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T O P I C R E V I E WMoonMystic What aspects and placements do you think would denote censorship in chart(s)?I'm thinking Saturn (restriction) and Mercury (communication) maybe in Earth energies. Can anyone share their thoughts on the dynamics that might give energy to the restrictions in communication? I look fwd to your thoughts, Thank you.Pls don't quote below here .. Personal reason to ask this, It is my curiosity, mostly because I wish to write novels but as we've become a world more tolerant(?) of censorship, I'm very hesitant to write much, even after I was enthused. I can remember when I was a much younger lady I read Harlequin romances. In those days, in America, the author was forbidden to write characters (iir it was) Middle Eastern descent. Oddly in those days it was a quiet restriction. The writer's knew, the readers didn't (usually) know this. Politics was at play and writers of all genres have had to be very cautious in what they chose to write.hypatia238George Soros loooooves censorship, we should check out his chart...He has mercury in Virgo trine saturn in Capricorn so both mercury and saturn are at home....The trine is wide though, 7 degrees...No birth time so no house rulerships or house placements but I wonder if his Mercury and Saturn are parallel...He does not have mercury parallel saturn....This is what sticks out....He has Mars in Gemini parallel exact Jupiter and Saturn contraparallels his Mars and Jupiter. That can play out as a very strong desire to take action in controlling information because information is power and he wants all the power...Mars in gemini Declination 22°52Jupiter in Cancer Declination 22°55Saturn in Capricorn Declination 22°42hypatia238Actually he has Mercury trine Chiron and Mercury trine Saturn, Mercury trine chiron has a 6 degree orb...Highly sensitive to information (chiron) and copes by controlling it (saturn trines mercury too).teaselTrump tries to censor everyone he hates. If you're going to bring politics into it, better to bring both sides. *edit. He's attacking Joe Scarborough, currently, and twitter itself. http://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1265789882003337216 ~ You could look at the charts of those who were censored, and if you have them, the charts of countries, or the leadership at the time.teaselSalman Rushdie's birth date:June 19, 1947, Bombay, India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie teasel http://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/articles/the-10-most-famous-banned-writers-of-all-time/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments http://www.amightygirl.com/blog?p=7425 http://ew.com/books/2019/08/19/lgbtq-middle-grade-censorship/ http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/classics hypatia238Twitter loves to censor, Facebook loves to censor, and youtube loves to censor, looking at the charts of the people who run all these platforms may help in getting more info on patterns of people who are for censorship.George Soros outright said the other day that he wants facebook to engage in more censorship.Mark Zuckerberg's chart would be a good one to check out. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Zuckerberg,_Mark Mars rules his MERCURY, he has:Mars conjunct MOON and SATURN!I feel he is a good example, his mercury ruler conjuncts saturn in scorpio, controlling information is about power. Information is power.MoonMystic quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:George Soros loooooves censorship, we should check out his chart...He has mercury in Virgo trine saturn in Capricorn so both mercury and saturn are at home....The trine is wide though, 7 degrees...No birth time so no house rulerships or house placements but I wonder if his Mercury and Saturn are parallel...He does not have mercury parallel saturn....This is what sticks out....He has Mars in Gemini parallel exact Jupiter and Saturn contraparallels his Mars and Jupiter. That can play out as a very strong desire to take action in controlling information because information is power and he wants all the power...Mars in gemini Declination 22°52Jupiter in Cancer Declination 22°55Saturn in Capricorn Declination 22°42Hypatia, That's a pretty good idea there. Even with Jupiter, on his more negative side and the expansive he brings to bloat those qualities. Do you think Ted Turner might have that desire too. He owned (idk if he does now) news and cable channels. My curiosity was more on the aspects on a large level. Like how a civilization is under certain order to keep to particular naratives.I am very weary of writing and without going political, I'm thinking romance might be the simplest of genres in these times. Tbh in the era we are in, social distancing, romance novels might be the new Fantasy genre. Maybe we will see huge changes coming in our entertainment and educational sectors. MoonMystic quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:Actually he has Mercury trine Chiron and Mercury trine Saturn, Mercury trine chiron has a 6 degree orb...Highly sensitive to information (chiron) and copes by controlling it (saturn trines mercury too). The Mercury trine Saturn does seem to me the flavor of speech suppression. MoonMystic quote:Originally posted by teasel:Salman Rushdie's birth date:June 19, 1947, Bombay, India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie lol, Teasel, you are inner linked with me! When I sat writing the OP I thought of that very author. I remember hearing about him often when I was a child. Never read him but am aware of his work. MoonMystic Thank you Hypatia and Teasel. I think looking at current transits in general are perfect for reflecting this, the Chaos asteroid is cnj Mercury, words are used wrong, arguments and worse in person and online. (covers commerce too).Pluto opposition the Moon. I think emotionally the energies can get exaggerated when OOB also, right now in declinations we haveMercury 25°39'36" NAsteroid Chaos 30°21'22" NAlso Venus 25° 7'17" N And the nodes too... maybe I'll also download charts to authors who were once censored with event date transits. That might show me what to look out for. Kannon McAfeeFrom The Rulership Book by Rex Bills, page 23 ... quote:censors, censure Jupiter, SaturnWe wouldn't associate Jupiter with censorship normally, but with its opposite: free speech or saying too much. However, remember the motivation with Jupiter, besides expansion, is protection. Many do-gooders think of themselves as protectors.Saturn is obvious, authoritarian, probably needs no explanation. However, Pluto is also a factor as its more egoist expressions (hard aspects with Sun, Mars, etc) can push one to total intolerance of opposition, thus driving a desire to shut others up.MoonMystic,I think you should just write and not let such considerations hold you back. If you let such things hold you back you're essentially saying you don't believe in your creativity or the worthiness of your ideas. Do it with the expectation of your work being well received by someone, some audience. Things are different today. With electronic publishing and direct-to-reader formats for online publishing, we do not live in an age of censorship. Things have changed.------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectificationThe birth chart is a starting place not a pre-determiner of fate. teaselSorry for just dumping those links on you, MM. I was busy doing something else, and just sat down for a few minutes. hypatia238Very fitting if this gets passed today while mercury is in Gemini at 29 degrees conjunct Northnode teaselI'll also add that I have Saturn square Mercury, Jupiter, and Pluto, and I'm not in favour of suppression. I do argue for what I believe in.
Pls don't quote below here .. Personal reason to ask this, It is my curiosity, mostly because I wish to write novels but as we've become a world more tolerant(?) of censorship, I'm very hesitant to write much, even after I was enthused. I can remember when I was a much younger lady I read Harlequin romances. In those days, in America, the author was forbidden to write characters (iir it was) Middle Eastern descent. Oddly in those days it was a quiet restriction. The writer's knew, the readers didn't (usually) know this. Politics was at play and writers of all genres have had to be very cautious in what they chose to write.
He has mercury in Virgo trine saturn in Capricorn so both mercury and saturn are at home....
The trine is wide though, 7 degrees...
No birth time so no house rulerships or house placements but I wonder if his Mercury and Saturn are parallel...
He does not have mercury parallel saturn....
This is what sticks out....
He has Mars in Gemini parallel exact Jupiter and Saturn contraparallels his Mars and Jupiter. That can play out as a very strong desire to take action in controlling information because information is power and he wants all the power...
Mars in gemini Declination 22°52Jupiter in Cancer Declination 22°55Saturn in Capricorn Declination 22°42
You could look at the charts of those who were censored, and if you have them, the charts of countries, or the leadership at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments
http://www.amightygirl.com/blog?p=7425
http://ew.com/books/2019/08/19/lgbtq-middle-grade-censorship/
http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/classics
George Soros outright said the other day that he wants facebook to engage in more censorship.
Mark Zuckerberg's chart would be a good one to check out. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Zuckerberg,_Mark
Mars rules his MERCURY, he has:
Mars conjunct MOON and SATURN!
I feel he is a good example, his mercury ruler conjuncts saturn in scorpio, controlling information is about power. Information is power.
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:George Soros loooooves censorship, we should check out his chart...He has mercury in Virgo trine saturn in Capricorn so both mercury and saturn are at home....The trine is wide though, 7 degrees...No birth time so no house rulerships or house placements but I wonder if his Mercury and Saturn are parallel...He does not have mercury parallel saturn....This is what sticks out....He has Mars in Gemini parallel exact Jupiter and Saturn contraparallels his Mars and Jupiter. That can play out as a very strong desire to take action in controlling information because information is power and he wants all the power...Mars in gemini Declination 22°52Jupiter in Cancer Declination 22°55Saturn in Capricorn Declination 22°42
Hypatia, That's a pretty good idea there. Even with Jupiter, on his more negative side and the expansive he brings to bloat those qualities. Do you think Ted Turner might have that desire too. He owned (idk if he does now) news and cable channels. My curiosity was more on the aspects on a large level. Like how a civilization is under certain order to keep to particular naratives.I am very weary of writing and without going political, I'm thinking romance might be the simplest of genres in these times. Tbh in the era we are in, social distancing, romance novels might be the new Fantasy genre. Maybe we will see huge changes coming in our entertainment and educational sectors.
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:Actually he has Mercury trine Chiron and Mercury trine Saturn, Mercury trine chiron has a 6 degree orb...Highly sensitive to information (chiron) and copes by controlling it (saturn trines mercury too).
The Mercury trine Saturn does seem to me the flavor of speech suppression.
quote:Originally posted by teasel:Salman Rushdie's birth date:June 19, 1947, Bombay, India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie
lol, Teasel, you are inner linked with me! When I sat writing the OP I thought of that very author. I remember hearing about him often when I was a child. Never read him but am aware of his work.
I think emotionally the energies can get exaggerated when OOB also, right now in declinations we haveMercury 25°39'36" NAsteroid Chaos 30°21'22" NAlso Venus 25° 7'17" N And the nodes too.
.. maybe I'll also download charts to authors who were once censored with event date transits. That might show me what to look out for.
quote:censors, censure Jupiter, Saturn
We wouldn't associate Jupiter with censorship normally, but with its opposite: free speech or saying too much. However, remember the motivation with Jupiter, besides expansion, is protection. Many do-gooders think of themselves as protectors.
Saturn is obvious, authoritarian, probably needs no explanation.
However, Pluto is also a factor as its more egoist expressions (hard aspects with Sun, Mars, etc) can push one to total intolerance of opposition, thus driving a desire to shut others up.
MoonMystic,
I think you should just write and not let such considerations hold you back. If you let such things hold you back you're essentially saying you don't believe in your creativity or the worthiness of your ideas. Do it with the expectation of your work being well received by someone, some audience. Things are different today. With electronic publishing and direct-to-reader formats for online publishing, we do not live in an age of censorship. Things have changed.
------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectification
The birth chart is a starting place not a pre-determiner of fate.
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