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T O P I C R E V I E WmercuryflowWhat might signify kleptomania in a chart?Not like car stealing, bank robbing thievery...but the just can't help themselves from pocketing something everytime they're in a store thievery.alludeugemini, sly and mischevious, rules the hands, they make good pick-pocketers as well as con artists mercuryflowfor sure. but looking for more specific placements. surely not all geminis are pick-pockety thieves, and surely not all kleptos are geminis. the person i have in mind is a sag. but i'm curious about kleptomania as whole. not just in regards to this person.kani quote:Originally posted by alludeu:gemini, sly and mischevious, rules the hands, they make good pick-pocketers as well as con artists Kleptomania has nothing to do with being mischevious though. Those people really suffer from itmirage29Aren't there some Celebrities who have that problem?Why don't you do some searching on the internet, find articles (or youtubes) about the kleptomania, then check to see if there's a chart published on those celebs that are mentioned?mirage29 anonymidarkness I got pickpocketed for the first time ffs, I was kinda high at the time and ***** took full advantage ffsMoonMystic http://www.astropoetics.com/2010/11/astrological-shadow2.html This ^ site gives some insight to shadow sides of our personas. I skimmed it but I think a rx Mercury (things go missing, etc during these periods in tr), Jupiter (impulsive )or Neptune (surreal) are possibilities. Maybe even Uranus (erroneous), in a case of eratic behavior. Like the klepto that didn't realise they were doing it. In that link the retrog is cited as an unconscious energy. Before searching it, I didn't guess any actual aspects, only signs. An inflicted Libra (scales of justice) I think could behave backwards and possibly unknowingly with thieve tendencies, also it is the 7th house and air. In tarot the 7 of swords is the thief. I think looking at houses 7, 12 and possibly 2. Some tv shows I used to see with the klepto, they wouldn't necessarily throw away or return the items. They would keep the items in a special compartment. The disorder seems to reflect the afflicted person as being unconscious of doing what they really DO wish to do. Like an impulsive nature they on the surface are fighting. Just my take on the potentials of how it might show in the natal.BeareePeople who can’t help but to steal, without really knowing why, have an ill functioning cerebral cortex. So when that part of the brain doesn’t function well, you would see this kind of behavior. You can see that in very old people (decreasing function of the cerebral cortex) as well as adolescents (cerebral cortex still developing).So what do these two groups of people have in common, astrologically wise? It’s behavior that’s not in line with their true self, they’re victims of temporary influences . So I think you would have to look at the ascendant having troubles.It’s basically the brains having power over the body (and subconscious).Astrologically wise I would thinkkkk the culprit are transits. Maybe... hard aspects of Saturn to the ascendant? Because Saturn is about control and discipline and the ascendant is how you kinda behave right? Like your outer layer. So the harsh aspect of Saturn on your ascendant would result in behavior that’s not in line with your true self. Just your body reacting to something else going on, without you knowing it.Orrrr Jupiter? Out of control behaviour? Jupiter harsh aspects to the ascendant.It’s just some guess work for me mercuryflow quote:Originally posted by mirage29:Aren't there some Celebrities who have that problem?Why don't you do some searching on the internet, find articles (or youtubes) about the kleptomania, then check to see if there's a chart published on those celebs that are mentioned?Good idea, but too much work for me right now, lol. mercuryflow quote:Originally posted by anonymidarkness: I got pickpocketed for the first time ffs, I was kinda high at the time and ***** took full advantage ffsthat sucks!! where did it happen, like city/town/country wise? just curious.mercuryflow quote:Originally posted by MoonMystic: http://www.astropoetics.com/2010/11/astrological-shadow2.html This ^ site gives some insight to shadow sides of our personas. I skimmed it but I think a rx Mercury (things go missing, etc during these periods in tr), Jupiter (impulsive )or Neptune (surreal) are possibilities. Maybe even Uranus (erroneous), in a case of eratic behavior. Like the klepto that didn't realise they were doing it. In that link the retrog is cited as an [b]unconscious energy. Before searching it, I didn't guess any actual aspects, only signs. An inflicted Libra (scales of justice) I think could behave backwards and possibly unknowingly with thieve tendencies, also it is the 7th house and air. In tarot the 7 of swords is the thief. I think looking at houses 7, 12 and possibly 2. Some tv shows I used to see with the klepto, they wouldn't necessarily throw away or return the items. They would keep the items in a special compartment. The disorder seems to reflect the afflicted person as being unconscious of doing what they really DO wish to do. Like an impulsive nature they on the surface are fighting. Just my take on the potentials of how it might show in the natal.[/B]Thanks for that link! good info.And yes, I agree about the inflicted libra energy, i could see that very much. and definitely has to be a serious form of disconnect somewhere.mercuryflow quote:Originally posted by Bearee:People who can’t help but to steal, without really knowing why, have an ill functioning cerebral cortex. So when that part of the brain doesn’t function well, you would see this kind of behavior. You can see that in very old people (decreasing function of the cerebral cortex) as well as adolescents (cerebral cortex still developing).So what do these two groups of people have in common, astrologically wise? It’s behavior that’s not in line with their true self, they’re victims of temporary influences . So I think you would have to look at the ascendant having troubles.It’s basically the brains having power over the body (and subconscious).Astrologically wise I would thinkkkk the culprit are transits. Maybe... hard aspects of Saturn to the ascendant? Because Saturn is about control and discipline and the ascendant is how you kinda behave right? Like your outer layer. So the harsh aspect of Saturn on your ascendant would result in behavior that’s not in line with your true self. Just your body reacting to something else going on, without you knowing it.Orrrr Jupiter? Out of control behaviour? Jupiter harsh aspects to the ascendant.It’s just some guess work for me hmmm, interesting....i always imagined hard saturn aspects going the other way....like too much control. but i guess it could be too much boundary, to the point of compartimentizing so much to create a disconnect in ones behaivor. mercuryflowi wish i knew this person's birthday/time. only know she;s a sag. she has even been stealing from friends and her workplace. was confronted recently, broke down and cried, saying she has a problem, can't help herself. Mariamne MaraThey use hands in a very secretive ways...I know a person who is a master, but never did that on a store as an adult but she did when being a child. She robbed from stores some candies and hair ornaments, gumd for ponytails and all that. When an adult, she robbed from her moms or sibligs cigarrettes or some money. She once stole 10 euros whe she found it at job inside a bag she had to use to start to work with the cash machine and was surrounded by cameras but didn't be catched.The other coworker forgot that money and this woman kept for themself. She's Sagittarius with Gemini in the cusp of her 4th, Libra in 8th with Pluto conjunct Saturn (as is the house of other people's resources). Second house Aries with Mars in 12th. She was born a day before me, so many similar placements. I had temptations, but always afraid of being catched or get so karma back. I have never being a klepto in my life. mercuryflow quote:Originally posted by Mariamne Mara:They use hands in a very secretive ways... Second house Aries with Mars in 12th. She was born a day before me, so many similar placements. I had temptations, but always afraid of being catched or get so karma back. I have never being a klepto in my life. Mars in the 12th makes a lot of sense to me. Hidden actions.And yes, there has to be an element of boldness and a lack of fear of getting caught.
the person i have in mind is a sag. but i'm curious about kleptomania as whole. not just in regards to this person.
quote:Originally posted by alludeu:gemini, sly and mischevious, rules the hands, they make good pick-pocketers as well as con artists
Kleptomania has nothing to do with being mischevious though. Those people really suffer from it
Why don't you do some searching on the internet, find articles (or youtubes) about the kleptomania, then check to see if there's a chart published on those celebs that are mentioned?
This ^ site gives some insight to shadow sides of our personas.
I skimmed it but I think a rx Mercury (things go missing, etc during these periods in tr), Jupiter (impulsive )or Neptune (surreal) are possibilities. Maybe even Uranus (erroneous), in a case of eratic behavior. Like the klepto that didn't realise they were doing it. In that link the retrog is cited as an unconscious energy.
Before searching it, I didn't guess any actual aspects, only signs. An inflicted Libra (scales of justice) I think could behave backwards and possibly unknowingly with thieve tendencies, also it is the 7th house and air. In tarot the 7 of swords is the thief. I think looking at houses 7, 12 and possibly 2. Some tv shows I used to see with the klepto, they wouldn't necessarily throw away or return the items. They would keep the items in a special compartment. The disorder seems to reflect the afflicted person as being unconscious of doing what they really DO wish to do. Like an impulsive nature they on the surface are fighting. Just my take on the potentials of how it might show in the natal.
It’s just some guess work for me
quote:Originally posted by mirage29:Aren't there some Celebrities who have that problem?Why don't you do some searching on the internet, find articles (or youtubes) about the kleptomania, then check to see if there's a chart published on those celebs that are mentioned?
Good idea, but too much work for me right now, lol.
quote:Originally posted by anonymidarkness: I got pickpocketed for the first time ffs, I was kinda high at the time and ***** took full advantage ffs
that sucks!! where did it happen, like city/town/country wise? just curious.
quote:Originally posted by MoonMystic: http://www.astropoetics.com/2010/11/astrological-shadow2.html This ^ site gives some insight to shadow sides of our personas. I skimmed it but I think a rx Mercury (things go missing, etc during these periods in tr), Jupiter (impulsive )or Neptune (surreal) are possibilities. Maybe even Uranus (erroneous), in a case of eratic behavior. Like the klepto that didn't realise they were doing it. In that link the retrog is cited as an [b]unconscious energy. Before searching it, I didn't guess any actual aspects, only signs. An inflicted Libra (scales of justice) I think could behave backwards and possibly unknowingly with thieve tendencies, also it is the 7th house and air. In tarot the 7 of swords is the thief. I think looking at houses 7, 12 and possibly 2. Some tv shows I used to see with the klepto, they wouldn't necessarily throw away or return the items. They would keep the items in a special compartment. The disorder seems to reflect the afflicted person as being unconscious of doing what they really DO wish to do. Like an impulsive nature they on the surface are fighting. Just my take on the potentials of how it might show in the natal.[/B]
I skimmed it but I think a rx Mercury (things go missing, etc during these periods in tr), Jupiter (impulsive )or Neptune (surreal) are possibilities. Maybe even Uranus (erroneous), in a case of eratic behavior. Like the klepto that didn't realise they were doing it. In that link the retrog is cited as an [b]unconscious energy.
Before searching it, I didn't guess any actual aspects, only signs. An inflicted Libra (scales of justice) I think could behave backwards and possibly unknowingly with thieve tendencies, also it is the 7th house and air. In tarot the 7 of swords is the thief. I think looking at houses 7, 12 and possibly 2. Some tv shows I used to see with the klepto, they wouldn't necessarily throw away or return the items. They would keep the items in a special compartment. The disorder seems to reflect the afflicted person as being unconscious of doing what they really DO wish to do. Like an impulsive nature they on the surface are fighting. Just my take on the potentials of how it might show in the natal.[/B]
Thanks for that link! good info.And yes, I agree about the inflicted libra energy, i could see that very much. and definitely has to be a serious form of disconnect somewhere.
quote:Originally posted by Bearee:People who can’t help but to steal, without really knowing why, have an ill functioning cerebral cortex. So when that part of the brain doesn’t function well, you would see this kind of behavior. You can see that in very old people (decreasing function of the cerebral cortex) as well as adolescents (cerebral cortex still developing).So what do these two groups of people have in common, astrologically wise? It’s behavior that’s not in line with their true self, they’re victims of temporary influences . So I think you would have to look at the ascendant having troubles.It’s basically the brains having power over the body (and subconscious).Astrologically wise I would thinkkkk the culprit are transits. Maybe... hard aspects of Saturn to the ascendant? Because Saturn is about control and discipline and the ascendant is how you kinda behave right? Like your outer layer. So the harsh aspect of Saturn on your ascendant would result in behavior that’s not in line with your true self. Just your body reacting to something else going on, without you knowing it.Orrrr Jupiter? Out of control behaviour? Jupiter harsh aspects to the ascendant.It’s just some guess work for me
hmmm, interesting....i always imagined hard saturn aspects going the other way....like too much control. but i guess it could be too much boundary, to the point of compartimentizing so much to create a disconnect in ones behaivor.
I know a person who is a master, but never did that on a store as an adult but she did when being a child. She robbed from stores some candies and hair ornaments, gumd for ponytails and all that. When an adult, she robbed from her moms or sibligs cigarrettes or some money. She once stole 10 euros whe she found it at job inside a bag she had to use to start to work with the cash machine and was surrounded by cameras but didn't be catched.The other coworker forgot that money and this woman kept for themself.
She's Sagittarius with Gemini in the cusp of her 4th, Libra in 8th with Pluto conjunct Saturn (as is the house of other people's resources). Second house Aries with Mars in 12th. She was born a day before me, so many similar placements. I had temptations, but always afraid of being catched or get so karma back. I have never being a klepto in my life.
quote:Originally posted by Mariamne Mara:They use hands in a very secretive ways... Second house Aries with Mars in 12th. She was born a day before me, so many similar placements. I had temptations, but always afraid of being catched or get so karma back. I have never being a klepto in my life.
Mars in the 12th makes a lot of sense to me. Hidden actions.
And yes, there has to be an element of boldness and a lack of fear of getting caught.
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