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T O P I C R E V I E WEclipseWould aspects involving Mars and Lilith be prominent on a feminist chart? A woman who is angry just because being a man is better, more favored. I would also like to know what aspects would indicate a person who has problems relating to the opposite sex, someone who does not like physical contacts with the opposite sex and has difficulty talking / interacting with the opposite sex.DecimaLifeThe first think that came to my mind is Mars-Uranus , Sun-Uranus contacts and aquarius placementsEclipse quote:Originally posted by DecimaLife:The first think that came to my mind is Mars-Uranus , Sun-Uranus contacts and aquarius placementsThank you very much 🙏❤nomad-monadSome well-known feminist charts below. Out of these it is probably Solanas that fit your question the best.Valerie Solanas: Simone de Beauvoir: Emmeline Pankhurst: Betty Friedan: teaselAre you talking about a specific man being better? Or do you think that all of them are? I'm a feminist. I have a lot of Uranus in my chart, an Aries Sun, Moon conjunct Venus, Mars in Pisces, Scorpio ascendant. Not a man-hater (there's a difference between the two), and I couldn't give two figs if someone is better at something than I am. teaselGloria Steinam: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Steinem,_Gloria Angela Davis: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Davis,_Angela Ugh, I'm not fond of their description over there. Kannon McAfeeI'm a feminist. I think there's an assumption here that only women are feminists and that the basis of it is anger. Those are far-reaching and very wrong assumptions.Feminism is by nature Venusian, as it is belief in the qualities women naturally offer. The Rulership Book by Rex Bills lists Uranus as the first planet associated with it, with Venus second. (I have Uranus in the 1st house of my birth chart; Venus in Taurus with Sun, Saturn, Mercury -- and I am happily married.)------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectificationThe birth chart is a starting place not a pre-determiner of fate. teasel quote:Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:I'm a feminist. I think there's an assumption here that only women are feminists and that the basis of it is anger. Those are far-reaching and very wrong assumptions.Feminism is by nature Venusian, as it is belief in the qualities women naturally offer. The Rulership Book by Rex Bills lists Uranus as the first planet associated with it, with Venus second. (I have Uranus in the 1st house of my birth chart; Venus in Taurus with Sun, Saturn, Mercury -- and I am happily married.) nomad-monad quote:Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:I'm a feminist. I think there's an assumption here that only women are feminists and that the basis of it is anger. Those are far-reaching and very wrong assumptions.Feminism is by nature Venusian, as it is belief in the qualities women naturally offer. The Rulership Book by Rex Bills lists Uranus as the first planet associated with it, with Venus second. (I have Uranus in the 1st house of my birth chart; Venus in Taurus with Sun, Saturn, Mercury -- and I am happily married.)From what I understood the question was more about what we could call militant feminism, perhaps best charicatured in Solanas (however I should say I have only skimmed the surface of her wrtings and never considered them deeply).The feminine/masuline polarity is a polarity of receptivity/activity, as far as I understand (which by all means may not be very far according to some). This polarity is naturally inherent in all people, but gender-normativity have kind of distorted both the core meaning of receptive/active as indedendent of biology, as well as its proportional distribution.Very often, and I am not saying all the time nor that this is feminism, but very often those who proclaim themselves as feminists and who dislike 'male culture' are doing nothing else but projecting their own negative expression of masculinity (hostility toward what is not understood, war-like mentality).I see a similar pattern in some Queer groups (some, not all) - despite the fact that this orientation is based on normative transgression rooted in equal value, I often find that especially Queer groups can be some of the most fascist and discriminating - completely in contradiction to the root.Often, both feminism and queer become a group-belonging onto which individuals clutch for security and belonging rather than mature psychologically (i.e. bridge and balance their internal masculine/feminine polarity), and within this group the same problematic is cultvated that these concepts originally came to chalenge: mainly the xenopobia against all who are not the group itself - the internal balancing is avoided and instead blamed on the outside.In my opinion someone who understood the feminine properly and operated from this angle, would say something in the likes of "the problem is that both the patriarch as well as those who want to destroy him have forgotten that he is not only pariarch, but also our father, our brother, and our son - we have all forgotten his inherent humanity, and by reducing him to a patriarch, we are all reducing ourselves simultaneously".So one the one hand I agree, Uranus as the higher octave of Mercury in the positive expression, because it has a much more holistic angle on the data-sets and it is quick to destroy the incomplete sets constructed by Mercury so that Mercury can try again to reach Uranus, which it must do through a relatively syncronized maturation with the other inner planets.But in the negative expression? I think this is what the OP referred to. EclipseSorry if I didn't express myself correctly. I'm not a native english speaker. But I was speaking about men in general. I was referring there are some women who hate men because some abuse their power, others make us feel inferior, things like that... I really don't know how to express myself, sorry. And I thank you for the charts posted, I will look at them more calmly after.MoonMystic Although I've often given my power to the opposite gender more than felt natural, The older version of myself is less conventional a 'true feminist' but I do think I am moreso than not. yes, it is Venus&Uranus as Kannon said. My 2 most powerful planets are Venus (h2) and Uranus (h10 on MC) opposition Mars. hearttreasure quote:Originally posted by Eclipse:A woman who is angry just because being a man is better, more favored..Reminds me Taylor Swift' song, "The Man".teasel quote:Originally posted by Eclipse:Sorry if I didn't express myself correctly. I'm not a native english speaker. But I was speaking about men in general. I was referring there are some women who hate men because some abuse their power, others make us feel inferior, things like that... I really don't know how to express myself, sorry. And I thank you for the charts posted, I will look at them more calmly after.No need to apologize. That’s why I asked.
quote:Originally posted by DecimaLife:The first think that came to my mind is Mars-Uranus , Sun-Uranus contacts and aquarius placements
Thank you very much 🙏❤
Valerie Solanas:
Simone de Beauvoir:
Emmeline Pankhurst:
Betty Friedan:
I'm a feminist. I have a lot of Uranus in my chart, an Aries Sun, Moon conjunct Venus, Mars in Pisces, Scorpio ascendant. Not a man-hater (there's a difference between the two), and I couldn't give two figs if someone is better at something than I am.
Angela Davis: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Davis,_Angela Ugh, I'm not fond of their description over there.
Feminism is by nature Venusian, as it is belief in the qualities women naturally offer. The Rulership Book by Rex Bills lists Uranus as the first planet associated with it, with Venus second. (I have Uranus in the 1st house of my birth chart; Venus in Taurus with Sun, Saturn, Mercury -- and I am happily married.)
------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectification
The birth chart is a starting place not a pre-determiner of fate.
quote:Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:I'm a feminist. I think there's an assumption here that only women are feminists and that the basis of it is anger. Those are far-reaching and very wrong assumptions.Feminism is by nature Venusian, as it is belief in the qualities women naturally offer. The Rulership Book by Rex Bills lists Uranus as the first planet associated with it, with Venus second. (I have Uranus in the 1st house of my birth chart; Venus in Taurus with Sun, Saturn, Mercury -- and I am happily married.)
From what I understood the question was more about what we could call militant feminism, perhaps best charicatured in Solanas (however I should say I have only skimmed the surface of her wrtings and never considered them deeply).
The feminine/masuline polarity is a polarity of receptivity/activity, as far as I understand (which by all means may not be very far according to some). This polarity is naturally inherent in all people, but gender-normativity have kind of distorted both the core meaning of receptive/active as indedendent of biology, as well as its proportional distribution.
Very often, and I am not saying all the time nor that this is feminism, but very often those who proclaim themselves as feminists and who dislike 'male culture' are doing nothing else but projecting their own negative expression of masculinity (hostility toward what is not understood, war-like mentality).
I see a similar pattern in some Queer groups (some, not all) - despite the fact that this orientation is based on normative transgression rooted in equal value, I often find that especially Queer groups can be some of the most fascist and discriminating - completely in contradiction to the root.
Often, both feminism and queer become a group-belonging onto which individuals clutch for security and belonging rather than mature psychologically (i.e. bridge and balance their internal masculine/feminine polarity), and within this group the same problematic is cultvated that these concepts originally came to chalenge: mainly the xenopobia against all who are not the group itself - the internal balancing is avoided and instead blamed on the outside.
In my opinion someone who understood the feminine properly and operated from this angle, would say something in the likes of "the problem is that both the patriarch as well as those who want to destroy him have forgotten that he is not only pariarch, but also our father, our brother, and our son - we have all forgotten his inherent humanity, and by reducing him to a patriarch, we are all reducing ourselves simultaneously".
So one the one hand I agree, Uranus as the higher octave of Mercury in the positive expression, because it has a much more holistic angle on the data-sets and it is quick to destroy the incomplete sets constructed by Mercury so that Mercury can try again to reach Uranus, which it must do through a relatively syncronized maturation with the other inner planets.
But in the negative expression? I think this is what the OP referred to.
My 2 most powerful planets are Venus (h2) and Uranus (h10 on MC) opposition Mars.
quote:Originally posted by Eclipse:A woman who is angry just because being a man is better, more favored..
Reminds me Taylor Swift' song, "The Man".
quote:Originally posted by Eclipse:Sorry if I didn't express myself correctly. I'm not a native english speaker. But I was speaking about men in general. I was referring there are some women who hate men because some abuse their power, others make us feel inferior, things like that... I really don't know how to express myself, sorry. And I thank you for the charts posted, I will look at them more calmly after.
No need to apologize. That’s why I asked.
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