house. Being somber and pessimistic is your first instinct towards everything because of this not because you have 12th house planets. You are not even talking like you feel a 12th house saturn because if u did u wouldn't be talking about how saturn is bogging you down personally. The 12th house isn't personal, it's not about you, but the ascendant is afcorse.Uranus and Neptune mean very little in a personal chart tbh, u need to look more carefully into your personal planets and points to figure it out.Like you have a pisces moon in the 3rd house, and pisces and capricorn really clash because you have that saturn outlook on life which is all about reality, obstacules and time consciousness and pisces is about fantasy, timelessness, dissolving into nothing, pisces moon doesn't want anything other than escape and infinite love. The third rules small travel, but since pisces is naturally lazy maybe that's why it clashes, because i don't really see anything else in your chart that says anything about u wanting to travel??Also the mind control thing, you have mercury ( which is the mind) conjunct pluto and in scorpio also, pluto is quite literally the planet of control, so no wonder u were obsessed with mind control ( obsessions are also a pluto thing)??But i might be wrong idk.Kannon McAfeeFranco, this really hit on it: quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I see the 12th house as the point where individual consciousness "merges" with the collective.The 12th house and its contents are more open and vaporous than any other house. To know its benefits it is best to consider it a spiritual growth process towards oneness, unity, your best self that others may have insight into. They see glimpses of it, but it is hidden from us. Keep exploring the transcendent powers of the mind, just open exploration without agenda. That is the key is to not put an agenda on the 12th house growth process. Saturn's role has been to aid in learning restraint and maturity earlier in life, to contain your energy and drives more so as to open up the gradual and subtle development of the other two in the 12th: Uranus and Neptune, psi, intuition, ESP, etc. Follow your interests in any of those wherever they take you. And in your mundane life look for how you can add that bit of extra something in service to others. That stands out in the business world. With possibly at least two of those planets parallel your Asc (around 21.5°), it will take patience to let them develop in a positive way. ------------------Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equatorRandallThanks, Aries and Kannon.vivietteI like your 5th house Mars (=drive) Maybe you need to first see the adventure you are planning as Fun (5th house) and involving learning (Gemini) to "justify" a voyage to your Saturn Ascendant.Your 12th house cusp is in Sag, so I think that could help you do something about your situation.What may be happening, is you are doing some kind of groundwork (you mention staying indoors) It seems you have somehow been preparing yourself for life, even if it's just mentally.However, I think there is a difference between organising your thoughts (which Saturn Ascendant in Capricorn would enjoy) and trying to control them. It sounds to me like you first need to find a meaningful direction for yourself (sense of purpose) and that is why you are not going abroad yet. When you feel ready, you will do the trip. Try to give your plan a basic structure, but allow for a fun theme (and do not be held back by the past) Your Uranus might enjoy making a decision based on a quick google search. Or go to a travel agency. Maybe you want things easy.Consider a sociable/cultural voyage like an ART retreat, where you easily join into a group and accommodation is provided. It is possible to live on the other side of the chart, you know. What's Jupiter doing? 7th house.. you should be around people more Remember that you can create good relationships. EQUAL partnerships do exist.Are you maybe holding back your "expansiveness" (Jupiter) and internalising it in the 12th house, letting it get kicked around by the outer planets?Look for your happiness on the other side of the chart.P.S Do you eat enough vegetables and fruit and drink enough water? You could also try a health retreat. quote:Originally posted by Franco:Hello everyoneI know that the 12th house is about the confinements, subconscious, hidden enemies etc .. but at the end of the day it has something positive? I have Saturn, Neptune and Uranus. I am aware that I live locked up, many times I get depressed without reason, and I am an emotional roller coaster, on the same day I can have different moods (extremes) ..An example, I would like to travel, I have the economic possibility but when I start the idea, I feel lazy, I have no initiative, and it is strange because my strong Saturn should make me an enterprising person ..Anyway, I'm 27 years old and I've always lived with the negative side of Saturn, at some point House 12 will have something positive?pd: I want to clarify that I do not expect things to happen out of nothing, 10 years ago I am obsessed with mind control and learn to use my mind, I also try to be in positivism themes and I get away from all the negative but feel in In vain, it is very difficult to get away from pessimism no matter how much study I do, it is like going against the current.thanks https://k50.kn3.net/D/2/A/0/E/2/D90.gif FrancoThank you all for your answers and advice, I appreciate it.Viviette, I never went to eat well and healthy, I was always with junk food and a little sedentary, that must be my jupiter square sun / venus .. anyway the contact of jupiter with venus gives me a good life, sometimes of many excesses ..
I know that the 12th house is about the confinements, subconscious, hidden enemies etc .. but at the end of the day it has something positive? I have Saturn, Neptune and Uranus. I am aware that I live locked up, many times I get depressed without reason, and I am an emotional roller coaster, on the same day I can have different moods (extremes) ..
An example, I would like to travel, I have the economic possibility but when I start the idea, I feel lazy, I have no initiative, and it is strange because my strong Saturn should make me an enterprising person ..
Anyway, I'm 27 years old and I've always lived with the negative side of Saturn, at some point House 12 will have something positive?
pd: I want to clarify that I do not expect things to happen out of nothing, 10 years ago I am obsessed with mind control and learn to use my mind, I also try to be in positivism themes and I get away from all the negative but feel in In vain, it is very difficult to get away from pessimism no matter how much study I do, it is like going against the current.
thanks
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The point where one feels the connectivity to others. The point of empathy or sympathy for all people in the collective human family. Even the cosmos itself.
11th house is also like this. But the 11th seems to view the human condition from a "let's evolve" point of view and not from the "what of those left behind?" stance.
Uranus in 12th suggests that you belong to a niche group of empaths. You may have a very unique view of the human condition that does not have a wide audience.
You could for instance have a different perspective on correctional services or how those people who commit offences could be handled.
Saturn in 12th suggests that you may feel that the world's problems affect you directly and there is a certain kind of responsibility to somehow contribute to solving them.
This may mean choosing a job or career that helps you feel relief from that. When young, it is difficult to figure what that is. But when older, one realizes the value that one adds through the job they have in contributing to society. And will thus take skills honing and skills transference very seriously.
Neptune in 12th suggests an indomitable faith in humanity and the patience to deal with people from an open minded point of view.
You may see the good in the collective or be moved by kindness shown by strangers or acts of unification from people of different race groups/social background. You may believe that beyond what divides the collective, there is more that unites
Interesting what you comment.
I also think that I am feeling a lot of saturn weight at this moment as it is transiting my house 12, close to the first return, including my pluton conj saturn and asc.
Someone with a similar house 12, can you tell your experience? thanks!
Uranus and Neptune mean very little in a personal chart tbh, u need to look more carefully into your personal planets and points to figure it out.
Like you have a pisces moon in the 3rd house, and pisces and capricorn really clash because you have that saturn outlook on life which is all about reality, obstacules and time consciousness and pisces is about fantasy, timelessness, dissolving into nothing, pisces moon doesn't want anything other than escape and infinite love. The third rules small travel, but since pisces is naturally lazy maybe that's why it clashes, because i don't really see anything else in your chart that says anything about u wanting to travel??
Also the mind control thing, you have mercury ( which is the mind) conjunct pluto and in scorpio also, pluto is quite literally the planet of control, so no wonder u were obsessed with mind control ( obsessions are also a pluto thing)??
But i might be wrong idk.
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I see the 12th house as the point where individual consciousness "merges" with the collective.
The 12th house and its contents are more open and vaporous than any other house. To know its benefits it is best to consider it a spiritual growth process towards oneness, unity, your best self that others may have insight into. They see glimpses of it, but it is hidden from us.
Keep exploring the transcendent powers of the mind, just open exploration without agenda. That is the key is to not put an agenda on the 12th house growth process. Saturn's role has been to aid in learning restraint and maturity earlier in life, to contain your energy and drives more so as to open up the gradual and subtle development of the other two in the 12th: Uranus and Neptune, psi, intuition, ESP, etc. Follow your interests in any of those wherever they take you. And in your mundane life look for how you can add that bit of extra something in service to others. That stands out in the business world.
With possibly at least two of those planets parallel your Asc (around 21.5°), it will take patience to let them develop in a positive way.
------------------Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator
I like your 5th house Mars (=drive) Maybe you need to first see the adventure you are planning as Fun (5th house) and involving learning (Gemini) to "justify" a voyage to your Saturn Ascendant.
Your 12th house cusp is in Sag, so I think that could help you do something about your situation.
What may be happening, is you are doing some kind of groundwork (you mention staying indoors) It seems you have somehow been preparing yourself for life, even if it's just mentally.
However, I think there is a difference between organising your thoughts (which Saturn Ascendant in Capricorn would enjoy) and trying to control them.
It sounds to me like you first need to find a meaningful direction for yourself (sense of purpose) and that is why you are not going abroad yet.
When you feel ready, you will do the trip. Try to give your plan a basic structure, but allow for a fun theme (and do not be held back by the past) Your Uranus might enjoy making a decision based on a quick google search. Or go to a travel agency. Maybe you want things easy.
Consider a sociable/cultural voyage like an ART retreat, where you easily join into a group and accommodation is provided.
It is possible to live on the other side of the chart, you know. What's Jupiter doing? 7th house.. you should be around people more Remember that you can create good relationships. EQUAL partnerships do exist.Are you maybe holding back your "expansiveness" (Jupiter) and internalising it in the 12th house, letting it get kicked around by the outer planets?Look for your happiness on the other side of the chart.
P.S Do you eat enough vegetables and fruit and drink enough water? You could also try a health retreat.
quote:Originally posted by Franco:Hello everyoneI know that the 12th house is about the confinements, subconscious, hidden enemies etc .. but at the end of the day it has something positive? I have Saturn, Neptune and Uranus. I am aware that I live locked up, many times I get depressed without reason, and I am an emotional roller coaster, on the same day I can have different moods (extremes) ..An example, I would like to travel, I have the economic possibility but when I start the idea, I feel lazy, I have no initiative, and it is strange because my strong Saturn should make me an enterprising person ..Anyway, I'm 27 years old and I've always lived with the negative side of Saturn, at some point House 12 will have something positive?pd: I want to clarify that I do not expect things to happen out of nothing, 10 years ago I am obsessed with mind control and learn to use my mind, I also try to be in positivism themes and I get away from all the negative but feel in In vain, it is very difficult to get away from pessimism no matter how much study I do, it is like going against the current.thanks https://k50.kn3.net/D/2/A/0/E/2/D90.gif
Viviette, I never went to eat well and healthy, I was always with junk food and a little sedentary, that must be my jupiter square sun / venus .. anyway the contact of jupiter with venus gives me a good life, sometimes of many excesses ..
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